could you kill

***G-1000*** · 06-04-2008, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

yes i could and would without hesitation.. I was trained (brainwashed) at an early age of 18 when i went into the USAF..

It's about thinking of a situation, visualizing it, deciding on a course of action long before you ever get into that type of situation.. thus, it becomes 2nd nature.. we use to train at the thought process, it's 2nd nature now, probably always will be..

Example.. I asked my wife.. if we were walking through a parking lot.. lets say in downtown at about 6:30 in the evening, and a man approached and produced a gun and demanded that we both get in the trunk of the car..

what would she do?? before she answered, i told her i would work on getting close to the man, and i would make a play for the gun (remember, i've been trained) She said she would scream and run for help.. I told her no, as i was wrestling with the guy, she was to jump on his back, choking him if possible wrapping her legs around him as we all 3 crash to the ground..I may or may not be able to overpower him, or take the gun away, but with her added weight, the noise we would be making and hopefully the gun would go off , causing all the noise we would need to get help to us fast..

If i were to get the gun away from him.. would i shot him??

depends on his actions, does he jump up from the ground and come at me?? no?? he turns and runs?? i'd let him go..

if he were to attempt a grab at me or the wife?? i'd empty the gun on him..

easy as that..

If someone ever pulled a gun on me they better kill me fast.

**Flagg** · 06-04-2008, 06:59 AM

EVERYONE has the potential to kill, it's human nature.

There are different forms of killing though. Pre-deditated murder would seem the hardest to follow through on, but impulse killing is another matter.

You could kill someone in self defence, if you saw someone kill a loved one infront of you, the impulse to kill that person would be huge, to protect a lovd on...to kill for the self preservation of yourself or others is probabaly more possible than people think.

**TJM7275** · 06-04-2008, 07:04 AM

Not to HiJack my boy Gix's thread but I had to tell you guys this story, especially us dads with little girls.
Last year this guy took his 4 year old to the park to play. She was running around, playing in the sandbox while the father was reading the paper. After a minute he looked up to check on her and saw this sketchball leading his little girl behind a building. He ran over and their was this dude pulling his junk out. Needless to say the father beat the dude within an inch of his life. Just did not stop pounding him. The dad was arrested, but when it hit the news the city came to his aid and protested. The charges were dropped and they found that the pervert had been a pedifile 4 times over. The great thing about it though, was when he was released and interviewed he looked the camera head on and said he wanted to kill his ass and if he had raped his baby, he would have... I know if someone hurt my baby girl, man that would be it

**inky-e** · 06-04-2008, 09:05 AM

I used to be a very sick individual with a propensity for violence, I am a product of my environment,and I also used to run with some really "bad" dudes. Now its been many years since I've put my hands on anyone in anger, and there have been times when people were just begging for a beating. I will say this..if someone hurts my wife or children in a real bad way,physical or sexual and maybe even mentally, I probably would allow the justice system to deal with it. In the case where the system fails and the evidence is so overwhelming, I would seriously consider coming out of "retirement" and handling it myself.

**BigLittleTim** · 06-04-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

We all say i would kill a person if they did something horrible to a family mememer of yours.

That "family member" provisio shows up in many revenge/action movies. We all know the drill: "Joe Niceguy was a loving family man who just did his job as a law abiding police officer... UNTIL THEY KILLED HIS WIFE!!!" After that the gloves are off. No attrocity is out of bounds as he persues the evil men WHO KILLED HIS WIFE!!!!

Lah!

For myself I'd say that, in the heat of battle or during an actual physical attack, I would fight with all my might to kill someone who was trying to kill me, or those in my care. If I was not present during the actual deed, and the culprit was captured after the fact, I'd let civil justice follow its course.

Every citizen, even a murderer, should have recourse to the Law, but I do believe in capital punishment. To put his soul at peace a man who has committed murder should hand himself over to the authorities and be hung.

-BigLittleTim

**Kratos** · 06-04-2008, 11:26 AM

When it comes to the emotional side/right or wrong. I'm sure I could be a hitman for hire and go home and eat dinner every night and sleep well. I have no affect or emotion when it comes to these things. I've read books on the subject, and it's very interesting to me. As I said before though prision life is not for me, and I don't get angry enough to kill anyone in my own life.

I have thought through different methods of body disposal before, where to get the weapon if I ever did need to kill someone, ect.

**BigLittleTim** · 06-04-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by TJM7275

After a minute he looked up to check on her and saw this sketchball leading his little girl behind a building...

Every parent's nightmare!

I'm glad this situation turned out for the best. It's sad that children have to be almost under constant supervision, today, to safeguard them against this sort of menace.

