Huge demand in the IT field in 2012

[yannick35]

Well i cant beleive this news, but i guess by now i have seen several news channel and programmer that say in 2012 there will be some amazing demands in the IT fields.

Apparently most youngsters don't even bother to go in IT fields anymore, network tech, computer tech and programmers.

I turned down a job back in July and the company called me back to find out if i wanted to switch jobs.... honest to god this has never ever happened to me before.

I got he experience now and i guess it feels great.

[t-gunz]

i'm 22 and get my diploma in network engieering in 9 weeks.

can't wait.

thinking of going to the Aus defence force and doing information systems technician.

[yannick35]

i'm 22 and get my diploma in network engieering in 9 weeks.

can't wait.

thinking of going to the Aus defence force and doing information systems technician.

Go where the $$$ is and good luck, i have 12 years of experience has technician and went back to school to get security networking, active directory and exchange server upgrades.

Next is cisco and i am done.

[xnotoriousx]

2012

[t-gunz]

Go where the $$$ is and good luck, i have 12 years of experience has technician and went back to school to get security networking, active directory and exchange server upgrades.

Next is cisco and i am done.

nice work.

yeah i'm thinking of doing my advanced diploma in network security!

only a 6 month course

[lovbyts]

Are these only certificate/diploma classes and not certificates of CCNA or CCNA + security?

[spywizard]

CISSP the only one that really counts..

but if you have a masters in Computer Science most fortune 100 companies will hire and and spend the $$$ to get you trained into what they want/need you to learn..

[t-gunz]

Are these only certificate/diploma classes and not certificates of CCNA or CCNA + security?

diploma. not the other certs yet..... doing one at a time

[t-gunz]

CISSP the only one that really counts..

but if you have a masters in Computer Science most fortune 100 companies will hire and and spend the $$$ to get you trained into what they want/need you to learn..

i heard that also. once you know the basics they train you to do what they want you to do.

[lovbyts]

i heard that also. once you know the basics they train you to do what they want you to do.

Good luck with that.... I have worked in IT for 10+ years and most companies like you to already have your CISSP, CCNA, MCSE etc. From my experience the degree means almost nothing. Maybe things have change????

[spywizard]

the certs are important.. but to go above 100K yr you need the degree, the perfect combination is a person with business and IT dual major..

To make real money you need to be able to manage people and projects..

but I was only in the industry 8 yrs, or rather i owned a small IT company doing bank security..

The degree really isn't needed, however at some point you will need something that a company can say.. hey, this guy has more potential..

Here in Minnesota, when my company closed the degree is what my engineers found out they really needed, if they wanted to keep making 100K + yr.. or if they wanted to work at a fortune 100 company..

[t-gunz]

Good luck with that.... I have worked in IT for 10+ years and most companies like you to already have your CISSP, CCNA, MCSE etc. From my experience the degree means almost nothing. Maybe things have change????

what cert have you got?

i'm uncertain on the courses i should do. next year once my diploma is done!

just going to look into it more

[rutherdbrown]

It will take 2 years for me to enter the industry.. waiting for that day to come... i am so excited... Computers are the best and have covered the most of world today...

[t-gunz]

why 2 years?

[lovbyts]

what cert have you got?

i'm uncertain on the courses i should do. next year once my diploma is done!

just going to look into it more

I have A+, had my MCSE (let it expire) took all the CCNA but never got certified because my job luckily doesnt require it and my ITIL.

I HATE trying to play the keep up game with working and school. I'm lucky and my current job does not really require much and pays GOOD and had very little stress except I'm doing what I swore I would NEVER do, working with routers... I LOVED hardware and my job morphed into CCNA/Router work... How the hell did that happen. LOL

I would still LOVE to retire or at least stay here for another 5-10 years since I have already been with this company in different fields for 15 years.

Personally I would never get into the IT field again due to competition but for someone who LOVES security, playing with rules, routers and such it's fine. I have always been more of a hands on type guy but Im more than willing to just kick back and relax now days.

[t-gunz]

thanks for your input! i'm not going near networking or anything for 2 weeks... TAFE break so i'm going to enjoy it. then i'll look into what is suitable for me to have a successful career i'm 22 so i got a while to work lol

[lovbyts]

thanks for your input! i'm not going near networking or anything for 2 weeks... TAFE break so i'm going to enjoy it. then i'll look into what is suitable for me to have a successful career i'm 22 so i got a while to work lol

Well have fun and good luck.
I remember when I was 22 thinking I had all the time in the world, that was about 6 months ago, now Im almost 47. LOL Yeah time flies.

