What is scientology? 48 hours

[Bojangles69]

oh that was the best interview ever...i'ma find it... tom cruise got owned on a calm / cool discussion

indeed he did. i use to like tom cruise back in the top gun days, but i think that jetlag mighta damaged his brain..

[Bojangles69]

im sorry you feel that way

if he is happy with his life theres no reason to feel sorry for him imo

[l2elapse]

how come so many hollywood stars are into Scientology?

[zimmy]

easy...it's a religion where you literally have to buy yourself up the levels of "enlightment"... that's right... you have to BUY. I think it's something like a million dollars to be at 2nd tier.

[l2elapse]

easy...it's a religion where you literally have to buy yourself up the levels of "enlightment"... that's right... you have to BUY. I think it's something like a million dollars to be at 2nd tier.

dang you serious?

[Bojangles69]

yeh whats the deal with that bottled water they buy thats like 6 bucks a bottle and is supposively blessed, i think madonna does it and a few other people.

not holy water

[Psychotron]

if he is happy with his life theres no reason to feel sorry for him imo

exactly

[italianplayboy09]

exactly

why do you think all religions are brain washers?

[Psychotron]

why do you think all religions are brain washers?

One tells you violence is okay.
One tells you youre the chosen people.
One tells you youre damned from the begining.

If you ask me the ancient egyptians had the coolest religion.

[RuhlFreak55]

more so i think everyone should just keep an eye out on this religion. i just got a weird feeling about scientology. they're far to gunho human rights, like they're not just focused on being saved, they want to change this world to suit them better... creepy imo

i think L Ron Hubbard prob knew his religion was a crock.

hmmmm kinda similar to people making up a bunch of shit about jesus and putting it in a book called the bible don't u think???

[RuhlFreak55]

One tells you violence is okay.
One tells you youre the chosen people.
One tells you youre damned from the begining.

If you ask me the ancient egyptians had the coolest religion.

EXACTLY!!!!!.......they're all made up stories to make people feel better about their puny lives and also control the masses......control by means of mass belief sounds like brainwashing if anything does........i agree with u too taht the egyption religion was awesome!.....also the norse/ nordic religion

[RuhlFreak55]

indeed he did. i use to like tom cruise back in the top gun days, but i think that jetlag mighta damaged his brain..

Tom is a badass.......**** the people that don't like me.....i'm gonna be myself....that's what he's saying and it's the right thing to do always.....and he's more than a shred right about phychology.

[RuhlFreak55]

They may be a little wack in their beliefs, but at least they aren't strapping themselves with bombs and blowing people up in the name of their church. Maybe "moderate" isn't the best term to describe the Scientologists, but until they start killing people on a regular basis, I would not call them extreme either.

yea.......and what u don't know is the vatican regularly hires hits on people......not even jokin......people are so blind to their reality it's not even funny....none of these institutions should be respected in the least

[RuhlFreak55]

easy...it's a religion where you literally have to buy yourself up the levels of "enlightment"... that's right... you have to BUY. I think it's something like a million dollars to be at 2nd tier.

ur actually going to try to claim taht the only thing they have to do is throw money at it???? that's absurd......don't believe what u hear on the radio or on the TV......especially about scientology

[RuhlFreak55]

there now someone try and refute me please instead of the highly immature thing of ignoring me done on the first page....

[Psychotron]

Want to discuss how God according to Jewish and Christian faith can't be pure good?

[Tock]

how come so many hollywood stars are into Scientology?

There are lots and lots of "stars" in Hollywood. Thousands, if not tens of thousands. I'm aware of maybe 5 or 6. Not so many in the grand scheme of things.
I guess it's like a golf ball on a black carpet . . . it really stands out . . .

[RuhlFreak55]

Want to discuss how God according to Jewish and Christian faith can't be pure good?

oh yes.....i love it when people know the bad things they've done

[Bojangles69]

We'll all end up in a pile of dirt at some point.
What happens after that is determined by no living mortal.

And yes Ruhl Freak made a good point about not believing everything you see on tv. He just left out the dont "believe everything you hear about religion in a steroid based forum" part.

[notorious_mem]

the most important thing that you better beleive is that jesus christ died for your sins and thats why we even have hope and salvation in this crazy world.the rest of it popes,presidents,religion the entire world is filled with sin so you better know how to ask for forgiveness.not how to rid yourself of tiny aliens to purify yourself.

[italianplayboy09]

there now someone try and refute me please instead of the highly immature thing of ignoring me done on the first page....

so you believe in the evolution theory?

