Accidental relaps

[Schmidty]

I did not mean to. I work with my gf and we clean a doctors office and a real estate office. I was vacuming the floor at the real estate office and I found a little whit pill and little red pill behind a plant. I picked them up and I was gona throw them away and as Iwas walking to the trash can I ate them both, without even thinking about it. I forgot im suppose to be sober. The pills did nothing but I cant beleive I would do that. Does it count as a relaps Because it did not get me high?

[Foskamink]

its normal, my mate found a red and white pill in the hostel in amsterdam named like c38 or somthing and i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

[donniebrasco]

i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

BULLY

[Schmidty]

its normal, my mate found a red and white pill in the hostel in amsterdam named like c38 or somthing and i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

What ended up happining to him.

[StoneGRMI]

Was one shaped like Fred Flintstone and the other like Wilma? You're fine man. Stay strong.

[Schmidty]

Was one shaped like Fred Flintstone and the other like Wilma? You're fine man. Stay strong.

NO see Im not worried about my health I know that is some what ok. I am a former addict and that is why I want to know if this is a relaps or am I just tripping about nothing. Or do I need to start working a program again or what.

[Schmidty]

Foska killed someone. NICE

[l2elapse]

did you take the pills wanting to get a high?

[jman98z24]

Did you even know what these pills were, or did you just eat two random pills off of the floor?

[prncezzml]

NO see Im not worried about my health I know that is some what ok. I am a former addict and that is why I want to know if this is a relaps or am I just tripping about nothing. Or do I need to start working a program again or what.

I'm a recovering addict with 2 years clean, and i am still working a program daily, staying clean and sober is only a daily reprieve, seriously. It can creep back up on you at any time. As for it being a relapse, it's all about your intentions. If you took them hoping to get high, its a relapse (even if it didn't work). But say you took a vicodin thinking it was an ibruofen 800, then that would be unintentional.

[Bojangles69]

I did not mean to. I work with my gf and we clean a doctors office and a real estate office. I was vacuming the floor at the real estate office and I found a little whit pill and little red pill behind a plant. I picked them up and I was gona throw them away and as Iwas walking to the trash can I ate them both, without even thinking about it. I forgot im suppose to be sober. The pills did nothing but I cant beleive I would do that. Does it count as a relaps Because it did not get me high?

Umm according to NA ethics YES it would def be considered a relapse.
Your intentions were clear, 99% of people dont pick up random pills and take them because they have heart burn and think it may be a tums.
However, thats according to NA philsophy.
They would label me an "active drug addict" because I was once severely addiced to speed and now 4 years later I have no problem with going out for an occasional beer or 2 or 3.
I have no compulsion to wake up and do it again the next day.

One thing I learned about NA is it is a GREAT program. I cant talk shit about anything where people come together to improve thier life.
*BUT* as someone who studies psych, I also see NA sets these elusive cognitive relapse traps. Things that were made to help people, are the same things that trap them after a relapse.
ie:
NA preaches that "once an addict *always an addict"
If you are a regular attender of meetings, you identify yourself as an addict.
Beliefs are slow forming but develop quicker than we realize. Less than a year of NA meeting will program a person to *believe they are an "addict".
Even if they are not, and with what I've discovered, the fact is NOONE is an addict if they're not getting high at least everyday. They use terrible terms like "recovering addict". Think about this, even if you havent touched a drug in 15 years, you still have the label "addict" attached to you.
With what your tought in NA, once an addict relapses, they will assume course where they left off in their past drug cycle. Its a serious form of social conditioning, and as it has postive affects, it also has tragic sometime lethal affects as well.
Once the person attaches the rooted belief that they are an addict. A book of how to behave after you pick up a drug is basically programmed into you. ANd you learn all these misconceptions at NA.
The reason why NA takes this stance is because of the true and raw power of drug addiction.
But any strong mind can come to the realization, that the past doesnt exist. Its not real. And if years later, your identifying yourself still with a label you aquired in the past (recovering *addict*) You are taking something that isnt real (the past) and blanketing that over the present. Another words, your replacing something thats real with something thats not.
NA teaches people do to this, these are some reason why I left the program.
Their attentions are good, but since its more of a spiritual program than a scientific one, there is obvious reprecussions to be had.
Simply said, I sat through 4 years of mandated NA meetings. I loved them, They were motivational, they helped me A LOT.
Than I realized what was happening, I was being tricked into believe I was something that other people said I was. I was living my life according to how other people thought I should. One day, I basically said fvck that, *I AM ME*.
I control my thoughts, I control my behavoir. I *WAS once addicted to drugs.
And I was an addict at that point.
THe first time I picked up a beer with my friends I was *FVCKED* up in the head to say the least. And what was happening in my head was the clashing of 2 different types of social conditioning. NA saying your relapsing, this is BAD, you will be using speed next week.
THan my friends saying "dude its just a drink". That shit is over with. They're not the smartest people in the world, but they were right.
Everywhere you go in life and everything you do your constantly being assaulted with 3rd party belief systems.
If you stay stuck in between 2 your life will split and chaos will erupt. If you adopt a good system, which is usually pulling out all the accurate data from all social systems, and temper that into your own personal one. Thats when you have stability in life, thats when you gain power over your life. Thats when you start realizing I CONTROL MY LIFE.
Thats all I can really say about this whole drug cycle thing.
Its people in a weak and emotionally unstable state scurrying to adopt new belief systems they think will help. If drugs caused them pain, and NA says "drugs are bad", obviously these people will gravitate to NA.
But there comes a point where you learn NA is a crutch just like drugs. Your depending on something outside yourself to feel better (meetings)
Sure its a good relief from some of lifes stress, but the true power always comes from within. Master your mind, master your life, challenge what others say they *know is right, than figure out whats right for you.
Thats the most important advice I can give you.

