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    Is Obama a citizen of the United States?

    (Sorry I thought there was a political lounge but couldn't find it)

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_v..._the_election/


    Opinions would be So much stuff out there and so little time!

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    He is a Muslim black terrorist and is going to kill us all and our babies! He was born in the hills of Afghanistan, and was raised by Bin Laden himself!!!!!!!!!!



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    Brush off ya shoulders and keep up the good work


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    Quote Originally Posted by LAW View Post
    (Sorry I thought there was a political lounge but couldn't find it)

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_v..._the_election/


    Opinions would be So much stuff out there and so little time!
    Is this a serious question?!?! Please tell me its not a serious question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abbot138 View Post
    Is this a serious question?!?! Im sorry but people like you shouldn't even be allowed to vote for asking such an ignorant question. Seriously, everyone should have to take a general intelligence test before being registered to vote.
    Don't jump to conclusions calling me ignorant. I opened this up for discussion, anything wrong listening to opinions and thoughts or like Obama/Biden, when the question doesn't go right, the lights go off?

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    is McCain he was technically born outside the US?

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    Is McCain technically still 100% alive ?

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    JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
    By Jon Christian Dryer
    October 3, 2008
    NewsWithViews.com


    On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
    federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
    matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
    distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama sighed a
    breath of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can
    Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the
    United States?"
    The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
    question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
    certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
    States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
    grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in
    Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son,
    Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant
    white wife who was close to term.)
    Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to
    Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
    Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim
    men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the
    airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's
    grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack
    Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.
    Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her
    son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
    supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
    Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
    certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
    While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on
    the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and
    used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not
    an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a
    self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was
    the real McCoy-even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective
    Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The
    county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an
    original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of
    the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the
    front of the electronic image.
    Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County.
    Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State
    Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to learn the
    truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen. Obama may also
    have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent part of the story was
    Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had been in the United States
    and was a US citizen.
    In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United
    States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant
    Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to
    dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's
    opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered
    that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is
    denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to
    be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
    1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
    birth certificate; and
    2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
    3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."
    Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election Commission
    to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are eligible to
    hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that those candidates
    run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the presidential candidate,"
    Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required to ensure the eligibility
    requirements pursuant to our Constitution are met and the Presidential
    nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible to serve pursuant to our
    United States Constitution. In order to be eligible to run for the Office of
    President of the United States, you must be a "natural born" citizen.
    "There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley Ann
    Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father,
    Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to
    divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2, 1961."
    "Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4, 1961
    and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama's
    grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim
    Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama's
    mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented
    from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. at her late stage of pregnancy
    (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights).
    By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya,
    after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth. There are records of
    a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public
    records office in Hawaii."
    Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya Soetoro-with
    whom he was raised-seemed not to know where her own brother was born. In the
    Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya Soetoro said Obama was
    born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. In
    February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star Bulletin. This time she told
    reporters that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical
    Center for Women and Children. On June 9, 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist
    with Online Journal published an article in which he said a research team
    went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a Certificate registering the live birth
    of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother,
    a US citizen.
    Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of 1940,
    Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship
    status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg argued, a minor
    child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her
    custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetora signed a
    statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama natural Indonesian
    citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship
    listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under US law in effect in 1967
    required that foreign citizenship be achieved through "application." Which,
    according to Berg, is precisely what happened to Obama when his mother
    married Soetoro and the family moved to Indonesia.
    When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been
    enrolled in school-something that could not have happened under Indonesian
    law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the application) affirming
    that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to be an Indonesian State citizen.
    (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992,
    Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children of Indonesia include: (viii)
    children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen
    mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his
    children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years
    of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."
    Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen married
    a foreigner-in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann Obama-she was
    required to renounce her US citizenship .
    In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship,
    a document Obama must have applied for to regain his citizenship-which was
    lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only if the proper paperwork
    was filed with the US State Department when Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971
    since that is the only way Obama could regain his US "natural born" status.
    Berg is convinced that Obama was never naturalized in the United States
    after his return. Obama returned to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii
    without his mother. Since she is the only one who could have filed for the
    reinstatement of his citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it
    did, his Certificate of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the
    office of President. Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien
    who can't legally hold his seat in the US Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeraDeMilo View Post
    JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
    By Jon Christian Dryer
    October 3, 2008
    NewsWithViews.com


