Who is Hamas?

[NightWolf]

This is a video showing hamas killing palestineans.
The commentary guy is arab himself and i think
he makes some very good points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

[amcon]

This is a video showing hamas killing palestineans.
The commentary guy is arab himself and i think
he makes some very good points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4e...topic=257310.0

wrong link? repost that

[*RAGE*]

He does wow

[NightWolf]

wrong link? repost that

try it now

[Dinosaur]

all propaganda and fake.
to stand on right side we don't know who this guy is or what is he trying to get into one thing i know for sure his against the hamas party.
just read the comments under the video and u will understand.

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

This is a video showing hamas killing palestineans.
The commentary guy is arab himself and i think
he makes some very good points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I

It is a racist propaganda video. The video says:

"The Muslims of the world deserve the title of the greatest hypocrites."

Now imagine if that read:

"The Jews of the world deserve the title of the greatest hypocrites."

Such a person would be labeled as a racist, bigot, and anti-Semite. Even a person who dared to post the link would be labeled as such, and he would be blacklisted and ostracized.

But it's ok to do it against Muslims, because hey, they're just brown sub-human devil-worshipers.

I haven't seen the entire video yet, so I'll respond in full when I do, God-Willing.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[amcon]

who ever this guy is he had real video... either way... their some angry people in this world...

[BuffedGuy]

The commentary guy is arab himself and i think
he makes some very good points.

First of all, the man is a Christian, not a Muslim, so it is a bit dishonest for you to say "he is an Arab himself". You conveniently forgot to mention that he is an Arab Christian with an axe to grind. What you *should* have said to be honest would have been to say that this is what one Christian hatemonger and bigot has to say about Muslims.

Second of all, what good points did he bring up? He brought up a lot of issues, and only a completely ignorant person would be convinced of them. But I challenge you to post any of his arguments here, and I will refute them. Sorry to say, but this video is inflammatory and I will take off the gloves when I respond.

So now I await you or anyone else to state what are the points he raised in the video which are "good". I would refute the video point by point but that would take ages. Instead what I'll say is make bullets as to what are the good points and I will decimate his arguments. Again, the gloves are off.

Do you think that we shall remain silent whilst you propagate hatred and bigotry under the guise of exposing hatred and bigotry? Certainly not.

I am waiting.

[Voice of Reason]

I wish you all would just turn into human beings instead of labeling yourselves this or that fighting for nonsense and fictitious supernatural Gods, this dumbsh!t just keeps humanity from moving forward into a unified bliss of acceptance and prosperity no matter where we are from... (Earth)

Simple minded brainwashed god delusional idiots.

[Kale]

I wish you all would just turn into human beings instead of labeling yourselves this or that fighting for nonsense and fictitious supernatural Gods, this dumbsh!t just keeps humanity from moving forward into a unified bliss of acceptance and prosperity no matter where we are from... (Earth)

Simple minded brainwashed god delusional idiots.

Amen to that brother !!!!!

[BuffedGuy]

Distortion #1: Palestinians Celebrating 9/11

The video claims that Palestinians rejoiced after 9/11. Right after 9/11 was announced, FOX News (the extremist neo-conservative channel) showed footage of Palestinians dancing on the streets. Question: were any of the Palestinians interviewed at that time? Did any of them say "we are glad that American women and children were killed?" Did they? No. In fact, what did the Palestinian leader say? He condemned the 9/11 attack, did he not?

OK, so you showed footage of Palestinians dancing. My sister's birthday is on 9/11, believe it or not. So if we were celebrating her birthday at that moment, would you say we were celebrating the 9/11 attacks and then use this as some sort of twisted proof for how bloodthirsty the Muslims are? (Who in fact are the bigots here? It is indeed those who are trying to expose the bigotry who themselves are the bigots.)

