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    Unhappy Help!... Couldn't Get It Up -- Cialis?


    First off... I apologize for the long thread. I'm really fvcked in the head over this and need some help though please. I really appreciate anyone who reads this that has some experience with Cialis that they can give me...

    You may or may not remember the story about me going on a first date with this new chick and I was all nervous about it. Well long story short... things have been going great. We've gone on quite a few dates, have a great time together, get along really well.

    Here's the shitty part... So the other night we come back to my place after dinner, and we were about to have sex for the first time, and I couldn't get it up -- whatsoever. I continued to please her, and even with continued foreplay my lil' soldier would not stand at attention. I even made an excuse to get up and go to the bathroom where I tried to get it up myself (which I rarely fail at) and I could not get hard.

    Please spare me the gay jokes -- I likely wont find them funny. This was honestly a pretty traumatic experience for me. Never had a problem like this before, and I can't stop thinking about it; it makes me feel like less of a man

    She was really cool about it, but was obviously disappointed as we both came back in the heat of passion, ripped eachothers clothes off, and then I'm sitting there with my limp-dick in my hand while she was waiting for a good shagging. So f'n embarrasing. Anyway; I need to make sure this doesn't happen again. If I get another shot in bed with this chick I cannot afford to disappoint again. In fact, I want to make up for last time too, haha!

    I don't even know what to blame for the problem... there was no lack of desire or libido, I wanted it SOO bad... I just couldn't physically get hard. I've come up with three possible scenarios, or a combination of the two:
    --> I had 2 glasses of wine with dinner (I never drink wine, but I do drink beer/spirits on the weekends (always more than 2 servings) and can still perform fine... can different liquors affect you differently in that way?
    --> Nerves maybe? This was the first time we were going to have sex, and this is the best looking girl I'll have slept with. Maybe I felt like I had to perform to a certain standard and I "psyched myself out?"
    --> I am natural (no AAS yet). I typically workout 4-5 days a week. Due to unusual schedule, etc. I had taken the previous week off of the gym. Could this cause my natty test to lower suddenly?


    I've read quite a bit on the net about it, and I've ordered some Cialis from Lion. I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with the drug or it's similar counterparts (Viagra/Levitra) and if you think it will help me out.

    Here are some questions that I have:

    -I will not be drinking wine (or much of anything) on our next date so that should not be an issue. Just curious though, does Cialis counteract "whiskey-dick?"

    -If I did psych myself out, likely this time will be even worse, as I am and will be very worried about this happening again. Will Cialis help me get it up in this case (take the thought process out of the picture)?

    -I am back on my normal workout schedule... but if reduced test from being out of the gym was the cause, would Cialis help me get hard?

    -What dosage would you reccomend? 10-15mg the morning of, or is the research chemical version less potent than the real stuff?

    -How easily do you get hard with this stuff? I obviously want to be rock-hard in bed, but I don't want to be pitching a tent if I accidentally brush against someone/something in the club or at work or something, haha.



    I'll add any more questions I can think of to this thread, but I really appreciate any opinions or answers anyone can give me. I'm really a head-case over this!
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    By the way, I'm 25, healthy, normal BP, non-smoker, drink socially on weekends, workout regularly, no steroids /hormones/etc. I do take NO, Creatine, and a BCAA Product and had stopped taking them all for the week prior to this incident.

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    So question one, can you get hard just watching porn on your own ? Trust me the more you put yourself down over this the worse it will get. Personally I think there is a Psychological reason for this happening that we have to get to the bottom of.

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    So a naked women couldn't do it for ya huh ?

    What are you do Friday night ?

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    Wow i didn't realize untill the end of the thread that you aren't on gear...I figured it was just normal test shutdown and you did not PCT....Shit i hope someone helps you solve this one man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    So a naked women couldn't do it for ya huh ?

    What are you do Friday night ?
    aw man.... thats not nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    So a naked women couldn't do it for ya huh ?

