The dark side is taking over

[Diary of a Mad-man]

Its been 8 days on my cycle (its been about 2 years or more), and tonight 4 people asked me if i've been working out/using roids/hitting the gym.

But whats REALLY going through my head is, what about week 8-10??????

Its good to be back. SOOOOOO nice. Yay for me. Ive been jealous of you bastards for years now.

[IronReload04]

i cant wait to do my first

[Diary of a Mad-man]

i cant wait to do my first

4000 posts and waiting to do your first???

Well, you will certainly get better gains than most with your education. Good luck to you.

(I only have 100 posts, you're supposed to shoot it into the veins in your arms right?)

[IronReload04]

im 22 man.....I think I still aught to wait till i am 23 or 24. I almost took the plunge at 16....I have beeen waiting that long....its like hell, whats another year.

[WEBB]

i have been dieting for 4 weeks and have lost 15 pounds and i had 2 people ask me if i had gotten/look bigger....hahahaha...i love being on, and i was only off for 3 months....thats long for me though...

as for weeks later on, i think you will find people get used to your look and i find i sgainthe most in the first week and it averages out in the end....what you running man?

[Diary of a Mad-man]

im 22 man.....I think I still aught to wait till i am 23 or 24. I almost took the plunge at 16....I have beeen waiting that long....its like hell, whats another year.

way to be patient, if I knew your age, I wouldnt have shot off at the mouth. Stay smart.

i have been dieting for 4 weeks and have lost 15 pounds and i had 2 people ask me if i had gotten/look bigger....hahahaha...i love being on, and i was only off for 3 months....thats long for me though...

as for weeks later on, i think you will find people get used to your look and i find i sgainthe most in the first week and it averages out in the end....what you running man?

Just the good ol' Test Cyp. I am 28 and I have some half-ass cycles under my belt, before I was educated. For my first cycle, I split it with a friend to "see what it was like and save a little money" . Well, when we loved the results, the source was gone! Live and learn. You do dumb shit when you are young, like injecting things in your ass that you dont really know anything about. I cant say enough good things about this site.

[calgarian]

im 22 man.....I think I still aught to wait till i am 23 or 24. I almost took the plunge at 16....I have beeen waiting that long....its like hell, whats another year.

Well I love the fact that you are not jumping with both feet way to go.Bro..I wish all the young people are that educated.

[IronReload04]

thanks man.....little does this site know.....But you guys talked me out of it probably about 2 or 3 times between the ages of 16-18.....I have alot to be thankful for....



It does kind of suck being left in the dust by other guys my age that are on, but I think my time will come.

[Emilio_Rebenga]

im hungry...gonna go eat some tuna

[abbot138]

Yeah, good for you man. If I could go back and do it all over i would def 100% do it the way you are. Wish I would have known about this site earlier.

[IronReload04]

thanks guys....


theirs just one thing I want to know straight up no bullshit......


Are steroids really an ace card or not? like if you play it to early, you lose?

it wasnt with flex wheeler who did it admittingly from day one, or is he the exception?

[smokeyd]

depends on your body

[ecto9]

i cant wait to do my first

That's good to see member doing his reasearch b4 running a cycle. I hope you log it too bro. I'll be starting my first (inject that is ) soon too!

[ecto9]

thanks guys....


theirs just one thing I want to know straight up no bullshit......


Are steroids really an ace card or not? like if you play it to early, you lose?

it wasnt with flex wheeler who did it admittingly from day one, or is he the exception?

JMHO. From what I've been gathering, training must be up to par
to hang on to the gains after cycling. If one just jumps in w/o a history of dedicated training, Youll blow up real fast, only to loose it later cause of not being able to maintain it.

But then again if you stay on all the time like some of the pros do, well I guess that would be different.


Here's a peice I came accross recently. I believe Longhorn814 wrote it if I'm not mistaken, anywho it came from this board!...

Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundage’s on a cycle. We've all got a "friend" in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same.
We ask ourselves "What is his secret? Is the juice he's taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. Is that what is responsible?" Well, here's the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc.. Isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so "on" that he will gain more than us.

Here's the truth.. and some of you won't like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn't even be using steroids to begin with! And that's the truth! That may sound a bit confusing.. Yes? Well allow me to elaborate:

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so. He's about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5'10" or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He's got a little bit of definition.. Nothing big.. When his shirt is off people can tell he's been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. He doesn't want to wait any longer.. In his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little... finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of Deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190... All of his friends are amazed.. He’s amazed He's put on some size.. He looks like a weight lifter... He doesn't look like someone who could compete.. But he looks like he's finally arrived on the Body building scene. His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle.. He tells them exactly what he did.. How he ate...etc.. Now, a few months go by.. All of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks... "Oh man.. I've got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big... if I don't... I just can't grow; Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want". I guess that's what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here's the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn't need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

It is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn't from the lack of steroids.. It was from a lack of a proper foundation.. A lack of proper training skills and a lack of muscular maturation.

Here's the deal.. guys who need steroids aren't the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. They are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I'll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6'2" .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I'm a powerlifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me). If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle..or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..


My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I'm not on cycle.. But I do drop weight regardless.. And in truth, the only reason my body maintains it's size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. It’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I've worked out in gyms all over the country.. And I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later..It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (And no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat!

