Does anyone know how to bug/track someone?

[Bojangles69]

Look I can't get into specifics. But I had one of the best ideas in my life today and I was looking on ebay and other places but I'm hoping there's some technology freaks out there who can point me in the right direction.


This is for business purposes, completely legal. It would take too much to get into but its something that can make me a CRAPLOAD of $$. And in the end we are actually doing customers a HUGE favor. It would basically be like a war between McDonalds & Burger King but on a smaller scale with different business's.


I'm looking for a device, with a screen/street names, not quite GPS but something that would have the ability to track say 5 different cars and their EXACT locations at all times.

So I could watch the screen, and see the locations these 5 people are going. I'm not even sure if you would call it a "tracker" or what but I'm googling looking for a device like this and can't find one. I discussed this idea with my boss, he loved the idea, and will pay for the device. You can assume what ever details but as obvious as you think my plan may be, its most likely not even close to what you're thinking. But it obviously DOES have a bit to do with spying.

If anyone knows of any devices like this please link me, or if you're a technology freak and know any cheap but accurate brands please let me know of that as well. Thanks brothas! - Bo

[Big]

Lojack?

[rockinred]

Bo, just leave her.. if you suspect her... it is probably true.

[Chitown Raider]

Bo, just leave her.. if you suspect her... it is probably true.

[Prada]

I dont think you can personally track it but I know they can.

http://www.boomerangtracking.com/pag...EN-CA&region=2

[rockinred]

Bo, Ok... I was able to get Chitown to laugh with my comment and that is all I wanted to do because that is the first thing that came to mind..

Ok, first your idea is not original and is very technical... depending on what your goal is with this and how deep your pockets are you can do a lot of different things...

first if you need to track employees for accountablity there are many systems that are engineered... one method of tracking an employees time and where abouts would be to implement a system with rules that would require them to log their where abouts with times and mileage and names. this system can be worked over by employees, but if you are a smart person you know how long it takes ... if you are hunting for theft then it is a little different.. a camera stage will take care of that. You can even engineer this system to give certain standards and levels of productivity that depends on the info they put from vehicle mileage and time..etc...

If you have deeper pockets there are different companies that already market products that track exactly like you stated... they either use satellites or cell towers and it can be monitored the way you are asking tied into gps or different software that reads streets etc....with a piece installed on the vehicle to communicate with the satellites and or towers.. what usually happens is a company will then develope some software that feeds that information into the company's system and the system will recognize it and they also enhance it so you can throw in your specs for what you are really trying to accomplish with your company or industry..

EATON VORAD is one that comes to mind.

So there you have this information.

[firmechicano831]

I've talked to some guys from UPS and they already have it in there trucks. They can't stop for a long time at a place or else they will get a call. lol

[DNoMac]

Launch a satellite.

[sphincter]

Launch a satellite.

yeah and it's relatively cheap to do at around $400MM for a small, low tech one

[_CrossroadS_]

I worked at a mail service company. I managed the Pick-up Drivers. They were all given nextel cell phones with gps tracking capabilities. I had a computer in my office. It was mainly so I could give them alternate routes around traffic or to new customers, but when guys are late, I could track em.

[tjpatrick1987]

Bojangles im sorry but you sound like your trying to stalk someone.... GPS is the best thing if its buisness related otherwise i dont see why it is your buisness to know......its kinda CREEPY... IM SORRY I WOULDNT HELP THIS GUY OUT ANYMORE>

[kman]

Look I can't get into specifics. But I had one of the best ideas in my life today and I was looking on ebay and other places but I'm hoping there's some technology freaks out there who can point me in the right direction.


This is for business purposes, completely legal. It would take too much to get into but its something that can make me a CRAPLOAD of $$. And in the end we are actually doing customers a HUGE favor. It would basically be like a war between McDonalds & Burger King but on a smaller scale with different business's.


I'm looking for a device, with a screen/street names, not quite GPS but something that would have the ability to track say 5 different cars and their EXACT locations at all times.

So I could watch the screen, and see the locations these 5 people are going. I'm not even sure if you would call it a "tracker" or what but I'm googling looking for a device like this and can't find one. I discussed this idea with my boss, he loved the idea, and will pay for the device. You can assume what ever details but as obvious as you think my plan may be, its most likely not even close to what you're thinking. But it obviously DOES have a bit to do with spying.

If anyone knows of any devices like this please link me, or if you're a technology freak and know any cheap but accurate brands please let me know of that as well. Thanks brothas! - Bo

Bugging or tracking someone without there permission is highly illegal and you will get in a lot of trouble. This is something police and fbi do not take lightly. With that being said, There are companies that install tracking devices for parents to keep track of there teenage kids. Contact a company that does that and I'm sure they will point you in the right direction, but keep in mind what I said!! There are also plenty of companies that do sweeps for bugs and tracking devices, so if they caught you they will sue and prosecute you, and rest assure you will do some jailtime!!!!!