    What are you doing Friday night ?
    Well obviously not you !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    Well obviously not you !!!
    I guess with his limp hot dog your right !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    So question one, can you get hard just watching porn on your own ? Trust me the more you put yourself down over this the worse it will get. Personally I think there is a Psychological reason for this happening that we have to get to the bottom of.
    Yeah I can. Not as easliy as when I was like 18-20, but still can reliably get it up anytime I put on a porn and start jerkin.

    I agree it's most likely psychological, but I'm hoping since I've never had this problem before, that with a "kickstart" of Cialis to make sure my boner is in tip-top shape next time, that I won't be so worried about it after that and I won't have a problem. I've read about people using it recreationally to be a "sex god" for the weekend, so just hoping it can help me out.

    I know I'm going to worry about it happening again and as much as I know the solution is "be calm and don't worry about it" I know that isn't going to happen. I need some kind of crutch to get over this hurdle


    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    So a naked women couldn't do it for ya huh ?

    What are you do Friday night ?


    Sorry DSM, Not looking to change teams. Good luck recruiting, though! Haha


    Quote Originally Posted by ultra40 View Post
    Wow i didn't realize untill the end of the thread that you aren't on gear...I figured it was just normal test shutdown and you did not PCT....Shit i hope someone helps you solve this one man!
    Yeah no kidding. Thanks man!


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    I guess with his limp hot dog your right !
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    i thought you were coming off of gear as well. I have used cialis before and it works great. You don't walk around with constant wood all day like most people think. It only "kicks in" when you are aroused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    i thought you were coming off of gear as well. I have used cialis before and it works great. You don't walk around with constant wood all day like most people think. It only "kicks in" when you are aroused.
    Awesome that's what I like to hear. Even if it's a placebo effect... as long as I think it's going to work, it's going to work, haha. Thanks for the actual experience.

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    are you taking any stimulants, ephedrine, caff, etc ?

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    Well you can give it a try, but Cialis and Viagra both need you to have the initial urge to want to have sex, if you dont have that then they wont do shit.

    I have used Cialis a lot, albeit recreationally, I have no trouble getting hard (well except with my wife) and when I take this stuff my boners are like rock, my dick looks like it has one percent BF its so veiney, and I can fvck three or four times a day (I am 53 by the way). Cialis will also work for about 36 hours but again, you need to have the urge for it to work. Only way to know is give it a try. I would also recommend before a date maybe just getting horned up over porn or something that will get you in the mood

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    its happened to me i think twice in my life and it is a terrible feeling

    its all nerves you psych yourself out and it snowballs from there...as soon as the thought of not performing enters ur head your in trouble

    its all mental at this point and you need to relax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    Well you can give it a try, but Cialis and Viagra both need you to have the initial urge to want to have sex, if you dont have that then they wont do shit.

    I have used Cialis a lot, albeit recreationally, I have no trouble getting hard (well except with my wife) and when I take this stuff my boners are like rock, my dick looks like it has one percent BF its so veiney, and I can fvck three or four times a day (I am 53 by the way). Cialis will also work for about 36 hours but again, you need to have the urge for it to work. Only way to know is give it a try. I would also recommend before a date maybe just getting horned up over porn or something that will get you in the mood
    I defiitely have the urge, no question there. Sounds like this might be just what I need to get my head back in the game. (No pun intended) Hopefully then any worries will be out of my head and I can just use what I have left (29 of the 30mL's probably) for fun now and then. Thanks Kale!

    Maybe I just need to find a hot thai girl to unload on and then I'll know I'm good to go, haha!


    Quote Originally Posted by -DedicateD- View Post
    its happened to me i think twice in my life and it is a terrible feeling

    its all nerves you psych yourself out and it snowballs from there...as soon as the thought of not performing enters ur head your in trouble

    its all mental at this point and you need to relax
    Thats exactly it. I need to know that this girl knows I'm good to go by giving her a solid good fvcking, and then the pressure's off. Right now is like bottom of the 9th with 2 outs.... gotta hit a homerun or I'm benched!

