Zeitgeist movie, amazing

[Amorphic]

For anyone out there that is into seeing a very informative and disturbing documentary, check this movie out.

If you're easily offended in areas regarding christianity, American politics or other closely related issues, watch at your own risk.

I found it absolutely fascinating, the common beliefs of thousands of years are challenged and they do a very good job exposing 'truths' about american life, religion and so on.

Enjoy

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

[peteroy01]

wow. thats not 20min long.

[peteroy01]

wow. now feel like a godless nazi. i think everyone should watch this.

[Amorphic]

wow. now feel like a godless nazi. i think everyone should watch this.

Yeah it certainly gets you thinking.

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[energizer bunny]

A was brought up a catholic, but since av been old enuf 2 make me own choice a was never sure if a believed or not, watching tht (if true) is swaying me to think a was right not to believe. But even if i showed my granma that she would still not be swayed!!!

[unclemoney]

A woz brought up a catholic, but since av been old enuf 2 make me own choice a woz never sure if a believed or not, watching tht (if true) is swaying me to think a woz right not to believe. But even if i showed my granma that she would still not be swayed!!!

yo... why are you spelling "was" as "woz"? I mean I understand making words shorter, but changing the letters around in a word?!?!

[energizer bunny]

No big reason mate its jst how i do it when im txtin!!

[energizer bunny]

There we gan!! Back to real words! lol

[Amorphic]

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[ironjaw467]

WOW that kinda freaked me the **** out!!!

[Amorphic]

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[Stabone]

They could have shortened that shit up a bit! Pretty cool though, although that 9/11 shit is played out. Unfortunately we will never know all the fvcked up realities of what REALLY happened. The first 20 minutes is pretty dope though. I'm not a religious person but i do try and keep an open mind. Scientology baby!

[customworksking]

wow ....I will not get to c the out come but my son will ...I hope it will not end up that way

[S431M7]

For anyone out there that is into seeing a very informative and disturbing documentary, check this movie out.

If you're easily offended in areas regarding christianity, American politics or other closely related issues, watch at your own risk.

I found it absolutely fascinating, the common beliefs of thousands of years are challenged and they do a very good job exposing 'truths' about american life, religion and so on.

Enjoy

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

LOL @
get a life

[Amorphic]

LOL @
get a life

constructive as always..

[Amorphic]

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[B.E.N.]

Do a little research before you go believing this rhetoric. Just like supps and strds...you have to put in the research before believing what is advertised.

Otherwise we would all be taking every Joe Weider and Muscletech product out there...ha ha ha!

Trust me, I've got no problem with different religions and the whole church state division but some of what they have said is utter garbage. You can refute a lot of the film by just searching google much less actually visiting a library.

The only thing that chaps my ass is the info about the Amero and North American Union. Some of that is actually true...

[unclemoney]

Do a little research before you go believing this rhetoric. Just like supps and strds...you have to put in the research before believing what is advertised.

Otherwise we would all be taking every Joe Weider and Muscletech product out there...ha ha ha!

Trust me, I've got no problem with different religions and the whole church state division but some of what they have said is utter garbage. You can refute a lot of the film by just searching google much less actually visiting a library.

The only thing that chaps my ass is the info about the Amero and North American Union. Some of that is actually true...

Give some examples of this "garbage". I'm not talking about your own personal oppinions but I'm asking for cold hard facts.

[B.E.N.]

Give some examples of this "garbage". I'm not talking about your own personal oppinions but I'm asking for cold hard facts.

So you want me to do your 'homework' because you are foolish enough to take every thing in the movie at face value???? While we are at it I have some ocean front land in Iowa I would like to sell you and some protein powder that will help you put on 20 pounds in a month. You buying? HA HA HA

There are so many things you can literally watch the first part of the movie, pick anything, and it is likely false or manipulated facts.

- About being born on Dec 25th for most deities?! They didn’t even use a GREGORIAN CALENDER back then.

- http://singinginthereign.blogspot.co...istianity.html

Let's go over just some of the data:

1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.

- http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html

Let me know when you are done reading and I will have more for you...

[bpm1]

So you want me to do your 'homework' because you are foolish enough to take every thing in the movie at face value???? While we are at it I have some ocean front land in Iowa I would like to sell you and some protein powder that will help you put on 20 pounds in a month. You buying? HA HA HA

There are so many things you can literally watch the first part of the movie, pick anything, and it is likely false or manipulated facts.