A good opportunity to remind everyone who has children in their care, even if you're only an aunt of uncle, to instruct them what to do when approached in this manner. When a stranger engages a small child in conversation the child should say: "I don't know you. Let me get my mother/father." and then run to tell their guardian. A parent will soon assess if the situation is innocent or suspicious.

-BigLittleTim

**Kratos** · 06-04-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Gsxxr

If someone ever pulled a gun on me they better kill me fast.

I've had it happen twice, what you think you will do and what you do become two very different things. When you see that peice, you don't move. 90% of the time they arn't gonna use it, you do the math in your head weather you know it or not.

**gixxerboy1** · 06-04-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

When it comes to the emotional side/right or wrong. I'm sure I could be a hitman for hire and go home and eat dinner every night and sleep well. I have no affect or emotion when it comes to these things. I've read books on the subject, and it's very interesting to me. As I said before though prision life is not for me, and I don't get angry enough to kill anyone in my own life.

I have thought through different methods of body disposal before, where to get the weapon if I ever did need to kill someone, ect.

i'm the same boat. I 've done some bad things in my past. Never killed though. Thought about it. I know i could go home and sleep after. I would be able to justify it to myself. Honestly in certian situations, i had a harder time sleeping until i did soemthing. Kinda at peace after wards.

BTW my dad has a boat and a wood chipper. Fresh chum

**gixxerboy1** · 06-04-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Kratos

I've had it happen twice, what you think you will do and what you do become two very different things. When you see that peice, you don't move. 90% of the time they arn't gonna use it, you do the math in your head weather you know it or not.

i had it happen once in a club in philly. Real fast you try and decide do you make a break and try and grabb it. Luckly his boy talked him down

**B.E.N.** · 06-04-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by BigLittleTim

That "family member" provisio shows up in many revenge/action movies. We all know the drill: "Joe Niceguy was a loving family man who just did his job as a law abiding police officer... UNTIL THEY KILLED HIS WIFE!!!" After that the gloves are off. No attrocity is out of bounds as he persues the evil men WHO KILLED HIS WIFE!!!!

-BigLittleTim

Sounds like the plot to the movie Death Sentence! If you all have not seen it rent it this weekend. Kevin Bacon goes BADARSE in it. Yeah...I said Kevin Bacon. And it is not a happily ever after movie either...

**Dukkit** · 06-04-2008, 11:47 AM

in reference to the TITLE of this THREAD....

Been there, done that, Didnt get a T-shirt

**juicy_brucy** · 06-04-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nicotine

if my child was molested by anyone and i found out, they would be dead. no question. no hesitation.

self defence? yes.

thats about it.

this pretty much sums me up.
self defense? I couldn't agree more.

**IronReload04** · 06-04-2008, 03:49 PM

I watched flight 911. and It gave me feelings I never knew existed....ya, I could say without a doubt, I could gauge out the eyeballs of a terrorist and rip their pharynx out with my bare hands......the answer is yes I could.

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 06-04-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

I had a job where I used to put dogs and cats "to sleep." It was awful (I'll spare y'all the details about having to kill a cardboard box of six 2-week old puppies). But I discovered that I could do it, and I've been through all the rationalization process where you convince yourself that what you're doing is a good thing.

So, yes, given sufficient motivation, tools, and opportunity, I could kill someone. I'd probably think about it from time to time, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it . . .

There are some people I would much rather kill than puppies...

***G-1000*** · 06-04-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

I've had it happen twice, what you think you will do and what you do become two very different things. When you see that peice, you don't move. 90% of the time they arn't gonna use it, you do the math in your head weather you know it or not.

It would not be the first time i have had to except death. Because that it what happens. You need to come to terms with it on the spot. If there going to shoot there is nothing you can do to stop them.

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 06-04-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by TJM7275

Not to HiJack my boy Gix's thread but I had to tell you guys this story, especially us dads with little girls.
Last year this guy took his 4 year old to the park to play. She was running around, playing in the sandbox while the father was reading the paper. After a minute he looked up to check on her and saw this sketchball leading his little girl behind a building. He ran over and their was this dude pulling his junk out. Needless to say the father beat the dude within an inch of his life. Just did not stop pounding him. The dad was arrested, but when it hit the news the city came to his aid and protested. The charges were dropped and they found that the pervert had been a pedifile 4 times over. The great thing about it though, was when he was released and interviewed he looked the camera head on and said he wanted to kill his ass and if he had raped his baby, he would have... I know if someone hurt my baby girl, man that would be it

Good for him and you. I would have real hard time putting someone like that in handcuffs.

**Misery13** · 06-04-2008, 04:07 PM

is too easy...

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 06-04-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

We all say i would kill a person if they did something horrible to a family mememer of yours. But do you think you would or could. Do you think you could follow them home or kick in their door and do it? Shoot them or beat them to death? I know some people have moral issues that wouldnt allow them.