[t-gunz]

lol nice one...

thanks

[zimmy]

You guys and your degrees :P

Certs and experience will trump it every time

[yannick35]

You guys and your degrees :P

Certs and experience will trump it every time

Thanks Zimmy, i wanted to get some certs but the teacher at school told me that since i got 12 years in the field unless i plan to work where there are cisco routers or be a consultant certs are not needed.

Glad to hear that because after i finish my upgrade i am done with going back to school.

[lovbyts]

Thanks Zimmy, i wanted to get some certs but the teacher at school told me that since i got 12 years in the field unless i plan to work where there are cisco routers or be a consultant certs are not needed.

Glad to hear that because after i finish my upgrade i am done with going back to school.

hahahahahahahahahaha
One thing you will learn in this field you are NEVER done going back to school. That is one reason I HATE it because I wanted to work for a living, not work AND go to school.
That is why I LOVE my current job, it does not require you to continually learn because we are independent from the rest of the IT world BUT as far as 99% of the IT field you had better expect to be constantly learning, going to school and updating your certifications every 2 - 3 years.

I know plenty of people who love to do that, constantly go to school. Me personally I like to walk away from work and forget it, go play and not be bothered.

[yannick35]

hahahahahahahahahaha
One thing you will learn in this field you are NEVER done going back to school. That is one reason I HATE it because I wanted to work for a living, not work AND go to school.
That is why I LOVE my current job, it does not require you to continually learn because we are independent from the rest of the IT world BUT as far as 99% of the IT field you had better expect to be constantly learning, going to school and updating your certifications every 2 - 3 years.

I know plenty of people who love to do that, constantly go to school. Me personally I like to walk away from work and forget it, go play and not be bothered.

Yes but its my first time going back in 12 years, for the rest i can self learn, i have a lab in my house with 5 computers, plus with school i have access to all the msdn library software meaning Windows 2008 server with hyper V and any other so i can virtualize my servers and a lot more.

Going back to school was a choice for me, i could have not gone back and gotten a job has a regular techician on the phone, but i just did not want to.

See it has you will the active directory is there to stay and no matter how many server microsoft can come up with there will be some minimal changes between them, a DNS will always remain a DNS, DHCP the same.

One thing that is different in 2008 is there are 4 active directory and you cannot apply GPO by creating OU anymore you must use the GPMC that is now an MMC snap in not and add on like in server 2003.

[lovbyts]

I understand what you are saying. I did the same thing. I went back to school for all the MSCE A+ and Active directory stuff. I worked in a data center areter a few years where I got to actually play with most of it also with Servers for MS I built and configured.

Life has a way of playing games though and I ened up with routers... lol

[yannick35]

I understand what you are saying. I did the same thing. I went back to school for all the MSCE A+ and Active directory stuff. I worked in a data center areter a few years where I got to actually play with most of it also with Servers for MS I built and configured.

Life has a way of playing games though and I ened up with routers... lol

Theses certifications are freaken hard to get, I mean a lot of it you have no choice of actually been a network admin to pass them, imagine someone who has zero experience and goes to school then gets is certs.

I don't want to spend my life studying, worst working during the day and spending all my night styding to get some MSCA or MSCE.

This is why i have my experience, and that counts for a lot.

[lovbyts]

Theses certifications are freaken hard to get, I mean a lot of it you have no choice of actually been a network admin to pass them, imagine someone who has zero experience and goes to school then gets is certs.

I don't want to spend my life studying, worst working during the day and spending all my night styding to get some MSCA or MSCE.

This is why i have my experience, and that counts for a lot.

I dont have to imagine, I had almost zero experience when I went back to school with computers. I had only recently gotten my first one. The A+ was easy because I'm mechanical and it all make logical sense to me and I had built several by then.
The MCSE part, damn hard and I HATE to read/study. The hands on in class was good and I leaned what I needed than god but it's 99% gone out of my brain now since I have not used it for years. LOL

I even set up an exchange server in 2000 from scratch for a small business and migrated their system from NT to server 2000 for about 20 people. I did it learning as I went. SCARY!!! lol It was for a brokerage frim at that so if I fvcked up. OMG. Luckily I didnt.

[yannick35]

I dont have to imagine, I had almost zero experience when I went back to school with computers. I had only recently gotten my first one. The A+ was easy because I'm mechanical and it all make logical sense to me and I had built several by then.
The MCSE part, damn hard and I HATE to read/study. The hands on in class was good and I leaned what I needed than god but it's 99% gone out of my brain now since I have not used it for years. LOL

I even set up an exchange server in 2000 from scratch for a small business and migrated their system from NT to server 2000 for about 20 people. I did it learning as I went. SCARY!!! lol It was for a brokerage frim at that so if I fvcked up. OMG. Luckily I didnt.

