Should firemen have to do this?

**paulzane** · 02-22-2008, 10:17 AM

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...t-41-stone-man

**Schmidty** · 02-22-2008, 10:47 AM

LOL im so glad i pay taxes so some fat lazy mother fvckr can get moved 2ft.

**soulstealer** · 02-22-2008, 10:49 AM

1 Stone is what...13lbs? so the guys is freakin 533lbs... geeze and I say if the guy cant move.... then the person feeding him needs to just hand him a bag of veggies and some chicken and say thats all you get until you can get it yourself

**paulzane** · 02-22-2008, 11:05 AM

1 stone is 14 pounds so that makes him 574 pounds

**Red Ketchup** · 02-22-2008, 04:27 PM

The call-outs were made to Mr Marsden's council flat.

Does that mean welfare housing?

We occasionally get called out to assist the ambulance paramedics when they have to evacuate a lardo, but they have a "Fatso unit" with hoists and special heavy duty stretchers... they'll usually call us when they have to deal with stairs.

I've never had to just go "move a fatso" like that though... the only times we're called in is for emergency evacuation.

Red

**_CrossroadS_** · 02-22-2008, 04:57 PM

LMFAO @ "move a fatso"....that's awesome. Who are these freakin' people?

**gixxerboy1** · 02-22-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Red Ketchup

Does that mean welfare housing?

We occasionally get called out to assist the ambulance paramedics when they have to evacuate a lardo, but they have a "Fatso unit" with hoists and special heavy duty stretchers... they'll usually call us when they have to deal with stairs.

I've never had to just go "move a fatso" like that though... the only times we're called in is for emergency evacuation.

Red

My friends a fireman and has told me gets lots of "i've fallen and can't get up" from fatties

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-22-2008, 06:13 PM

being one in the UK i can say its somethign called a "special service call".
Basically meaning that the person using s shoudl get charged for it. Non-emergancies like this happen all the time, up untill the strik the only thing that was written in stone that we had to do was attend fires, the rest has been adopted by the fire authorities over the years, hence there was a strike. Now the proceedure has changed and we have to attend all emergancy calls, they will just be classed on the severity of the incident.

I have been to a few calls like this, but try not to get too involved. Fat people smell bad, esspecially when bed ridden. I have a weak tummy so will more than likley start hurling all over them. Ive come close before now, its kinda funny coz im half spewing my guts up with tears in my eyes but lau***ng at the same time. Last time i did ther was some totally hot ambulance girl there, she was like "oh darling are you ok?" im like "yeah im fine love dont worry bout me im hard as fvck!" (between wretching) haha.

**Schmidty** · 02-22-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

being one in the UK i can say its somethign called a "special service call".
Basically meaning that the person using s shoudl get charged for it. Non-emergancies like this happen all the time, up untill the strik the only thing that was written in stone that we had to do was attend fires, the rest has been adopted by the fire authorities over the years, hence there was a strike. Now the proceedure has changed and we have to attend all emergancy calls, they will just be classed on the severity of the incident.

I have been to a few calls like this, but try not to get too involved. Fat people smell bad, esspecially when bed ridden. I have a weak tummy so will more than likley start hurling all over them. Ive come close before now, its kinda funny coz im half spewing my guts up with tears in my eyes but lau***ng at the same time. Last time i did ther was some totally hot ambulance girl there, she was like "oh darling are you ok?" im like "yeah im fine love dont worry bout me im hard as fvck!" (between wretching) haha.

Were those ur exact words??? lol

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-24-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Were those ur exact words??? lol

Yeah they were. Was one of them situations where you are not really sure what to say, you just say the first thign that comes in to your head.... me trying to use a bit of irony and be witty with it... she got it though and giggled, you know the type of giggle girls do when they are kind of flirting, but she had more things on here mind than flirting with me, and i had one goal... to get the fvck out of that dump!

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-24-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Red Ketchup

Does that mean welfare housing?

I've never had to just go "move a fatso" like that though... the only times we're called in is for emergency evacuation.

Red

Same here, i hate the jobs that you use to do in "good will". Got called to a home one to move a old guy up stairs, i didnt know what the score was. Looked nice and tidy place from outside. got throught the door and the smell of shit hit me like a double decker bus loaded with a couple hundered texans. Got through the door and it was like slow motion, you know the ones noooooOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOO! yeah doorwas closing behind me and i was trying to get out, but as there is a safety system the electric door release was 9 feet away from the door and i was like banging on it going let me the fvck out, spewing down the inside of my shirt.