So tell me: why didn't they interview the Palestinians and ask them what they were happy about? Let's even pretend that they were happy that America got attacked, so what? (I don't think there is any evidence to prove that this was the case, by the way, but let's just say...) America has been supplying BILLIONS of dollars of military aid to Israel. The bombs dropped on Palestinian heads are labeled "made in the USA". So if Palestinians are being slaughtered day in and day out due to America, why do you think that they wouldn't be happy that America is finally attacked?

The bigots are claiming that the Palestinians immediately *knew* that civilians were killed in the 9/11 attacks. Who says that? For example, if Jews in concentration camps during WWII heard that Nazi Germany was attacked and suffered huge casualties, don't you think they'd be happy? Maybe later they'd hear that the attack was against civilians and then reconsider any happiness, but again, you can't judge the situation by the immediate reaction when the facts aren't even known.

What this bigot in the video didn't mention is that Gallup Poll surveyed the ONE BILLION Muslims in the world, and found that the OVERWHELMING majority condemned 9/11. So to claim that Muslims don't care about these American deaths is a patent lie.

Going back to the video of Palestinians dancing in the streets...why didn't the media report about how some Jews were dancing and celebrating whilst they taped the 9/11 attacks? As one article says:

In New Jersey, 5 Israelis (Sivan Kurzberg, Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari) were taking video or photos of themselves smiling with the World Trade Center burning in the background. These men were arrested and their cameras were seized. I have seen videos and pictures seized by police shown on TV before, why not in this case? One photograph that the Israelis took was developed by the FBI showed Sivan Kurzberg holding a lighted lighter in the foreground, with the smoldering wreckage in the background, said Steven Noah Gordon, a lawyer for the five Israelis. Why wasn't the American public treated to the images of Israelis celebrating RIGHT HERE AMONG US? Why did mainstream media not show their images at the time?

(It took MONTHS before it was even mentioned on mainstream TV and when it finally was mentioned the pictures of the Israelis were still not shown. When it was mentioned it was in the context of explaining it away, they broadcast the lawyers excuse that it was simply immaturity! No such explanation was given for the Palestinians who were for the most part literally immature because they were actually children. The Israelis were adult men here in our country.) The mainstream media didn't even want to tell the television viewers that Israelis were celebrating and had been arrested after a witness called police. "They were like happy, you know ... They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," the witness said about the celebrating Israelis.

http://thinkagaintv.tripod.com/Pales...lebrating.html

The bigot who put this video up showed a Palestinian woman and said that she was a criminal and animal for supporting 9/11. And his only evidence to prove that she supported 9/11 was that she was celebrating. Did you know that they interviewed this lady later, and she said that she condemns 9/11?

Read:

The Palestinian woman who was offered cake says she abhors the acts in New York and Washington.

http://thinkagaintv.tripod.com/Pales...lebrating.html

It is well known that the Palestinian people are starving and dying due to Israeli blockades. So any time a convoy or truck passes through passing out sweets, the Palestinians start celebrating and dancing behind the truck. This is all that went on.

Read the article for more details:

http://thinkagaintv.tripod.com/Pales...lebrating.html

It is interesting though that all the Muslim world leaders lamented the 9/11 attacks, whereas the Israeli leader (although he did send condolences) said that 9/11 was the best thing that happened to the Israelis.

-Saladin.

[BuffedGuy]

Distortion #2: The Palestinian children with weapons

The bigot in the video is advocating killing children. So who is the extremist here?

He shows videos of Palestinian children with weaponry, to show how barbaric the Muslims are. I deplore the militarization of the entire region, but let's get some perspective and balance here.

Here are pictures of Israeli children signing bombs as "gifts to the Palestinians":







One article explains that these pictures show "the happy faces of the little Israeli children writing pleasant greetings and birthday wishes on big bombs meant for Lebanon and signing their names to them."

And here are Israeli settlers teaching their kids how to use guns:



I'll have you know that extremist Muslims (who I oppose) often use all these images as "proofs" that it is ok to kill Israeli kids. What I tell them is: how can you claim this when you KNOW that the children are being forced into all of this?

