Holy shit boys... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!

**Atomini** · 10-21-2007, 05:17 PM

This is on the front page headline of yahoo news just now: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

OH NO!!! U GAISE!! HE'S USING HGH!!! HOLY SHIT, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD BECAUSE HGH IS THE SOLE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS IMPURE AND EVIL IN THIS WORLD, RIGHT?!?!

F'ing dumbasses. What is wrong with the media and the public in general? If Byrd said he needed the HGH for a medical condition, then why the hell this big report about it as if he's doing somehting so horrible? Even if he DIDN'T have a medical condition, it's still not something horrible!!! This makes me sick to see the media and people make such a huge issue of something that ISN'T an issue!

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-21-2007, 05:29 PM

lets go blow up some media buildings

**dupa95** · 10-21-2007, 05:56 PM

Go Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Amorphic** · 10-21-2007, 06:05 PM

we are all terrible chemically enhanced villians

**dupa95** · 10-21-2007, 06:10 PM

Just saw his interveiw. He said,I would never take any thing that a doctor did not perscibe to me. Ya ok! He said I do not want to called a cheater. He all so said he did not exceed the recomend dose. ( No one asked you that )

**dupa95** · 10-21-2007, 06:13 PM

Take a look at curt schilling could not get the ball beyond 90 MPH last night. He also dont have those be tree stump legs. My point is most of them is doing gear and so what.

**Kingweb50** · 10-21-2007, 06:47 PM

I read earlier that said he used it between 2002-2005 but then said MLB didnt ban it untill 2005 so why is this a big deal if he used it before it was a banned substance.

**LawMan018** · 10-21-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

This is on the front page headline of yahoo news just now: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

OH NO!!! U GAISE!! HE'S USING HGH!!! HOLY SHIT, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD BECAUSE HGH IS THE SOLE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS IMPURE AND EVIL IN THIS WORLD, RIGHT?!?!

F'ing dumbasses. What is wrong with the media and the public in general? If Byrd said he needed the HGH for a medical condition, then why the hell this big report about it as if he's doing somehting so horrible? Even if he DIDN'T have a medical condition, it's still not something horrible!!! This makes me sick to see the media and people make such a huge issue of something that ISN'T an issue!

Don't you know? The apple Adam took from the tree and ate was laced with HGH... So basically if you take HGH you are openly practicing Satanism, which is banned in baseball because God created it

**thegodfather** · 10-21-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kingweb50

I read earlier that said he used it between 2002-2005 but then said MLB didnt ban it untill 2005 so why is this a big deal if he used it before it was a banned substance.

So what happens if the MLB decides to ban antibiotics? Does that mean that our baseball players cannot be treated for a medical condition because the MLB says so? Sounds ridiculous to me, they are basically telling the players what they can and cannot be prescribed to by a doctor...

**Atomini** · 10-21-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

So what happens if the MLB decides to ban antibiotics? Does that mean that our baseball players cannot be treated for a medical condition because the MLB says so? Sounds ridiculous to me, they are basically telling the players what they can and cannot be prescribed to by a doctor...

I think it's rediculous whether or not it was perscribed by a doctor. It's pathetic the way this stuff is treated, doesn't matter what situation it's in.

**Atomini** · 10-21-2007, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by dupa95

Just saw his interveiw. He said,I would never take any thing that a doctor did not perscibe to me. Ya ok! He said I do not want to called a cheater. He all so said he did not exceed the recomend dose. ( No one asked you that )

He knows he's not a cheater because everyone else is doing it already anyways.

**dhriscerr** · 10-21-2007, 10:32 PM

Honestly If you take aas out of sports, they won't be as fun to watch. Who wants to see a game with pitchers throwing sub 90's and no home-runs. Pro football would suck more, and the Olympics would be horrible,( actually they are anyway but they would be worse) Bottom line is they are good for sports, I say just let everyone do them! I have respect for natural body builders, thats cool and all, but if I am going to watch a comp I want to see the giants not the decent sized guys.

**BWhitaker** · 10-21-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

So what happens if the MLB decides to ban antibiotics? Does that mean that our baseball players cannot be treated for a medical condition because the MLB says so? Sounds ridiculous to me, they are basically telling the players what they can and cannot be prescribed to by a doctor...

Antibiotics are not performance enhancers...that will never happen.

But even if it did, baseball is a professional sport and a private organization. It is a priveledge and choice to play. If you have a condition that requires you to use performace enhancing drugs (and it is against their rules) then I do not have a problem with them saying "sorry, you cant play." Seems quite illogical to allow a player a loophole which would be quite easy to illegitimately bypass.

**BWhitaker** · 10-21-2007, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

He knows he's not a cheater because everyone else is doing it already anyways.

That does not mean he is not a cheater....it just means there are a bunch of cheaters.

We can argue all day about whether it should or should not be a rule in sports to allow or disallow steroids ....the point is that they are disallowed and the rules should be followed.

