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    DANGEROUS bill requiring all citizens 18-42yrs old to perform 'National Service'

    H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007
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    Introduced: Jan 10, 2007
    Sponsor: Rep. Charles Rangel [D-NY]
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    HR 393 IH


    110th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    H. R. 393
    To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.


    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


    January 10, 2007

    Mr. RANGEL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned


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    A BILL
    To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

    (a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2007'.

    (b) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

    Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.


    TITLE I--NATIONAL SERVICE

    Sec. 101. Definitions.

    Sec. 102. National service obligation.

    Sec. 103. Induction to perform national service.

    Sec. 104. Two-year period of national service.

    Sec. 105. Implementation by the President.

    Sec. 106. Examination and classification of persons.

    Sec. 107. Deferments and postponements.

    Sec. 108. Induction exemptions.

    Sec. 109. Conscientious objection.

    Sec. 110. Discharge following national service.

    Sec. 111. Registration of females under the Military Selective Service Act.

    Sec. 112. Relation of title to registration and induction authority of Military Selective Service Act.


    TITLE II--FAVORABLE TREATMENT OF COMBAT PAY UNDER EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT MADE PERMANENT

    Sec. 201. Favorable treatment of combat pay under earned income tax credit made permanent.


    TITLE I--NATIONAL SERVICE

    SEC. 101. DEFINITIONS.

    In this title:

    (1) The term `contingency operation' has the meaning given that term in section 101(a)(13) of title 10, United States Code.

    (2) The term `military service' means service performed as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services.

    (3) The term `national service' means military service or service in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and service related to homeland security.

    (4) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense with respect to the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard, the Secretary of Commerce, with respect to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, with respect to the Public Health Service.

    (5) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.

    (6) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.


    SEC. 102. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

    (a) Obligation for Service- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this title unless exempted under the provisions of this title.

    (b) Forms of National Service- The national service obligation under this title shall be performed either--

    (1) as a member of an active or reserve component of the uniformed services; or

    (2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and service related to homeland security.

    (c) Age Limits- A person may be inducted under this title only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 42.


    SEC. 103. INDUCTION TO PERFORM NATIONAL SERVICE.

    (a) Induction Requirements- The President shall provide for the induction of persons described in section 102(a) to perform their national service obligation.

    (b) Limitation on Induction for Military Service- Persons described in section 102(a) may be inducted to perform military service only if--

    (1) a declaration of war is in effect;

    (2) the President declares a national emergency, which the President determines necessitates the induction of persons to perform military service, and immediately informs Congress of the reasons for the declaration and the need to induct persons for military service; or

    (3) members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps are engaged in a contingency operation pursuant to a congressional authorization for the use of military force.

    (c) Limitation on Number of Persons Inducted for Military Service- When the induction of persons for military service is authorized by subsection (b), the President shall determine the number of persons described in section 102(a) whose national service obligation is to be satisfied through military service based on--

    (1) the authorized end strengths of the uniformed services; and

    (2) the feasibility of the uniformed services to recruit sufficient volunteers to achieve such end-strength levels.

    (3) provide a mechanism for the random selection of persons to be inducted to perform military service.

    (d) Selection for Induction-

    (1) RANDOM SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- When the induction of persons for military service is authorized by subsection (b), the President shall utilize a mechanism for the random selection of persons to be inducted to perform military service.

    (2) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons described in section 102(a) who do not volunteer to perform military service or are not inducted for military service shall perform their national service obligation in a civilian capacity pursuant to section 102(b)(2).

    (e) Voluntary Service- A person subject to induction under this title may--

    (1) volunteer to perform national service in lieu of being inducted; or

    (2) request permission to be inducted at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.


    SEC. 104. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

    (a) General Rule- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this title shall be two years.

    (b) Grounds for Extension- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this title may be extended--

    (1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

    (2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

    (c) Early Termination- The period of national service for a person under this title shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

    (1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reserve component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

    (2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

    (3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.

    (4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.


