Mods closing threads need to read the rules or adjust them

[max2extreme]

This is a general forum and anything can be discussed. I post a thread and all it says is "Lets talk about religion, anyone have a topic" and it gets closed. Yet, in the "official rules", how about this one?

"there is no posting of pornographic pictures or messages."

How many threads talk about BJs or sex or naked girls? A lot. Id consider those pornographic messages. But none of them get locked. THere are a lot of female posters here and Im sure they really enjoy those...

How about

"we tolerate no excessive or foul language."

How many threads can you find that doesnt have the word F*** or SH** or B**** or BJ or any other foul language? Not many. Yet these are 2 official rules of the board.

Yet, we can't talk about something not in the rules? Are these locked threads a concensus among the Mods or is there like a little group of 2-3 that are anti-religion and thus lock the threads.

Its a shame it seems these new mods feel they need to, and have the power to, put controls on the board that are not against the rules simply because they dont agree.

[Logan13]

This is a general forum and anything can be discussed. I post a thread and all it says is "Lets talk about religion, anyone have a topic" and it gets closed. Yet, in the "official rules", how about this one?

"there is no posting of pornographic pictures or messages."

How many threads talk about BJs or sex or naked girls? A lot. Id consider those pornographic messages. But none of them get locked. THere are a lot of female posters here and Im sure they really enjoy those...

How about

"we tolerate no excessive or foul language."

How many threads can you find that doesnt have the word F*** or SH** or B**** or BJ or any other foul language? Not many. Yet these are 2 official rules of the board.

Yet, we can't talk about something not in the rules? Are these locked threads a concensus among the Mods or is there like a little group of 2-3 that are anti-religion and thus lock the threads.

Its a shame it seems these new mods feel they need to, and have the power to, put controls on the board that are not against the rules simply because they dont agree.

I agree with the idea behind your post, but the religious forum created alot of problems. Even though many of those whackjobs are gone, many new one's have taken their place.

[max2extreme]

THeres so much control, i bet this thread gets closed because I disagree with mods decisions. This control is what leads to religion posts now having races to see if people can get in before the block instead of contributing to a discussion. But I guess talking about banging a chick from the club last night is better conversation... ridiculous.

[max2extreme]

I agree with the idea behind your post, but the religious forum created alot of problems. Even though many of those whackjobs are gone, many new one's have taken their place.

really, there were 3 that created problems. and those problems could have been takin care of with bans. But instead, the mods continued to let these people continue posting, which then in turn led to things getting out of control. Which then again, instead of banning these 3, they closed the religion forum. And now we have this problem of tryin to talk about religion in a general forum, and now the problem grows.

[*Narkissos*]

Oh boy.

*grabs popcorn..sits back..and watches*

[max2extreme]

I just hope a mod actually responds with reason or some kind of actual thought out post instead of the typical:

"locked"

with no explanation.

[*Narkissos*]

Good luck with that 'getting a reason' thing.

Imma just sit back and watch on this one for now


*adds ice to diet coke*

[stuball]

As much as i hate people that censor others, it is a free site so i guess i will abide by the rules..

[needmorestrength]

Dont tell the mods what to do.. You dont like it then go some where else.. The goal is to try n better the board as a WHOLE.. they close what they see fit! Nark im adding some ice N RUM to my coke haha

[Evil Predator]

in before the lock..

[max2extreme]

A lot of good people have gone elsewhere. Its a shame. Its also a shame that bettering the board includes talking about BJ's and banging chicks and we cant even say the word "religion".

[BajanBastard]

Dont tell the mods what to do.. You dont like it then go some where else.. The goal is to try n better the board as a WHOLE.. they close what they see fit! Nark im adding some ice N RUM to my coke haha

The MODs do not make this board, the members do.

[zodiac666]

i agree, the more freedom to post shit the better

[BlInDsIdE]

some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.....

[Hackamaniac]

Good luck with that 'getting a reason' thing.

Imma just sit back and watch on this one for now


*adds ice to diet coke*

[Hackamaniac]

This thread has been reported...

[ecivon]

And I will abide by the rules. But the Lounge Forum says 'open discussion -- any topic'. Yet a post I posted earlier on religion gets locked. My post was in response to a member saying he was leaving to go on a mission and his religion is mocked and derided and those posters implied theirs was a more valid religion and put his down and apparently that was okay. My post just said that they are all the same and all misguided. I didn't and never have used profanilty, or called anyone names, or used derogatory statements about women, etc. etc., yet mine is intolerable, while those that directly derided this members religion, somehow that's acceptable.