    Feeling better already about this after the responses I've gotten so far. Thanks dudes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post
    I defiitely have the urge, no question there. Sounds like this might be just what I need to get my head back in the game. (No pun intended) Hopefully then any worries will be out of my head and I can just use what I have left (29 of the 30mL's probably) for fun now and then. Thanks Kale!

    Maybe I just need to find a hot thai girl to unload on and then I'll know I'm good to go, haha!




    Thats exactly it. I need to know that this girl knows I'm good to go by giving her a solid good fvcking, and then the pressure's off. Right now is like bottom of the 9th with 2 outs.... gotta hit a homerun or I'm benched!

    Feeling better already about this after the responses I've gotten so far. Thanks dudes!
    Well that would do it (see my Avi for inspiration) failing that then DSM4life's back door, oh I mean door, is always open

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    Alcohol make a difference man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post

    First off... I apologize for the long thread. I'm really fvcked in the head over this and need some help though please. I really appreciate anyone who reads this that has some experience with Cialis that they can give me...

    You may or may not remember the story about me going on a first date with this new chick and I was all nervous about it. Well long story short... things have been going great. We've gone on quite a few dates, have a great time together, get along really well.

    Here's the shitty part... So the other night we come back to my place after dinner, and we were about to have sex for the first time, and I couldn't get it up -- whatsoever. I continued to please her, and even with continued foreplay my lil' soldier would not stand at attention. I even made an excuse to get up and go to the bathroom where I tried to get it up myself (which I rarely fail at) and I could not get hard.

    Please spare me the gay jokes -- I likely wont find them funny. This was honestly a pretty traumatic experience for me. Never had a problem like this before, and I can't stop thinking about it; it makes me feel like less of a man

    She was really cool about it, but was obviously disappointed as we both came back in the heat of passion, ripped eachothers clothes off, and then I'm sitting there with my limp-dick in my hand while she was waiting for a good shagging. So f'n embarrasing. Anyway; I need to make sure this doesn't happen again. If I get another shot in bed with this chick I cannot afford to disappoint again. In fact, I want to make up for last time too, haha!

    I don't even know what to blame for the problem... there was no lack of desire or libido, I wanted it SOO bad... I just couldn't physically get hard. I've come up with three possible scenarios, or a combination of the two:
    --> I had 2 glasses of wine with dinner (I never drink wine, but I do drink beer/spirits on the weekends (always more than 2 servings) and can still perform fine... can different liquors affect you differently in that way?
    --> Nerves maybe? This was the first time we were going to have sex, and this is the best looking girl I'll have slept with. Maybe I felt like I had to perform to a certain standard and I "psyched myself out?"
    --> I am natural (no AAS yet). I typically workout 4-5 days a week. Due to unusual schedule, etc. I had taken the previous week off of the gym. Could this cause my natty test to lower suddenly?


    I've read quite a bit on the net about it, and I've ordered some Cialis from Lion. I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with the drug or it's similar counterparts (Viagra/Levitra) and if you think it will help me out.

    Here are some questions that I have:

    -I will not be drinking wine (or much of anything) on our next date so that should not be an issue. Just curious though, does Cialis counteract "whiskey-dick?"

    -If I did psych myself out, likely this time will be even worse, as I am and will be very worried about this happening again. Will Cialis help me get it up in this case (take the thought process out of the picture)?

    -I am back on my normal workout schedule... but if reduced test from being out of the gym was the cause, would Cialis help me get hard?

    -What dosage would you reccomend? 10-15mg the morning of, or is the research chemical version less potent than the real stuff?

    -How easily do you get hard with this stuff? I obviously want to be rock-hard in bed, but I don't want to be pitching a tent if I accidentally brush against someone/something in the club or at work or something, haha.



