Originally Posted by
thegodfather
The moral character of an illegal immigrant is irrelevant. The point is, by failing to enter the country through the legal channels establised by the host country, and respecting those laws, they have cheated those people who enter the country legally. Invariably, we have to admit less LEGAL immigrants to compensate for the amount of people who enter our country illegally, and that is not fair to those people who respect the laws of our land and enter through a legal pathway.
If you read the whole thread you'd realize this was already stated, and I completely agree. I was merely pointing out that everyone is bitching about this, and it's not going to change anything... not even the president and his threats to withhold federal resources has cured the problem obviously.
Additionally, the security risks of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration are immense. Open border policies means that we are allowing people to enter our country whos criminal backgound we have no knowledge of. For instance, the mass influx of immigrants from El Salvador which resulted in one of the most violent street gangs MS-13. I use that as an example to avoid the cliche of "terrorists" because the likelyhood of a terrorist gaining entry illegally is nill yet possible. These screening measures for people entering our country are in place for a good reason. There is no reason people with criminal backgrounds in other countrys should be granted asylum in this country, and then able to victimize legitimate United States citizens.
Agreed, however most of the terrorist threats we're facing now are actually home-grown. Likewise, the bequeathed respect for immigrants is growing less by the decade as a result of such characterized fears in the terror campaign; in a country that was founded on such progressivism.
Moving on, we can consider the societal and FINANCIAL impact of illegal immigration. It is without question that illegal immigration creates a bigger financial burden on the United States. While we benefit from cheap labor and services, we in fact lose more money through our social wellfare programs. Illegal immigrants take out more of the system than they contribute. They often send a large portion of their earnings back to their country of origin, benefitting their economy only. While here, they often do not pay income taxes, yet they use services which are paid for by tax paying American citizen, such as free healthcare in the Emergency Room, free education, and birthright citizenship. (Birthright citizenship is a misnomar in the Constitution which should be amended immediately so that only people who are born in the US to parents who are US citizens are actually citizens, not anyone who hops the border and shits out their kid real quick). They create a significant fianancial drain on our economy and add to the defecit this country feels.
Again, already covered in this thread, they utilize expenditures reserved for those who have legitimate claim to U.S. rights. Agreed.
There is often this fallacy that these illegal immigrants are much harder workers than American workers, and nothing could be further from the truth. The illegal immigrant cheats the American worker out of jobs by offering their labor at a rate significantly less than a tax paying American citizen would be able to sustain a him/herself or a family on. Illegal immigrants often pool their resources while staying in this country and live in confined quarters to cut costs. American citizens do not have the luxury of doing this and must often sustain their own nuclear family units. The American worker does not want the jobs that illegal immigrants occupy AT THE RATE THAT EMPLOYERS ARE PAYING THOSE WORKERS! Some people are even naive enough to label you a "racist" if you oppose illegal immigration and dont curtail your beliefs to the far left liberal/socialist viewpoint.
I don't agree with any leftfist's opinions on America or the world for that matter, for it is usually infused with satirical cabaret. To be honest, would you want to cut grass everyday for 8 hours in SW FL for $8 an hour? Not me, they find the means to an end by creating and catering to wealthy Americans via benign jobs to begin with.
Sell that bleeding heart feel-good liberal bullshit elsewhere.
To be honest, I take offense to someone who says I hate this country and who is American and lives here, and has all the freedoms in the world. Here in the U.S., the people ARE the government. When you insult or disparage our government, I can't help but take it personally. I am not saying I think we're perfect and I can agree with DSM's point, however I don't hate us because of our flaws, I use it as motivation to better us. I am in noway a liberal leftfist lol, and my points were valid, not bullshit. Maybe you should read the entire discussion in the thread, instead of the first reply, then restate what has been already been agreed upon.