Several posters in response to my religion post have all had posts I would consider inflammatory, not in good taste and derisive in one manner or another, especially to women and gays, but that's okay? Seems to me the Mods are a little trigger happy on the religion issue when it is a valid open topic.

[BlInDsIdE]

hey hack- dude i just got some winny, i'm afraid of needles is it ok if i drink it?

[RuhlFreak55]

rofl......how's the diet coke treatin ya nark?..........oh and i do agree that we should be able to argue about religion.....cause i like to.......but i don't see the need to elminiate all of the other things stated in post number 1

[gixxerboy1]

I agree. If the thread gets out of hand then lock it. But just because someone times the word religion we shouldn't go into lock down. A lot of other boards do it and a lot of the time it can stay civil.

[max2extreme]

I agree ruhl. I could care less if people post those things I said in post 1. I have never posted a concern for those. If people want to talk about that stuff, fine. I just wont take part. My point to include those is because those are specifically in the rules not to talk about and most threads are thus breaking the rules. Yet something that is not breaking the rules is getting locked.

[max2extreme]

perhaps this will lead to an explanation or the opening of the religion forum again, perhaps with actual followed thru rules. If you are belligerent, then you get a warning, and you continue, you get banned. its that simple.

[Hackamaniac]

hey hack- dude i just got some winny, i'm afraid of needles is it ok if i drink it?

No,only tren ..

[BlInDsIdE]

No,only tren ..

ooo boy...i'm n trouble

[*Narkissos*]

Since i'm bored..and no other Mod has clicked on the thread (probably cus they have lives).. i'll respond

I find it laughable how a member who's been here from 2004 can comment on the 'new mods' (who have been here, for the majority, prior to 2004..and can attest to what would consitute as the board's social normative values better than the thread originator would) bias...

This is a general forum and anything can be discussed. I post a thread and all it says is "Lets talk about religion, anyone have a topic" and it gets closed. Yet, in the "official rules", how about this one?

Religious threads have been closed for the same reason that the political/religious forums were closed. They cause problems.. Tempers flare quicky. Flaming escalates monumentally..Rules are broken, thread gets locked.. members suspended. Mods have to stop modding to clean up the childishness. This is the general forum..it also a moderated forum. Everything can't be discussed here. If 'everything' could, there would be no locked threads. You're sitting here acting like ONLY religious threads get locked... which is total bullshit.

"there is no posting of pornographic pictures or messages."

How many threads talk about BJs or sex or naked girls? A lot. Id consider those pornographic messages. But none of them get locked. THere are a lot of female posters here and Im sure they really enjoy those...

How is a thread about sex automatically a pornagraphic message?

If the immediate association were so, Sex Ed. class would be a pornagraphic class would it not? ...rather than an educational class as it is currently perceived?

Or maybe you'd suggest that sex and pornagraphy are somehow equivalent?

Anyway.. your personal associative thought aside, even sex threads get locked. I lock the more overbearing ones. I delete the sexually explicit material...and overboard posts. The topic itself is not against the rules. Maybe you should make a better comparison.

How about

"we tolerate no excessive or foul language."

How many threads can you find that doesnt have the word F*** or SH** or B**** or BJ or any other foul language? Not many. Yet these are 2 official rules of the board.

Excessive is the operative term...and offensive characters are warned.

Yet, we can't talk about something not in the rules? Are these locked threads a concensus among the Mods or is there like a little group of 2-3 that are anti-religion and thus lock the threads.

Show me the anti-religious Mods sir.

Its a shame it seems these new mods feel they need to, and have the power to, put controls on the board that are not against the rules simply because they dont agree.

It's a shame you don't see the reported bad posts that weigh the 'new mod's' inboxes

It's a shame that you don't have to respond to every single reported thread respectively.

It's a shame that you have tunnel vision... seeing only the minority of Mod actions..and complaining about those that don't suit your fancy.

It really is a shame.

Mods do their jobs.

That's all there is to it

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

perhaps this will lead to an explanation or the opening of the religion forum again, perhaps with actual followed thru rules. If you are belligerent, then you get a warning, and you continue, you get banned.

lmao.

Your naivety is most amusing.

its that simple.

If it were...the forum would be open.