    SEC. 105. IMPLEMENTATION BY THE PRESIDENT.

    (a) In General- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this title.

    (b) Matter to Be Covered by Regulations- Such regulations shall include specification of the following:

    (1) The types of civilian service that may be performed in order for a person to satisfy the person's national service obligation under this title.

    (2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily.

    (3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this title, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.

    (4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this title and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons.

    (5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this title, including questions of conscientious objection.

    (6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this title through civilian service.

    (7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this title.

    (c) Use of Prior Act- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this title the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.


    SEC. 106. EXAMINATION AND CLASSIFICATION OF PERSONS.

    (a) Examination- Every person subject to induction under this title shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service.

    (b) Different Classification Standards- The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.


    SEC. 107. DEFERMENTS AND POSTPONEMENTS.

    (a) High School Students- A person who is pursuing a standard course of study, on a full-time basis, in a secondary school or similar institution of learning shall be entitled to have induction under this title postponed until the person--

    (1) obtains a high school diploma;

    (2) ceases to pursue satisfactorily such course of study; or

    (3) attains the age of 20.

    (b) Hardship and Disability- Deferments from national service under this title may be made for--

    (1) extreme hardship; or

    (2) physical or mental disability.

    (c) Training Capacity- The President may postpone or suspend the induction of persons for military service under this title as necessary to limit the number of persons receiving basic military training and education to the maximum number that can be adequately trained.

    (d) Termination- No deferment or postponement of induction under this title shall continue after the cause of such deferment or postponement ceases.


    SEC. 108. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS.

    (a) Qualifications- No person may be inducted for military service under this title unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary concerned for training and meets the same health and physical qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of the Armed Forces.

    (b) Other Military Service- No person shall be liable for induction under this title who--

    (1) is serving, or has served honorably for at least six months, in any component of the uniformed services on active duty; or

    (2) is or becomes a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, the United States Merchant Marine Academy, a midshipman of a Navy accredited State maritime academy, a member of the Senior Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or the naval aviation college program, so long as that person satisfactorily continues in and completes at least two years training therein.


    SEC. 109. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

    (a) Claims as Conscientious Objector- Nothing in this title shall be construed to require a person to be subject to combatant training and service in the uniformed services, if that person, by reason of sincerely held moral, ethical, or religious beliefs, is conscientiously opposed to participation in war in any form.

    (b) Alternative Noncombatant or Civilian Service- A person who claims exemption from combatant training and service under subsection (a) and whose claim is sustained by the local board shall--

    (1) be assigned to noncombatant service (as defined by the President), if the person is inducted into the uniformed services; or

    (2) be ordered by the local board, if found to be conscientiously opposed to participation in such noncombatant service, to perform national civilian service for the period specified in section 104(a) and subject to such regulations as the President may prescribe.


    SEC. 110. DISCHARGE FOLLOWING NATIONAL SERVICE.

    (a) Discharge- Upon completion or termination of the obligation to perform national service under this title, a person shall be discharged from the uniformed services or from civilian service, as the case may be, and shall not be subject to any further service under this title.

    (b) Coordination With Other Authorities- Nothing in this section shall limit or prohibit the call to active service in the uniformed services of any person who is a member of a regular or reserve component of the uniformed services.


    SEC. 111. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

    (a) Registration Required- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

    (1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

    (2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

    (3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

    (b) Conforming Amendment- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.


    SEC. 112. RELATION OF TITLE TO REGISTRATION AND INDUCTION AUTHORITY OF MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

    (a) Registration- Section 4 of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 454) is amended by inserting after subsection (g) the following new subsection:

    `(h) This section does not apply with respect to the induction of persons into the Armed Forces pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2007.'.

    (b) Induction- Section 17(c) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 467(c)) is amended by striking `now or hereafter' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `inducted pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2007.'.


    TITLE II--FAVORABLE TREATMENT OF COMBAT PAY UNDER EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT MADE PERMANENT

    SEC. 201. FAVORABLE TREATMENT OF COMBAT PAY UNDER EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT MADE PERMANENT.

