NSA gets real time access to your Emails&Instant Messages

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 05:06 PM

NSA Gets Real Time Access to Your Email
Kurt Nimmo
Prison Planet
Wednesday, December 19, 2007

It was inevitable: the Advanced Research Projects Agency, later to become DARPA, right out of the Pentagon, created the internet. The RAND Corporation invented modern packet switching. DARPA and ARPANET recruited Vint Cerf of Stanford University to work on TCP/IP. Cerf is regarded as “the father of the Internet,” or maybe that should be the military-NSA snoop network. Now we learn NSA increasingly controls SSL, now called Transport Layer Security, the cryptographic protocol that provides secure communications on the internet for web browsing, e-mail, instant messaging, and other data transfers.

In other words, increasingly, the NSA is reading your email and everything you type in your IM client — and in real time, that is to say there is no delay in the timeliness of the information, the underwear drawer snoopers have the ability to read your IMs as you type them.

“Certain privacy/full session SSL email hosting services have been purchased/changed operational control by NSA and affiliates within the past few months, through private intermediary entities,” notes Cryptome.

Hushmail: now fully owned by private entity NSA affiliate; has had informal relationship with NSA for a number of years that effectively provided NSA with real time access to Hushmail’s hosting servers.

Safe-mail.net: Israeli-based, ironically privately lauded by NSA and US military several years ago for its sound implementation of SendMail with SSL webmail GUI frontend. Now provides mail server info to NSA in real time.

Guardster.com (SSH/SSL proxy): NSA contractors have “bought” full access rights to Guardster servers a few days ago. Separate but related: facilitated port sniffing of hosting servers at Everyones Internet, on NSA affiliates’ behalf, has been ongoing for a number of months now.
Geekspeak aside, what this means is that the NSA is buying up key technology in an effort to snoop you even more closely. If this trend continues, we may as well call the internet the NSAnet.

Moreover, according to Cryptome’s research, if you own “security” software produced by Zone Alarm, Symantec, and MacAfee, you are in essence throwing out a welcome mat for the NSA and its bevy of underwear drawer sniffing goons. “All facilitate Microsoft’s NSA-controlled remote admin access via IP/TCP ports 1024 through 1030,” and without a “security flag,” that it to say you will be none the wiser.

It won’t be long now before Winston Smith’s telescreen is barking orders.

**J*U*icEd** · 12-19-2007, 05:18 PM

wow... very interesting and disapointing... but somehow i knew this would all happen one day... another sad day in america!

**Amorphic** · 12-19-2007, 05:19 PM

theres no end to the amount of effort the feds will go though to get personal information these days

***G-1000*** · 12-19-2007, 05:19 PM

Im sure they have a lot more then that also.

**BigJames** · 12-19-2007, 05:25 PM

I have heard of this before and part of me would not be surprised if there was some way to flag emails with certain words / phrases in it. I have a couple of questions though:

How could they possibly be reading the enormous volume of email that is sent in the US each day? I would assume the use of a filter would be one of the only options, but since this story is public, then terrorists and other criminals would use code designed to look like normal emails. Once they do, what good would reading all the email be? When would, "Honey, I will drop some milk off at your parent's place on the way home tonight" mean something other than the literal interpretation? I find this hard to believe. I know that things are tightening up and maybe some will say I am naive, but i just do not see an obvious benefit to the cost of this system. I have a hard time believing that terrorist organizations send emails to eachother that would be even remotely decipherable. Just my 2 cents as a mild mannered Canadian...

**Panzerfaust** · 12-19-2007, 05:33 PM

C'mon guys, this is great. It's for our safety.

/sarcasm

In true form, most responses will be "I don't care, I got nothing to hide".

That is not the ****ing point people, we have a right to privacy without the gov't rubbing their goddamn hands all over us.

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 06:01 PM

I have talked to several people, and all agree that it is theoretically possible for your cellular phone to be tapped into as a room listening device, even if you are not on a call. I actually read a report a few years ago, I'll see if I can find it, that showed how ANYTHING with a speaker could be used to monitor a room if you had the right equipment.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:03 PM

If your not doing anything wrong then who cares

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by BigJames

I have a hard time believing that terrorist organizations send emails to eachother that would be even remotely decipherable. Just my 2 cents as a mild mannered Canadian...