Just as it is absurd to use these images as a proof that it is ok to kill Israeli children, it is JUST AS ABSURD to justify the Israeli killing of hundreds of Palestinian children.

The hypocrisy of the Zionists and Islamophobes knows no bounds! May God save us from extremism, both from within our own ranks and those who oppose us.

-Saladin.

[BuffedGuy]

Distortion #3: Hamas killed those people because they were singing.

Absurd. Hamas has tons of such songs they produce themselves. They sing them ALL THE TIME themselves.

Again, this is just like the Palestinian rejoicing thing...they show something and then claim that this is the reason why such-and-such happened, when in fact there is no proof for that REASON at all.

How can we even know that this video was of Hamas to begin with? (Keep in mind I oppose Hamas's tactics.) But even if it was Hamas, how do we know why they attacked these other people?

As for the video after, where they show Hamas marching out Fatah members, then this is well-known that Hamas and Fatah have a huge rivalry. And where do they kill the Fatah members? (Going back to the wedding scene, it is likely that the wedding turned into a brawl between the two political parties...certainly nothing to do with singing.)

I don't see how the Hamas and Fatah rivalry means that suddenly Hamas is worse to the Palestinians than Israel? Last time I checked, it was the Israelis who were killing hundreds of Palestinians, blockading their cities, and making them live in (what are effectively) concentration camps.

What kind of absurd logic is it that two rival political parties killing a handful of the opposing side means that they are worse than the foreign occupier who is killing hundreds!? Truly such logic can only work for a bigot.

-Saladin.

[MuscleScience]

Distortion #2: The Palestinian children with weapons

The bigot in the video is advocating killing children. So who is the extremist here?

He shows videos of Palestinian children with weaponry, to show how barbaric the Muslims are. I deplore the militarization of the entire region, but let's get some perspective and balance here.

Here are pictures of Israeli children signing bombs as "gifts to the Palestinians":







One article explains that these pictures show "the happy faces of the little Israeli children writing pleasant greetings and birthday wishes on big bombs meant for Lebanon and signing their names to them."

And here are Israeli settlers teaching their kids how to use guns:



I'll have you know that extremist Muslims (who I oppose) often use all these images as "proofs" that it is ok to kill Israeli kids. What I tell them is: how can you claim this when you KNOW that the children are being forced into all of this?

Just as it is absurd to use these images as a proof that it is ok to kill Israeli children, it is JUST AS ABSURD to justify the Israeli killing of hundreds of Palestinian children.

The hypocrisy of the Zionists and Islamophobes knows no bounds! May God save us from extremism, both from within our own ranks and those who oppose us.

-Saladin.

No matter what everyone has to admit that BuffedGuy can debate with the best of them....

[BuffedGuy]

I think I've dealt with all the main issues raised in the video. I'd just like to say that it is really offensive how he calls Muslims to be animals, criminals, etc. This is the de-humanization of Palestinians which is the very reason for this carnage we see in Gaza.

[Kale]

I think I've dealt with all the main issues raised in the video. I'd just like to say that it is really offensive how he calls Muslims to be animals, criminals, etc. This is the de-humanization of Palestinians which is the very reason for this carnage we see in Gaza.

Dude you will never overcome the brainwashing and demonization that has happened on both sides of the fence but I commend you for trying.

[BuffedGuy]

No matter what everyone has to admit that BuffedGuy can debate with the best of them....

Haha, thanks, although I think it has less to do with me and more to do with the fact that bigots (be they Christians/Jews or "my fellow" Muslim extremists) are so easy to refute, because their arguments all revolve around stereotyping, sensationalism, etc.

[BuffedGuy]

Dude you will never overcome the brainwashing and demonization that has happened on both sides of the fence but I commend you for trying.

Thanks.

I do hope that we all can work to a better future, God-Willing. Extremism is the suck.

[MuscleScience]

I think I've dealt with all the main issues raised in the video. I'd just like to say that it is really offensive how he calls Muslims to be animals, criminals, etc. This is the de-humanization of Palestinians which is the very reason for this carnage we see in Gaza.