    (a) In General- Clause (vi) of section 32(c)(2)(B) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (defining earned income) is amended to read as follows:

    `(vi) a taxpayer may elect for any taxable year to treat amounts excluded from gross income by reason of section 112 as earned income.'.

    (b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall apply to taxable years ending after December 31, 2006.

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    Not gonna happen

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    I agree, that bill will not make it through

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    It's not going to happen Rangel has been trying this for years!!!

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    how old is rangel, 43?

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    Sounds like nazi germany or russia before ww2 The nazis had a way of icing over bad shlt too

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    next they will call it the father or mother usa

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    America 1776-2009

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    the german men still forced to serve in the military or a civil job for 10months

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    Well, I guess I'll be the discenting voice here, but I honestly have nothing against a year of mandatory "public service" between high school and college.

    Notice I said "public service" and not military service.

    There are all sorts of public service jobs, from working for a volunteer fire dept to service to the elder, military, coast guard, auxiliary police, youth clubs, red cross...

    My opinion is that the current generation of youths have absolutely no respect for anyone and most are a in completely out of control "me me me" generation. I think that a year of service to others may open their eyes to the realities of the world and will surely make them better citizens and society can only benefit. Many high schools have already started to require community service from their students to try and combat that trend.

    There is nothing "nazi" or "communist" about serving your country or community... as a matter of fact I can think of nothing more patriotic. In the immortal words of JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

    Just my opinion of course... I'll admit I am biased as I have spend my whole adult life in service to my community in one way or another.

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    Sounds like slave labor for 1 year..

    THIS IS A COMMUNIST IDEA!!!!!!!!

    NO WAY!!!
    COMMUNISM IS BAD...
    anyone who supports this bill shoot be shot, they are degenerative to the human condition!!!

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    As long as uniformed services include the police, Im fine with it for myself, but its B.S. for anyone else.

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    patriotism isnt really patriotism if its forced. also with the jobs or services you mentioned, the quality of work would drop considerable. have you ever had to work with someone that really didnt want to be there? you find yourself doing everything and the other person b1tching the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooks View Post
    Sounds like slave labor for 1 year..

    THIS IS A COMMUNIST IDEA!!!!!!!!

    NO WAY!!!
    COMMUNISM IS BAD...
    anyone who supports this bill shoot be shot, they are degenerative to the human condition!!!
    You tell them pooks, kids are so dumb now that they have no idea how to right a check They need to teach them business and how stuff is made. Machining, moulding, chemistry as it relates to products, etc. Nusrsing homes are an american thing, other countries take care of their old, we keep them so called living and cast them aside to die slowly, wtf? Our kids have no idea how to run a business or to manage anything when they leave school, wtf were they doing for 12 years? i was dumb as a brick when I left high school but they want to keep you dumb so you have to go to college and pay them, hell they could get the same amounbt of education in the first 12 years if they thru out the bs

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    Ok kids on april, 4th in the year who gives a fuk, what was the mother fukers name that did nobody gives a shlt? They should highlight it and move on to how shlt is made and ran.

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    They should just give a very quick glimse of evolution and religion (like one day) and move the fuk on. The thug gansta shlts dancing in class wasting time need to move the fuk on.

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    Lean on me was a great movie "what good is mozart when they can't even go out and get a job" "That's why I threw those bastards out and that all I'm going to say" he's the man

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    I like the idea of national service but not for the military. I was in the Marine Corps and I would not want to fight next to someone who was forced to be there. I wrote a paper on this last semester andin my research I found lots of polls and stuff from kids 18-22 and 68% of them said they would choose the military so there would not have to be a draft for all the people who did not want to be there. There are plenty of other jobs that could be implemented in a national service like peace corps, americorps, or new stuff could be developed to serve in the US and help the US at the same time. Like I said above I am in favor of something like this I think it would bring a more national pride and would make people feel like they earned there citizenship and all the great rights we have that many people faught and died for many years ago instead of just thinking we deserve them just because we were born here and will not do anything in most peoples lives to help their country.