Fact of the matter is.. The members who get warned and banned from the religious forum always come back under a new address and screen name.

Narkissos

[cfiler]

this thread is funny

[*Narkissos*]

rofl......how's the diet coke treatin ya nark?

Not bad actually

A twist of lime and two drops of angostura bitters.

It's AWESOME!

[Mizfit]

This is a general forum and anything can be discussed. I post a thread and all it says is "Lets talk about religion, anyone have a topic" and it gets closed. Yet, in the "official rules", how about this one?

"there is no posting of pornographic pictures or messages."

How many threads talk about BJs or sex or naked girls? A lot. Id consider those pornographic messages. But none of them get locked. THere are a lot of female posters here and Im sure they really enjoy those...

How about

"we tolerate no excessive or foul language."

How many threads can you find that doesnt have the word F*** or SH** or B**** or BJ or any other foul language? Not many. Yet these are 2 official rules of the board.

Yet, we can't talk about something not in the rules? Are these locked threads a concensus among the Mods or is there like a little group of 2-3 that are anti-religion and thus lock the threads.

Its a shame it seems these new mods feel they need to, and have the power to, put controls on the board that are not against the rules simply because they dont agree.

For the record i found the thread offensive.. not this one the religion one.

The reason why is because threads like that are created to cause conflict.

I say bullshit you didn't know it would be closed before you posted it. Posting a thread about topics you know r senstive - your adding to the issue.

And then you have the gull to make a thread about why it was closed??? NONSENSE.

If you have issues take it up privately with the admin.. Stop clogging the board with nonsense, which is the real reason why people stop posting!!!

What was the point of this particular thread?? U wanted to whine and bitch.... if you really wanted to find a resolution you would PRivately Pm the admin..

[stuball]

Since i'm bored..and no other Mod has clicked on the thread (probably cus they have lives).. i'll respond

I find it laughable how a member who's been here from 2004 can comment on the 'new mods' (who have been here, for the majority, prior to 2004..and can attest to what would consitute as the board's social normative values better than the thread originator would) bias...



Religious threads have been closed for the same reason that the political/religious forums were closed. They cause problems.. Tempers flare quicky. Flaming escalates monumentally..Rules are broken, thread gets locked.. members suspended. Mods have to stop modding to clean up the childishness. This is the general forum..it also a moderated forum. Everything can't be discussed here. If 'everything' could, there would be no locked threads. You're sitting here acting like ONLY religious threads get locked... which is total bullshit.



How is a thread about sex automatically a pornagraphic message?

If the immediate association were so, Sex Ed. class would be a pornagraphic class would it not? ...rather than an educational class as it is currently perceived?

Or maybe you'd suggest that sex and pornagraphy are somehow equivalent?

Anyway.. your personal associative thought aside, even sex threads get locked. I lock the more overbearing ones. I delete the sexually explicit material...and overboard posts. The topic itself is not against the rules. Maybe you should make a better comparison.



Excessive is the operative term...and offensive characters are warned.




Show me the anti-religious Mods sir.



It's a shame you don't see the reported bad posts that weigh the 'new mod's' inboxes

It's a shame that you don't have to respond to every single reported thread respectively.

It's a shame that you have tunnel vision... seeing only the minority of Mod actions..and complaining about those that don't suit your fancy.

It really is a shame.

Mods do their jobs.

That's all there is to it

Narkissos

I guess you finished your popcorn !!!!!

[C_Bino]

Since i'm bored..and no other Mod has clicked on the thread (probably cus they have lives).. i'll respond

I find it laughable how a member who's been here from 2004 can comment on the 'new mods' (who have been here, for the majority, prior to 2004..and can attest to what would consitute as the board's social normative values better than the thread originator would) bias...



Religious threads have been closed for the same reason that the political/religious forums were closed. They cause problems.. Tempers flare quicky. Flaming escalates monumentally..Rules are broken, thread gets locked.. members suspended. Mods have to stop modding to clean up the childishness. This is the general forum..it also a moderated forum. Everything can't be discussed here. If 'everything' could, there would be no locked threads. You're sitting here acting like ONLY religious threads get locked... which is total bullshit.



How is a thread about sex automatically a pornagraphic message?

If the immediate association were so, Sex Ed. class would be a pornagraphic class would it not? ...rather than an educational class as it is currently perceived?

Or maybe you'd suggest that sex and pornagraphy are somehow equivalent?