That is a key point, it is easier to kill that which is not human. All moral attachments to murder are lost when one person views another person not as a person but nothing more than a animal.

[Phate]

That is a key point, it is easier to kill that which is not human. All moral attachments to murder are lost when one person views another person not as a person but nothing more than a animal.

though isn't it interesting how desensitized to human death we are? look at movies, if you go to see a movie like saw and see people tortured and killed you don't bat an eye, but go see Marley and Me, as soon as the dog dies everyone in the theater breaks into tears

[Charger527]

all i can say is deep, and buffed guy does bring across some good points, but its very hard to change peoples minds about things like this.

Some times you just have to say "agree to disagree"(ron B)

[Charger527]

though isn't it interesting how desensitized to human death we are? look at movies, if you go to see a movie like saw and see people tortured and killed you don't bat an eye, but go see Marley and Me, as soon as the dog dies everyone in the theater breaks into tears

thanks for wrecking the moive for me.

But in topic yes i show alot more emotion towards an animal then i do to a human. think it is because animals are about as innocent as you can get.
does not stop me shooting them but lol (only the pests)

[MuscleScience]

though isn't it interesting how desensitized to human death we are? look at movies, if you go to see a movie like saw and see people tortured and killed you don't bat an eye, but go see Marley and Me, as soon as the dog dies everyone in the theater breaks into tears

Same with video games, I have killed hundreds of thousands of people in virtual reality since I started playing FPS games..

[BuffedGuy]

I wish you all would just turn into human beings instead of labeling yourselves this or that fighting for nonsense and fictitious supernatural Gods, this dumbsh!t just keeps humanity from moving forward into a unified bliss of acceptance and prosperity no matter where we are from... (Earth)

Simple minded brainwashed god delusional idiots.

I usually ignore such comments, but I just want to say that this is also extremism. There are religious extremists (including Muslim/Christian/Jewish ones) and there are also atheist extremists. Just like it is offensive for a Muslim to bash Christianity and vice/versa, it is also offensive for an atheist to bash religions. In the end, atheism is just a religion, or at least just like a religion. It is a set of beliefs.

The extremist atheists say that it would be possible to "unify" humanity by eliminating religions...what is the difference between this and an extremist Muslim saying we can "unify" humanity by eliminating all other religions?

As for the idea that all religious people are simple-minded, I ask: is it the person asking or the one asked who is the simpleton? Same thing with the accusation of being idiots. I'm not actually directing this at anyone in particular, but I am just saying that the obnoxious atheists are no different than the obnoxious Muslims/Christians/etc. They are simpletons and idiots.

Atheists come in all shapes and forms, just like theistic peoples. On the one hand, you have your intelligent and sophisticated atheists who aren't obnoxious about their beliefs (such as say Dr. Bart D Ehrman), whilst others are just as obnoxious as those they are fighting in the name of removing obnoxious religious people from this earth. The simpletons from the atheists are those who are sick of religious people shoving their beliefs down their throats; so is there any logic in shoving atheistic beliefs down the throats of religious people? Is not the matter the same?

I think that the bottom line is that whatever beliefs we have, let us be respectful of each other, talk with kindness and mercy with each other, and forgive each other for our faults whenever we can. As the Quran says: to you your beliefs, and to me mine!

That is a key point, it is easier to kill that which is not human. All moral attachments to murder are lost when one person views another person not as a person but nothing more than a animal.

Totally agreed.

-Saladin.

[Phate]

thanks for wrecking the moive for me.