Only "go move a fatty job" ive been to was a 35 stone woman, who was dead already but the taxis drivers (ambulance guys) kept her going until they got her to the hospital.
she was big, they had her on a spine board, with the head blocks like they should be but they were dwarfed by her head and not on the board properly as her head was just too big.

Im lucky enough not to have got the biggest guy in my old station area. They use to get regular calls to move this man who was in the late 40's. They guys said they had to move him in the hospital once, they put a canvas salvage sheet under him and tried moving him that way, said that they were trying to grab hold of his folds but was like a big sloppy pink bag of fat. (like cartman in the beef cake episode of south park).
Said they put the sheet down and he kept on rolling then he endd up ont eh floor as it was no sue trying to stop him as he had built up momentum. Not something you see everyday, haha.

**green22** · 02-25-2008, 09:38 PM

Where Im from we have had to start fining the fat f u c k s for abuse of the 911 system.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-26-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by green22

Where Im from we have had to start fining the fat f u c k s for abuse of the 911 system.

AH LONG LAST a fuvcking fire department with some fvcking common sense! I hate all this "good will" bullshit!

Answer to the first question NO, Firefighters should not have to do that. Reason i joined was to Smash shit up and rescue people in danger.
Last time i smashed some shit up was long long ago.... now im bored shitless because all i fvcking do is put up smoke detectors and pass the day doing worthelss shit that dont need doing (just to look busy).

**Red Ketchup** · 02-26-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

Answer to the first question NO, Firefighters should not have to do that. Reason i joined was to Smash shit up and rescue people in danger.
Last time i smashed some shit up was long long ago.... now im bored shitless because all i fvcking do is put up smoke detectors and pass the day doing worthelss shit that dont need doing (just to look busy).

Well, we're in pressure tactics now as our collective agreement has expired over a year ago and the city is refusing to negociate with us, so we're not doing any "good will" stuff. We run emergency calls and thats all (we do not have the right to strike as we are considered "essencial services").

We also used to get those "good will" calls to go change a battery in some little old lady's smoke detector....

On the other hand we run "first responder" medical calls so that keeps us plenty busy... no need to find something to make us look busy. (First responder = being sent along with the ambulance on priority-1 life treatning ambulance calls as the ambulances are understaffed and can take a long time to arrive here).

Red

**Fordfan01** · 02-26-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Red Ketchup

Well, we're in pressure tactics now as our collective agreement has expired over a year ago and the city is refusing to negociate with us, so we're not doing any "good will" stuff. We run emergency calls and thats all (we do not have the right to strike as we are considered "essencial services").

We also used to get those "good will" calls to go change a battery in some little old lady's smoke detector....

On the other hand we run "first responder" medical calls so that keeps us plenty busy... no need to find something to make us look busy. (First responder = being sent along with the ambulance on priority-1 life treatning ambulance calls as the ambulances are understaffed and can take a long time to arrive here).

Red

my dept is exactly like this

***perfectbeast2001*** · 02-26-2008, 04:19 PM

OMG i was reading this and thinking "bloody fat americans" then I realise its in UK. Jeezus christ 41 stone who the hell is feeding this guy? The police should be called to arrest the feeder then call the fire department to seal off the building. Then wait for 1 month and he should be a lot thinner.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Red Ketchup

Well, we're in pressure tactics now as our collective agreement has expired over a year ago and the city is refusing to negociate with us, so we're not doing any "good will" stuff. We run emergency calls and thats all (we do not have the right to strike as we are considered "essencial services").

We also used to get those "good will" calls to go change a battery in some little old lady's smoke detector....

On the other hand we run "first responder" medical calls so that keeps us plenty busy... no need to find something to make us look busy. (First responder = being sent along with the ambulance on priority-1 life treatning ambulance calls as the ambulances are understaffed and can take a long time to arrive here).

Red

Yeah the taxi drivers take and age to get to most calls here too. If you live in somewhere like london and have a cardiac arrest, you are pretty fooked!

They issued AED's on fire appliances after the strike, but firstly it is for us. When i was up working in Manchester, i think it was one of the spate summers we had back in 03 or 04. One of the older guys dropped dead on a grass fire, so the top brass thought it be a good idea, (since we are trained to use them) that we have them at hand.

Anyway if a member of the public went down then yeah i would imagine most people would use it.

There is talk about using first responders in the fire service in the Uk but there is the issue of the Ambulacne top brass wanting to keep their little empire intact and not have it dictated too by the fire authority.