[Fordfan01]

Bojangles im sorry but you sound like your trying to stalk someone.... GPS is the best thing if its buisness related otherwise i dont see why it is your buisness to know......its kinda CREEPY... IM SORRY I WOULDNT HELP THIS GUY OUT ANYMORE>

its for his work ...... if ur not gonna help then y post?

[qualityclrk1]

do you happen to work for a car dealership?.....i worked for one and we had a "buy here, pay here" deal.....but the people who opted into that, we'd put a tracker in their dash behind their factory radio, and i'm pretty sure even if they were to swap for an aftermarket, the tracker would still be place....i'm from illinois, and we tracked a car one time that was abandoned in florida...i'll see the owner of the lot this weekend, i'll send you a PM when i find out where he got them...

[Bojangles69]

I haven't been on in a little bit but I just read all the responses now and thanks everyone who commented.

The interesting thing is I mentioned this idea to my brothers best friend who's been a cop for 3 years and he said it "sounds illegal" but he wasn't exactly sure of how illegal or even if it really was illegal in the first place.
I brought up the fact like this to him-

If PARENTS can legally track their children, and bosses can legally track their employees, how does it all a sudden become ILLEGAL to track someone you don't know?

To get a little deeper into the ploy.
What we'd be doing is something like this. We have a MAJOR business and a trend this business follows. Than we have a minor business and a trend they follow. (so realistically is not like a war between Micky D's and Burger King, but it was just for the concept).

I mentioned "trends" for a specific reason.

You have one business who spends $300,000 a month on advertising and to make up for this cost they transfer their advertising fees onto the customer and the majority of customers don't realize they're not really paying for a service but they are wasting a great deal of $ on the advertising the business does to actually find them.

Than you have another business who spends no money on advertising. They do the SAME exact service but do it significantly cheaper. The last job I went on this business opened up at 15 grand and came down to 13 before closing the deal. Our business came in at 8 grand and closed it in 30mins. They call up and cancel with the larger business, as we explain they're essentially getting ripped off and a great deal of the larger business profit is going directly into advertising.

Anytime we go into a customers home and hear "I just put in a deposit with ____ (the larger business)" we KNOW we are going to close the deal with them.
But if we go in w/out this business coming in first, the whole stratedy loses its affect.

Theres no science to it, it just happens at chance at this point. So I was thinking of a way we can not make this happen "by chance" anymore and to know what houses men from this business are going to so we can hit them up the following day (they have 3 days to cancel with the larger business after a deposit).

So the idea of tracking came into play. We know on average it takes much longer to close a deal than to not close a deal. If a customers not interested guys will generally be out of the house in less than an hour. If they ARE it can take them up to 3 hours to close the deal. In this respect we KNOW the customers is serious about getting the work done and the salesman most likely closed the deal.
We've also had customers explain "I couldn't sleep at all last night because something just didn't feel right about going with ______". Than we explain "You're getting ripped off and your paying for advertising fees almost as much as your paying for the service".

Its not uncommon for customers to literally want to hug us when we leave because they're not exactly savy to whats really going on.

So my idea was to set up appointments from people with this business w/out the intent of buying their service. Just to get the salesman out to the house. Than drop a bug in their bumper when their at the house. You can on average get 2-3 different guys out to one house by calling up and saying "look I'm interested in the service but I did not like the salesman you sent out". They ALWAYS will send out a different guy. Than you get his car too.

You set up 3 different locations and you can get between 6-9 guys on your tracker. You KNOW theres about a 90% chance of closing the deal if this business has already been to their house. But if you show up first chances of closing are more around 15-20%.

The only way I saw this working against us was simply the factor of greed. And stealing ALL of their customers. They'd obviously notice and have some form of investigation. BUT we don't NEED to do that. We can be selective and only take 3-4 of their jobs a week, close them, it would only very slightly increase their cancellation rates, and they'd have no motive to think something was up.

It may not sound like a lot but that rate per year would gross me & my brother around 130-150 grand a year. Thats essentially what he was making BEFORE this business came into the scene. We learned the owner knew a millionairre and Florida and was able to get a loan from him to spring his business. And the amount of $ they spend on advertising is ridiculous, than the customers always winds up paying for it.

So thats the basic gist. Not mentioning the nature of the business but you can get an idea. I have some more work to do researching the law and if it is illegal what kind of penalties there are for it. Even in the case it is illegal, I'm still not sure even if they found the bugs how they could find out who they belong to. Like they say less than 1% of people who commit id fraud are caught for it, some things just can't be traced. I obviously don't want to get involved in anything illegal. But I want to take a logical look at every possible factor I can before I make any decisions.