- About being born on Dec 25th for most deities?! They didn’t even use a GREGORIAN CALENDER back then.

- http://singinginthereign.blogspot.co...istianity.html

Let's go over just some of the data:

1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.

- http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html

Let me know when you are done reading and I will have more for you...

nice post

[unclemoney]

So you want me to do your 'homework' because you are foolish enough to take every thing in the movie at face value???? While we are at it I have some ocean front land in Iowa I would like to sell you and some protein powder that will help you put on 20 pounds in a month. You buying? HA HA HA

There are so many things you can literally watch the first part of the movie, pick anything, and it is likely false or manipulated facts.

- About being born on Dec 25th for most deities?! They didn’t even use a GREGORIAN CALENDER back then.

- http://singinginthereign.blogspot.co...istianity.html

Let's go over just some of the data:

1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.

- http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html

Let me know when you are done reading and I will have more for you...

Before I submerge myself in such of the modern day religions. Tell me what was there before christianity??? Is every1 b4 the time of Christ in hell???? Or is it ok to sacrifice animals and put their blood up above your door so the "angel of death" would "passover". Whoa, look at the hyprocrisy there, kill in order not to be killed.

This is among one of many facts that I have picked out myself, I will post this in my other thread as to stir up some of the readers in there as to there outlooks and how this was "justifiable". Apparently killing in the name of "god" is justifiable, thus a lot of the "crusades" and such. You can't tell me it wasn't people of power who thought up ways to manipulate and control there people. Even if all those facts in the zeitgeist movie were wrong like you claim, how can you deny the fact of "corruption of power".

Look I'm not gulliable to believe everything I say, I question EVERYTHING and I will read and educate myself further till I come upon my own conclusion based off of facts for I take other peoples word as mere grains of sand.

[unclemoney]

I would also like to hear as to what you attest to as for the whole symbology of the fish portrayed as jesus, for what other sence would it make? You said they didn't even have the gregorian calanders, well even if this is true, what of that of the zodiac and it's symbology and strikingly SIMILARITIES to modern day christianity???

How do you know of your sources of info to be correct and not just people sitting behind the computer conspiring ways to "strengthen" the blindness (what I believe to be the blindness) of man.

Question everything!!!

[B.E.N.]

Question everything!!!

Agreed!!!! Start with the diatribes in this movie!!!!

Secondly, I never said that everything in the Old Testament was to be taken literally or everything the Catholic Church did was correct or promoting God's Will. So do not try to read a few Biblical passages and shove it down our throats as corrupt. The Bible was written by men. Men by Christ's and the Bible's own admission have faults. Some faults likely exsist in the Bible. Make no mistake, everything any Church in the history of the World has done has been wonderful, but you are trying to smear thousands of years of history and millions of Christian's faith with a few mesely facts.

That would be like someone saying because you have a 'cheat day' you are not committed to the sport of bodybuilding and have no business in the gym.

[Idunno]

Some faults likely exsist in the Bible. Make no mistake, everything any Church in the history of the World has done has been wonderful, but you are trying to smear thousands of years of history and millions of Christian's faith with a few mesely facts.

YEAH!! How dare someone introduce FACTS into a discussion about Christianity??!!!? Everyone knows you're supposed to have FAITH and not bother yourself with little things such as FACTS! BWAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Typical Christian! HEHEEH but hey!! At least I got a good laugh out of reading this!!

And by semi-accurate historical reports Jesus was more likely born in Autumn, nowhere NEAR December.. December 25 was and is a Pagan holiday and the christians used this day as their own so the people celebrating this day could call it a christian celebration rather than pagan since the christians couldn't stop them from celebrating the Pagan religion!

[B.E.N.]

YEAH!! How dare someone introduce FACTS into a discussion about Christianity??!!!? Everyone knows you're supposed to have FAITH and not bother yourself with little things such as FACTS! BWAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Typical Christian! HEHEEH but hey!! At least I got a good laugh out of reading this!!

And by semi-accurate historical reports Jesus was more likely born in Autumn, nowhere NEAR December.. December 25 was and is a Pagan holiday and the christians used this day as their own so the people celebrating this day could call it a christian celebration rather than pagan since the christians couldn't stop them from celebrating the Pagan religion!

Classy. We were having a civil discussion and you have to come in to ridicule in an attempt to make your point. Pity on you...

What I was trying to illustrate with the 'fact' comment was that this movie takes facts in the Bible, or elsewhere, and attempts to turn these facts against themselves.