Some reason i was thinking about this and figured it would make a good discusion.

In my line of work I face that possibility everyday. I can't count how many times I have killed people in my dreams. And everytime it was very real. I guess my mind just constantly makes up scenarios.

Read the book "On Killing" the psychological cost of learning to kill in war and society. By Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

This book is a real eye opener, I highly recommend.

**Bojangles69** · 06-04-2008, 06:19 PM

Absolutely.
Matter a fact, I'd kill someone right now if I knew there'd be no consequences. When someones life is dedicated to the pathological task of ruining others, and their death justifiably would make this world a better place, the only thing stopping me is prison.

But however you look at it, I think everyman has a price.
If I told you I'd give you 10 billion dollars and there'd be 100% chance of no prison time, I think most people would do it if the person was a big enough POS.

**firmechicano831** · 06-04-2008, 06:29 PM

I would only do it if my family was in danger, like someone braking into our home at night. Or if someone really hurt or shot someone in my family then I wouldn't have a problem. I've matured alot now but before when i was younger, I did empty some clips without hitting my target.

**shootdeep** · 06-04-2008, 09:56 PM

I could definitely do it. If something ever happened to one of my kids, I would do it with extreme prejudice.

**Sir Lifts-a-lot** · 06-04-2008, 11:02 PM

I believe I was very close to attempting to kill another man about three years ago. Not to get into specifics but I came home one night when I was supposed to be out of town to find my girlfriend in bed with another guy. I instantly went into a state of insanity. The animal in me came out and I attacked the guy. I was down right scary. I grabed him by the hair and yanked him out of bed, then I started to just rain fists down on him. I beat him into a bloody pulp. I think I would have tried to strangle him but she jumped on me and pleaded with me to stop and I snaped out of it. I wasn't me and I truly know I would have ended his life.

I have never even so much as hit someone before, but at the age of 25 I couldn't contain the animal in me. After looking back on the situation I feel that when I walked in on that my intial reaction was that there was another man with the woman I loved. This man might be hurting the woman I loved. After thinking that intially the civilized 21st century male reverted back to the barberic person inside all of us.

Just so you don't flame I know it was her that I should have been mad at, but remember at the instant I saw this I reverted back to an animal and saw the woman I loved being 'hurt' by another.

**Chitown Raider** · 06-05-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

We all say i would kill a person if they did something horrible to a family mememer of yours. But do you think you would or could. Do you think you could follow them home or kick in their door and do it? Shoot them or beat them to death? I know some people have moral issues that wouldnt allow them.

Some reason i was thinking about this and figured it would make a good discusion.

Without a thought if it was my parents!

**Tock** · 06-05-2008, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Gsxxr

You see that i could not do. I would rather see 100 people die rather then one dog. I would not have lasted 2min at that job.

Most people get physically sick when they start that job, and I was no exception. Lost my lunch every day for a week . . .
I figured I may as well do it, because the dogs couldn't be turned loose without making lots more stray dogs, getting sick or runover by cars and trucks. From what I saw as a city dogcatcher, putting them to sleep was a lot more humane than setting them free.

Anyway, I adjusted to the job as did lots of other people. I doubt that too many people couldn't, in time, learn to do the job without much objection.

**SkippyP** · 06-05-2008, 04:31 AM

I couldn't bring myself to killing someone...

unless they like forced themselves onto one of my daughters...then thats a different story.

i think straight out killing someone would be a waste though, id get more satisfaction out of torturing them...

just kidding

**calgarian** · 06-05-2008, 07:21 AM

I HATE child molesters And I have no problem doing them..without even thinking.
and I agree to Nicotene

**inky-e** · 06-05-2008, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by calgarian

I HATE child molesters And I have no problem doing them..without even thinking.
and I agree to Nicotene

By "doing them" do you mean anally?

**calgarian** · 06-05-2008, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by inky-e

By "doing them" do you mean anally?

No...doing them like cut their nuts off and stuff it in there mouth....i will spare the details

**SkippyP** · 06-05-2008, 08:02 AM

agree with you there completely Calgarian. Child molesters should have no rights, jail time shouldnt even be an option.

**takedownII** · 06-05-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Lifts-a-lot

I believe I was very close to attempting to kill another man about three years ago. Not to get into specifics but I came home one night when I was supposed to be out of town to find my girlfriend in bed with another guy. I instantly went into a state of insanity. The animal in me came out and I attacked the guy. I was down right scary. I grabed him by the hair and yanked him out of bed, then I started to just rain fists down on him. I beat him into a bloody pulp. I think I would have tried to strangle him but she jumped on me and pleaded with me to stop and I snaped out of it. I wasn't me and I truly know I would have ended his life.