[rockinred]

Bo, the ethical issue here is not taking the customers away... that is the way business works... the issue here is the bugging... I am almost certain it will back fire and will probably hold up in court and reboud against you and the company you work for and they will take you or both to the cleaners. If you are serious about this I think there can be a more discreet way and one that is more ethically sound... If it is a bug, then you are
A) have to plant it...
B) leaving evidence behind....

believe me they will catch you buggin w/ film and then they will show all the vehicles with bugs... and it will hold up in a civil case.

[kman]

If you don't own the car, then it's Illegal !!!!!!!!

[PEWN]

any one else get the creeps about this thread ...

[Doc.Sust]

any one else get the creeps about this thread ...

yep!

[Bojangles69]

Bo, the ethical issue here is not taking the customers away... that is the way business works... the issue here is the bugging... I am almost certain it will back fire and will probably hold up in court and reboud against you and the company you work for and they will take you or both to the cleaners. If you are serious about this I think there can be a more discreet way and one that is more ethically sound... If it is a bug, then you are
A) have to plant it...
B) leaving evidence behind....

believe me they will catch you buggin w/ film and then they will show all the vehicles with bugs... and it will hold up in a civil case.

Ok thanks. I'm obviously not a lawyer but noone I've spoke to (including a cop) was able to pinpoint exactly what law this would be breaking. Which I'm still a bit confused about atm.

[Doc.Sust]

with consent this could be done. otherwise you are walking a fine line

[Bojangles69]

If you don't own the car, then it's Illegal !!!!!!!!

Ok so hypothetically speaking than.

If I was a father (which I'm not) and had a 17 year old daughter I thought was whoring around with some scumbag POS and wanted to track the car but SHE was the owner of the vehicle than she could bring me to court if I tapped it?

I guess that would make sense. Still a bit odd though imo.

[PEWN]

are you a manager at a clothing store and trying to film the changing rooms .... perv....

[Doc.Sust]

Ok so hypothetically speaking than.

If I was a father (which I'm not) and had a 17 year old daughter I thought was whoring around with some scumbag POS and wanted to track the car but SHE was the owner of the vehicle than she could bring me to court if I tapped it?

I guess that would make sense. Still a bit odd though imo.

no she is a minor. you could do that. now if she was 18, she could take you to court

[Bojangles69]

with consent this could be done. otherwise you are walking a fine line

Aha! If thats true thats huge.
Because there are alterior and more discrete ways of doing this (that would require a person obviously rather than a machine). But we already know a few people who work for this business and are fed up with them.
The business practically enslaves the salesman and they get paid on salary not commision which is bs when they're the ones busting their ass to make the sale.
Again it would always be debatable whats right or wrong and the fact that it was their choice to join the company can always be thrown back at me. But the fact that most of the salesman are being paid bare minimums I wouldn't see it to be hard at all to pay them for consent. Everyone has a price imo.
But than in that case I also wouldn't even need to bug their car cause they could simply just tell us the locations.

And than there'd be other factors we'd have to deal with too that I can already see coming into play like guys finding out someone they work with is getting paid more for the same information they're providing because noone would have a universal price and I'm not trying to pay everyone exactly a million dollars just to prevent people from getting jealous. Would obviously have to be a well thought out plan.

[Bojangles69]

are you a manager at a clothing store and trying to film the changing rooms .... perv....

erased - just got your pm dude. No harm no foul.

[Bojangles69]

no she is a minor. you could do that. now if she was 18, she could take you to court

OK lol, I'll remember that if I ever have a daughter that falls in love with a blood or crip.. or both.

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

I'm sure one of the feds that are on here digging up all our personal info and the 9 dbol tabs we ordered can help ya out!

[tjpatrick1987]

I said a week ago and ill say it again this is a creepy thread...

[Bojangles69]

/\ If you said it then and nobody cared why would think anyone would care now?

[kman]

Why don't you just hire a Private investigator to follow, or track whatever it is you want!!! It's 100% legal and a good PI is invincible, that whole bugging thing is asking for trouble. PM me for PI info I have alot

[J*U*icEd]

Why don't you just hire a Private investigator to follow, or track whatever it is you want!!! It's 100% legal and a good PI is invincible, that whole bugging thing is asking for trouble. PM me for PI info I have alot

that sounds like a better idea... and pay him a percentage of the sale(a very small one)

[rockinred]

Why don't you just hire a Private investigator to follow, or track whatever it is you want!!! It's 100% legal and a good PI is invincible, that whole bugging thing is asking for trouble. PM me for PI info I have alot

BINGO!!!