You are correct that Jesus was actually born in August or September. I find it odd that you mock me as a Christian but have helped to disprove 'facts' in this movie. Early Christians did not even celebrate Christ's birth.

In Acts 2:42 "they continued steadfastly in the Apostles doctrine in fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." The Apostles doctrine em­phasized the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and not the birth. The first day of the week was given for the day upon which the Church is to assemble to show forth the death of Christ. Acts 20:7. The Apos­tles forbade the Church keeping days not authorized in Christ's New Testament plan. Gal. 4:10-11. "Ye observe days and months and times and years. I am afraid of you lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain." Notice, Paul said his labor among them was in vain if they observed unauthorized days, etc.

Not sure what argument you were trying to make here, but thanks for the ammunition...

[unclemoney]

Let's go over just some of the data:

1. Horus was not born of a Virgin--that's a lie.
2. Horus was not baptized. That's a complete fabrication. "Anup the Baptizer"?--show me where you find that! That's a lie.
3. Horus never walked on water. He performed miracles, but raising the dead and walking on water were not among them. Nor did he cast out demons.
4. Horus had disciples--but you can't show me a single reference to his having twelve. That's a lie.
5. Horus never taught in the temple at age 12. That's a lie. Read the accounts above--it's not there.
6. Where was ever said that was Horus crucified? That's a lie! He died in a later version of the story and was brought back to life--but Jesus' "resurrection" was more than a mere coming back to life. His body was transformed and changed. Anyways, it was only later added to the Horus legend.

Pulled from wikipedia

"
Images from the temple at Luxor described as associating Amenhotep III's relationship with his wife, Great Royal Wife Tiye by depicting a legend of the birth of Ra, in which (reading from left to right) the ibis-headed Thoth announced to Neith, the primordial waters, that she would become pregnant with Ra (the new king of heaven). In the next image, the impregnation of Neith was achieved by Kneph (on her left) and Hathor (on her right) applying the ankh, thereby leaving Neith "ever virgin". To the right are images of the subsequent birth over a birth brick, as well as the praise raised to the child by Neith's courtiers and fellow deities. The form of Ra at this point was Ra-Amun, who was becoming identified as Horus. The child of Tiye, who consequently is described as being Ra/Horus through this association with the legend, went on to become Akhenaten, when pharaoh."

"Since recognition of Horus as the son of Osiris, was only in existence after Osiris's death, and because Horus, in an earlier guise, was the husband of Isis, in late Gnostic traditions, it came to be said that Horus was the resurrected form of Osiris.[citation needed] Likewise, as the form of Horus before his death and resurrection, Osiris, who had already become considered a form of creator when belief about Osiris assimilated that about Ptah-Seker, also became considered to be the only creator, since Horus had gained these aspects of Ra."

This story doesn't sound a tad bit familiar???

[unclemoney]

To further your knowledge, do a little reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_a...tive_mythology

[Idunno]

Classy. We were having a civil discussion and you have to come in to ridicule in an attempt to make your point. Pity on you...

What I was trying to illustrate with the 'fact' comment was that this movie takes facts in the Bible, or elsewhere, and attempts to turn these facts against themselves.

You are correct that Jesus was actually born in August or September. I find it odd that you mock me as a Christian but have helped to disprove 'facts' in this movie. Early Christians did not even celebrate Christ's birth.

In Acts 2:42 "they continued steadfastly in the Apostles doctrine in fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." The Apostles doctrine em­phasized the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and not the birth. The first day of the week was given for the day upon which the Church is to assemble to show forth the death of Christ. Acts 20:7. The Apos­tles forbade the Church keeping days not authorized in Christ's New Testament plan. Gal. 4:10-11. "Ye observe days and months and times and years. I am afraid of you lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain." Notice, Paul said his labor among them was in vain if they observed unauthorized days, etc.

Not sure what argument you were trying to make here, but thanks for the ammunition...

there are few real FACTS in the bible. it was written by men who had dreams.. excuse me.. "VIsions" from God who told them what to write. umm.. I'll pass.

[B.E.N.]

there are few real FACTS in the bible. it was written by men who had dreams.. excuse me.. "VIsions" from God who told them what to write. umm.. I'll pass.

Wrong again...or only half right...again.

Some of the Bible are stories relayed from God. Some are first hand accounts accord to Apostles.

Hey...I am not hear to tell you what to believe, but in the same light show some respect.

[B.E.N.]