The reason we are doing what we are doing is because after the strike the fire brigades union signed the fire authoritys a blank cheque (hence im no longer a union memeber).
I voted yes to strike, im not proud of going on stirke but it was something that was a forced issue. The fireservice is better and worse for it now. The level of cover is much worse, but the preperation is better through fire education and protection etc. These are the reasons i am bored in my job, its not the thing i joined for. The public are better off, but at our expense. I have seen the level and quality of fire fighters reduced over the past 8 years. The fire authorities are more interested with tagrets and statistics, (tagets being a higher level of ethnic and female firefighters) everything including training has suffered.

I joied up to be a firefighter, not because i wanted to join a job that wanted me because of my family back ground or sexuality etc. I joined to be the best i can and i have done that.
i have seen the very best of the british fire service turn bitter and leave for greener pastures. Yes there are people to replace them but trust me, not near as good or brave as the guys who are leaving.
Im not being big headed, im speaking from experience. i have had people i admire pat me on the back and say good job kiddo, i have heard people talking, ive heard people say im a guy they would wear with at the drop of a hat. This is something you cant teach, but the only people who know are the people who have been there and done it. Im affraid in Britain today, they are a dying breed.

Red. Green22 and Fordfan01 i hope your department dont go the same way. Stay on your work to rule. Its the only way to keep morale up, you will have more pride in what you do and will want to do a better job when you go to work. Me, i cant wait till home time... there was a time where i use to love the thought of going to work, but those days are long gone, thanks to this new working structure.

I came to a southern county from Manchester (the forefront destroyer of the fireservice) in the premis it was goign to be better. but As its stil in the UK, its exaclty the same... only difference its quieter so the guys arent near as good and the gear we carry is total crap! For guys in the south, if you are going to have a house fire or car crash do it in another brigade other than mine!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 02-27-2008, 01:20 AM

which county you working in mate?

**Amorphic** · 02-27-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

My friends a fireman and has told me gets lots of "i've fallen and can't get up" from fatties

this makes me hate society.

lazy fvcking douchebags.

**qualityclrk1** · 02-27-2008, 03:36 AM

call me wrong, but i don't have a single problem with a fat person......anyone here ever been depressed? and no i don't mean, hey my girlfriend just dumped me, so i'm not going to go out for a couple weekends, or i'm not gonna eat all my dinner depressed- i'm talking DEPRESSED......i was the same way as all you guys "how can someone let themselves get that big? why are they so lazy?"....but after being in the state of depression i can see how people splurge the way they do- life is one hell of a journey, and if someone needs to eat to make themselves happy, then i'm not going to sit and talk shit abuot them....its rough....hopefully none of u experience real depression and yuo can continue thinking that these people are below you, but me- i can see where they're coming from....i hope the fat people can get help for what the problem really is in their life- not the fact they eat too much.... <- thats my response to all you bashing these people.....u guys msut have families and people who care abuot you....u can't even begin to imagine what it'd be like if u were alone!!!.....anyway....lol i don't think firefighters should necessarily handle a call like that, but who else is going to do it?

**qualityclrk1** · 02-27-2008, 03:37 AM

and no ^ i've never been diagnosed with clinical depression of any of that bull shit, but i can just see where they're coming from....

**wascaptain5214** · 02-27-2008, 04:24 AM

i used to like "public service calls" got to mingle with the public and do good deeds for them. and here in the city where i worked, we were taken good care of by our citizens..ie: half price discounts at movies and fast food dives , cookies and cakes dropped off at the stations, and oh how women like firefighters. red, green and ford.......dont let politics interfere with your sworn job to save life and properity, be above that crap-o. good will and stay safe bros.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-27-2008, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by wascaptain5214

i used to like "public service calls" got to mingle with the public and do good deeds for them. and here in the city where i worked, we were taken good care of by our citizens..ie: half price discounts at movies and fast food dives , cookies and cakes dropped off at the stations, and oh how women like firefighters. red, green and ford.......dont let politics interfere with your sworn job to save life and properity, be above that crap-o. good will and stay safe bros.

Politics should not be allowed to get in the way as it is peoples lives on the line, but sadly it is getting in the way.

Like when you have been ordered not to fit PT in to your working day because you have home risk assesments to do and other menial tasks makes you wonder if the authority actually want able bodied firefighters.

I know its different in the states, where i worked in manchester you woudnt accept anything off anyone incase they had done something with it... like on a house fire id rather die of thirst than take a cup of tea off a neighbour or someone like that. But then again we arent held in the same light of firefighters in other countires.

The only ones who hail us as heroes are the low lifes in society, the middle and upper class people think it is wrong if we are not on emergency calls that we be allowed to sit around the station. Hence we do work just to make us look busy, even if the work does not need doing.