This is where back ups come in handy, i did a contrat this summer pertty much the same has you, they where short on money and had 2 servers, so i build 2 domain controllers for back up failure and replication also put in some RAID 5 with parity. Everything is up and running on Windows 2003 enterprise, one server is for exchange 2003 the other one for terminal server connection.

Exchange is pertty complicated, you need an MX record on the internet for people to be able to send and receive mail from the internet, and there is a lot of stuff to set up before you actually install the exchange server.

Tape back up will never die LOL they are the best. And you are right about forgeting everything after school, i remember the useful stuff like how to calculate IP address, i am learning sub netting right now, but the other stuff that you learn by heart to get the exam is long gone from my memory.

You must never forget the basic, in a recent interview i was ask which port was HTTP: 80 Active Directory: 389 DNS: 53 SSL: 443 and FTP: 21

I was also ask a router operate at which OSI layer, layer 3 and 172.30.68.35 is in which address class, class B.

Theses sort of things you have to remember because most companies now a days will ask theses questions, and most computer technicien must have basic network knowlege. I was listening to the already employed technicien at that place and they where saying that most of them got 5 questions right out of 15, imagine that....

[lovbyts]

It's amazing what you forget though if you dont use it. I use to know all the lay 3 stuff, all the router class and how to convert binary, hex and all that. Now, nothing lol
Im sure with a little study I could again but it would be better if I had to use it, not just know it.
I really HOPE I never need to learn it again though. Im happy where I am although it's not what I had wanted to do but neither of them are my long term goal now.

[BlackSabbath420]

Thats why Im pursing my Masters in IT

[EZ E]

Experience is still number 1 in the IT field (followed by certs) but the field is still maturing. As new people enter the field they will need something (college degree/certs) to help them stand out since they wont have any experience. As college degrees become more the norm it will eventually be a requirement for careers in the field. I am already seeing job posts asking for a BS or "equivalent experience", in ten years you wont see the second part.

In my opinion if you aren't already in the IT field get the degree, it will pay off in the long run.

[yannick35]

It's amazing what you forget though if you dont use it. I use to know all the lay 3 stuff, all the router class and how to convert binary, hex and all that. Now, nothing lol
Im sure with a little study I could again but it would be better if I had to use it, not just know it.
I really HOPE I never need to learn it again though. Im happy where I am although it's not what I had wanted to do but neither of them are my long term goal now.

You cannot remember everything its impossible, i have put several project togheter at my old job, I have worked on Linux servers, install packages, unzip them with gunzip without even doing a course in Linux. Build a ghostserver, create bootable usb keys to connect to it. Its all trial and errors, internet sites and forums and more.

I am waiting for a level 1 server support job right now, and you want to know the worst its the best thing I could find in all the jobs that have been offered to me, I have been offered to be network administrator + work on AS400 and do tech support for a company that is almost an hour drive from my house and all that for 25000$ a year, can you imagine.

Companies are trying to find the complete package and offering the least possible salary, of course blaming the recession on it.

I have been offered to work has a level 2 tech support for a very big company that has around 1000 drug stores in Canada, beleive it or not yet again they where offering 25000$ per year.

Right now the IT Field is a mess, some companies will ask for certs, but right now in Montreal most of them don't, even then I know people who have certs and they never get call for a job because the company know that they must pay bigger salaries to get them.

The job i am looking at right now is level one server support 17.58$/h daytime and night time 19.58$/h, the company is called CGI, the salary raise are often, there is a guy that does this same simple job has been there for 3 years and makes 26$/h, there are also possibility for advancement. Plus you only work 3 times per week 12 hours per shifts and you get 4 days off.

So either you choose the job that doesn't pay well or get the boring job and make money.

Some employers even think that paying someone 13$ an hour is a good salary in IT, but the person that is in accounting can make close to 45000$ a year and thats ok too?

At my old job I was making 35k a year and was running around all day, plus at night we where on the phone support if something happened, yet the people who where buyers for the company where making 50k a year, and most of the time did not do there job properly, I was buying IT supplies, servers and more since the person in charge of buying stuff for IT was incompetent but still made lots more money then me for doing a lot less.

How frustrating is that. To be honest if things don't get better I will change orientation and work into something else. You know at some point and not getting any younger i am tired of dealing with loser clients, that lie all the time, cry babies, who suck up and brown nose bosses to keep there jobs.

At some point a job without stress would be nice with a good salary.

[Panzerfaust]

You guys and your degrees :P

Certs and experience will trump it every time

And all my experience and face to face interview will smoke your certifications all day long son.

[energizer bunny]

At some point a job without stress would be nice with a good salary.[/QUOTE]

thats what most people want mate.........what career do you have in mind?