obama bashing

**Nicotine** · 10-02-2009, 11:42 PM

love him or hate him, seems there's a lot of people who want him to flat out fail.

why?

if he fails, the country fails.

people who you love and care for - lose jobs, their homes, their security.

why would anyone want him to fail? i don't get it. love him or hate him, why not wish the best for your country, rather than see yet another failure?

that would amount to 12yrs of decline for the usa. i can't imagine over a decade of debt, unemployment at it's peak, and people now homeless, would be a reason anyone would want to see him fail.

right now, 1 in 10 people are unemployed in the usa.

why wish that he fails, making the problem worse? seems like the most "patriotic" people, are the most negative and want to see their country take yet another hit.

**MuscleScience** · 10-02-2009, 11:44 PM

Its no different than Bush Bashing.

**Nicotine** · 10-02-2009, 11:46 PM

i agree, same shit.

i just dont see why people cant just fight together as a country to make things better...

or would that be socialism?

is helping others socialism?

**MuscleScience** · 10-02-2009, 11:51 PM

The thing is that each person has a different view of what would be good and right for the country. Its not as simple as republicans vs democrats. People all have the same goal in mind, to make the country better.

**peteroy01** · 10-03-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Nicotine

i agree, same shit.

i just dont see why people cant just fight together as a country to make things better...

or would that be socialism?

is helping others socialism?

voluntarily helping others is kind hearted
being forced to help others is socialism

MOST people that are getting help(people getting checks in the mail) just want free money and not doing anything for it. again, i did not say all but im calling it like i see it(just gotta walk 2 blocks down). and i think thats why most people that dont like Obama, cause people think hes gonna give their hard earned money to somebody that is a leech on society.

**Bull_Nuts** · 10-03-2009, 01:27 AM

You say we are "wanting him to fail" as if there is some hypothetic finish line of not failing...

I want him to succeed...but he is doing everything opposite of that.

Day to day...every choice he is making is bringing us further down...Bush did this too.

And you are absolutely right about "if he fails...the country fails"....How then could you support him knowing the country is falling apart on his watch?

Wishing for him to succeed isnt gonna get the job done and neither is wishing for him to fail...its up to him...He is making bad choices and then lying to himself to justify it...This tells me it is blatant...If he would just do the opposite of what he is currently doing...

How the hell can you libs stand by and agree that tripling or quadrupling the national debt is good for the US? You are just to damn worried about being labeled a racist...which is ABSOLUTELY retarded...Now all of a sudden...if you disagree with the mans policies you are racist...WELL OK...i guess you were being racist disagreeing with Bushes policies....And on top of that...How the hell could you call it being racist if he is just as much white as black...

Am I being racist of 1/2 and 1/2 black/white people? NO NO NO....im being racist of black people...Arn't I? This is a moot point and a card that can no longer be played...

HELL! In my home town...I personally witnessed the 2 mixed white/black guys be cast out of the "black" community...How absurd is that...But the're all of a sudden good enough if they become somone of social stature...That tells me that the only reason everyone hollars RACIST RACIST is because they are the only people that are racist...and they dont have another leg to stand on...

I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING...its hard to wrap your little brains around the fact that the first "black" (if you want to call him that....i guess i could label him as "white" since he is half and half) is completely duffing the presidency!

I GET IT...nobody(especially persons who feel whitey is holding them down) can come to terms and acccept the fact that he is just not cutting the mustard.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE...if the president is going to be black...give me a real black president!!! One that can grab this bull by the horns and get the "g" damn job done!!! Not any 1/2 breed hybrid model that thinks he's so fvcking smooth that he can convince a terrorist (who kills our people because we dont worship his god) or a dicatator (who is hell bent on destruction to all of the west) to peacefully cease and desist.

WHAT KIND OF FVCING $hit is that? OBAMA IS A LYING SNAKE IN THE GRASS AND A GIANT STINKING HERPES RIDDEN PVSSY!!!!

UGH!

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by peteroy01

voluntarily helping others is kind hearted
[B]being forced to help others is socialism[/B]

MOST people that are getting help(people getting checks in the mail) just want free money and not doing anything for it. again, i did not say all but im calling it like i see it(just gotta walk 2 blocks down). and i think thats why most people that dont like Obama, cause people think hes gonna give their hard earned money to somebody that is a leech on society.

BINGO....and that's WRONG......no one has the right to decide what to do with my money but me. I am the ONLY one that can decide that. If i don't want to help people, guess what, THAT'S MY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and forcing us to help the pathetic excuses for humanity that need to die out with every increasing amounts of money will lead to only one thing....resentment, and eventually....WAR.

**TITANIUM** · 10-03-2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Bull_Nuts

You say we are "wanting him to fail" as if there is some hypothetic finish line of not failing...

I want him to succeed...but he is doing everything opposite of that.

Day to day...every choice he is making is bringing us further down...Bush did this too.

And you are absolutely right about "if he fails...the country fails"....How then could you support him knowing the country is falling apart on his watch?

Wishing for him to succeed isnt gonna get the job done and neither is wishing for him to fail...its up to him...He is making bad choices and then lying to himself to justify it...This tells me it is blatant...If he would just do the opposite of what he is currently doing...

How the hell can you libs stand by and agree that tripling or quadrupling the national debt is good for the US? You are just to damn worried about being labeled a racist...which is ABSOLUTELY retarded...Now all of a sudden...if you disagree with the mans policies you are racist...WELL OK...i guess you were being racist disagreeing with Bushes policies....And on top of that...How the hell could you call it being racist if he is just as much white as black...