Anyway.. your personal associative thought aside, even sex threads get locked. I lock the more overbearing ones. I delete the sexually explicit material...and overboard posts. The topic itself is not against the rules. Maybe you should make a better comparison.



Excessive is the operative term...and offensive characters are warned.




Show me the anti-religious Mods sir.



It's a shame you don't see the reported bad posts that weigh the 'new mod's' inboxes

It's a shame that you don't have to respond to every single reported thread respectively.

It's a shame that you have tunnel vision... seeing only the minority of Mod actions..and complaining about those that don't suit your fancy.

It really is a shame.

Mods do their jobs.

That's all there is to it

Narkissos

Ahhhh on the money as always Nark.

For the record I dont think I have ever locked a religious thread. But when we get posts reported we have to act accordingly. If people are finding them offensive we act. We do our best to keep everyone on the board happy and civil even if we ourselves dont necessarily have a problem with the material.

You dont see the reported posts buddy, so until you check your email and have 25 new reported posts a day you should just chill.

[*Narkissos*]

And I will abide by the rules. But the Lounge Forum says 'open discussion -- any topic'. Yet a post I posted earlier on religion gets locked. My post was in response to a member saying he was leaving to go on a mission and his religion is mocked and derided and those posters implied theirs was a more valid religion and put his down and apparently that was okay. My post just said that they are all the same and all misguided. I didn't and never have used profanilty, or called anyone names, or used derogatory statements about women, etc. etc., yet mine is intolerable, while those that directly derided this members religion, somehow that's acceptable.

What is most amusing is that you somehow think your thread titled: "religions are all a crock" would be less inflamatory/instigatory/insulting to the individual than others' profanity-laced responses

L..M...A...O!

[ecivon]

Well, It's not my site and not my rules and I don't have any complaints with any Mod, so as long as the rules are uniform ... it's all cool. Religion is a very, very potent topic and easily inflammed. Too many hotheads.

[*Narkissos*]

Additionally... disliking a societal sub-group because of their sexual preference isn't against the rules here...

But an "i hate Gays" thread will theead will probably get locked down.. probably cus it offends people...and it goes agains the rules of good taste and common sense..as defined by the societal norms of this message board.

The rules are a guideline.. People enforce the rules. The interpretation of offense is subjective.

[ecivon]

You took what I said in the earlier post completely out of context -- what I said was in response to the other posts that mocked this guys religion, that they are all just as guilty. But I'm not condascending, nor snide to others.

[max2extreme]

thanks for responding Nark...

Since i'm bored..and no other Mod has clicked on the thread (probably cus they have lives).. i'll respond

I find it laughable how a member who's been here from 2004 can comment on the 'new mods' (who have been here, for the majority, prior to 2004..and can attest to what would consitute as the board's social normative values better than the thread originator would) bias...

Ive been here since 2000. Before the site got hacked, before when the BigKev thing, before a lot and still here after a lot of new people have come and gone. longer than most. 6 years is long enough to post my views. But that doesnt matter.

Religious threads have been closed for the same reason that the political/religious forums were closed. They cause problems.. Tempers flare quicky. Flaming escalates monumentally..Rules are broken, thread gets locked.. members suspended. Mods have to stop modding to clean up the childishness. This is the general forum..it also a moderated forum. Everything can't be discussed here. If 'everything' could, there would be no locked threads. You're sitting here acting like ONLY religious threads get locked... which is total bullshit.

Since I spent a lot of time in the religion/politics forum, it was quite civil. Like i said, there were some problem people, but very very few. Yet because of these very few, they close the whole thing instead of taking care of those few. Im not acting like only religious threads get locked, im just speaking up for only the religious threads.

How is a thread about sex automatically a pornagraphic message?

If the immediate association were so, Sex Ed. class would be a pornagraphic class would it not? ...rather than an educational class as it is currently perceived?

Or maybe you'd suggest that sex and pornagraphy are somehow equivalent?

Anyway.. your personal associative thought aside, even sex threads get locked. I lock the more overbearing ones. I delete the sexually explicit material...and overboard posts. The topic itself is not against the rules. Maybe you should make a better comparison.

Well when you are talking about banging chicks and bj's, thats does not constitute educational. Im glad you lock the more overbearing ones.

Show me the anti-religious Mods sir.

I asked if there was this group..i didnt accuse anyone.