[borntobeblue]

you can get spy phones off ebay, you leave it in the house, ring it, it dosent make a sound or light up and answers itself then you just listen and hear everything thats going on in that room it works a treat. downsides are the range, its limited to the room you leave it in, a big phone bill and if shes screwing him at his place youre done for lol

[goodcents]

yep!

x50

[goodcents]

Ok thanks. I'm obviously not a lawyer but noone I've spoke to (including a cop) was able to pinpoint exactly what law this would be breaking. Which I'm still a bit confused about atm.

Stalking

[goodcents]

It's also a felony

[Bojangles69]

LMAO! Its NOT stalking. Spying if anything. =] (I could be wrong but stalking from what I'm use to hearing is when someone is following someone they're obsessed with usually for sexual reasons, I'm still yet to google the real definition by law but I'll get around to it).
I just think its ridiculous that I can basically get in my car and follow one of these guys but if I want to get a machine to do it for me all a sudden its illegal now.

I suppose both are illegal though but one would just be a million times easier to prove (if they found the bug & who it belonged to).

I DO however like the idea of a PI. I wouldn't imagine their rates would be that cheap but the bugs aren't cheap either. Just that after a few months the bugs would have paid for themself and the PI's you have to keep paying. But for sake of the law I suppose its a much smarter idea.
I'm going to look into it myself kman and if I have trouble I'll shoot you a pm. Great idea though!

[Bojangles69]

Stalking (from Middle English stalk: from Old English bestealcian; akin to Old English stelan to steal) is a legal term for a pattern of offensive behavior involving repeated harassment or other forms of invasion of a person's privacy in a manner that causes fear to its target.

Statutes vary between jurisdiction but may include such acts as:

repeated physical following
unwanted contact (by letter or other means of communication)
observing a person's actions closely for an extended period of time
contacting family members, friends, or associates inappropriately
cyberstalking
Stalking can also include seeking and obtaining the person's personal information in order to contact them; e.g. looking for their details on computers, electoral rolls, personal files and other material with the person's personal details without their consent. Personal details include their date of birth, marital status, home address, email address, telephone number (landline and mobile), where they work, or which school, college or university they go to; and personal information on their family and friends and any other sensitive and confidential information (e.g. medical conditions and disabilities etc.)

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See this is why I didn't want to google it because the law is hard as crap to interpret and wilk is prob the worst place to get law info from but a law dictionary didn't even have the definition for it.

If the "target" DOESN'T know than logically speaking what kind of fear would I be causing them?
I'm also NOT retrieving info from them to contact THEM and harass them. I'm retrieving info from someone else and what I would be doing wouldn't even be considered a form of harassment. If the people aren't interested I just leave, although the majority of the time they WILL be interested just from my experience.

The things I would have against me is:
"Repeated physical following" &
even though I'd actually be retrieving info from someone else the main piece of info I need is the home address. And according to wilks def this IS a violation of the law. As well as the non-consent thing.

Ok f-that lol.. lemme see if I could find a definition for spying. The thing I'm not understanding now is how the hell do PI's have jobs if they're essentially breaking the same laws I am?
That would make a PI like equal to a prostitute in a way as in they both provide illegal services.
And you know what? HOW THE HELL does the tv show "Cheaters" spy on couples who are not even married?
I mean they videotape these people EVERYWHERE, the house, the street, in their car. I'm so confused as to how laws don't apply to this tv show now.


edit: call me weird i personally dgaf (you figure out what that means) I just read the definiton for "spying" and that honestly seems like one of the coolest jobs in the world. Google "espionage" if you're interested. But the idea that people consider INFORMATION so important that they dedicate their lives to hiding it & than other people have the job of using technology to steal thier information is just cool as shit imo.
I mean seriously, look at your social security # for instance. You may not think its that important but anyone with common sense knows that is a little piece of information you just don't go handing out to strangers.
I could prob take this thread wayyy off topic but I don't think this would really be. I mean how many people do you think work for the goverment and are spying on places like Iraq or Baghdad using MUCH more sophisticated technology, breaking the same laws we can't, but since "US is superior" we design laws that don't apply to our government but the citizens.. ?.
One thing one of my history teachers taught me that I'll never forget is theres a HUGE difference between technological superiority and cultural superiority. And how the US has basically used its technological superiority to convince other countries that its culture is superior. Same way we wiped out the indian we still practice today.
We came in with muskets and didn't realize the bow & arrow was superior to the musket because it was silent and didn't take time to load. So than we invented self contained bullets that could be loaded in numbers and all a sudden our "culture" was what we were trying to enforce, when realistically we were just shooting people.

[tjpatrick1987]

any one else get the creeps about this thread ...

obviously people agree with me and im not alone when i say this your little stunt is gunna get you locked up. even if you were telling the truth (I DONT BELIEVE IT CREEP) thats a horrible buisness practice anyways..