    I'll add any more questions I can think of to this thread, but I really appreciate any opinions or answers anyone can give me. I'm really a head-case over this!
    I feel your pain brotha... I had the exact same thing happen to me, except on several occasions... Couldn't get it up for the life of me... I was given a prescription for Levitra though not Cialis... I've not used it in conjunction with a woman yet because the girls I used to hook up with have got boyfriends now... But those medications do work... I think it's all psychological, I can get it up on my own porn or not... But when a woman's with me I get nervous, don't know why... Never had a problem before so who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prada View Post
    Alcohol make a difference man.
    Never did that to me. A lot of my buddies say they go limp on alcohol but i find it makes me go so much longer. I guess because it numbs the sensation a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LawMan018 View Post
    I feel your pain brotha... I had the exact same thing happen to me, except on several occasions... Couldn't get it up for the life of me... I was given a prescription for Levitra though not Cialis... I've not used it in conjunction with a woman yet because the girls I used to hook up with have got boyfriends now... But those medications do work... I think it's all psychological, I can get it up on my own porn or not... But when a woman's with me I get nervous, don't know why... Never had a problem before so who knows?
    I could do so much with this ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    and just remember, my door is always open.


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    Alcohol make a difference man.
    What you mean by that? You think because I had wine for the first time in months that that caused my prob? Or you think Alcohol will help me relax? I know alcohol can cause probs for some, so I dont want to do anything that could make the problem worse next time if I can avoid it. Though a few drinks have never caused me any probs before...

    Quote Originally Posted by LawMan018 View Post
    I feel your pain brotha... I had the exact same thing happen to me, except on several occasions... Couldn't get it up for the life of me... I was given a prescription for Levitra though not Cialis... I've not used it in conjunction with a woman yet because the girls I used to hook up with have got boyfriends now... But those medications do work... I think it's all psychological, I can get it up on my own porn or not... But when a woman's with me I get nervous, don't know why... Never had a problem before so who knows?
    Damn dude that sucks! Really is a blow to the ego, too. I can practially picture her going back and telling her friends what a disappointment it was...

    What exp. do you have with that stuff that it works? Just on your own I assume? Just made you harder/shortened refractory period? Did you get hard easier in the first place once you were mentally aroused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    I could do so much with this ,
    I know I know, I was waiting for your response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale View Post
    I know I know, I was waiting for your response
    He is lucky im tired.

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    I know Lego & Big & a couple of the vets have used research chem Cialis...

    I should have titled the thread to indicate that it wasn't AAS related because I'm sure everyone assumes it's the same "I cycled and didnt do PCT" or "I am on a Deca Only cycle" and doesn't even want to read it.

    Good feedback so far though... Assuming Lion's shipping is as great it was for me last time I should be good to go by Friday night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post
    I know Lego & Big & a couple of the vets have used research chem Cialis...

    I should have titled the thread to indicate that it wasn't AAS related because I'm sure everyone assumes it's the same "I cycled and didnt do PCT" or "I am on a Deca Only cycle" and doesn't even want to read it.

    Good feedback so far though... Assuming Lion's shipping is as great it was for me last time I should be good to go by Friday night!
    It does work. Shake it well and take 20mg about 4 hours before your date

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    Haven't read any of the responses but when it comes to getting it up if you are healthy in every way then the only way this happens is psychological. That's worse than any physical problem, if your not into it or you're thinking about it too much it just won't happen. And this is the best way to check if you need Cialis...

    Watch some porn that turns you on, do you get it up? does it get hard? If so you don't need Cialis you are fine and everything is working fine it's all psychological. Hope that helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post



    What you mean by that? You think because I had wine for the first time in months that that caused my prob? Or you think Alcohol will help me relax? I know alcohol can cause probs for some, so I dont want to do anything that could make the problem worse next time if I can avoid it. Though a few drinks have never caused me any probs before...



    Damn dude that sucks! Really is a blow to the ego, too. I can practially picture her going back and telling her friends what a disappointment it was...