Am I being racist of 1/2 and 1/2 black/white people? NO NO NO....im being racist of black people...Arn't I? This is a moot point and a card that can no longer be played...

HELL! In my home town...I personally witnessed the 2 mixed white/black guys be cast out of the "black" community...How absurd is that...But the're all of a sudden good enough if they become somone of social stature...That tells me that the only reason everyone hollars RACIST RACIST is because they are the only people that are racist...and they dont have another leg to stand on...

I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING...its hard to wrap your little brains around the fact that the first "black" (if you want to call him that....i guess i could label him as "white" since he is half and half) is completely duffing the presidency!

I GET IT...nobody(especially persons who feel whitey is holding them down) can come to terms and acccept the fact that he is just not cutting the mustard.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE...if the president is going to be black...give me a real black president!!! One that can grab this bull by the horns and get the "g" damn job done!!! Not any 1/2 breed hybrid model that thinks he's so fvcking smooth that he can convince a terrorist (who kills our people because we dont worship his god) or a dicatator (who is hell bent on destruction to all of the west) to peacefully cease and desist.

WHAT KIND OF FVCING $hit is that? OBAMA IS A LYING SNAKE IN THE GRASS AND A GIANT STINKING HERPES RIDDEN PVSSY!!!!

UGH!

You guys no how I personally think about this subject. I am not a racist, but blacks believe that somehow they have been oppressed.

By this , I mean that, I never oppressed a black man in my life. Ever.

I fought side by side with blacks in Desert Storm.

They are an incredibly proficient race, and am proud that they have come as far as they have.

As they should be.

But , those days are behind us now.

The playing field is now leveled, as it should be.

Gays wanted to be allowed in the military, so they were.

Women wanted equal rights, so they could vote, it's a reality for them now.

The people that keep racism alive are playing an old card from the deck.

It's over. Get over it!

Obama sucks because of the decisions he is making.

I do not want him to fail, but he will.

I do not want this country to fail at all, who would?

If it fails, we all go down with the demise of the country.

Busch sucked also, he was a horrible president.

We can find fault with any president that takes office.

Look at our history. It dictates that our presidents have "flaws", so to speak.

I feel that socialism is what Obama is about.

Not what I want for my children to deal with. But it is obviously what the current administration is all about.

And the multi trillion dollar debt that we can never pay off.

I don't care what color Obama is, he sucks.

Plan and simple.

So, can we leave this guys fvcking skin color out of it. The only people that seem to be complaining about it is the blacks themselves.

Is that called reversed racism???

Interesting concept to think about.

I am waiting to see how BgMc replies to this post.

best

T

**TITANIUM** · 10-03-2009, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

BINGO....and that's WRONG......no one has the right to decide what to do with my money but me. I am the ONLY one that can decide that. If i don't want to help people, guess what, THAT'S MY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and forcing us to help the pathetic excuses for humanity that need to die out with every increasing amounts of money will lead to only one thing....resentment, and eventually....WAR.

X2 my friend!

Best

T

**DSM4Life** · 10-03-2009, 10:16 AM

Lets face the truth, most people hate him because he's black.

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 10:17 AM

Everyone wants him to fail because if he pushes is agenda thru then we will all be screwed paying HIGHER taxes, having MORE laws and regulations, Paying for deadbeat welfare people, and illegal imigrants. We don't want to give up our freedoms and or money. If he fails then he won't be able to push his socialism and agenda on us and create problems that we won't be able to reverse. In the midterm elections next year if he is failing the Democrats will be voted out of office and then the republicans will have the house and the senate. Then there will be a balance. Right now these socialists can pass any bill they want without any opposition.

THIS IS WHY WE WANT HIM TO FAIL!!! In the few months that Obama has been in office he's increased the defecit MORE than all the presidents from Washington to Bush COMBINED!!!!!

I think he's already failing. He's a terrible leader and is still campaining. Stop going on talk shows and run the F-ing country.

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

Everyone wants him to fail because if he pushes is agenda thru then we will all be screwed paying HIGHER taxes, having MORE laws and regulations, Paying for deadbeat welfare people, and illegal imigrants. We don't want to give up our freedoms and or money. If he fails then he won't be able to push his socialism and agenda on us and create problems that we won't be able to reverse. In the midterm elections next year if he is failing the Democrats will be voted out of office and then the republicans will have the house and the senate. Then there will be a balance. Right now these socialists can pass any bill they want without any opposition.

THIS IS WHY WE WANT HIM TO FAIL!!! In the few months that Obama has been in office he's increased the defecit MORE than all the presidents from Washington to Bush COMBINED!!!!!

I think he's already failing. He's a terrible leader and is still campaining. Stop going on talk shows and run the F-ing country.

exactly

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 10:25 AM

Some very valid points being made but something I feel is missing is that somehow people think America only started failing when Obama took over and the fact is, the West has been on a decline for some time now.

In his defense, who COULD DO BETTER RIGHT NOW? You think about what America is dealing with: Debt, Economic Crisis, Borrowing and lending, Climate Crisis, Health Care Crisis, the Two Wars. If anyone thinks McCain and that dimwit running mate of his could be doing better then I think you're delusional. Could Ron Paul be doing better? Im not putting the entire blame onto Bush, but he sure left a nice juicey poison pill for the next Administration to inherit..

EDIT: Anyone who voted for Obama based on his colour was an idiot. Likewise, people who voted against him because of his colour were equally an idiot. Im sure there are many people that voted on him because they believed his policies were best for the country, but yeah, we're all humans, we all have equal rights now, unless you're an elitist neocon mother****er, so prehaps we should stop reminding each other what colour he is as seems to happen in every Obama thread, and discuss what COULD BE DONE to make things better.