[Psychotron]

ugh... lol what is there not to believe. Evolution is not a theory of existence, it is a theory of how aspecies came to be from a former species, not the origination of an organism.

[Hunter]

Well its not my job to try to make anyone believe anything but people talk as if christians or muslims do all the killing. Lenin and stalin to of the most evil men ever were athesists. OMG that must mean being an athesists is evil, exactly it doesn't mean jack sh#t people do things on there own accord. I am catholic and believe in christ if you an athiest and believe in evolution thats fine but stop saying religion is evil. People are evil, you can take anything and twist it around for example the subject of aas, but it doesn't make aas evil cause a few people twisted same with religion.

[Doc.Sust]

anyone see the south park about scientology,? it sums it up very well

[italianplayboy09]

Well its not my job to try to make anyone believe anything but people talk as if christians or muslims do all the killing. Lenin and stalin to of the most evil men ever were athesists. OMG that must mean being an athesists is evil, exactly it doesn't mean jack sh#t people do things on there own accord. I am catholic and believe in christ if you an athiest and believe in evolution thats fine but stop saying religion is evil. People are evil, you can take anything and twist it around for example the subject of aas, but it doesn't make aas evil cause a few people twisted same with religion.

great point

[C_Bino]

EXACTLY!!!!!.......they're all made up stories to make people feel better about their puny lives and also control the masses......control by means of mass belief sounds like brainwashing if anything does

I agree, there are just far too many problems with the stories religions have. Parting the sea and what not, its just completely ludicrous. And whenever you have a debate with someone who is faithful to their religion they can never support or give reasons why these claims and stories make sense. They just say the same thing to me everytime "god doesnt have to PROVE anything, you just have to believe/have faith."

Its just very outdated imo. And I mean how come all of these magical things happened only in the times where stories and folklore were most abundant. And times when technology was non-existent, why now when we can document things via cameras etc etc has there NEVER been any of these religious miracles?

[Kärnfysikern]

so you believe in the evolution theory?

whats not to belive about it? Seriously, are millions of highly intelligent biologists and paleontologist all blind and fooled.

[Hunter]

whats not to belive about it? Seriously, are millions of highly intelligent biologists and paleontologist all blind and fooled.

I believe in the theory of evolution but you do know is a theory? As in it could be wrong or right which is why its a theory.

[scriptfactory]

I believe in the theory of evolution but you do know is a theory? As in it could be wrong or right which is why its a theory.

It's actually a theory because it can't be proven.

[Psychotron]

Nothing in the world can be proven, you could be dreaming right now.

[biglouie250]

scientology = when you have nothing better to do with your money and are bored with life you join this psuedo religious cult.

[Kärnfysikern]

I believe in the theory of evolution but you do know is a theory? As in it could be wrong or right which is why its a theory.

Missconception regarding the use of the word "theory" in science.

Everything in science is theories. Everything from the "laws" of gravity to chemistry to the metabolism in your cells.

They are theories becuase as script said they can not be proven to be right. You can put a theory to a billion tests, and even if it passes every test you have not proven the theory. Because there is nothing excluding the possibility that the next test wont fail it.

If I drop a rock 1 000 000 000 times I verify theory of gravity, but there is nothing excluding the possibility that the 1 000 000 001 time I drop the rock it will fly into space instead of falling to the ground. We just choose to accept that if something has happened a billion times it is likely it will happen every time.

This is how all of science works, we check what the theory predicts and we se if that is true in the real world. If it is true we move on and test it in another way.

So saying evolution might be wrong because it is a theory is the same as saying that quantum mechanics might be wrong because it is just a theory. But all the semi conductors in my computer verify quantum mechanics everytime I turn on my computer, and evolution is verified everytime I wake up in the morning.

[Bojangles69]

Missconception regarding the use of the word "theory" in science.

Everything in science is theories. Everything from the "laws" of gravity to chemistry to the metabolism in your cells.

They are theories becuase as script said they can not be proven to be right. You can put a theory to a billion tests, and even if it passes every test you have not proven the theory. Because there is nothing excluding the possibility that the next test wont fail it.

If I drop a rock 1 000 000 000 times I verify theory of gravity, but there is nothing excluding the possibility that the 1 000 000 001 time I drop the rock it will fly into space instead of falling to the ground. We just choose to accept that if something has happened a billion times it is likely it will happen every time.

This is how all of science works, we check what the theory predicts and we se if that is true in the real world. If it is true we move on and test it in another way.