[CSAR]

In before the lockdown, bannings, suspensions, etc.
+1

[stuball]

I did not mean to. I work with my gf and we clean a doctors office and a real estate office. I was vacuming the floor at the real estate office and I found a little whit pill and little red pill behind a plant. I picked them up and I was gona throw them away and as Iwas walking to the trash can I ate them both, without even thinking about it. I forgot im suppose to be sober. The pills did nothing but I cant beleive I would do that. Does it count as a relaps Because it did not get me high?

Jesus Christ Schmidty, im not tryin to dis you but thats the stupidest f'n thing ive ever heard, you took it to get high without even knowing what it was, i dont know what kind of a program your running but its not workin, IMO i would start hittin some meetings because there could be a major relaspe around the corner !!! THINK THINK THINK !!!!!

[stuball]

its normal, my mate found a red and white pill in the hostel in amsterdam named like c38 or somthing and i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

In your retarted world it makes sense.... Grow up bro if you want to hurt someone hurt yourself...

[zodiac666]

its normal, my mate found a red and white pill in the hostel in amsterdam named like c38 or somthing and i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

makes no sense, as you get older you will really take your health more seriously and realize its not just about looking cool or acting crazy. if you lose your health, nothing else in the world matters.

and schmidty start going to meetings again if you cant control yourself, what if that had been a pain pill??? as you already know once you've been addicted to something its nearly impossible to go back to doing it in moderation, good luck and stay clean

also how do you call this an ACCIDENTAL relapse? you picked up a pill which could have been a narcotic, put it in your mouth and swallowed it

[wascaptain5214]

bro......that was a stupid thing to do.....no flame meant, but wtf? could have been roach Poisson tablets or worst. good luck to you in keeping sober......as for me...i dont drink, drug or use tobacco products, but i have plenty other vices

[Hunter]

its normal, my mate found a red and white pill in the hostel in amsterdam named like c38 or somthing and i forced him to eat it without question, its just what has to be done. makes sense!?

Your an idiot and your friend is a bigger example. You are the load that should have been swallowed.

[stuball]

Your an idiot and your friend is a bigger example. You are the load that should have been swallowed.

Thats funny about an hour ago i was gonna say shot in the toilet !!!

[zodiac666]

Your an idiot and your friend is a bigger example. You are the load that should have been swallowed.

in the army we would say he was the result of a negligent discharge

[CSAR]

In before the lock, bannings, suspensions, warnings, etc.
+2

[D-Bo Dre]

[goodcents]

Umm according to NA ethics YES it would def be considered a relapse.
Your intentions were clear, 99% of people dont pick up random pills and take them because they have heart burn and think it may be a tums.
However, thats according to NA philsophy.
They would label me an "active drug addict" because I was once severely addiced to speed and now 4 years later I have no problem with going out for an occasional beer or 2 or 3.
I have no compulsion to wake up and do it again the next day.