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 11:08 AM

As far as the economy goes the private sector needs to fix it not the government. As far as the health care crisis??? What the hell are you talking about? We have the best health care in the world.... if the government steps in it will make it WORSE... Yes, some people don't have health care but they still get treated. Why can't we set up payment plans for people that get medical care and can't pay for it? Most of these people have nice cars, TV's, etc. They CAN afford it they just CHOOSE not to have it. In Obamas bill it is in there that it is ILLEGAL if you do not have healthcare and you can face JAIL TIME... Are you F-ing kidding me? Health care is a choice and a benefit not a given right.

What Climate Crisis are you talking about? Show me 1 scientific study that backs this up. Oh, there aren't any??? HMMMMM Sounds like another socialist agenda. They push this climite issue B.S. because it gives them MORE power. They want all cars to get better fuel economy which is going to cost us an extra $1500 per car. Doesn't make sense. If you want better fuel economy then buy a car that gets it. If you want to buy a muscle car that gets 10mpg then that is YOUR choice.

The only reason that people talk bad about Palin is because of the MEDIA... Joe Biden is a complete moron and is such a bad choice for V.P. yet the media bias doesn't show this.

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

As far as the economy goes the private sector needs to fix it not the government. As far as the health care crisis??? What the hell are you talking about? We have the best health care in the world.... if the government steps in it will make it WORSE... Yes, some people don't have health care but they still get treated. Why can't we set up payment plans for people that get medical care and can't pay for it? Most of these people have nice cars, TV's, etc. They CAN afford it they just CHOOSE not to have it. In Obamas bill it is in there that it is ILLEGAL if you do not have healthcare and you can face JAIL TIME... Are you F-ing kidding me? Health care is a choice and a benefit not a given right.

What Climate Crisis are you talking about? Show me 1 scientific study that backs this up. Oh, there aren't any??? HMMMMM Sounds like another socialist agenda. They push this climite issue B.S. because it gives them MORE power. They want all cars to get better fuel economy which is going to cost us an extra $1500 per car. Doesn't make sense. If you want better fuel economy then buy a car that gets it. If you want to buy a muscle car that gets 10mpg then that is YOUR choice.

The only reason that people talk bad about Palin is because of the MEDIA... Joe Biden is a complete moron and is such a bad choice for V.P. yet the media bias doesn't show this.

Believe what you want, but the Government takes a HUGE INTEREST in anything you do and has done for a long time now. You could argue that it was the Private Sector that caused the economic crisis in the first place, the fact the Government is trying to rectify the problem could almost be seen as good. Im not saying it is, im for smaller government involvement but recklessness that caused the economic crisis CANNOT be allowed to occur again.
As for Healthcare, I don't know what to say about that. Im from the UK, we have universal healthcare here and it's never been a problem. You can still get private healthcare as well. The fact is some people in America are for it, just because you aren't doesn't mean you're right.
And im not going to elaborate too much on Climate. The planet IS getting hotter, that's mostly due to a natural cycle then Carbon Emissions, and im more concerned on how we are going to tackly the consequences of climate change. It's all bullshit you say? How come China, the biggest polluter, pledged to cut emissions at Copenhagen last month? Oh I guess everyone is wrong and America is right huh? Im sorry, we have just one planet, we cant afford to run the risk of seeing "what might happen".

Maybe Joe Biden is a moron, but the Dems were clever enough to keep him out the spotlight. There was nothing but scandal and idiocy surrounding Palin. The Media dictates a huge amount of how things are run, if the Republicans were dumb enough to unleash her to the Media then too bad for them.

A bit quiet on the two wars, or prehaps you think the US and the UK should be there as well?

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 11:58 AM

The U.S. has the highest cancer survival rate in the entire world... We have the best doctors, technology etc. Why do we have this? Because these experts PROFIT from their hard work. Now, when the government takes out the ability for these people to make a lot of money, they won't go into the profession. Not only will dr. be told how much they can charge but will pay more in taxes as well. This will KILL the medical industry here. Plus, if you go ahead and add 40 million new members to the system without increasing doctors etc. then everything will be rationed. You say it's bad because I don't want it yet only 40% of Americans want this terrible system. The government screws everything up. Look at the Post Office, RMV, Social Security etc etc.

As for Global warming China is going to change anything. They own manufacturing in the world right now and aren't going to jeopardise that. Their labor is cheap and their regulations are cheap so their cost to produce is LOW. They will not comply with the world polutions. The U.S. can't be the only country trying to save the world. The U.S. sells Hummer to China because of the low emissions yet the Chinese will be driving these vehicles so how does this help.

As far as Palin and Biden goes, the media is the one with the bias and they were so threatened by Palin that the crucified her. Now Obama wants to back out of Iraq and Iran which will make us weak to the rest of the world.

You don't even live in the U.S. so looking in from the outside you can say all that you want because it won't impact you. However, I love my country and although it is not perfect it is more productive than any socialist country out there. The reason is there is personal growth when we create something which is what made this country so great. If I put my hard work in I can make a living for myself and provide my family with a ton of luxuries.

In socialist countries I can be a bum and still have everything that a hard work has. I live for myself and my family not for people that choose not to work.