    On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
    federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
    matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
    distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama sighed a
    breath of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can
    Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the
    United States?"
    The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
    question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
    certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
    States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
    grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in
    Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son,
    Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant
    white wife who was close to term.)
    Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to
    Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
    Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim
    men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the
    airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's
    grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack
    Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.
    Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her
    son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
    supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
    Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
    certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
    While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on
    the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and
    used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not
    an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a
    self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was
    the real McCoy-even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective
    Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The
    county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an
    original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of
    the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the
    front of the electronic image.
    Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County.
    Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic State
    Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to learn the
    truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen. Obama may also
    have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent part of the story was
    Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had been in the United States
    and was a US citizen.
    In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United
    States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant
    Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to
    dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's
    opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered
    that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is
    denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to
    be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
    1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version)
    birth certificate; and
    2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
    3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."
    Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election Commission
    to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are eligible to
    hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that those candidates
    run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the presidential candidate,"
    Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required to ensure the eligibility
    requirements pursuant to our Constitution are met and the Presidential
    nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible to serve pursuant to our
    United States Constitution. In order to be eligible to run for the Office of
    President of the United States, you must be a "natural born" citizen.
    "There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley Ann
    Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father,
    Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents, according to
    divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2, 1961."
    "Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4, 1961
    and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born. Obama's
    grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim
    Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. Reports reflect that Obama's
    mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented
    from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii. at her late stage of pregnancy
    (which apparently are normal restrictions, to avoid births during flights).
    By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya,
    after which she flew home and registered Obama's birth. There are records of
    a "registry of birth" for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public
    records office in Hawaii."
    Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya Soetoro-with
    whom he was raised-seemed not to know where her own brother was born. In the
    Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya Soetoro said Obama was
    born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii. In
    February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star Bulletin. This time she told
    reporters that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kaliolani Medical
    Center for Women and Children. On June 9, 2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist
    with Online Journal published an article in which he said a research team
    went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a Certificate registering the live birth
    of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother,
    a US citizen.
    Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of 1940,
    Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship
    status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg argued, a minor
    child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of his or her
    custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetora signed a
    statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama natural Indonesian
    citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship
    listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under US law in effect in 1967
    required that foreign citizenship be achieved through "application." Which,
    according to Berg, is precisely what happened to Obama when his mother
    married Soetoro and the family moved to Indonesia.
    When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been
    enrolled in school-something that could not have happened under Indonesian
    law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the application) affirming
    that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to be an Indonesian State citizen.
    (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992,
    Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children of Indonesia include: (viii)
    children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen
    mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his
    children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years
    of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."
    Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen married
    a foreigner-in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann Obama-she was
    required to renounce her US citizenship .
    In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship,
    a document Obama must have applied for to regain his citizenship-which was
    lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only if the proper paperwork
    was filed with the US State Department when Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971
    since that is the only way Obama could regain his US "natural born" status.
    Berg is convinced that Obama was never naturalized in the United States
    after his return. Obama returned to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii
    without his mother. Since she is the only one who could have filed for the
    reinstatement of his citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it
    did, his Certificate of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the
    office of President. Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien
    who can't legally hold his seat in the US Senate.
    Count the number of Hussein's in this, and realize it's an opinion peice.
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    It wouldnt matter if he was or wasnt, most americans do not have any idea about the US constitution anyway.

    I am pretty sure if he wasnt that someone would have caught it in the democratic party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It wouldnt matter if he was or wasnt, most americans do not have any idea about the US constitution anyway.

    I am pretty sure if he wasnt that someone would have caught it in the democratic party.
    It does matter because even if he won the election he'd be pulled out of office if the lawsuit proved it to be true.

    It will never happen though. Republicans need to focus on the issues not stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It wouldnt matter if he was or wasnt, most americans do not have any idea about the US constitution anyway.

    I am pretty sure if he wasnt that someone would have caught it in the democratic party.
    exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    It wouldnt matter if he was or wasnt, most americans do not have any idea about the US constitution anyway.

    I am pretty sure if he wasnt that someone would have caught it in the democratic party.
    Or the Republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    Count the number of Hussein's in this, and realize it's an opinion peice.
    I am well aware. Hence the source cited "NewsWithViews.com"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeraDeMilo View Post
    I am well aware. Hence the source cited "NewsWithViews.com"
    Don't get me wrong, I dislike Obama.
    If this is proven to be true I think he should be in jail for wasting his party's money and defrauding the American public. Obviously he knows where he was born. I just strongly doubt this lawsuit will go anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I dislike Obama.
    If this is proven to be true I think he should be in jail for wasting his party's money and defrauding the American public. Obviously he knows where he was born. I just strongly doubt this lawsuit will go anywhere.
    I can understand that and I agree that the lawsuit probably won't pan out. Just thought I would post it since it was an article that was highly relevant to the original posters question.

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