One thing I learned about NA is it is a GREAT program. I cant talk shit about anything where people come together to improve thier life.
*BUT* as someone who studies psych, I also see NA sets these elusive cognitive relapse traps. Things that were made to help people, are the same things that trap them after a relapse.
ie:
NA preaches that "once an addict *always an addict"
If you are a regular attender of meetings, you identify yourself as an addict.
Beliefs are slow forming but develop quicker than we realize. Less than a year of NA meeting will program a person to *believe they are an "addict".
Even if they are not, and with what I've discovered, the fact is NOONE is an addict if they're not getting high at least everyday. They use terrible terms like "recovering addict". Think about this, even if you havent touched a drug in 15 years, you still have the label "addict" attached to you.
With what your tought in NA, once an addict relapses, they will assume course where they left off in their past drug cycle. Its a serious form of social conditioning, and as it has postive affects, it also has tragic sometime lethal affects as well.
Once the person attaches the rooted belief that they are an addict. A book of how to behave after you pick up a drug is basically programmed into you. ANd you learn all these misconceptions at NA.
The reason why NA takes this stance is because of the true and raw power of drug addiction.
But any strong mind can come to the realization, that the past doesnt exist. Its not real. And if years later, your identifying yourself still with a label you aquired in the past (recovering *addict*) You are taking something that isnt real (the past) and blanketing that over the present. Another words, your replacing something thats real with something thats not.
NA teaches people do to this, these are some reason why I left the program.
Their attentions are good, but since its more of a spiritual program than a scientific one, there is obvious reprecussions to be had.
Simply said, I sat through 4 years of mandated NA meetings. I loved them, They were motivational, they helped me A LOT.
Than I realized what was happening, I was being tricked into believe I was something that other people said I was. I was living my life according to how other people thought I should. One day, I basically said fvck that, *I AM ME*.
I control my thoughts, I control my behavoir. I *WAS once addicted to drugs.
And I was an addict at that point.
THe first time I picked up a beer with my friends I was *FVCKED* up in the head to say the least. And what was happening in my head was the clashing of 2 different types of social conditioning. NA saying your relapsing, this is BAD, you will be using speed next week.
THan my friends saying "dude its just a drink". That shit is over with. They're not the smartest people in the world, but they were right.
Everywhere you go in life and everything you do your constantly being assaulted with 3rd party belief systems.
If you stay stuck in between 2 your life will split and chaos will erupt. If you adopt a good system, which is usually pulling out all the accurate data from all social systems, and temper that into your own personal one. Thats when you have stability in life, thats when you gain power over your life. Thats when you start realizing I CONTROL MY LIFE.
Thats all I can really say about this whole drug cycle thing.
Its people in a weak and emotionally unstable state scurrying to adopt new belief systems they think will help. If drugs caused them pain, and NA says "drugs are bad", obviously these people will gravitate to NA.
But there comes a point where you learn NA is a crutch just like drugs. Your depending on something outside yourself to feel better (meetings)
Sure its a good relief from some of lifes stress, but the true power always comes from within. Master your mind, master your life, challenge what others say they *know is right, than figure out whats right for you.
Thats the most important advice I can give you.

Good god that was long

[CSAR]

In before the lock, bannings, suspensions, warnings, etc.
+3

[goodcents]

+4

[goodcents]

We have 4, can I hear 5?


4 going once, twice, closed

[CSAR]

Damn you goodcents! Always on top of your game and trumping my ho-ho-ho'ing...

+5

[goodcents]

Damn you goodcents! Always on top of your game and trumping my ho-ho-ho'ing...

+5

It tooks hours of useless post to get this good

[goodcents]

oh yeah, +6 (well that's about as high as I can count)

[CSAR]

It tooks hours of useless post to get this good

What is thy bidding my master...

+7

[goodcents]

Schmidty and fosk. it's like they are brothers

[CSAR]

Schmidty and fosk. it's like their brothers

I didn't think Stan's mom had any children that lived...

[prncezzml]

Umm according to NA ethics YES it would def be considered a relapse.
Your intentions were clear, 99% of people dont pick up random pills and take them because they have heart burn and think it may be a tums.
However, thats according to NA philsophy.
They would label me an "active drug addict" because I was once severely addiced to speed and now 4 years later I have no problem with going out for an occasional beer or 2 or 3.
I have no compulsion to wake up and do it again the next day.