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

The U.S. has the highest cancer survival rate in the entire world... We have the best doctors, technology etc. Why do we have this? Because these experts PROFIT from their hard work. Now, when the government takes out the ability for these people to make a lot of money, they won't go into the profession. Not only will dr. be told how much they can charge but will pay more in taxes as well. This will KILL the medical industry here. Plus, if you go ahead and add 40 million new members to the system without increasing doctors etc. then everything will be rationed. You say it's bad because I don't want it yet only 40% of Americans want this terrible system. The government screws everything up. Look at the Post Office, RMV, Social Security etc etc.

As for Global warming China is going to change anything. They own manufacturing in the world right now and aren't going to jeopardise that. Their labor is cheap and their regulations are cheap so their cost to produce is LOW. They will not comply with the world polutions. The U.S. can't be the only country trying to save the world. The U.S. sells Hummer to China because of the low emissions yet the Chinese will be driving these vehicles so how does this help.

As far as Palin and Biden goes, the media is the one with the bias and they were so threatened by Palin that the crucified her. Now Obama wants to back out of Iraq and Iran which will make us weak to the rest of the world.

You don't even live in the U.S. so looking in from the outside you can say all that you want because it won't impact you. However, I love my country and although it is not perfect it is more productive than any socialist country out there. The reason is there is personal growth when we create something which is what made this country so great. If I put my hard work in I can make a living for myself and provide my family with a ton of luxuries.

In socialist countries I can be a bum and still have everything that a hard work has. I live for myself and my family not for people that choose not to work.

Actually the reason is because of how much money the government invests, you know that big bad "socialistic entity" you think is trying to toy with Healthcare. The US invests about 14% of gdp into the health system with Canada having the second highest survival rate. And im not telling you or trying to impose on you what I think is best for your country.

And what do you mean China wont adhere to anything? They ratified their targets at Coppenhagen last month. And just what is America saving the world from? Im sick of hearing how the US and the UK is saving the world from something. Both countries do what they want if they think there's a quick buck or agenda to be made out of it.

It seems to me, that right now, China is in all the right places at all the right times.

This has got way off topic though. The point is, I do agree with Nicotine that wanting Obama to fail is wanting your country to fail. People want Brown to fail here, I don't. I want the economy fixed, I want unemployment fixed, people are dellusional if they think Cameron is going to be the next saviour like Obama, yet if Cameron gets in, which is very likely, i wont want him to fail. Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan now would be very, very bad even though we had no business being there in the first place. And going near Iran shouldn't even be considered, but im sure something will happen involving Israel and Iran, and Iran will either be vapourised or occupied.

Yeah lets save the world by taking it over.

**BgMc31** · 10-03-2009, 02:04 PM

I'm kinda burned out on these threads. I'm also riding high on the fact that my favorite strongman, Zydrunas Savickas, just won the 2009 World's Strongest Man contest. He has vindicated all us jacked fatties!!! LOL!!!

With that said, T, your post is wrong in the "the playing field is level". If you look at the statistics, blacks still make less than white for similar and experience. Gays are allowed in the military but aren't allowed to be gay as long as they're in the military. And women do have equal rights but again make less then men for same work with same experience.

DSM was right, and I will continue to say this. Most don't like this man because he's black. And spare me this 1/2 white, 1/2 black shit. Let's face it, we all identify the man as being black. Hell I'm biracial and I've never been called white. Why because I DON'T look white. Of course very few people would admit they don't like the man because of his race. Being a racist isn't cool anymore. So racist will think of anything to villify this man. Now don't confuse what I'm saying. I'm not saying all whites who oppose Obama are racist. What I am saying is much of the opposition towards the man is race based.

Many people are saying things about the man that simply aren't true. In another thread Bull Nuts claims the man to be a coward and questions his patriotism ("who's side is he on"). Other's have accused him of being a socialist. And other's have said he's a failure. Let's examine each one of these...Coward? The fact that he is a black man who ran (and won) for the presidency proves he's no coward. Any man who would represents a country where many he represents hate him simply because he's black, speaks volume for his courage. I'm wondering how many death threats he's had from Iran, China, North Korea, or Russia as compared to white "Americans". Who's said is he on? HHHMMMM, the man has compaigned to bring the Olympics here, he's working on health care for all Americans, he's increased education budgets for American cities. He's a great American and a Patriot. Socialist? C'mon, since when is a public 'option', socialism? Oh yeah, I forgot, a public option is just a step towards an eventual government takeover of health care, right? Please!!! Did you all know that in the 50's Ronald Reagan made records that said the same thing about Medicaid/Medicare. Hmmmm seems to me nearly 70yrs later, we are no where closer to socialism as we were then.

Someone posted on the other Obama bashing thread, some very poignant points. The man has only been in office for 7 mos. No president has turned an entire country around in less than a year. Obama isn't responsible for this economic mess. Conservatives shouldn't be mad at Obama for this bail out culture. The first TARP program was implemented on Sept 18 of last year, under Bush. Obama didn't start the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. He wasn't responsible for the current economic crisis but has been tasked to overturn it.

The Republican stalwart has always been Ronald Reagan, he took over during a tough economic times and was elected with high marks. His popularity dipped to below 45% during his first year. But has become a hero to the Republican party. Hmmmm, kinda interesting to me.

I really didn't expect to write this much, but this stuff kinda boils my blood. I feel the need to defend Obama because the hate and vitriol against this man has some deep underlying issues. If John Edwards would have been elected president, would there be opposition? Of course, but the hate rhetoric wouldn't be there. The fact remains, the man's race is an issue. I think many white people want him to fail to prove that a black man can't lead effectively. Bull Nuts said he want a "real black man, not a half breed hybrid...". Well I take offense to that statement because because I'm biracial, that mean's I'm not a "real" black man? C'mon. And it's continued comments like this that enrage me and this types of conversations wouldn't even be said if the man wasn't black.

