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    Most economists say recession is over

    NEW YORK – More than 80 percent of economists believe the recession is over and an expansion has begun, but they expect the recovery will be slow as worries over unemployment and high federal debt persist.

    That consensus comes from leading forecasters in a survey by the National Association for Business Economics released Monday.

    "The survey found that the vast majority of business economists believe that the recession has ended but that the economic recovery is likely to be more moderate than those typically experienced following steep declines," said NABE President-elect Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Point Loma Nazarene University.

    The forecasters upgraded the economic outlook for the next several quarters, but cautioned that unemployment rates and the federal deficit are expected to remain high through the next year. Forecasters now expect the economy, as measured by gross domestic product, to advance at a 2.9 percent pace in the second half of the year, after falling for four straight quarters for the first time on records dating to 1947. They expect a 3 percent gain in 2010.

    Still, the federal deficit has ballooned and the jobless rate is expected to lag behind, as employers remain cautious.

    The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent in September from 9.7 percent, the Labor Department said earlier this month, the highest point in 26 years.

    Forecasters expect the unemployment rate to continue to rise, to 10 percent in the first quarter of next year, before edging down to 9.5 percent by the end of 2010.

    The recession, the worst since the 1930s, has eliminated a net total of 7.2 million jobs. More job cuts were announced last week. Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc., which makes industrial and scientific equipment, said it will close a plant in Dubuque, Iowa, next year, costing 350 jobs.

    Worries about unemployment are likely to continue to constrain household spending. Personal consumption spending likely began rising in the second half of this year, but is expected to remain low in 2010. Still, Americans aren't expected to save as much as they have in past decades. The savings rate is expected to be above the 2 percent average of the past four years, but below the 9 percent average in the 1970s and 1980s.

    The housing recovery is one bright spot. Forecasters expect 2010 to be the first year since 2005 that the housing sector will contribute to overall growth. Home prices are expected to rise 2 percent in 2010, but panelists do not believe that will stifle the housing recovery.

    Inflation is expected to remain low due to the weak labor market and other factors. Thus, the NABE panel — which consists of 44 economists surveyed Sept. 2 through Sept. 24 — expects the federal funds rate to remain at its current record low near zero until late next spring, before a gradual rise begins.

    "The good news is that this deep and long recession appears to be over, and with improving credit markets, the U.S. economy can return to solid growth next year without worry about rising inflation," said Reaser.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091012/...nomic_recovery

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    I call bullshit. Am a plumbing contractor and things have not picked up at all. Will be the worst year since company was started in 1959. People still aren't spending money and its been hell trying to collect from those we do work for. I don't see things turning around for at least another year

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    Right, with my 740 credit score I can't get a $1,000 loan or even open up a credit card. Oh ya it's over alright......

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    i dont think it will ever recover. Why would it? Population keeps growing. People are coming up with ways to do jobs more efficient which means less work. More people are going to college to get a degree that doesn't do shit anymore. Then they have more debt that will never get paid off. No where to build houses anymore so why would people keep building houses and no one to lend them money because now their credit is destroyed and cant find a job for the life of them. Then there is people who are willing to work for pennies on the dollars now just to work to buy food. Then what happens if there is any kinda shortage of food? Those prices will go up. People will starve. Its only gonna get worse. Anyone that believes different needs to wake up. Well thats how i feel. FOCK its even getting hard to join the military now!!! Because that Market is flooded too!

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    It takes times guys, people are not going to throw money around right away.

    I feel it's over though. I started my business the year before this "recession" started, so I don't know what it's like to have it good.

    But I'm doing fine with it, you just have to control cost, and maybe I am at an advantage of not knowing what it's like to have it good.

    I'm having no problems borrowing money, or finding a way for customers to get financed, people are lending, and lending with lower credit score clients, you are going to pay more fee's, but the money is still available.

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    well i know there sure as hell isn't any more fukking tile jobs...