The main reason i Left manchest was because they took beds from stations. Now on a 15 hour night shift you have to keep active and do stuff during the night to keep busy. Some people even get disciplined for for sleeping on a floor in the gym, which nearly resulted in them losing their jobs.
Anyone who worked at a tation thant handled 3000+ thousand fires a year will accept that you need some kind of sleep during the night, even if its an hour or two (between callouts), it makes all the differenece. But like i said the majority are middle and upper class who have never required us so they dont see why we sould earn money for sleeping.

The "fatties" actually call us because we are the ONLY ones who can actually help them. They respect that and they respect us for that... but like i said above, in the UK there are only a few kinds of people who do.

1. People with nothing. (lower class, and some middle)

2. Disabled people

3. Old people (world war era)

4. Lower class Children below 9 yr old. Kids above that age generally hasstle us and throw stuff (bricks, stones etc) at us.

**qualityclrk1** · 02-27-2008, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

Politics should not be allowed to get in the way as it is peoples lives on the line, but sadly it is getting in the way.

Like when you have been ordered not to fit PT in to your working day because you have home risk assesments to do and other menial tasks makes you wonder if the authority actually want able bodied firefighters.

I know its different in the states, where i worked in manchester you woudnt accept anything off anyone incase they had done something with it... like on a house fire id rather die of thirst than take a cup of tea off a neighbour or someone like that. But then again we arent held in the same light of firefighters in other countires.

The only ones who hail us as heroes are the low lifes in society, the middle and upper class people think it is wrong if we are not on emergency calls that we be allowed to sit around the station. Hence we do work just to make us look busy, even if the work does not need doing.

The main reason i Left manchest was because they took beds from stations. Now on a 15 hour night shift you have to keep active and do stuff during the night to keep busy. Some people even get disciplined for for sleeping on a floor in the gym, which nearly resulted in them losing their jobs.
Anyone who worked at a tation thant handled 3000+ thousand fires a year will accept that you need some kind of sleep during the night, even if its an hour or two (between callouts), it makes all the differenece. But like i said the majority are middle and upper class who have never required us so they dont see why we sould earn money for sleeping.

The "fatties" actually call us because we are the ONLY ones who can actually help them. They respect that and they respect us for that... but like i said above, in the UK there are only a few kinds of people who do.

1. People with nothing. (lower class, and some middle)

2. Disabled people

3. Old people (world war era)

4. Lower class Children below 9 yr old. Kids above that age generally hasstle us and throw stuff (bricks, stones etc) at us.

crazy

RA · 02-27-2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

OMG i was reading this and thinking "bloody fat americans" then I realise its in UK. Jeezus christ 41 stone who the hell is feeding this guy? The police should be called to arrest the feeder then call the fire department to seal off the building. Then wait for 1 month and he should be a lot thinner.

Exactly..someone is supplying this guy with tons of food everyday. Im all for personal choice but if the fire dept has to be called out all the time to move this fatass around, someone should step in.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-27-2008, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by qualityclrk1

crazy

Yeah, no better word to describe it mate.

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-27-2008, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by roidattack

Exactly..someone is supplying this guy with tons of food everyday. Im all for personal choice but if the fire dept has to be called out all the time to move this fatass around, someone should step in.

Yes i see where you are coming from, but you got to take in to account that some people arent fed chocolate cake for a staple diet. I doubt this woman i pulled out on a spine board did, she was in her late 70's. I heard she had been bed ridden for a very long time. Take in to account how your metabolism will slow from inactivity, the smallest bit of food intake will probably be stored as fat as soon as it passes their lips.
Also many people once they are obease are diabetic so this will not help either, starving a diabetic person is just going to kill them. Bit of a double edged sword, its sad but thats how it happens.
When you see a fatty in a bed who cant move does not generally mean that they eat crap food and are that big becaue the are too idle to lose weight.

When you see people like this it is actually quite upsetting.
People like this exist everywhere, you may even have some on the same street that you live on.
Just coz you dont see them dont mean they dont exist.
Its a shame, and i dont blame the people feeding them. If its a medical problem then there is not much anybody can do about it. Just think of it like being imprisoned in your own body. Only difference these people aint getting parole, these guys are lifers.
Only way out, excersise and risk overloading yoru organs or go on a crash diet and risk killling yourself.
What would you do if faced with the same situation, be it you that is the fatty or a sibling/parent?

RA · 02-27-2008, 01:00 PM

They have to eat enough calories to support 5-600 lb body. You cant blame that on metabolism. Even a diabetic could lose tons eating smaller portions every 2 hours. Some people are fat, I dont hold it against them but I have no respect for one that has let them self go so far that they cant even stand up and walk around.

In this case I say govt intervention.