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney fu*king Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn't going to be ready for it.. It will literally fight you to keep it.. The sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. And it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it's new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won't even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else..(and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

[IronReload04]

excellent post...


I think I get it now. The closer you are to your genetic potential. The slower aas gains will be. because you are closer to genetic potential, that means you probably have some muscle maturity, and a better capacity to hold onto some extra muscle tissue. since you are not blowing up so much, it is always easier to maintain a smaller amount of new tissue. But dammit if it doesnt add up monstrously over several cycles. Thats the key to playing the game. make maintainable gains.



also, i couldnt agree more wiht muscle maturity. In fact, I think the same thing can be applied in dieting. If you are in a mass phase, and you put on say 30 pounds of muscle over a year or 2 naturally or not. Dont diet down right away, the body needs time for that muscle to "solidify". maintain that mass for 4 or so months, than slowly diet down. Gaurenteed, the ratio of muscle to fat loss will be much better that way. "idea and philosophy of dc"


great post

[Amorphic]

thanks man.....little does this site know.....But you guys talked me out of it probably about 2 or 3 times between the ages of 16-18.....I have alot to be thankful for....



It does kind of suck being left in the dust by other guys my age that are on, but I think my time will come.

some of us have been waiting a long time to get on cycle, i have respect for you bro, i know the wait is a long and painful one...one i am still in the middle of.

[ecto9]

excellent post...





also, i couldnt agree more wiht muscle maturity. In fact, I think the same thing can be applied in dieting. If you are in a mass phase, and you put on say 30 pounds of muscle over a year or 2 naturally or not. Dont diet down right away, the body needs time for that muscle to "solidify". maintain that mass for 4 or so months, than slowly diet down. Gaurenteed, the ratio of muscle to fat loss will be much better that way. "idea and philosophy of dc"


great post

I like that idea as well and am gonna remember it when I come off...

[wilson9d]

im 22 man.....I think I still aught to wait till i am 23 or 24. I almost took the plunge at 16....I have beeen waiting that long....its like hell, whats another year.

good job man.

[IronReload04]

I like that idea as well and am gonna remember it when I come off...

in fact, I will try and dig it up, but their was a thread some time ago on im.com with the BIG DAWGS talking about that very thing.....I gave credit to doggcrapp in that post for that idea.

[IronReload04]

some of us have been waiting a long time to get on cycle, i have respect for you bro, i know the wait is a long and painful one...one i am still in the middle of.

am, do you have an age in mind when you want to start? I am looking so forward to it, but I think your about my age, and at 22, I just dont think you can be so sure development is done.

[Amorphic]

am, do you have an age in mind when you want to start? I am looking so forward to it, but I think your about my age, and at 22, I just dont think you can be so sure development is done.

i started a cycle just 2 weeks ago and it was bunk.

i have new stuff coming next week and i am starting up then. npp/prop

[midnight777]

Its been 8 days on my cycle (its been about 2 years or more), and tonight 4 people asked me if i've been working out/using roids/hitting the gym.

But whats REALLY going through my head is, what about week 8-10??????

Its good to be back. SOOOOOO nice. Yay for me. Ive been jealous of you bastards for years now.

doesn't it take a few weeks or more for any test to kick in

[Diary of a Mad-man]

doesn't it take a few weeks or more for any test to kick in

Wether it does or not, Ive been living at the gym and being 100% dedicated. How much of it is placebo/psychological, I cant tell you. But whatever you say, Ive been feeling it. Go do the math for me and comeback. Tell me how much of it is 100% dedication and how much is test. I know that I was giving about 80% a few weeks ago.

[IronReload04]

i started a cycle just 2 weeks ago and it was bunk.

i have new stuff coming next week and i am starting up then. npp/prop

crummy....How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

[midnight777]

I really think test takes more than 8 days to kick in. Just my 2 cents... who knows.. everybody may be different

[200byjune]

2 weeks is not 8 dasit is 14 days. and he had prop wich is fully kicked i double the half life. so 1 we he should have deffinetly known he was on. sorry for your loss amorphic.

[Diary of a Mad-man]

Guess the dark side will have to wait

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I waited so long to do this cycle, and I just had a punch-biopsy done on an a-corn size growth on my leg. I have stitches from it basicly behind my knee. I had no idea they were going to do anything on me, and they were like "we are taking this out right now". It will only slow me down a week, but a week is too much when you've been waiting for 3 years.

Right when I was feeling like a machine again........DOH!

No legs, no running, no swimming, no low back. no bending my knee basicly.

I;m sure ill be fine slowing down a week, People have worse shit happen to them on this board all the time.

[Oki-Des]

thanks man.....little does this site know.....But you guys talked me out of it probably about 2 or 3 times between the ages of 16-18.....I have alot to be thankful for....



It does kind of suck being left in the dust by other guys my age that are on, but I think my time will come.

Your a smart kid! Congrats on having the brains to learn. You have not missed anything as your time will come soon enough. Then you will be able to receive the most from your actions. Good things come to those who wait, but great things come to those who do it smart!

[Doc.Sust]

im 22 man.....I think I still aught to wait till i am 23 or 24. I almost took the plunge at 16....I have beeen waiting that long....its like hell, whats another year.

smart move. stick to your plan