If you believe this system is in place to track and monitor terrorists, then you are truely naive. I believe that that is most likely what the US government wants people to think, this kind of data mining is being used for terrorists.

In reality, this is data mining, and its only purpose is to start a clandestine program of monitoring every single citizens movements, affiliations, ideologies, and etc. My bet is that this program is MORE for domestic threats than it is for any percieved foreign threat. Most likely, this is just the beginning.

The NSA have no charter to operate domestically, so this is very interesting.

**Amorphic** · 12-19-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

If your not doing anything wrong then who cares

the majority of the people here are doing something 'wrong.'

and even if you arent doing anything wrong, why would you want to be comfortable with the government having access to all aspects of your life to potentially use against you?

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

If your not doing anything wrong then who cares

That was sarcasm right?

**Amorphic** · 12-19-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

That was sarcasm right?

i was hoping so

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Amorphic

the majority of the people here are doing something 'wrong.'

and even if you arent doing anything wrong, why would you want to be comfortable with the government having access to all aspects of your life to potentially use against you?

No one said it was ever going to be used agaisnt me. What if they scan for bomb threats etc but upon finding out that joe-smo smoked weed last night with this friends they simple delete it and move on ?

Also as per google the population is: 301,139,947 (July 2007 est). If you really think that they are reading all that your crazy.

Times the population by the average amount of emails sent per day. That doesnt even include corp emails.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:13 PM

I think everyone is jumping to conclusions to quickly. I just wanted my turn to stur the pot

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

If your not doing anything wrong then who cares

If you are not doing anything wrong then why are they watching over you?

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:17 PM

On a side not maybe i am taking this matter too lightly but i am more worried about things that effect me directly.

I guess all of our priorities are different. I don't even have equal rights in some places !

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=Odpierdol_sie!;3744550]If you are not doing anything wrong then why are they watching over you?[/QUOTE
I am not getting tangled up in this. I can't say how,what,where,why or who they are doing this to or why. I am sure they have their reasons and we will find out the truth in about 20 yrs.

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

No one said it was ever going to be used agaisnt me. What if they scan for bomb threats etc but upon finding out that joe-smo smoked weed last night with this friends they simple delete it and move on ?

Also as per google the population is: 301,139,947 (July 2007 est). If you really think that they are reading all that your crazy.

Times the population by the average amount of emails sent per day. That doesnt even include corp emails.

It doesn't matter if its currently being used against you or not. The mere fact that it COULD be used against you should be enough to outrage you. This is again heading down the slippery slope, actually from this article I'd say we have crashed. The NSA is not above the Constitution of the United States which gives every single one of us unalienable rights we have at BIRTH.

Your e-mail and your instant messages are your digital letters or mail. It is illegal to open your mail without a warrant from the courts, and as such should be illegal to view your electronic mail and conversations without such. You have a clear expectation of privacy in an e-mail or through an instant message. When you address your e-mail, it is to a specific person or persons, you are not addressing it to "The world."

Yes it is clear that internet traffic in and of itself has no expectation of privacy, as it equates to driving to different stores in clear public view. However this issue is very different, it is a clear violation and degradation of our civil liberties and someone or some agency should pay the price and I think that people need to goto JAIL for these violations.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 06:31 PM

[QUOTE=DSM4Life;3744560]

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

If you are not doing anything wrong then why are they watching over you?[/QUOTE
I am not getting tangled up in this. I can't say how,what,where,why or who they are doing this to or why. I am sure they have their reasons and we will find out the truth in about 20 yrs.

seems you have more faith in the Intelligence Agencies than I do.

End of the day I dont want any mug knowing what I am doing. I respect peoples privacy, and i would like that same respect in return. I dont do anything wrong and cannot see why i would ever need to be monitored.
It is things like this that brings out my militant side that makes me want to do something about it. Run for office or join MI5 and Fuk it up from the inside out or something.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

It doesn't matter if its currently being used against you or not. The mere fact that it COULD be used against you should be enough to outrage you. This is again heading down the slippery slope, actually from this article I'd say we have crashed. The NSA is not above the Constitution of the United States which gives every single one of us unalienable rights we have at BIRTH.