So for f*cks sake, if you have beef with Obama because he's black...say it, don't make other shit up that isn't true!!! This man has been handed the biggest shitstorm in history. Give him a little bit of time before you cast him as the anti-christ and the sign of the apocalypse...

I'm out...PEACE!!!!

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31;48***86

With that said, T, your post is wrong in the "the playing field is level". If you look at the statistics, blacks still make less than white for similar and experience. Gays are allowed in the military but aren't allowed to be gay as long as they're in the military. And women do have equal rights but again make less then men for same work with same experience.

you know why that is? Because the average black person has a HUGE chip on his shoulder still about the whole, slavery racism thing, and as such, will not work as hard because of some ****ed up mentality on the subject.....not true of all of course, but VERY VERY true of others.

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

you know why that is? Because the average black person has a HUGE chip on his shoulder still about the whole, slavery racism thing, and as such, will not work as hard because of some ****ed up mentality on the subject.....not true of all of course, but VERY VERY true of others.

Bit of a generalisation there Rhul. That'd be like me saying the average white person in Louisiana or Texas is nothing more than a shitkicker or sisterfvcking cannibal. Im sure there are black people who feel like the world owes them something for events that happened when they weren't even born, but you can't say that the average black person feels that way. And even if that were the case, is that a good enough reason to underpay a black person? We should be about reaching across the racial devide, side by side on the ****ing piano if you know what I mean.

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 02:37 PM

BgMc31- you are 100% wrong in saying people don't like Obama because he is black.

Do you know who voted him in? Yes, the WHITE MALE... If white people were racist he would have had a 0% chance of being elected. So what you are saying is total crap.

As for Obama not being a socialist. How can you honestly say that? He wants to OVER TAX the upper middle class to pay for programs for the poor? Are you kidding me he isn't a socialist? That's what socialism is all about my friend.

We are right you are wrong that is the end of the story.... HAHA

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 02:41 PM

As for the comments about black people not making as much money etc.... Are you serious??? A black person is currently holding the MOST POWERFUL POSTION IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!!

So, if he can do it then any black person can make as much or easily more than a white person. If the black person has more talent, skills, etc he will make more. It's that simple...

Racism will always be there no matter what but in the professional world it's really not an obstacle any more. White males currently have a lot less opportunities now with all the programs such as Affirmative Action etc.

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 02:43 PM

One last comment...

All these liberals that cry that we don't like Obama because he is black and we are racist. That is their only opt out because they know that it's not true but they know it will make a lot of Conservatives defensive and they think it give them the upper hand.

It just shows their immaturity and their proxy argument to get out of a REAL discussion.

**BgMc31** · 10-03-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

you know why that is? Because the average black person has a HUGE chip on his shoulder still about the whole, slavery racism thing, and as such, will not work as hard because of some ****ed up mentality on the subject.....not true of all of course, but VERY VERY true of others.

You have yet to make any rational or educated comment on any of these race related threads. You're post is not only off based but ridiculous.

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

BgMc31- you are 100% wrong in saying people don't like Obama because he is black.

Do you know who voted him in? Yes, the WHITE MALE... If white people were racist he would have had a 0% chance of being elected. So what you are saying is total crap.

As for Obama not being a socialist. How can you honestly say that? He wants to OVER TAX the upper middle class to pay for programs for the poor? Are you kidding me he isn't a socialist? That's what socialism is all about my friend.

We are right you are wrong that is the end of the story.... HAHA

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

One last comment...

All these liberals that cry that we don't like Obama because he is black and we are racist. That is their only opt out because they know that it's not true but they know it will make a lot of Conservatives defensive and they think it give them the upper hand.

It just shows their immaturity and their proxy argument to get out of a REAL discussion.

Pistol, I guess you didn't read the bold part of my initial post, did you? so I will say it again...I'm not saying that all white people who oppose Obama are racist. I suggest you go back and read before saying I don't know what I'm talking about!!!

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Bit of a generalisation there Rhul. That'd be like me saying the average white person in Louisiana or Texas is nothing more than a shitkicker or sisterfvcking cannibal. Im sure there are black people who feel like the world owes them something for events that happened when they weren't even born, but you can't say that the average black person feels that way. And even if that were the case, is that a good enough reason to underpay a black person? We should be about reaching across the racial devide, side by side on the ****ing piano if you know what I mean.

yes it is because they're less productive

**MuscleScience** · 10-03-2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31;48***86

I'm kinda burned out on these threads. I'm also riding high on the fact that my favorite strongman, Zydrunas Savickas, just won the 2009 World's Strongest Man contest. He has vindicated all us jacked fatties!!! LOL!!!

With that said, T, your post is wrong in the "the playing field is level". If you look at the statistics, blacks still make less than white for similar and experience. Gays are allowed in the military but aren't allowed to be gay as long as they're in the military. And women do have equal rights but again make less then men for same work with same experience.

DSM was right, and I will continue to say this. Most don't like this man because he's black. And spare me this 1/2 white, 1/2 black shit. Let's face it, we all identify the man as being black. Hell I'm biracial and I've never been called white. Why because I DON'T look white. Of course very few people would admit they don't like the man because of his race. Being a racist isn't cool anymore. So racist will think of anything to villify this man. Now don't confuse what I'm saying. I'm not saying all whites who oppose Obama are racist. What I am saying is much of the opposition towards the man is race based.