But in topic yes i show alot more emotion towards an animal then i do to a human. think it is because animals are about as innocent as you can get.
does not stop me shooting them but lol (only the pests)

my bad, we had a thread on it in the lounge a couple days ago so i thought most people knew by now

[Kale]

though isn't it interesting how desensitized to human death we are? look at movies, if you go to see a movie like saw and see people tortured and killed you don't bat an eye, but go see Marley and Me, as soon as the dog dies everyone in the theater breaks into tears

This is an interesting point, the road tole being a classic example. 20 people can die on the road over a long weekend and nobody bats an eyelid but if three people die in a light plane crash its front page news !!!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

edited...no trouble

Voice for president!!!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Well that post came off a bit heated...

[Voice of Reason]

I usually ignore such comments, but I just want to say that this is also extremism. There are religious extremists (including Muslim/Christian/Jewish ones) and there are also atheist extremists. Just like it is offensive for a Muslim to bash Christianity and vice/versa, it is also offensive for an atheist to bash religions. In the end, atheism is just a religion, or at least just like a religion. It is a set of beliefs.

The extremist atheists say that it would be possible to "unify" humanity by eliminating religions...what is the difference between this and an extremist Muslim saying we can "unify" humanity by eliminating all other religions?

As for the idea that all religious people are simple-minded, I ask: is it the person asking or the one asked who is the simpleton? Same thing with the accusation of being idiots. I'm not actually directing this at anyone in particular, but I am just saying that the obnoxious atheists are no different than the obnoxious Muslims/Christians/etc. They are simpletons and idiots.

Atheists come in all shapes and forms, just like theistic peoples. On the one hand, you have your intelligent and sophisticated atheists who aren't obnoxious about their beliefs (such as say Dr. Bart D Ehrman), whilst others are just as obnoxious as those they are fighting in the name of removing obnoxious religious people from this earth. The simpletons from the atheists are those who are sick of religious people shoving their beliefs down their throats; so is there any logic in shoving atheistic beliefs down the throats of religious people? Is not the matter the same?

I think that the bottom line is that whatever beliefs we have, let us be respectful of each other, talk with kindness and mercy with each other, and forgive each other for our faults whenever we can. As the Quran says: to you your beliefs, and to me mine!



Totally agreed.

-Saladin.

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, it gets nowhere cause your soo closed minded and a pvssy for not straight up calling me out as to who your obviously talking about. Then your calling me an atheist and you don't even know me, again labeling people... Wake Up Bro, this is 2009 your book your getting your life lessons on was written long, long, long, retarded times ago, I don't even care!

[BuffedGuy]

I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, it gets nowhere cause your soo closed minded and a pvssy for not straight up calling me out as to who your obviously talking about. Then your calling me an atheist and you don't even know me, again labeling people... Wake Up Bro, this is 2009 your book your getting your life lessons on was written long, long, long, retarded times ago, I don't even care!

It's not about not being the word you said. Rather, it was my criticism of atheist extremists in general. If I want to call you something, I would...like I have called people out for being bigots before.

I do not know if you are an atheist or not. My response was meant in general towards those who say that we need to do away with religions altogether.

[Voice of Reason]

But, you did, cause you wouldn't have wrote it cause I was the only one here that said "I wish you all would just turn into human beings" in meaning give up the ooga booga BS and evolve into a conscious rational thinking human.

To answer your query, I was raised Buddhist, but I can't say I practice it cause I live in the moment. ooohhmmmm....

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, Voice of Reason.

But, you did, cause you wouldn't have wrote it cause I was the only one here that said "I wish you all would just turn into human beings" in meaning give up the ooga booga BS and evolve into a conscious rational thinking human.

I did not mean to say you are simpleton necessarily. Rather, I meant that if you persist in this belief, then you will be one. What I said was meant as a rhetorical device, i.e. to caution, admonish, and to deter a person from holding a certain erroneous view.

This may be a cultural difference. I am too used to having "Islamic discussions", and it is generally the custom in such debates to use a rhetorical device designed not to condemn a person as such-and-such but as a warning that if he holds onto this belief he will become one of them. For example, one student of religion might say "I hold such-and-such belief to be true", and then another would refute him saying "Nobody can hold this belief and be a believer." He doesn't actually mean that the person he is refuting is a disbeliever; rather, he is cautioning him that if you persist in this belief, you will become one.

