Invisible Juice

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 02:57 PM

Alright, well i have heard of some steroids that are undetectable, but i just recieved 7 vials of tren from my source and went online to see if all my vials are in the labs website thingy. (makers of the "plex" products(hope i can say that)). but under their R&D section of their website it says they are "working on a compound for athletes that is undetecable as of now. . I wonder what it is.

**jojo2002** · 11-27-2007, 03:08 PM

its not there tren i can tell u that much...

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 03:26 PM

guess we'll have to wait and see what they come out with.

**PEWN** · 11-27-2007, 03:42 PM

the clear like barry was on ... lol...

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 11-27-2007, 03:46 PM

I think mine are invisible.
got my shipment today

all my vials/bottles are empty!?!?

**buffgator** · 11-27-2007, 03:56 PM

man I dont care if I can pass a drug test or not, just make it easy to obtain.

**magic32** · 11-27-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by CheddaNips

Alright, well i have heard of some steroids that are undetectable, but i just recieved 7 vials of tren from my source and went online to see if all my vials are in the labs website thingy. (makers of the "plex" products(hope i can say that)). but under their R&D section of their website it says they are "working on a compound for athletes that is undetecable as of now. . I wonder what it is.

Not lau***ng at you Nip just the concept. The very nature of gear makes this completely impossible, I don't care who the scientists are or where they're from!

But lets go SciFi for a moment, even if such a thing were possible it would still be subject to the negative feedback loop. So, I've got this invisible gear in my body, and my natty Test readings come back ZERO...LOOOLLLL. What conclusions can the board possibly draw from that? Other than some new form of ILLEGALITY!!!

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 04:11 PM

from my understanding, your test levels would be high, but they couldn't detect a source. Like when you take a drug test and say you are on decca, they can tell that you are on deca because of what your body turns the deca into, so if you altered a substance that had the same affects of test E , but your body produced something else, then they could be considered undetictable. . like "The Clear".

My head Hurts. . . wheres Merc at. . he has the answers

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 04:18 PM

just wait until SARMs come out, then it'll be a whole new ball game

**magic32** · 11-27-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by CheddaNips

from my understanding, your test levels would be high, but they couldn't detect a source. Like when you take a drug test and say you are on decca, they can tell that you are on deca because of what your body turns the deca into, so if you altered a substance that had the same affects of test E , but your body produced something else, then they could be considered undetictable. . like "The Clear".

My head Hurts. . . wheres Merc at. . he has the answers

That's more believable, but still invalid. Boards don't have to ID the source of your elevated levels, nor do they care. If said levels are beyond the upper limits of normalcy...then you're a user. Just ask American Tour De France winner Floyd Landis.

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

just wait until SARMs come out, then it'll be a whole new ball game

i cant tell if this is a smartass comment or not. . explain

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

That's more believable, but still invalid. Boards don't have to ID the source of your elevated levels, nor do they care. If said levels are beyond the upper limits of normalcy...then you're a user. Just ask American Tour De France winner Floyd Landis.

what was the result of his testing again?

**magic32** · 11-27-2007, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

what was the result of his testing again?

Simply "Elevated Test Levels".

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by CheddaNips

i cant tell if this is a smartass comment or not. . explain

no sarcasm bro.

SARMs = selective androgen receptor modulators.

theres info floating around on the internet about them, in testing phase right now.

it will be the next evolution in bodybuilding, muscle growth without hpta suppression, just the androgen receptors being stimulated.

basically, steroids without any side effects in theory

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 05:42 PM

haha like SARM X by MHP

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by CheddaNips

haha like SARM X by MHP

lol. yeah leave it to them to make a knock off of something that isnt even out on the market yet.

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 05:46 PM

when you said SARMs at first, i thought you were talkin bout SERMs. . hence the pondering smartassness of the comment

**Amorphic** · 11-27-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by CheddaNips

when you said SARMs at first, i thought you were talkin bout SERMs. . hence the pondering smartassness of the comment

i'd go search for the SARMs and myostatin blockers threads but im too lazy. no sarcasm here though

**CheddaNips** · 11-27-2007, 06:10 PM

Im still waiting for Merc to chime in with some amazing article explaining everything in detail. . always comes through in the crunch

**Travesty** · 11-28-2007, 06:51 AM

There is ongoing academic research on selective androgen receptor modulators. There was an article on SARM testing with rats in the August 2007 issue of the Endocrine journal. Here's the article abstract:

Androgen receptor (AR) ligands with tissue selectivity (selective androgen receptor modulators, or SARMs) have potential for treating muscle wasting, hypogonadism of aging, osteoporosis, female sexual dysfunction, and other indications. JNJ-28330835 is a nonsteroidal AR ligand with mixed agonist and antagonist activity in androgen-responsive cell-based assays. It is an orally active SARM with muscle selectivity in orchidectomized rat models. It stimulated growth of the levator ani muscle, stimulating maximal growth at a dose of 10 mg/kg. At the same time, JNJ-28330835 reduced prostate weight in intact rats by a mean of 30% at 10 mg/kg, while having no inhibitory effect on muscle. Using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to monitor body composition, it prevented half of the loss of lean body mass associated with orchidectomy, and restored about 30% of lost lean mass to aged orchidectomized rats. It had agonist effects on markers of both osteoclast and osteoblast activity, suggesting that it reduces bone turnover. In a model of sexual behavior, JNJ-28330835 enhanced the preference of ovariectomized female rats for sexually intact male rats over nonsexual orchidectomized males. JNJ-28330835 is a prostate-sparing SARM with the potential for clinically beneficial effects in muscle-wasting diseases and sexual function disorders.

If you want the full article, pm me.