Many people are saying things about the man that simply aren't true. In another thread Bull Nuts claims the man to be a coward and questions his patriotism ("who's side is he on"). Other's have accused him of being a socialist. And other's have said he's a failure. Let's examine each one of these...Coward? The fact that he is a black man who ran (and won) for the presidency proves he's no coward. Any man who would represents a country where many he represents hate him simply because he's black, speaks volume for his courage. I'm wondering how many death threats he's had from Iran, China, North Korea, or Russia as compared to white "Americans". Who's said is he on? HHHMMMM, the man has compaigned to bring the Olympics here, he's working on health care for all Americans, he's increased education budgets for American cities. He's a great American and a Patriot. Socialist? C'mon, since when is a public 'option', socialism? Oh yeah, I forgot, a public option is just a step towards an eventual government takeover of health care, right? Please!!! Did you all know that in the 50's Ronald Reagan made records that said the same thing about Medicaid/Medicare. Hmmmm seems to me nearly 70yrs later, we are no where closer to socialism as we were then.

Someone posted on the other Obama bashing thread, some very poignant points. The man has only been in office for 7 mos. No president has turned an entire country around in less than a year. Obama isn't responsible for this economic mess. Conservatives shouldn't be mad at Obama for this bail out culture. The first TARP program was implemented on Sept 18 of last year, under Bush. Obama didn't start the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. He wasn't responsible for the current economic crisis but has been tasked to overturn it.

The Republican stalwart has always been Ronald Reagan, he took over during a tough economic times and was elected with high marks. His popularity dipped to below 45% during his first year. But has become a hero to the Republican party. Hmmmm, kinda interesting to me.

I really didn't expect to write this much, but this stuff kinda boils my blood. I feel the need to defend Obama because the hate and vitriol against this man has some deep underlying issues. If John Edwards would have been elected president, would there be opposition? Of course, but the hate rhetoric wouldn't be there. The fact remains, the man's race is an issue. I think many white people want him to fail to prove that a black man can't lead effectively. Bull Nuts said he want a "real black man, not a half breed hybrid...". Well I take offense to that statement because because I'm biracial, that mean's I'm not a "real" black man? C'mon. And it's continued comments like this that enrage me and this types of conversations wouldn't even be said if the man wasn't black.

So for f*cks sake, if you have beef with Obama because he's black...say it, don't make other shit up that isn't true!!! This man has been handed the biggest shitstorm in history. Give him a little bit of time before you cast him as the anti-christ and the sign of the apocalypse...

I'm out...PEACE!!!!

When you say much do you mean most of or simply one smaller portion of his overall opposition?

I honestly dont see it as that big a deal. Republicans are going to hate him regardless of what race he is, based on the fact that he is a Democrat. Just as if he was Republican all Democrats would hate him. I shouldnt say all but you get my point. I think the race argument is a bit of a cop-out. I think it helps the Supporters of Obama when they get corned or flustered in an argument. Thats just my take anyway.

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55

yes it is because they're less productive

So do you believe most white people that live in the Bayou, eat people?

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 03:15 PM

People wanted Obama and they didn't even know what he stood for. Now that he is in office people are seeing where he stands are they are getting very nervous. He cares more about HIS agenda than what the country truly wants or needs. One of the worst presidents we've ever had was Carter and Obama is way more radical than Carter was.

I'm sure Obama would be a great guy to sit and have a few beers with and he's def. highly intelligent but he has NEVER held a private sector job and has NEVER been a leader or a manager and it is now showing.

Most Americans are center right even if they claim they are democrats. If you took all the issues and asked people what they thought on them and then chose the party they are closer to most would be in the Republican Party.

The Republican party needs to make a TON of changes and do a better job getting their message accross. That has been their biggest problem. Obama ran a fantastic campaign and I credit him for that. however, he's still out campaining and it's time to run the country.

In a discussion regarding Obama is a good or bad president the topic of race should never be discussed.

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

So do you believe most white people that live in the Bayou, eat people?

no, but that would be ****in sweet i can't lie

**peteroy01** · 10-03-2009, 03:19 PM

come on, they eat gaters and mud bugs! damn everybody knows that

**RuhlFreak55** · 10-03-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by peteroy01

come on, they eat gaters and mud bugs! damn everybody knows that

i could never kill a gator....so majestic.....unless it was trying to kill me i guess

**Flagg** · 10-03-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

People wanted Obama and they didn't even know what he stood for. Now that he is in office people are seeing where he stands are they are getting very nervous. He cares more about HIS agenda than what the country truly wants or needs. One of the worst presidents we've ever had was Carter and Obama is way more radical than Carter was.

I'm sure Obama would be a great guy to sit and have a few beers with and he's def. highly intelligent but he has NEVER held a private sector job and has NEVER been a leader or a manager and it is now showing.

Most Americans are center right even if they claim they are democrats. If you took all the issues and asked people what they thought on them and then chose the party they are closer to most would be in the Republican Party.

The Republican party needs to make a TON of changes and do a better job getting their message accross. That has been their biggest problem. Obama ran a fantastic campaign and I credit him for that. however, he's still out campaining and it's time to run the country.

In a discussion regarding Obama is a good or bad president the topic of race should never be discussed.

I think your average voter doesn't have a clue about most the candidates they vote for other than "he's not a republican/democrat". I seriously don't think it matters that Obama is black, Reps would probably rip into him regardless and it just gives the racist crowd something extra to crow about. I think it's brilliant for politics and tolerance that he did get into power and im hoping the next step is getting someone into power that doesn't believe in God or thinks they have to, to appeal to the stupid masses! But thats a whole different kettle of fish.

But again, its easy for people to point out whats wrong, what they think he's doing wrong, etcetera, but no one seems to be talking about what he could be doing better. And you have to remember exactly what he's inherited. Again I ask, WHO COULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB under the same circumstances?