**MuscleScience** · 10-21-2007, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Antibiotics are not performance enhancers...that will never happen.

But even if it did, baseball is a professional sport and a private organization. It is a priveledge and choice to play. If you have a condition that requires you to use performace enhancing drugs (and it is against their rules) then I do not have a problem with them saying "sorry, you cant play." Seems quite illogical to allow a player a loophole which would be quite easy to illegitimately bypass.

So what about diabetic players, should they be not allowed to play since insulin has anabolic properties if for some reason insulin was considered a banded substance. HGH was not banned by baseball at the time he took it. The MLB, his team, his trainers all knew of his condition and no one seemed to have a problem with it at the time. How could someone with a medical condition such as his be considered a loop hole.

Secondly what about players that have vision problems. Having some sort of vision correction would give that player an advantage in sports such as baseball.

**BWhitaker** · 10-21-2007, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

So what about diabetic players, should they be not allowed to play since insulin has anabolic properties if for some reason insulin was considered a banded substance. HGH was not banned by baseball at the time he took it. The MLB, his team, his trainers all knew of his condition and no one seemed to have a problem with it at the time. How could someone with a medical condition such as his be considered a loop hole.

Secondly what about players that have vision problems. Having some sort of vision correction would give that player an advantage in sports such as baseball.

First off, I am not saying that in his particular instance he should be considered a cheater. I am merely addressing general statements and assertions made by others.

But this is exactly the reason that baseball and other sport DO allow insulin for diabetic problems, as well as vision correction for players with eye problems. They do allow for these considerations. The frequency of these conditions as well as the amount of increase in performance beyond natural abilities are factors that are taken into consideration when determining the rules and their exceptions. For example, while a player with an eye condition condition may be allowed the increase of performance in his correction, a recent amputee (of a pitching arm lets say) requiring a mechanical, motorized replacement may not.

The point still remains that if a private organization makes a rule, its violation is "cheating."

**J*U*icEd** · 10-22-2007, 02:17 AM

if im wrong correct me here, but i remember reading that he was prescribed HGH for a condition that he has... i think that it's bullcrap that this is even under review by the MLB... the guy has a legit health issue that needed to be taken care of, even if it is a performance enhancing drug.... if it's prescribed i think there should be not problem with his use at all...

**jobyjoe** · 10-22-2007, 04:01 AM

I think it was perscribed by a clinic under investigation for "perscribing" HGH to atheletes.

**goodcents** · 10-22-2007, 08:39 AM

Yeah I always seem to pick the wrong side

I like guns, single and like to work out and take supplements. All the things that piss people off

**Atomini** · 10-22-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by J*U*icEd

if im wrong correct me here, but i remember reading that he was prescribed HGH for a condition that he has... i think that it's bullcrap that this is even under review by the MLB... the guy has a legit health issue that needed to be taken care of, even if it is a performance enhancing drug.... if it's prescribed i think there should be not problem with his use at all...

Exactly, yet they're giving this guy trouble for it. Makes me sick.

**longhorn814** · 10-22-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Antibiotics are not performance enhancers...that will never happen.

what about cortisone shots? That is definitely a performance enhancing drug. Lets shoot up guys with cortisone so they can play through the pain and risk hurting themselves more!! Now thats fukked up!

**thegodfather** · 10-22-2007, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Antibiotics are not performance enhancers...that will never happen.

But even if it did, baseball is a professional sport and a private organization. It is a priveledge and choice to play. If you have a condition that requires you to use performace enhancing drugs (and it is against their rules) then I do not have a problem with them saying "sorry, you cant play." Seems quite illogical to allow a player a loophole which would be quite easy to illegitimately bypass.

SSRI's,SNRI's,etc... are performance enhancers, they use synthetic chemicals to make you feel better, not be depressed, not have anxiety, which are all natural things that people go through.

Ambien is a performance enhancer. It allows a person who naturally has trouble sleeping to achieve a full 8 hours of sleep and be more rested.

Allegra, Claritin, etc.. are performance enhancers. They help someone who is naturally affected by the elements to be decongested and more clear.

See where Im going here? Just about anything that isn't water,air, and natural food can be looked at as improving performance in some aspect of life. To label HGH and other things performance enhancers, while ignoring the other thousands of chemicals that enhance performance is naive, as well as a double standard.

**BWhitaker** · 10-22-2007, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

SSRI's,SNRI's,etc... are performance enhancers, they use synthetic chemicals to make you feel better, not be depressed, not have anxiety, which are all natural things that people go through.

Ambien is a performance enhancer. It allows a person who naturally has trouble sleeping to achieve a full 8 hours of sleep and be more rested.

Allegra, Claritin, etc.. are performance enhancers. They help someone who is naturally affected by the elements to be decongested and more clear.