One thing I learned about NA is it is a GREAT program. I cant talk shit about anything where people come together to improve thier life.
*BUT* as someone who studies psych, I also see NA sets these elusive cognitive relapse traps. Things that were made to help people, are the same things that trap them after a relapse.
ie:
NA preaches that "once an addict *always an addict"
If you are a regular attender of meetings, you identify yourself as an addict.
Beliefs are slow forming but develop quicker than we realize. Less than a year of NA meeting will program a person to *believe they are an "addict".
Even if they are not, and with what I've discovered, the fact is NOONE is an addict if they're not getting high at least everyday. They use terrible terms like "recovering addict". Think about this, even if you havent touched a drug in 15 years, you still have the label "addict" attached to you.
With what your tought in NA, once an addict relapses, they will assume course where they left off in their past drug cycle. Its a serious form of social conditioning, and as it has postive affects, it also has tragic sometime lethal affects as well.
Once the person attaches the rooted belief that they are an addict. A book of how to behave after you pick up a drug is basically programmed into you. ANd you learn all these misconceptions at NA.
The reason why NA takes this stance is because of the true and raw power of drug addiction.
But any strong mind can come to the realization, that the past doesnt exist. Its not real. And if years later, your identifying yourself still with a label you aquired in the past (recovering *addict*) You are taking something that isnt real (the past) and blanketing that over the present. Another words, your replacing something thats real with something thats not.
NA teaches people do to this, these are some reason why I left the program.
Their attentions are good, but since its more of a spiritual program than a scientific one, there is obvious reprecussions to be had.
Simply said, I sat through 4 years of mandated NA meetings. I loved them, They were motivational, they helped me A LOT.
Than I realized what was happening, I was being tricked into believe I was something that other people said I was. I was living my life according to how other people thought I should. One day, I basically said fvck that, *I AM ME*.
I control my thoughts, I control my behavoir. I *WAS once addicted to drugs.
And I was an addict at that point.
THe first time I picked up a beer with my friends I was *FVCKED* up in the head to say the least. And what was happening in my head was the clashing of 2 different types of social conditioning. NA saying your relapsing, this is BAD, you will be using speed next week.
THan my friends saying "dude its just a drink". That shit is over with. They're not the smartest people in the world, but they were right.
Everywhere you go in life and everything you do your constantly being assaulted with 3rd party belief systems.
If you stay stuck in between 2 your life will split and chaos will erupt. If you adopt a good system, which is usually pulling out all the accurate data from all social systems, and temper that into your own personal one. Thats when you have stability in life, thats when you gain power over your life. Thats when you start realizing I CONTROL MY LIFE.
Thats all I can really say about this whole drug cycle thing.
Its people in a weak and emotionally unstable state scurrying to adopt new belief systems they think will help. If drugs caused them pain, and NA says "drugs are bad", obviously these people will gravitate to NA.
But there comes a point where you learn NA is a crutch just like drugs. Your depending on something outside yourself to feel better (meetings)
Sure its a good relief from some of lifes stress, but the true power always comes from within. Master your mind, master your life, challenge what others say they *know is right, than figure out whats right for you.
Thats the most important advice I can give you.

You are completely wrong there. People who are in denial say NA is a "crutch". Schmidty, don't listen to him. You need to work a program if you are a true addict. Maybe bojangles isn't a true addict and thats why he has zero understanding of what real obsession and compulsion of an addict is like and 12 step groups are hardly a crutch. I've heard people go down this path before, and they are fine for awhile drinking, then eventually (even if it takes 10 years) they are either back using their drug of choice or completely miserable. I also go to college for psychology/social work, and 12 step groups are the golden rule for addicts.

[goodcents]

What is thy bidding my master...

+7

You know for the last couple of years, I thought that was a wolf on the throne instead of a red smiley face The crown part looks like a wolf face in a way.

[stuball]

You are completely wrong there. People who are in denial say NA is a "crutch". Schmidty, don't listen to him. You need to work a program if you are a true addict. Maybe bojangles isn't a true addict and thats why he has zero understanding of what real obsession and compulsion of an addict is like and 12 step groups are hardly a crutch. I've heard people go down this path before, and they are fine for awhile drinking, then eventually (even if it takes 10 years) they are either back using their drug of choice or completely miserable. I also go to college for psychology/social work, and 12 step groups are the golden rule for addicts.

People that use anything as a crutch are not ready to surrender.. I like the way you put that prncezzml...

[perfectbeast2001]

this whole thread is dumb, anyone who takes random drugs is just plain stupid. Thread reported for rec drug talk.