This is a part of the mercy of Islamic discussions, whereby a person is given some leeway and room to breathe. A person may hold an erroneous belief because he hasn't heard all the good logical arguments or he hasn't been presented all the solid evidence to the contrary. So such a person would not be held in the bad esteem as the one who *has* been presented all the arguments and evidences. In other words, only those who hold onto foolish beliefs and persist in them (i.e. are obstinate in their views) are condemned, whereas the others (for whom there is hope of swaying their opinions) are simply cautioned and warned.

So what I meant to say to you is that if you persist in this belief, i.e. that anybody who believes in religion is a simpleton, then you will be a simpleton yourself. Rather, you should educate yourself and expand yourself so that you come to know the falseness in your belief. There are definitely some smart theists, as well as some smart atheists. To categorize them all as you have done is not an intelligent thing to do. Heck, Einstein was a theist.

Hope that clarifies what I said to you.

-Saladin.

[PT]

hamas is nothing more then a bunch of thugs that kill innocent people and use human shields to protect there own pathetic butts. what kind of person straps a bomb to there body, walks on a bus half full of children and blows themselves up? a freaking nut is who and if there is a heaven and hell then im sure there burning in hell right now

[BuffedGuy]

hamas is nothing more then a bunch of thugs that kill innocent people and use human shields to protect there own pathetic butts. what kind of person straps a bomb to there body, walks on a bus half full of children and blows themselves up? a freaking nut is who and if there is a heaven and hell then im sure there burning in hell right now

I want to make it clear that I condemn Hamas's tactics. I am not from those who justify them or deny that they have gone to extremism.

I think people need to think of it like the Native Americans verse the early American pioneers. A faction of the Native Americans went to the extreme and started scalping the heads of white women and children. So there was this internal struggle between the young extreme Native Americans and the older more conciliatory Native Americans. The problem is that the more the US back-stabbed the Native Americans, the more they pushed Native Americans into the former camp away from the latter. The conciliatory party--which worked with the US--seemed like collaborators, enablers, traitors, cowards, etc. to other Native Americans. Same is the case with Israel. The more they break their word and kill Palestinians, the more Palestinians will realize that talking is useless and extremism is the only solution.

I am not an apologist for Hamas. I just think that the video posted is not just an attack on Hamas, but it is a thinly disguised attack on Palestinians and Muslims in generality. Yes, Hamas targets women and children, but the vast majority of Muslims (as polled by Gallup Poll) are completely opposed to targeting women, children, or non-combatants.

-Saladin.

[Matt]

It also has to be noted that israel has targeted buildings full of women and children, so arent they just as bad? People saying that Hamas hide behind women and children is also bs, it doesnt happen people, never has done and never will. Its an excuse that the israelis use to allow them to murder women and children..

[BuffedGuy]

It also has to be noted that israel has targeted buildings full of women and children, so arent they just as bad? People saying that Hamas hide behind women and children is also bs, it doesnt happen people, never has done and never will. Its an excuse that the israelis use to allow them to murder women and children..

Exactly.

Actually, I don't think Israel is just as bad. I think they are worse. Since they are the occupier. And they have killed 50 times as many civilians.

[PT]

It also has to be noted that israel has targeted buildings full of women and children, so arent they just as bad? People saying that Hamas hide behind women and children is also bs, it doesnt happen people, never has done and never will. Its an excuse that the israelis use to allow them to murder women and children..

i agree 100% and im am by no means on anyones side here. i think the UN needs to send troops in and stop the fighting. israel has one of the best intelligence agency's in the world and they should send a small group of special forces into kill the one's responsible for the bombings and rockets instead of bombing killing people(the same thing we should of done in iraq). i think both sides here are in the wrong and all that is coming out of this is innocent casulties and more hatred. this war has been going on for hundreds of years so its time to except the fact that there will never be peace without some kind of intervention from the UN

[BuffedGuy]

i agree 100% and im am by no means on anyones side here. i think the UN needs to send troops in and stop the fighting. israel has one of the best intelligence agency's in the world and they should send a small group of special forces into kill the one's responsible for the bombings and rockets instead of bombing killing people(the same thing we should of done in iraq). i think both sides here are in the wrong and all that is coming out of this is innocent casulties and more hatred. this war has been going on for hundreds of years so its time to except the fact that there will never be peace without some kind of intervention from the UN

The UN doing that would be great, but Israel would never agree to that unfortunately.

