Very Disturbing Executive Order.....

[convalescence69]

This is a real executive order issued by the President :http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070717-3.html

Read it thoroughly, read the kind of language they are using...
"(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"
"(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people" Combining this with the patriot act... implies some very nightmarish scenarios...
We can be searched and wire tapped without a warrant. We can be arrested, held without being charged. Flown to cuba and waterboarded. All under the "suspicion" clause.
"Undermining efforts" could just be speaking out against the war. "Significant risk".... what does that mean? Who decides what is significant? Before, it used to be a judge, presented with evidence and he/she decided if there was just cause for a warrant, etc. Now, they can just come get you.
"b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person. " Goods and services? What if I sell a sandwich oneday to someone the gov things is a terrorist or a conspirator? Am I now part of the terrorist group?
Read the language they use, look at how incredibly wide the margins are. Think about it. They could arrest you for just about anything they wanted, make some sh*t up, and hold you indefinitely.

One other thing to consider... This recent event with the Iranian speed boats "harassing" our battleships (again, think about that a sec, speed boats harassing battleships...). Does it sound similar to the Bay of Tonkin? The incident that was a justification to go to war in Vietnam? That NEVER happend! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Seems like some serious sh*t is being set up. Watch your asses guys.

[nyjetsfan86]

This is a real executive order issued by the President :http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070717-3.html

Read it thoroughly, read the kind of language they are using...
"(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"
"(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people" Combining this with the patriot act... implies some very nightmarish scenarios...
We can be searched and wire tapped without a warrant. We can be arrested, held without being charged. Flown to cuba and waterboarded. All under the "suspicion" clause.
"Undermining efforts" could just be speaking out against the war. "Significant risk".... what does that mean? Who decides what is significant? Before, it used to be a judge, presented with evidence and he/she decided if there was just cause for a warrant, etc. Now, they can just come get you.
"b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person. " Goods and services? What if I sell a sandwich oneday to someone the gov things is a terrorist or a conspirator? Am I now part of the terrorist group?
Read the language they use, look at how incredibly wide the margins are. Think about it. They could arrest you for just about anything they wanted, make some sh*t up, and hold you indefinitely.

One other thing to consider... This recent event with the Iranian speed boats "harassing" our battleships (again, think about that a sec, speed boats harassing battleships...). Does it sound similar to the Bay of Tonkin? The incident that was a justification to go to war in Vietnam? That NEVER happend! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Seems like some serious sh*t is being set up. Watch your asses guys.

im sure this is all true but dont use wikepedia as your source in the end. wikepedia's info is not reliable

[convalescence69]

im sure this is all true but dont use wikepedia as your source in the end. wikepedia's info is not reliable

Here then, actual NSA document about Gulf of Tonkin incident, declassified. http://www.nsa.gov/vietnam/releases/relea00012.pdf

[soulstealer]

I'm tell you man... I listen to the alex jones show and watched all this crap about the elites rounding us up into fema camps and stuff and I was like "I call bullshit"... but then after reading the Patriot Act(s) and the home grown terrorist act and all the executive orders bush has put into place it really makes me start wondering if the hardcore conspiracy guys are right and their is such an agenda...

[SMCengineer]

im sure this is all true but dont use wikepedia as your source in the end. wikepedia's info is not reliable

Yep, I've seen some messed up info on wikepedia.