I have never even so much as hit someone before, but at the age of 25 I couldn't contain the animal in me. After looking back on the situation I feel that when I walked in on that my intial reaction was that there was another man with the woman I loved. This man might be hurting the woman I loved. After thinking that intially the civilized 21st century male reverted back to the barberic person inside all of us.

Just so you don't flame I know it was her that I should have been mad at, but remember at the instant I saw this I reverted back to an animal and saw the woman I loved being 'hurt' by another.

i would of beat the shit out of her.....she's the one that betrayed you not him....unless he was a friend.....

this is all very interesting though....i know i could kill if i was protecting someone i loved or myself....what gets me is these people who actually get off on hurting and killing people....like those girls that beat the sh!t out of another girl on youtube....did anyone see that??? young ass kids thinking it's a joke and fun....these people are the ones that scare me

**IronReload04** · 06-05-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Lifts-a-lot

I believe I was very close to attempting to kill another man about three years ago. Not to get into specifics but I came home one night when I was supposed to be out of town to find my girlfriend in bed with another guy. I instantly went into a state of insanity. The animal in me came out and I attacked the guy. I was down right scary. I grabed him by the hair and yanked him out of bed, then I started to just rain fists down on him. I beat him into a bloody pulp. I think I would have tried to strangle him but she jumped on me and pleaded with me to stop and I snaped out of it. I wasn't me and I truly know I would have ended his life.

I have never even so much as hit someone before, but at the age of 25 I couldn't contain the animal in me. After looking back on the situation I feel that when I walked in on that my intial reaction was that there was another man with the woman I loved. This man might be hurting the woman I loved. After thinking that intially the civilized 21st century male reverted back to the barberic person inside all of us.

Just so you don't flame I know it was her that I should have been mad at, but remember at the instant I saw this I reverted back to an animal and saw the woman I loved being 'hurt' by another.

see, if you would have kept sanity. What you might have realized is, your girlfriend is who you should have been made at (which you admitted). IN that case, dont go to jail over a piece of shit.

take her personal belongings, and throw them on the street.

**STEROIDMD** · 06-05-2008, 02:25 PM

Hell yeah I would/could do it if some a**hole did something to someone in my family! Or to my dogs for that matter!

**numbat** · 06-05-2008, 02:29 PM

I've had some sniper training so yeah I bet you can guess how i would do it. A long distance, one bullet ,and a good escape plan.

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 06-05-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by SkippyP

agree with you there completely Calgarian. Child molesters should have no rights, jail time shouldnt even be an option.

I agree. If I was lucky enough to be judge, jury, and executioner I would not have a problem putting a gun to ones head and splattering their brains all over a stone wall. And if anyone so much as says its not their fault and they have a sickness.... then somebody pissed in your gene pool.

**DeputyLoneWolf** · 06-05-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by IronReload04

see, if you would have kept sanity. What you might have realized is, your girlfriend is who you should have been made at (which you admitted). IN that case, dont go to jail over a piece of shit.

take her personal belongings, and throw them on the street.

Didn't anybody listen to what he said? Of course its also her fault.

But in my mind if the guy knew what he was doing he deserved to become a bloody pulp. Good job for being a real man and not a P___y!

**Bojangles69** · 06-05-2008, 10:32 PM

Yeh if you think about it, men partake in careers where killing is "just part of the job".
Police officers, soldiers.. judges, even people summons to a jury.

The jury isn't getting blood on their hands but if you're responsible for deciding whether or not someone will die or live, I don't care how you look at it, you killed them.

Anyone on this site (well all non ex-cons which discludes myself) can in a way be forced to kill another man. If you get a note one day to be part of the jury for someone being tried for rape and murder with the penalty being death and DNA evidence proving the crime.
Your own goverment is forcing you to kill.

They try to diffuse the responsiblity by having one group of people decide and another group of people doing it, by law, if I hire a group of people to kill my wife, I'm guilty of murder.
So in the same token, the jury, the executioners, the warden, anyone who plays a part is a murderer.

So you may be forced to kill someone one day whether you like it or not, and if you're not ready to do it you'll wind up paying with your own life, or doing time for objecting to be part of a jury.

Point being, no matter what anyone says now, you never really know untill you're put in that situation, and if you don't have time to think about it (when you're staring down the barrel of a gun) something tells me the human instinct to survive is invariably = to the human instinct to kill.
Anyone who wants to survive in this world must be willing to know the price we've always paid to survive, murder.

And the molestation concept is weird.
I think death would be too kind a consequence.

Something pulp fictionish, where a 300lb black guy shoots them in the balls than has a line of horses 100 deep fvck him in the ass till he permanetly loses his ability to retain bowels for life seems like a better sentence..