    What exp. do you have with that stuff that it works? Just on your own I assume? Just made you harder/shortened refractory period? Did you get hard easier in the first place once you were mentally aroused?
    Well it says to take just half the pill... So I did... Says it takes up to an hour to start working... Well, I was cooking my eggs in the morning (having ingested pill 15 minutes prior) and my weiner rubbed up against the stove and I got a semi hard on almost instantly from that. However, after having rubbed one out I didn't really have the urge to do it again. From what I can put together about Levitra, it amplifies your own ability. If you're horny watching porn this thing will double it, orgasms better, and it lasts for 24 hours so when you start getting horny again later it'll feel just as good as the first one. It just doesn't "make" you horny for the whole 24 hours if you catch my drift... You'll probably have the usual downtime for horniness but when you do get horny it'll be double... I have heard of people taking a whole pill so I may try that and see what it's like... Oh, and only negative side effect I had was flushing of face after an hour, which lasted like 15 minutes...

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    Bro Cialis works great.

    I'm currently on a test only cycle, just over a month thru it & horny as hell now, but when i firt started my cycle my dick was as dead as jonbenet ramsey.

    I tried f#cking this shorty i've been hooking up with & couldn't get it up. So embaressing so i feel your pain. So i got myself some Cialis & popped one about 3 o clock in the afternoon.

    Anyway i see the honey again that same night at about 9 o clock & i was ready to rock! Dick was so hard, nothing could get it down. F#cked her 4 times & on the 5th time i had to stop cos it started hurting her after about 45 mins & i coulnd't cum haha.

    But yeah, get your hands on some Cialis. I'm confident that it will work. Best of luck bro.

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    dude, you have NOTHING to worry about..i cant believe everyone isint reassuring you this. you think this hasnt happened to almost everyone? man there is nothign wrong with my dick. it works like a charm...to me anyway. haha...theres been a couple times when i couldnt get it up, and it was strictly mental. it happens man. if your dick works when you watch porn, then your dick works, period. so you know right away, its not a physical problem. this happened to me with this girl i knew for like 10 years man, we went to bang, and i couldnt get it up at all. it sucked, sure..but its not like im impotent. your dicks gonna work again, just dont let your head ruin it for you. man when i went to lose my virginity this happened to me actually...there was just too much on my mind to be able to enjoy the experience, and if you have any worry or concern about what you are doing, its quite easily ruined. think you could ever set a new PB on bench if all you were thinking about is the weight breaking your neck? its totally in your head bro, if you want the pressure relieved for that first time, ide say go ahead and rock cialis or whatever..ive never used anything like that but the consenus seems to say it works..but trust me, you have nothing to worry about!!!!

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    ^^

    I agree dude. I wasn't trying to scare him. Of course it has happened to everyone at least once but he said he was going to get cialis & asked if it worked & i gave him my personal experience on it.

    I totally agree tho, it's all in your head. However, i think that if he used cialis once & bangs this broads brains out then it will give him confidence & he'll have no problem when he bangs her again.

    the reason i copped some so quickly was because i couldn't get it up & was so paranoid about not being able to get it up the next time i knew i probably wouldn't be able to get it up because it's all i could think about.

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    I'm so glad I read this thread. I feel your pain D-unit. It happened to me just the other night I was getting head from a super hot girl and I was rock hard but it just sorta slowly went down. And it wasn't how she was doing it either, it was the best I've ever had. Dont know if its the same thing because I got it up, but I agree that it is all in your head because the next night she went at it again and everything went great. I agree that most people have had this happen to them. Im only 21 and had some serious doubts about myself. I thought about it the whole next day, watched some porn right before our date and everything went fine. Good luck with everything and I hope your soldier stands at attention next time!

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    Hey thanks everyone for the support/advice.

    I figured I wasn't the only one out there that has had this problem, but alot of people probably don't want to talk about it (for obvious reasons).

    I already ordered the Cialis, so hopefully it will show up before the weekend and I will give it a try about 4 hours before my date with 10-15mg. I'm going to do my best to relax and not worry about it too (as difficult as that is) so I don't psych myself out again.