To further your knowledge, do a little reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_a...tive_mythology

Wikipedia, what an incredibly reliable source!

[Igifuno]

[QUOTE=Idunno]YEAH!! How dare someone introduce FACTS into a discussion about Christianity??!!!? Everyone knows you're supposed to have FAITH and not bother yourself with little things such as FACTS!

i can agree with this. i think that over time, the "facts" have become distorted. i think that having "faith" and believing whatever fulfills you in life is the way to go.

[unclemoney]

Wikipedia, what an incredibly reliable source!

In fact, yes it is...

Oh yeah, and that site you posted earlier to disprove the zeitgeist documentary is such a reliable christian affiliated source too... right???

[Idunno]

Wrong again...or only half right...again.

Some of the Bible are stories relayed from God. Some are first hand accounts accord to Apostles.

Hey...I am not hear to tell you what to believe, but in the same light show some respect.

I grew up Southern Baptist and went to church everysunday and saw all the people and I lived in a small town so you also knew who was doing what.. Name ONE PERSON you know who's a christian who TRULY lives by his/her faith daily and without fail?? Why should I respect that? You're not "trying to convert me" but all your infected friends are to everyone everyday. You can not like my position on this and you do not need to respect it but understand it is my position and you can't change it just I as can't change yours and I respect your right to have a position even though I don't have to agree in any way and can debunk it all I choose.

half the stories are dreams and the other half are from apostles who were MEN (who are naturally shady and rarely altruistic) who could have very easily written things from their, misguided, point of view.. you know.. like how the misguided media writes incorrect stuff all the time because it's how "they interpret the information"

[Idunno]

[QUOTE=Igifuno]

YEAH!! How dare someone introduce FACTS into a discussion about Christianity??!!!? Everyone knows you're supposed to have FAITH and not bother yourself with little things such as FACTS!

i can agree with this. i think that over time, the "facts" have become distorted. i think that having "faith" and believing whatever fulfills you in life is the way to go.

THIS is EXACTLy the way I feel about it. WHATEVER you choose to believe in (or nothing at all); if it makes you a better person, gives you hope/drive/guidance/ambition/morals/whatever you want out of it then it is the way for you. If that way is christianity, at least learn its true form and know what it is you are believing and go from there rather than blindly believe teh "leaders" of the church.

I do not believe in anything curently yet I live FAR better than most christians I know. I live by the rules I set for myself and stick to them which causes me no moral quandry such as being a christian does.. most of the christians say they live righteously but in actuallity they are far far from it in their daily lives.. or is Sunday the only day that counts? then those people feel guilty and repent and recycle the same process all over again living in perpetual guilt (if they care at all about not living the way they profess

[peteroy01]

ok, ive got a way to settle this. how bout we all just break into the vatican and steal their whole library. then we could have some answers.

i think ive read 1 to many dan brown books.

[Amorphic]

ok, ive got a way to settle this. how bout we all just break into the vatican and steal their whole library. then we could have some answers.

if i was in the vatican i would be burning the library.

[sooners04]

Outstanding find, puts things into perspective from another point of view. I will not post my feelings either way, but if you going to argue against the video, then please post FACTS that disprove certain parts of the video. BEING SPECIFIC IS KEY!!! ex: Well it was the fire that made WTC 7 collapse, bring something more than that.

[B.E.N.]

I grew up Southern Baptist and went to church everysunday and saw all the people and I lived in a small town so you also knew who was doing what.. Name ONE PERSON you know who's a christian who TRULY lives by his/her faith daily and without fail?? Why should I respect that? You're not "trying to convert me" but all your infected friends are to everyone everyday. You can not like my position on this and you do not need to respect it but understand it is my position and you can't change it just I as can't change yours and I respect your right to have a position even though I don't have to agree in any way and can debunk it all I choose.

half the stories are dreams and the other half are from apostles who were MEN (who are naturally shady and rarely altruistic) who could have very easily written things from their, misguided, point of view.. you know.. like how the misguided media writes incorrect stuff all the time because it's how "they interpret the information"

Bitter much...mommy and daddy did not hug someone enough.

[RA]

I find it odd how people rail so hard against Christianity. You dont see many Christian threads but you see many anti-

[B.E.N.]

I find it odd how people rail so hard against Christianity. You dont see many Christian threads but you see many anti-

And their rational is usually, 'Look at all the bad Christians!' When in reality the bad are a fraction of a percent of the good.

Same cat going off is the one asking about escorting in another thread...hum????