It's a shame you don't see the reported bad posts that weigh the 'new mod's' inboxes

It's a shame that you don't have to respond to every single reported thread respectively.

It's a shame that you have tunnel vision... seeing only the minority of Mod actions..and complaining about those that don't suit your fancy.

It really is a shame.

Mods do their jobs.

That's all there is to it

Narkissos

I dont see all that stuff here. And Im not saying the mods, new or old, are not working hard. But we did have mods working the religion/politics section that weren't complaining about the workload. A good response from those closing these threads would be good. Let the talks happen at least before the "lock" button gets hit and dont let anything be said.

Thanks again.

[max2extreme]

For the record i found the thread offensive.. not this one the religion one.

I dont know what thread you are talking about. THe one I posted on had like 1 post and it was "lets talk about religion" and then it was locked.

[QUOTE=Mizfit]

The reason why is because threads like that are created to cause conflict.

I say bullshit you didn't know it would be closed before you posted it. Posting a thread about topics you know r senstive - your adding to the issue.

And then you have the gull to make a thread about why it was closed??? NONSENSE.

If you have issues take it up privately with the admin..

Stop clogging the board with nonsense, which is the real reason why people stop posting!!!

Not everyone think religion is nonsense. Just like not everyone thinks what happened at a club last night is not nonsense. THe thread has a title. IF its something you dont want to read or take part in, then dont open it. Just like this thread, if you think this is clogging the board with nonsense, then stop posting in it and keeping it alive, or stop reading it, you dont have to.

What was the point of this particular thread?? U wanted to whine and bitch.... if you really wanted to find a resolution you would PRivately Pm the admin..

So instead of talking about religion, I should just talk about how I picked up some chick last night and got her home?

Reason I posted this thread is power in numbers. If the mods see a consensus that its more than just one member that would like to discuss such topics, then perhaps a section will be created. If the mods change the rules and say "from now on, nothing religious or politics or whatever will be discussed" then fine, I wont post and Ill leave. But when there are things that are posted that are in the rules and they dont get locked, and this is, theres something wrong.

[needmorestrength]

The MODs do not make this board, the members do.

Did I say the mods make this board? Your right the memebers do, and the mods take the proper actions required towards bettering this board...

[max2extreme]

Ahhhh on the money as always Nark.

For the record I dont think I have ever locked a religious thread. But when we get posts reported we have to act accordingly. If people are finding them offensive we act. We do our best to keep everyone on the board happy and civil even if we ourselves dont necessarily have a problem with the material.

You dont see the reported posts buddy, so until you check your email and have 25 new reported posts a day you should just chill.

Thanks Bino for posting. You know, perhaps a mod should start explaining things. If all the mods are getting tons and tons of these reported threads, then why is it such a secret to the members? Now all that happens is "lock". I do know a mod of the religion/politics forum and he never complained of all these emails. If there are people willing to deal with these problems, then whats the big deal?

[Mizfit]

I dont know what thread you are talking about. THe one I posted on had like 1 post and it was "lets talk about religion" and then it was locked.



The reason why is because threads like that are created to cause conflict.

I say bullshit you didn't know it would be closed before you posted it. Posting a thread about topics you know r senstive - your adding to the issue.

And then you have the gull to make a thread about why it was closed??? NONSENSE.

If you have issues take it up privately with the admin..
Not everyone think religion is nonsense. Just like not everyone thinks what happened at a club last night is not nonsense. THe thread has a title. IF its something you dont want to read or take part in, then dont open it. Just like this thread, if you think this is clogging the board with nonsense, then stop posting in it and keeping it alive, or stop reading it, you dont have to.


So instead of talking about religion, I should just talk about how I picked up some chick last night and got her home?

Reason I posted this thread is power in numbers. If the mods see a consensus that its more than just one member that would like to discuss such topics, then perhaps a section will be created. If the mods change the rules and say "from now on, nothing religious or politics or whatever will be discussed" then fine, I wont post and Ill leave. But when there are things that are posted that are in the rules and they dont get locked, and this is, theres something wrong.

Hun .. u have no idea the issues relgious threads start.

We have posters from every walk of life, from various backgrounds and from different beleives.

Some feel very strongly about their relgious beliefs. I'm not sure if you know of some of the issues around why there is no longer a relgion forum - but the gist of it is.. some people take their opinions, thoughts beliefs too far and it can in turn pose a potential threat to another individual - regardless of whether it is warranted or not.