    If all goes as planned, I'll rock this bitches world with the Cialis in full effect, and then the pressure will be totally off and I won't have to worry about "what she thinks" etc. anymore. After that, if I ever can't perform for whatever reason; at least she knows I'm good for it and will make up for it next time. This wouldn't even be such a huge deal to me if it wasnt the first time we were going to have sex with eachother.

    I'll let you all know how it goes, assuming I get another date with the girl this weekend as planned.


    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post
    Hey thanks everyone for the support/advice.

    I figured I wasn't the only one out there that has had this problem, but alot of people probably don't want to talk about it (for obvious reasons).

    I already ordered the Cialis, so hopefully it will show up before the weekend and I will give it a try about 4 hours before my date with 10-15mg. I'm going to do my best to relax and not worry about it too (as difficult as that is) so I don't psych myself out again.

    If all goes as planned, I'll rock this bitches world with the Cialis in full effect, and then the pressure will be totally off and I won't have to worry about "what she thinks" etc. anymore. After that, if I ever can't perform for whatever reason; at least she knows I'm good for it and will make up for it next time. This wouldn't even be such a huge deal to me if it wasnt the first time we were going to have sex with eachother.

    I'll let you all know how it goes, assuming I get another date with the girl this weekend as planned.


    Thanks again!
    How'd you order it with no prescription?

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    I ordered the research chemical version.

    I'm not actually going to injest the Cialis... I'm going to use 10-15mg before my date to do a scientific experiment with, duh! I'm hoping the excitement from the all of the beakers and bunsen burners and sciencey researchey stuff will give me a boner.

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    I’ve gone through 3 bottles of Cials in about 6 months.
    The stuff is amazing, yes it works. I’m 27 and my sex has been better with Cials than it ever has in my life. I was suddenly single 6 months ago and I had a similar problem as you. I’ve always had it after a break up, I feel bad for sleeping with another girl, am nervous about it….WAY more common than you think as I talk about it pretty open as do my friends….we tease each other about it.
    Ever come home with a girl, real drunk? You want it….but you had a lot to drink….Cials works for that too. There have been times I was worried it was not going to work, but it has seriously never failed me. 5-10 pumps of it in the afternoon and you are ready to rock for as long as it takes that night and the next morning.

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    I'm curious as to why you couldn't perform, looking at this from a psychological perspective.

    Physically, drinking different types of alcohol may affect certain individuals differently. Wine can cause greater capillary dilation than other types of alcohol, which is not a bad thing, but the maintenance of blood within the penis is crucial for maintaining an erection. Meaning blood may have been flowing in, but also flowing out.

    Psychologically, you've already stated that you were nervous. That combined with the wine may have been enough. However, you may also not know the degree to which you truly like this girl. You may like her so much that you're subconsciously afraid of disappointing her sexually. Without realizing it, you may have equated her sexual satisfaction with the act of penetration. Thus, your subconscious shut your penis down, because you couldn't really disappoint her if you couldn't penetrate.

    I'd drink very little alcohol if any and make a conscious effort to focus on foreplay with an emphasis on her, especially the clitoris. By concentrating on her pleasure before actual intercourse, it may take your subconscious worries off yourself, resulting in your normal raging hard on.




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    Quote Originally Posted by DSM4Life View Post
    I could do so much with this ,
    go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Unit 39 View Post



    What you mean by that? You think because I had wine for the first time in months that that caused my prob? Or you think Alcohol will help me relax? I know alcohol can cause probs for some, so I dont want to do anything that could make the problem worse next time if I can avoid it. Though a few drinks have never caused me any probs before...
    Yes alcohol can aggravate things. If you have issues with "ED" then stay away from it.

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    i'd say it's stage fright. the more you think about it, the worse it gets. has happened to me before, especially if i feel i'm trading up, so to speak. i'd suggest a cialis for insurance, and a glass of wine to relax and just let it happen.

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