See where Im going here? Just about anything that isn't water,air, and natural food can be looked at as improving performance in some aspect of life. To label HGH and other things performance enhancers, while ignoring the other thousands of chemicals that enhance performance is naive, as well as a double standard.

The distinction is the amount of performance enhanced. It is not a double standard. If you want to define performance enhancers differently than what is mean by it (your definition is the literall word translation of anything that enhances performance even to the slightest degree) then baseball would not have banned performance enhancers but rather perhaps "extreme performance enhancers" (for lack of a better word).

It all comes down the the level of enhancement and the amount beyond the objectively natural that it attains.

**BWhitaker** · 10-22-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

what about cortisone shots? That is definitely a performance enhancing drug. Lets shoot up guys with cortisone so they can play through the pain and risk hurting themselves more!! Now thats fukked up!

Sure, but read the rest of my post within this thread.

They make rules and exceptions based on pragmatics. In this case, baseball allows this probably due to the fact that rather than push those past their natural abilitites, it just masks injury. Secondly, the public and legal perception. Etc Etc...

Its not about necessarily protecting players as it is about "creating an even playing field." I am not saying that baseball should continue to not allow steroids , im just speaking on why they do.

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-22-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

SSRI's,SNRI's,etc... are performance enhancers, they use synthetic chemicals to make you feel better, not be depressed, not have anxiety, which are all natural things that people go through.

Ambien is a performance enhancer. It allows a person who naturally has trouble sleeping to achieve a full 8 hours of sleep and be more rested.

Allegra, Claritin, etc.. are performance enhancers. They help someone who is naturally affected by the elements to be decongested and more clear.

See where Im going here? Just about anything that isn't water,air, and natural food can be looked at as improving performance in some aspect of life. To label HGH and other things performance enhancers, while ignoring the other thousands of chemicals that enhance performance is naive, as well as a double standard.

i like this line of thinking godfather...i think we could use it in court

**BWhitaker** · 10-22-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

i like this line of thinking godfather...i think we could use it in court

Courts dont care about whether or not it increases one's natural potential. They are concerned with side effects to the individual and to society as a whole.

**Atomini** · 10-22-2007, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Courts dont care about whether or not it increases one's natural potential. They are concerned with side effects to the individual and to society as a whole.

Wrong. They don't give a shit about you or me or what happens to us. They just don't give a shit.

They care about control, money and power, and that's what this whole war on drugs and anti-steroid /anti-HGH shit is about.

**thegodfather** · 10-22-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Courts dont care about whether or not it increases one's natural potential. They are concerned with side effects to the individual and to society as a whole.

SSRI's and SNRI's have been the cause of more suicides than they would really like to report. It is probably one of the most underreported epidemics that this country has had in a while. There is a marked increase in suicide and suicidal thoughts in people on SSRIs&SNRIs and it is not just limited to those under 18 years of age. Anyone can be negatively affected by one of these anti-depressants. The reason I say it is most likely an under reported statistic, is that after the suicide someone has to make the connection or at least disclose that the person was prescribed to these drugs, and I think many times its just overlooked.

**BWhitaker** · 10-22-2007, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

Wrong. They don't give a shit about you or me or what happens to us. They just don't give a shit.

They care about control, money and power, and that's what this whole war on drugs and anti-steroid/anti-HGH shit is about.

Maybe so, but the point still remains that they could care less about the raise of someones natural potential

**BWhitaker** · 10-22-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

SSRI's and SNRI's have been the cause of more suicides than they would really like to report. It is probably one of the most underreported epidemics that this country has had in a while. There is a marked increase in suicide and suicidal thoughts in people on SSRIs&SNRIs and it is not just limited to those under 18 years of age. Anyone can be negatively affected by one of these anti-depressants. The reason I say it is most likely an under reported statistic, is that after the suicide someone has to make the connection or at least disclose that the person was prescribed to these drugs, and I think many times its just overlooked.

Pharmaceutacal companies do have their hold upon government interests.

However, while it is true that there is a higher link with people on SSRI's, etc to commit suicide the statistic seems to be on the severely, severely depressed. Sometimes people are so pulled in by depression that they in fact could care less about anything at all...until they take their depression medication and all of a sudden it pulls them out just enough to want to actually do something...that is kill themselves.

Interestingly enough, I wonder how many suicides it has prevented. These drugs do wonders for many people.

**Atomini** · 10-23-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

SSRI's and SNRI's have been the cause of more suicides than they would really like to report. It is probably one of the most underreported epidemics that this country has had in a while. There is a marked increase in suicide and suicidal thoughts in people on SSRIs&SNRIs and it is not just limited to those under 18 years of age. Anyone can be negatively affected by one of these anti-depressants. The reason I say it is most likely an under reported statistic, is that after the suicide someone has to make the connection or at least disclose that the person was prescribed to these drugs, and I think many times its just overlooked.

I never knew that, thanks for posting. I was vaguely aware of this, but I didn';t know it was getting so big that it's considered an epidemic.