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

Yes i see where you are coming from, but you got to take in to account that some people arent fed chocolate cake for a staple diet. I doubt this woman i pulled out on a spine board did, she was in her late 70's. I heard she had been bed ridden for a very long time. Take in to account how your metabolism will slow from inactivity, the smallest bit of food intake will probably be stored as fat as soon as it passes their lips.
Also many people once they are obease are diabetic so this will not help either, starving a diabetic person is just going to kill them. Bit of a double edged sword, its sad but thats how it happens.
When you see a fatty in a bed who cant move does not generally mean that they eat crap food and are that big becaue the are too idle to lose weight.

When you see people like this it is actually quite upsetting.
People like this exist everywhere, you may even have some on the same street that you live on.
Just coz you dont see them dont mean they dont exist.
Its a shame, and i dont blame the people feeding them. If its a medical problem then there is not much anybody can do about it. Just think of it like being imprisoned in your own body. Only difference these people aint getting parole, these guys are lifers.
Only way out, excersise and risk overloading yoru organs or go on a crash diet and risk killling yourself.
What would you do if faced with the same situation, be it you that is the fatty or a sibling/parent?

**wascaptain5214** · 02-29-2008, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

Politics should not be allowed to get in the way as it is peoples lives on the line, but sadly it is getting in the way.

Like when you have been ordered not to fit PT in to your working day because you have home risk assesments to do and other menial tasks makes you wonder if the authority actually want able bodied firefighters.

I know its different in the states, where i worked in manchester you woudnt accept anything off anyone incase they had done something with it... like on a house fire id rather die of thirst than take a cup of tea off a neighbour or someone like that. But then again we arent held in the same light of firefighters in other countires.

The only ones who hail us as heroes are the low lifes in society, the middle and upper class people think it is wrong if we are not on emergency calls that we be allowed to sit around the station. Hence we do work just to make us look busy, even if the work does not need doing.

The main reason i Left manchest was because they took beds from stations. Now on a 15 hour night shift you have to keep active and do stuff during the night to keep busy. Some people even get disciplined for for sleeping on a floor in the gym, which nearly resulted in them losing their jobs.
Anyone who worked at a tation thant handled 3000+ thousand fires a year will accept that you need some kind of sleep during the night, even if its an hour or two (between callouts), it makes all the differenece. But like i said the majority are middle and upper class who have never required us so they dont see why we sould earn money for sleeping.

The "fatties" actually call us because we are the ONLY ones who can actually help them. They respect that and they respect us for that... but like i said above, in the UK there are only a few kinds of people who do.

1. People with nothing. (lower class, and some middle)

2. Disabled people

3. Old people (world war era)

4. Lower class Children below 9 yr old. Kids above that age generally hasstle us and throw stuff (bricks, stones etc) at us.

wow! in the rank structure of life.....theres GOD, then firemen...i cant belive the the way yall bros are being treated by the people yall are PROTECTING. even rich people need aid from fireman . i just dont get it. anyways........hats off to yall brothers in the UK! yall got my respect, and if we meet.....the juice is on me

**Red Ketchup** · 02-29-2008, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by Odpierdol_sie!

But like i said the majority are middle and upper class who have never required us so they dont see why we sould earn money for sleeping.

My favorite saying is that "we are not paid for what we do every day, but are paid for what we are trained, ready and willing to do any day".

As the the upper class with their heads up their a$$ you would think that they would be more respectful of the FF's after you guys saved their property and "art" when the queens castle burned a few years ago...

Red

***El Diablo*** · 02-29-2008, 07:46 AM

**** all of this. Arrest the feeder and seal the house off. This should help the ****er to lose weight..I am with PerfectBeast on this one...

**Odpierdol_sie!** · 02-29-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by wascaptain5214

wow! in the rank structure of life.....theres GOD, then firemen...i cant belive the the way yall bros are being treated by the people yall are PROTECTING. even rich people need aid from fireman . i just dont get it. anyways........hats off to yall brothers in the UK! yall got my respect, and if we meet.....the juice is on me

Originally Posted by Red Ketchup

My favorite saying is that "we are not paid for what we do every day, but are paid for what we are trained, ready and willing to do any day".

As the the upper class with their heads up their a$$ you would think that they would be more respectful of the FF's after you guys saved their property and "art" when the queens castle burned a few years ago...

Red

All very true... Sadly its at their own cost. You cant put a price on life, like many brothers i have stood with have seen the result of carelesness of such circumstances.
I dont care to go through it ever again but am prepared... unlike many of those who do not see the value of a quality serivce, or have not been in long enough to know what its like to fall on hard times as a result of toffee nosed pen pushers.

P.S. wascaptain, i may tak you up on that offer one day