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 03:37 PM

As far as the economy goes Mitt Romney would have been a MUCH better choice. If the economy started colapsing sooner he would have prob. been the candidate. McCain isn't a true conservative but is a GREAT PATRIOT. His service to this country is second to none. However, because of his age and physical handicaps (because of serving his country) he didn't appeal to a lot of voters. Most voters vote on candidates based on how they are at public speaking and pay NO attention to the issues. People saw Obama say Hope and Change and they all jumped on the bandwagon wanted Hope and Change. Instead they got the same old thing but worse.

Would you rather have lower taxes?

Less government involvement?

The ability to make your own decisions?

A choice as to what school to send your children to?

The right to keep and bear arms?

the ability to CHOOSE your own doctor?

Chances are you are more conservative than liberal.

**TITANIUM** · 10-03-2009, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31;48***86

I'm kinda burned out on these threads. I'm also riding high on the fact that my favorite strongman, Zydrunas Savickas, just won the 2009 World's Strongest Man contest. He has vindicated all us jacked fatties!!! LOL!!!

With that said, T, your post is wrong in the "the playing field is level". If you look at the statistics, blacks still make less than white for similar and experience. Gays are allowed in the military but aren't allowed to be gay as long as they're in the military. And women do have equal rights but again make less then men for same work with same experience.
DSM was right, and I will continue to say this. Most don't like this man because he's black. And spare me this 1/2 white, 1/2 black shit. Let's face it, we all identify the man as being black. Hell I'm biracial and I've never been called white. Why because I DON'T look white. Of course very few people would admit they don't like the man because of his race. Being a racist isn't cool anymore. So racist will think of anything to villify this man. Now don't confuse what I'm saying. I'm not saying all whites who oppose Obama are racist. What I am saying is much of the opposition towards the man is race based.

Many people are saying things about the man that simply aren't true. In another thread Bull Nuts claims the man to be a coward and questions his patriotism ("who's side is he on"). Other's have accused him of being a socialist. And other's have said he's a failure. Let's examine each one of these...Coward? The fact that he is a black man who ran (and won) for the presidency proves he's no coward. Any man who would represents a country where many he represents hate him simply because he's black, speaks volume for his courage. I'm wondering how many death threats he's had from Iran, China, North Korea, or Russia as compared to white "Americans". Who's said is he on? HHHMMMM, the man has compaigned to bring the Olympics here, he's working on health care for all Americans, he's increased education budgets for American cities. He's a great American and a Patriot. Socialist? C'mon, since when is a public 'option', socialism? Oh yeah, I forgot, a public option is just a step towards an eventual government takeover of health care, right? Please!!! Did you all know that in the 50's Ronald Reagan made records that said the same thing about Medicaid/Medicare. Hmmmm seems to me nearly 70yrs later, we are no where closer to socialism as we were then.

Someone posted on the other Obama bashing thread, some very poignant points. The man has only been in office for 7 mos. No president has turned an entire country around in less than a year. Obama isn't responsible for this economic mess. Conservatives shouldn't be mad at Obama for this bail out culture. The first TARP program was implemented on Sept 18 of last year, under Bush. Obama didn't start the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. He wasn't responsible for the current economic crisis but has been tasked to overturn it.

The Republican stalwart has always been Ronald Reagan, he took over during a tough economic times and was elected with high marks. His popularity dipped to below 45% during his first year. But has become a hero to the Republican party. Hmmmm, kinda interesting to me.

I really didn't expect to write this much, but this stuff kinda boils my blood. I feel the need to defend Obama because the hate and vitriol against this man has some deep underlying issues. If John Edwards would have been elected president, would there be opposition? Of course, but the hate rhetoric wouldn't be there. The fact remains, the man's race is an issue. I think many white people want him to fail to prove that a black man can't lead effectively. Bull Nuts said he want a "real black man, not a half breed hybrid...". Well I take offense to that statement because because I'm biracial, that mean's I'm not a "real" black man? C'mon. And it's continued comments like this that enrage me and this types of conversations wouldn't even be said if the man wasn't black.

So for f*cks sake, if you have beef with Obama because he's black...say it, don't make other shit up that isn't true!!! This man has been handed the biggest shitstorm in history. Give him a little bit of time before you cast him as the anti-christ and the sign of the apocalypse...

I'm out...PEACE!!!!

BgMc, blacks are at an advantage right now, and you know that. It's the whites that have more trouble with coping with access to programs that they paid into with there taxes.Where as, blacks get more or less a free pass.

And gays are not allowed to act gay? For Christ sakes man!!! You are not allowed to have personal relationships while you are enlisted. This pertains to the time you are ON BASE! And it includes every body.Gay or straight. It can't be allowed, due to the conflict of interest it may have on your performance and mind set.

And women don't make as much as men? Bro, WTF are you talking about? That is ridiculous in itself. I know alot of wives and or friends that make MORE than there male counterpart.

Like I said, I was waiting to see your reaction to this post.
I knew it would get into the Black Man BS.

Let's see where you stand in say, a year from now, when you can't defend him anymore.

When things are so fvcked up, due to bad decision making on Obama's part.

Then it will be like,"we'll he's has no experience, that's what the problem was the first place".

Or,"well, he did the best job he could do because the Republicans screwed this up so bad, he couldn't fix it anyways".

Bro, I know he's your boy. I get it. But, you have to admit, that people on this forum do not like him. And it is not due to his skin color.

As a matter of fact, you are the one that always makes these posts turn into a racist event.