Your e-mail and your instant messages are your digital letters or mail. It is illegal to open your mail without a warrant from the courts, and as such should be illegal to view your electronic mail and conversations without such. You have a clear expectation of privacy in an e-mail or through an instant message. When you address your e-mail, it is to a specific person or persons, you are not addressing it to "The world."

Yes it is clear that internet traffic in and of itself has no expectation of privacy, as it equates to driving to different stores in clear public view. However this issue is very different, it is a clear violation and degradation of our civil liberties and someone or some agency should pay the price and I think that people need to goto JAIL for these violations.

Do you expect anyone to disagree with you ? I sure don't.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:34 PM

[QUOTE=Odpierdol_sie!;3744573]

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

seems you have more faith in the Intelligence Agencies than I do.

End of the day I dont want any mug knowing what I am doing. I respect peoples privacy, and i would like that same respect in return. I dont do anything wrong and cannot see why i would ever need to be monitored.
It is things like this that brings out my militant side that makes me want to do something about it. Run for office or join MI5 and Fuk it up from the inside out or something.

I have NO faith in the IA but what can i do about it ?

**thegodfather** · 12-19-2007, 06:41 PM

**Amorphic** · 12-19-2007, 06:42 PM

^^^ that is awesome

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 06:45 PM

On what i said id just like to add i have no faith in any agency that retains eletronic data on people of the general public.
Looking at what has happened in the UK over the last few months with government agency offices losing DVD's containing millions of private details on.
DVLA
Social Services to name two instances
these disks contain data of up to 150million people.

I know im deviating from the point here but its an example that has a use.

NSA CIA M15 M15 who cares? they are all the same, and are not infallible. The only intelligence agency that is worth a shit is Mossad, at least if they collect info you know it will never be released and if you are doing something wrong you know they will take you out. They wont sit there wanking off to your dirty IM to some guy who is posing as a hot 21 year old student sending you pictures of her playing with her minge when really the fat guy got them off the hun and is pulling himself round his room while he watches you do the same, and behind it all, the NSA have the potential to watch in to.
If i worked for the NSA its the kinda stuff id be watching out for girls with their titties out and rubbing a big fat cuccumber on her snatch aye....
This is the real reason i aint happy about their freedom of grabbing data.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=Odpierdol_sie!;3744593]On what i said id just like to add i have no faith in any agency that retains eletronic data on people of the general public.
Looking at what has happened in the UK over the last few months with government agency offices losing DVD's containing millions of private details on.
DVLA
Social Services to name two instances
these disks contain data of up to 150million people.

QUOTE]

Give them DVD's to my mother she doesnt lose @#$%. I been praying she would lose my naked baby pics but nope, she still shows them off

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=DSM4Life;3744598]

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

On what i said id just like to add i have no faith in any agency that retains eletronic data on people of the general public.
Looking at what has happened in the UK over the last few months with government agency offices losing DVD's containing millions of private details on.
DVLA
Social Services to name two instances
these disks contain data of up to 150million people.

QUOTE]

Give them DVD's to my mother she doesnt lose @#$%. I been praying she would lose my naked baby pics but nope, she still shows them off

haha yeah mind you. You know in the UK if she got caught with them she coul d be done for having child pornography and be put on a sex offenders register for up to 10 years as well as maybe having to serve a custodial sentence.

**DSM4Life** · 12-19-2007, 06:53 PM

[QUOTE=Odpierdol_sie!;3744603]

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

haha yeah mind you. You know in the UK if she got caught with them she coul d be done for having child pornography and be put on a sex offenders register for up to 10 years as well as maybe having to serve a custodial sentence.

Really ? ............ for Xmas i just got her a one way plane ticket to the UK WOHOO.

**Panzerfaust** · 12-19-2007, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Das ist gut!

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=DSM4Life;3744609]

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

Really ? ............ for Xmas i just got her a one way plane ticket to the UK WOHOO.

LOl man you are cruel

**Atomini** · 12-19-2007, 06:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVXj8F9Fmk

"This country is finished"

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 12-19-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVXj8F9Fmk

"This country is finished"

That's nothing, I heard yesterday that BBC Radio 1 has censored the biggest UK Christmas song ever because the word "faggot" is used in one of the verses.
Fairy tale of Newyork by the Pogues featuring Kirsty MacColl has been played on TV and Radio for over 2 decades but this year it is unacceptable for some reason, talk about PC gone over the top.
Im outraged, people need to WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!