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    This sound like a great idea......for America's INMATE POPULATION ONLY.

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    iono, i can see both sides of the argument, itll never pass though so no worries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup View Post
    There is nothing "nazi" or "communist" about serving your country or community... as a matter of fact I can think of nothing more patriotic. In the immortal words of JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

    Just my opinion of course... I'll admit I am biased as I have spend my whole adult life in service to my community in one way or another.

    Red

    Yes, when you are compelled to SERVE anyone, including your country, that is a Totalitarian policy. If you take one moment to notice, you can easily see how this bill could be abused. The evil "terrorists" are attacking America, only they aren't really, the politicians in Washington just say they are, and since this war has no end, and this enemy (the terrorists) are not clearly defined, they could say we're under attack from "terrorists" everyday, and implement this bill, essentially making 1/3 of the US population servants.

    This guy should be kicked out of office for even proposing such a thing.

    Second, no one should be compelled to service in a free society, unless it is directly for the purpose of national security in a DECLARED STATE OF WAR (BY CONGRESS)

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    Kiss my ass USA. Perform National nothing.

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    I'm not religious at all...

    but I'll throw out some bible stuff, for those that might be i guess hahah..

    We're only supposed to serve one god..
    if we serve or get indebted into anything else we lose faith in that one god.. cause we get caught up into other things and lose sight.

    so serving country, or some other form of idolotry.. we'll screw u all up..
    and umm, same goes for running up a debt and being a slave to your collectors.. u get screwed!!!! lol

    So just screw being anyone slave, and live your life, free of lame ass obligations..

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    Keep it voluntary, otherwise your lowering the quality of service. I wouldn't want people working with me or for me who didn't want to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renesis View Post
    Kiss my ass USA. Perform National nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DNoMac View Post
    Keep it voluntary, otherwise your lowering the quality of service. I wouldn't want people working with me or for me who didn't want to be there.
    Keeping it voluntary should be the least of the concerns regarding this bill. Have you read some of the whacked out executive orders the Pres has been enacting? Along with the Patriot Act? Godfather is right.
    It is a way to immediately summon up a massive military force to achieve the goals of elitist scum.
    Service is optional, for those that think there is something worth defending and feel strongly enough to do so. Otherwise it becomes a dictatorship.

    What we should do is after Congress decides to go to war is let the military make an independent vote on whether or not they think it is a worthy battle that they'd be honored to fight in. Mind you we can't have them refuse deployment, but I think if the troops were polled it would sway public opinion when they see the numbers way low. Those are our brothers, sons, sisters and daughters over there. Watch this soldiers opinion of the war http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti4nag21_Cc I praise this guy for speaking up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    Keeping it voluntary should be the least of the concerns regarding this bill. Have you read some of the whacked out executive orders the Pres has been enacting? Along with the Patriot Act? Godfather is right.
    It is a way to immediately summon up a massive military force to achieve the goals of elitist scum.
    Service is optional, for those that think there is something worth defending and feel strongly enough to do so. Otherwise it becomes a dictatorship.

    What we should do is after Congress decides to go to war is let the military make an independent vote on whether or not they think it is a worthy battle that they'd be honored to fight in. Mind you we can't have them refuse deployment, but I think if the troops were polled it would sway public opinion when they see the numbers way low. Those are our brothers, sons, sisters and daughters over there. Watch this soldiers opinion of the war http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti4nag21_Cc I praise this guy for speaking up!
    OMG are you serious? That is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rana173 View Post
    OMG are you serious? That is one of the funniest things I have ever read.
    Dude, read the sentence right after that, don't be a selective douche. THey should be polled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    Dude, read the sentence right after that, don't be a selective douche. THey should be polled.
    Hey douche bag, service in the military before you make that assumption. Polled? Get real, stop hanging out in the back and do something for your country, stop crying about it.