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    It is over....but the recover will be a long one

    and personally our business has not seen a pickup yet.....but the people we subcontract to apparently have over 80 jobs (families to move) on the books awaiting word....which is a SHITLOAD.....we're just still waiting.......

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    I hope not, there are things I still want to invest in but the timing sucks for me. Another year and it will be all good. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts;4***167
    I hope not, there are things I still want to invest in but the timing sucks for me. Another year and it will be all good. lol
    I'm kind of with you on that one bro.

    I honestly don't think I'll ever hurt for money, or hurt for work. I'm too determined, I'll never sit at home and bitch about not having a job, not being able to find work.

    I've never asked for anything, I've done everything on my own, I've made my own way. I'll never ask for a hand out and you'll never see me file for unemployment, food stamps or seek any subsidized housing.

    For the amount of relationships and problems I've gone through with them, I'm thankful that I've got the mind set I do.

    I've always remained optimistic with work, working for someone else, or for myself. If things don't go as planed, and they almost never do, you deal with it, and do the best you can to get it on track.

    I think just caring a optimistic aptitude is HUGE, employers instantly pick up on that in interviews. And if you have ever had any sales training....what do they do? they try to get you to mimic the traits of someone who loves what they do, feels good about what they do, is confident in what they do and is optimistic about what they do. I've never had a hard time landing customers for this reason, they can sense I care, they can sense I will take care of them, and they sense my dedication, I don't even have to act.

    I'm not the smartest guy in the world, I'll guarantee that. I rape the shit out of spell check, I dropped out of college and I'm fairly good at math, at best. But in this recession, I've went from a 2 bedroom apartment to buying a house for myself, and 4 other houses (10 apartments in them all) and am about to close on another.

    My biggest problem? Finding reliable, honest and hard workers.

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    Some of the comments here remind of when people were speculating whether or not we were in a recession (or headed towards one). Tons of economists were sayin we were in a recession while people (like pres. Bush) kept denying it...until it was too late. I would think we'd learned from our past wrongs. There are some people we should be listening to.

    I live in Vegas and we were hit hard by the recession, and although we still have a 13% unemployment rate, we are starting to see some positives in our economy. It's gonna take at least another 18 mos, IMO, before we see any real evidence of the economy turning around.

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    whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute, we are in a recssion? Someone needs to tell the guy that brought me this 27k in cash today! Do i need a spoon in the pic? lol


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    jesus christ what do you do that you get paid that much cash? dad has jobs that bank that SOMETIMES....but never get to see it in cold hard greenies...mmmmmmmmm

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    One of the guys bought a trailer house from me today and paid cash. It was win win! It isnt all profit though. I only made 6500 on this deal. But it is a lot of cash. I dont liike having at the house either but we closed after the bank closed and I have to wait until tomorrow to deposit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by higherdesire;4***241
    One of the guys bought a trailer house from me today and paid cash. It was win win! It isnt all profit though. I only made 6500 on this deal. But it is a lot of cash. I dont liike having at the house either but we closed after the bank closed and I have to wait until tomorrow to deposit.
    lol, I've been there. I had a jeweler that had us remodel his house and he wanted a deal if we kept it off the books. So he showed up with a zipped bank bag full of 100's.

    He told me he's bought jewels for 300k with cash.

    There is something that "feels" better about cash though. Even though so much of the cash for things is ate up in cost, it's brings a smile to your face seeing it. Normally, it's just checks and numbers, 27k in cash looks a lot better than 27,000!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Dogg;4***114
    It takes times guys, people are not going to throw money around right away.

    I feel it's over though. I started my business the year before this "recession" started, so I don't know what it's like to have it good.

    But I'm doing fine with it, you just have to control cost, and maybe I am at an advantage of not knowing what it's like to have it good.

    I'm having no problems borrowing money, or finding a way for customers to get financed, people are lending, and lending with lower credit score clients, you are going to pay more fee's, but the money is still available.
    whats your business man, real estate?

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    Recovering noticably fast here in Australia.

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    Big deal, i have my own stack...


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