So saying evolution might be wrong because it is a theory is the same as saying that quantum mechanics might be wrong because it is just a theory. But all the semi conductors in my computer verify quantum mechanics everytime I turn on my computer, and evolution is verified everytime I wake up in the morning.

No absolutely not. Science does NOT = theory. Science is:

a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

Pay attention to TRUTH and FACTS.
Psychology is as much a science as it uses experimentation (one aspect of science) to test theories. It is however not an absolute science at all. Either is evolutionary psych or phisophy.
Science does not become science untill theories can be proven.
ie: H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) + NaNO3 (sodium nitrate) ALWAYS = Nitric Acid + Sodium Sulfate. That is ABSOLUTE SCIENCE.

[Phreak101]

Want to discuss how God according to Jewish and Christian faith can't be pure good?

Sure, give it your best shot, I'll refute it.

[Kärnfysikern]

No absolutely not. Science does NOT = theory. Science is:

a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

Pay attention to TRUTH and FACTS.
Psychology is as much a science as it uses experimentation (one aspect of science) to test theories. It is however not an absolute science at all. Either is evolutionary psych or phisophy.
Science does not become science untill theories can be proven.
ie: H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) + NaNO3 (sodium nitrate) ALWAYS = Nitric Acid + Sodium Sulfate. That is ABSOLUTE SCIENCE.

Im afriad you didnt understand my post or missed the point of it.

In science when something is a "theory" it is accepted. Untill it becomes accepted it is a hypothesis. Theory is not used in the avarage joe way.

Einstein put forward the hypothesis that all natural laws are the same in all intertial systems and the speed of light is the same in all systems. When this was verified we had the special theory of relativity. But it is still a theory.

Newton put forward the hypothesis that gravity decreases with the square of the distance, when it got verified we have the theory of gravity.

deBroglie put forward the hypothesis that particles behave as waves with a wavelengt equal to h-bar/momentum. When it get verified we got a theory of the wave particle duality of nature.

And so on. Science starts with one or a few hypothesis that creates the frame of a theory. But it doesnt get accepted as a theory untill the hypothesis has been proven to be true under testable circumstances.

A theory can NEVER be proven, it is impossible. You can never logicaly exclude the possibility of a theory beeing falsified. Because the foundation of a scientific theory is that it is falsifiable(i.e testable). You can never know in advance if a new experiment will show a theory wrong.

You can do the above reaction a billion times. But you can NOT exclude the possibility that the reaction will proceed in the same manner the next time you do it. That is why a theory can not be proven to be true.

The most we can say about a theory is that it is valid under all the circumstances we have tested it. Claiming anything else is guesswork and not science.

Then I havent even talked about the fact that a hypothesis is not provable. It is something we assume to be true in order to have anything to even make a theory out of.

[Kärnfysikern]

Not even maths are without its unprovable postulates.

[Phreak101]

No absolutely not. Science does NOT = theory. Science is:

a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

Pay attention to TRUTH and FACTS.
Psychology is as much a science as it uses experimentation (one aspect of science) to test theories. It is however not an absolute science at all. Either is evolutionary psych or phisophy.
Science does not become science untill theories can be proven.
ie: H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) + NaNO3 (sodium nitrate) ALWAYS = Nitric Acid + Sodium Sulfate. That is ABSOLUTE SCIENCE.

I would imagine it is only as absolute relative to what we know about these chemicals. For all you know these chemicals, when superheated to many times above Kelvin, could produce different chemicals. No one really knows what would happen if we cannot measure and determine any and ALL situations. That's the problem with relativity and the big bang, hence theory.

I think Johan is correct on this one.

[Kärnfysikern]

ie: H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) + NaNO3 (sodium nitrate) ALWAYS = Nitric Acid + Sodium Sulfate. That is ABSOLUTE SCIENCE.

to show my point. The above bolded part in the quote is a assumption based on previous experiments. It its not a absolute fact, it is something we take for granted since it has happened a billion times before. But you can not logicaly prove it will be correct the next time H2SO4 reacts with NaNO3.

[Kärnfysikern]

I like this quote it sums up the entire evolution beeing a theory quite nicely

The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....
So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.

- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.

[biglouie250]

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ie: H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) + NaNO3 (sodium nitrate) ALWAYS = Nitric Acid + Sodium Sulfate. That is ABSOLUTE SCIENCE.

a prerequisite for every scientific formula is the phrase "at constant pressure and tempature" so if the pressure is too high or low or the temp is too high or low this equation does not happen.