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    The public has no idea what the soldiers think about whats going on over there. THe politicians manipulate the soldiers opinions by speaking on their behalf, watch that clip I linked. Interview some real soldiers, poll them and release the poll to the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    The public has no idea what the soldiers think about whats going on over there. THe politicians manipulate the soldiers opinions by speaking on their behalf, watch that clip I linked. Interview some real soldiers, poll them and release the poll to the public.
    That is BS, Total BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Hey ass, I was in Iraq ALL OF 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    So you think whats going on over there is a good thing? You like being deployed over there? Blackwater paying ex-soldiers 100k a year to protect private contractors while the soldiers get paid a 3rd of that to patrol the streets and get shot at? This sounds good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    So you think whats going on over there is a good thing? You like being deployed over there? Blackwater paying ex-soldiers 100k a year to protect private contractors while the soldiers get paid a 3rd of that to patrol the streets and get shot at? This sounds good?
    Yes, We all make a choice to either sit home and do nothing (such as yourself) or serve our country. I have many friends with blackwater and I took a major pay cut to go over there. I showed my kids what it is to make a commitment to there country and not myself!!!!!!!!!

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    You go a long way to defend the government with your words but you are a hypocrit. You are on a steroid forum defending the same corrupt Gov that would lock you up for YEARS if they knew you were using. Re-evaluate your convictions, that is something I am not affraid to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by convalescence69 View Post
    You go a long way to defend the government with your words but you are a hypocrit. You are on a steroid forum defending the same corrupt Gov that would lock you up for YEARS if they knew you were using. Re-evaluate your convictions, that is something I am not affraid to do.
    Are you serious, you are comparing being on a forum to serviing your country? You think I agree with everything the country does? Dude you have a lot to learn about life before you make those assumptions. Locked up for years? Who has ever been locked up for years for using?
    Let me guess, you are voting for Ron Paul, if he does not make it I am sure you will vote for Obama or I am sure you have stated in the past that you will move out of this country?

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    Ok...gonna try this again.

    Personally after seeing the decline of attitudes of young recruits over the last 10 years I'm not sure I would want to serve with people that didn't want to be in the military. I've seen some messed up shit accomplished by people that just wanted out of the service any way they can. I think compulsary service in our country would be a bad thing. Not in the military anyway. I don't want anyone in an armed service that doesn't want to be. If they kept it to civil service where they would not be manning weapon systems, flying planes or taking up arms....fine.

    On a slightly different topic....in the year 2008, where women are serving along side men in virtually every career field (aside from SF and Subs) why are women NOT included in the required Selective Service draft? What do you guys think about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi View Post
    Ok...gonna try this again.

    Personally after seeing the decline of attitudes of young recruits over the last 10 years I'm not sure I would want to serve with people that didn't want to be in the military. I've seen some messed up shit accomplished by people that just wanted out of the service any way they can. I think compulsary service in our country would be a bad thing. Not in the military anyway. I don't want anyone in an armed service that doesn't want to be. If they kept it to civil service where they would not be manning weapon systems, flying planes or taking up arms....fine.

    On a slightly different topic....in the year 2008, where women are serving along side men in virtually every career field (aside from SF and Subs) why are women NOT included in the required Selective Service draft? What do you guys think about that?
    I don't believe in conscription in the US.
    Sure why they are not required, I guess it's old school thinking

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    I'm sure if they tried to change it, you'd see a lot of people that fight for "equal rights" for women, not wanting that to be equal.
    1. Once a cheat always a cheat!
    2. YES, SHE can get pregnant the first time!
    3. NO, PULLING out IS NOT a RELIABLE method of Birth Control. DAMMMMIT..... Wrap that shyte UP!!

    Women over 30 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.

    For all those men who say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". Here's an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage, why? Because women realize it's not worth buying an entire Pig, just to get a little sausage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando_Barbi View Post
    I'm sure if they tried to change it, you'd see a lot of people that fight for "equal rights" for women, not wanting that to be equal.
    You nailed that on the head!!!!
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