[NightWolf]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.



It is a racist propaganda video. The video says:

"The Muslims of the world deserve the title of the greatest hypocrites."

Now imagine if that read:

"The Jews of the world deserve the title of the greatest hypocrites."

Such a person would be labeled as a racist, bigot, and anti-Semite. Even a person who dared to post the link would be labeled as such, and he would be blacklisted and ostracized.

But it's ok to do it against Muslims, because hey, they're just brown sub-human devil-worshipers.

I haven't seen the entire video yet, so I'll respond in full when I do, God-Willing.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

So its a racist propaganda video? How come that EVERYTHING
that does not support the palestinians or the muslims is a racist propaganda video?

Sure the guy that was commentary was Christian
Just as the guy that YOU posted 2 diffrent videos of
who was talking against the jews was aturk and muslim,
Sure i bet his opinons was not biased at all

You asked what good points the commentary on this video had, sure i will give you the good points,

First off hes not only saying that Hamas kills there own people
he also shows Videos of that!

1. First video Hamas killing people that was celebrating a wedding:
Ok so here you said "hey how do we know that they killed them because of a weeding"

Well we dont, BUT either way do you think that a group of
idiots comming in with machine guns and start killing people
at a wedding has ANY good reason to do so?
If that is not an terrorist act then i dont know what is..


2. Second video showing arabs dancing and celebrating
on the 9/11 day. The commentary said
"look at these people dancing and celebrating the death
of 3000 innocent human lives, but still they want the rest
of the world to cry for them" I found your explanation
here very weak man, you said "how do we know they where dancing
to the 9/11 killing. Sure they never interviewed the people dancing
in this video BUT at the time of 9/11 they showed more
then 1 video of arabs (not just palestinians) dancing and burning the
american flag. So i think deep down in your heart you know
exactly why these arabs were dancing and celebrating on 9/11.

3. third video showing Hamas leding 40-50 guys with AK`s
pointed on them and heads covered up
just because they belong to a diffrent political party?
your answer was that these 2 partys do not like each other.
So what? does that give them the right to hal them of with Ak´s
and killing them? (yes if they were able to kill the people in the wedding
i also belive they killed the these guys)

4. The videos shows Hamas training young boys
to kill and hate jews, your answer was that the israeil
let kids sign there names on the rockets.

Well if you ask me i think both sides are wrong in doing so.

Your more then welcome to discuss, but please try to
put your biased opinons aside.

Thanks

[Matt]

i agree 100% and im am by no means on anyones side here. i think the UN needs to send troops in and stop the fighting. israel has one of the best intelligence agency's in the world and they should send a small group of special forces into kill the one's responsible for the bombings and rockets instead of bombing killing people(the same thing we should of done in iraq). i think both sides here are in the wrong and all that is coming out of this is innocent casulties and more hatred. this war has been going on for hundreds of years so its time to except the fact that there will never be peace without some kind of intervention from the UN

Yes the UN would be the best bet, however like Buffedguy said the israels would never let this happen. Another idea would be to give the Palestinians their land back and just leave them alone, that would be the end of it. But again israel wont let this happen. You could open the borders and allow the Palestinians to live like humans, but im sorry, the israelis wont allow this. You could give the people of Gaza their daily basic human needs like clean water, fresh food and fuel, but israel have said no to this. So that leaves one option, just kill every man woman and child in Gaza and hand all the land to israel, you can bet your life the israelis would agree to this...