Can liver ever heal after abuse with orals or anything that hurts it?

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 05:09 PM

i was wondering if i mess up my liver from taking stuff or heavy drinking, will it ever heal? or the damage stays for ever?

***RAGE*** · 06-20-2009, 05:16 PM

Good question,

My liver filed abuse charges against me. I have court on it next week so I will let you know what the jury has to say about that one....

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 06-20-2009, 05:16 PM

The liver is the only internal human organ capable of natural regeneration of lost tissue; as little as 25% of a liver can regenerate into a whole liver.
This is predominantly due to the hepatocytes re-entering the cell cycle. That is, the hepatocytes go from the quiescent G0 phase to the G1 phase and undergo mitosis. This process is activated by the p75 receptors.[8] There is also some evidence of bipotential stem cells, called ovalocytes or hepatic oval cells, which are thought to reside in the canals of Hering. These cells can differentiate into either hepatocytes or cholangiocytes, the latter being the cells that line the bile ducts.

**Ernst** · 06-20-2009, 05:24 PM

Yes and no. The liver can and does regenerate, and it's quite resilient. Usually it takes a nice overdose or years of abuse to cause the kind of meaningful and noticeable damage I think you are referring to.

**l2elapse** · 06-20-2009, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

The liver is the only internal human organ capable of natural regeneration of lost tissue; as little as 25% of a liver can regenerate into a whole liver.
This is predominantly due to the hepatocytes re-entering the cell cycle. That is, the hepatocytes go from the quiescent G0 phase to the G1 phase and undergo mitosis. This process is activated by the p75 receptors.[8] There is also some evidence of bipotential stem cells, called ovalocytes or hepatic oval cells, which are thought to reside in the canals of Hering. These cells can differentiate into either hepatocytes or cholangiocytes, the latter being the cells that line the bile ducts.

both good posts, it can reheal itself unless you just completely destroyed it

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 07:31 PM

Ok. I was wondering bc i have seen some people stacking oralls together which both put stress on their liver. I have taken few orals my self and i was thinking if that damage stays for ever and just grows or if it recovers slowly

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 07:31 PM

what would destroy a liver?

**ottomaddox** · 06-20-2009, 07:51 PM

This will: The Death Cap Mushroom (Amanita phalloides)

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

what would destroy a liver?

**peachfuzz** · 06-20-2009, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

what would destroy a liver?

burning it
garbage disposal
cancer

those type of things

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 08:19 PM

lol great!!!!

**jbm** · 06-20-2009, 08:34 PM

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 08:39 PM

the liver-aid..does that really work? lol im not sure if thats a joke or like actually for real?

**sizerp** · 06-20-2009, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

This will: The Amanita Muscaria

That a magic mushroom?

**Bojangles69** · 06-20-2009, 08:50 PM

Thats a legal weak mushroom.. not the ones you buy on the street, but still a hallucinogen nonetheless.. I just uh.. know uh.. about mushrooms and stuff.

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 08:52 PM

Is there a site i can order it from? i want one!!!!! I want to hallucinate me having 30 inch arms

**phat_matt85** · 06-20-2009, 08:54 PM

If the liver can recover at somepoint, why do alot of poeple say its a terrible idea to stack 2 orals? like for ex winny and...i dunno something thats strong too! I mean if you take it for a month and stay clean for a year or 6 months, whats the big deal?

**Chitown Raider** · 06-20-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

If the liver can recover at somepoint, why do alot of poeple say its a terrible idea to stack 2 orals? like for ex winny and...i dunno something thats strong too! I mean if you take it for a month and stay clean for a year or 6 months, whats the big deal?

From what I've heard the two orals that are the most toxic on the liver are winny and halo. With that said, to me it would make most sense to just use one of these orals for a 6 week period instead of doing double the damage. Besides one is for cutting and the other is for bulking.

**MuscleScience** · 06-20-2009, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bojangles69

Thats a legal weak mushroom.. not the ones you buy on the street, but still a hallucinogen nonetheless.. I just uh.. know uh.. about mushrooms and stuff.

There are ones people pick off of cow shit...

**phat_matt85** · 06-21-2009, 10:08 AM

I remeber when i took M1T i could feel my liver asking for help, so i cant even imagine what my liver would feel like taking to orals but i was just wondering what you guys have to say about it. Im glad to hear that liver recovers some-what by it selfs lol. THANK YOU GOD!! lol

**peachfuzz** · 06-21-2009, 11:12 AM

^you might also be glad to hear your liver doesnt feel.

**ni4ni** · 06-21-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by phat_matt85

I remeber when i took M1T i could feel my liver asking for help, so i cant even imagine what my liver would feel like taking to orals but i was just wondering what you guys have to say about it. Im glad to hear that liver recovers some-what by it selfs lol. THANK YOU GOD!! lol

phat- make sure to get a hepatic panel and keep a watch on ast/alt enzyme increases. any increase should trigger you to think liver-
just my .02

**Hazard** · 06-21-2009, 12:06 PM

i've taken dbol and anadrol together..... my liver loved it lol.

Also..... im finding out that the strongest oral is Methyl Tren ...... which my liver is currently looking forward to taking.....

~Haz~

**ni4ni** · 06-21-2009, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

i've taken dbol and anadrol together..... my liver loved it lol.

Also..... im finding out that the strongest oral is Methyl Tren ...... which my liver is currently looking forward to taking.....

~Haz~

Lemme guess...your liver told ya so,huh?
lol

**Hazard** · 06-21-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by ni4ni

Lemme guess...your liver told ya so,huh?
lol

lol - look the stuff up..... i keep hearing things about going jaundice in a few weeks if you take too much..... and it's dosed in mcg's not mg's.....

~Haz~

**phat_matt85** · 06-21-2009, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by ni4ni

phat- make sure to get a hepatic panel and keep a watch on ast/alt enzyme increases. any increase should trigger you to think liver-
just my .02

lol im sorry, i have nooo idea what anything is that you have just said, i will look it on google when i get it chance though

**Tigershark** · 06-23-2009, 12:20 AM

The liver is really tough. They can take half a liver out of somebody to use in someone else like a relative and within 90 days the liver has regenerated. That is one kick ass organ we have. If you are worried about it you can have your doc do a blood test.

**Immortal Soldier** · 06-23-2009, 05:16 PM

The liver can heal until the point it gets Cirrhosis, once scar tissue starts developing across the liver it starts replacing healthy tissue at this point the liver cannot regenerate to an new healthy liver since the scar tissue starts interferring with bile ducts and liver function.

So it depends, if your abuse goes to the point of cirrhosis chances are the liver will have a hard time recovering and if the cirrhosis worsens than your ****ed.

**Hazard** · 06-23-2009, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tigershark

The liver is really tough. They can take half a liver out of somebody to use in someone else like a relative and within 90 days the liver has regenerated. That is one kick ass organ we have. If you are worried about it you can have your doc do a blood test.

I think we should be born with 2

- we should also get a 3rd set of teeth when we turn 45 LOL

~Haz~

**phat_matt85** · 06-24-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Immortal Soldier

The liver can heal until the point it gets Cirrhosis, once scar tissue starts developing across the liver it starts replacing healthy tissue at this point the liver cannot regenerate to an new healthy liver since the scar tissue starts interferring with bile ducts and liver function.

So it depends, if your abuse goes to the point of cirrhosis chances are the liver will have a hard time recovering and if the cirrhosis worsens than your ****ed.

Never knew that..thanks man!