It's like the Confederate Flag thread that you turned into a black racist incident.

Prone and T-MOS railed on you about the true meaning of the flag.

I think country boy had it as his avy, and you complained to ADMIN about it.

If I was black, I would not have given a shit about it.

You turned it into a racist thing, not anyone else.

OK, you are obviously more educated then myself.I can tell by the way you write, and construct your debates.

Your black, and I am white. Do you think I care that you can write and be more articulate than me?

No, I respect it and am impressed by it.

Alot of people here debate and post threads that are unbelievably intricate in what they are explaining.

But, in the end of it all, the facts still remain.

You feel like you need to defend Obama, due to the fact that he is black.

Advice, get over the black chip that you have on your shoulder. But will not openly admit.

Like I said, it's an old card out of the deck.

Peace

T

PS-Bro, I like you. So don't think that I don't. I try to get along and help the best I can on this forum.

**gixxerboy1** · 10-03-2009, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

As far as the economy goes the private sector needs to fix it not the government. As far as the health care crisis??? What the hell are you talking about? We have the best health care in the world.... if the government steps in it will make it WORSE... Yes, some people don't have health care but they still get treated. Why can't we set up payment plans for people that get medical care and can't pay for it? Most of these people have nice cars, TV's, etc. They CAN afford it they just CHOOSE not to have it. In Obamas bill it is in there that it is ILLEGAL if you do not have healthcare and you can face JAIL TIME... Are you F-ing kidding me? Health care is a choice and a benefit not a given right.What Climate Crisis are you talking about? Show me 1 scientific study that backs this up. Oh, there aren't any??? HMMMMM Sounds like another socialist agenda. They push this climite issue B.S. because it gives them MORE power. They want all cars to get better fuel economy which is going to cost us an extra $1500 per car. Doesn't make sense. If you want better fuel economy then buy a car that gets it. If you want to buy a muscle car that gets 10mpg then that is YOUR choice.

The only reason that people talk bad about Palin is because of the MEDIA... Joe Biden is a complete moron and is such a bad choice for V.P. yet the media bias doesn't show this.

Seriously what are you talking about. Illegals get treatment now. and Obama's public plan doesnt cover illegals.

also do you realise how many people want insurance can afford it but cant get it. I have diabetes, which alot of people do. Not 1 insurance company will let me purchase a health insurance policy at ANY cost. That isn't bullshit? Yes we may have the best healthcare in the world. But it is also the most expensive and most screwed up. Insurance companies run it now not Dr's

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Seriously wha tare you talking about. Illegals get treatment now. and Obama's public plan doesnt cover illegals.

also do you realise how many people want insurance can afford it but cant get it. I have diabetes, which alot of people do. Not 1 insurance company will let me purchase a health insurance policy at ANY cost. That isn't bullshit? Yes we may have the best healthcare in the world. But it is also the most expensive and most screwed up. Insurance companies run it now not Dr's

I understand your point but you also can't buy a new car and then get into an accident and then decide to get insurance and have them fix the problem. Why didn't you have a policy before? I'm not saying the insurance companies are great because they are def. flawed but what has the government done that is effecient? I pay for my health care and can choose my doctor etc.

Under Obamas plan Illegals ARE covered. In the bill it clearly states that illegals DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW ID. So this is their loophole. It's total B.S. Illegals should NOT be covered in this country. I don't think they should be sent off to die but they should be fined and/or imprisoned for breaking our laws. Why should my taxes go to pay for people breaking our laws and that have NO right being here?

**gixxerboy1** · 10-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by PistolPete33

I understand your point but you also can't buy a new car and then get into an accident and then decide to get insurance and have them fix the problem. Why didn't you have a policy before? I'm not saying the insurance companies are great because they are def. flawed but what has the government done that is effecient? I pay for my health care and can choose my doctor etc.

Under Obamas plan Illegals ARE covered. In the bill it clearly states that illegals DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW ID. So this is their loophole. It's total B.S. Illegals should NOT be covered in this country. I don't think they should be sent off to die but they should be fined and/or imprisoned for breaking our laws. Why should my taxes go to pay for people breaking our laws and that have NO right being here?

the illegal part i believe is they receive emergency care. Which is it the same as it is now. They cant turn a life threatening condition away. They will not have insurance though.

I understand your analogy about the car. But feel there is a difference. If i broke my leg and wanted to get insurance after then have it fixed they your analogy makes sense. My diabetes is under control. I see a dr every 9 months for a check up that's it. Hell if i had a dwi i could get car insurance. I can understand me having to pay some kind of premium but to be denied by EVERY company is BS. Yes i had it before. They have to take you if it is through an employer they don't have to if you are purchasing it on your own

**PistolPete33** · 10-03-2009, 05:05 PM

Like I said I believe the health insurance industry can be much better. However, the government isn't the answer. Look at what they run now and it's all corrupt and/or bankrupt.

Social Security
RMV
Post Office

What government agency have you dealt with that has been a good experience? I honestly can't think of any. Obama compared the Govenment plan to UPS and the US Post Office joking that the post office is almost bankrupt and not run properly. Do you really want someone in the government making a medical decision for you? I know that I don't.

Things need to change with the health insurance industry but the government option isn't the solution. What will happen when the government takes over is if their plan isn't working they won't just let it die. They will keep pumping money into it and over regulating the private sector forcing the competition out. Is this best for us? NOPE...

In the health care plan there was a section discussing End Of Life Care in which they said more or less "you're cheaper when dead". I don't know about you but I want to live as long as possible without exception I don't want some burocrat deciding if I live or die.