Need info from my ADD buddies

**DOM6** · 10-22-2009, 12:23 AM

went to the doc a month ago, he put me on Vyvance 30mg a day, but my insurance did'nt cover it, i had to pay $75 outa pocket, they cover Adderall, he said he would give me 10mg a day, is that the norm?
whats the difference of aderall and aderall xr i think its called?
kinda gives me insomnia plus kills the appetite, but lots of progress though, thanks
anybody run any of these and switch to something else?

**Bojangles69** · 10-22-2009, 01:33 AM

your taking it in the morning right?

**Bojangles69** · 10-22-2009, 01:38 AM

But I hope you realize you're on amphetamines. And know speed took a large part of my younger life away so I'm against anything related to it in every way. It destroys your brain, you will see. Anxiety, depression, all that when you get off it.

**Bojangles69** · 10-22-2009, 01:41 AM

[edit] Physical effects
Physical effects of amphetamine can include reduced appetite, increased/distorted sensations, hyperactivity, dilated pupils, flushing, restlessness, dry mouth, erectile dysfunction, headache, tachycardia, increased breathing rate, increased blood pressure, fever, sweating, diarrhea, constipation, blurred vision, impaired speech, dizziness, uncontrollable movements or shaking, insomnia, numbness, palpitations, and arrhythmia. In high doses or chronic use convulsions, dry or itchy skin, acne, pallor can occur.[33][34][35][36]

Occasionally amphetamine use in males can cause an odd and sometimes startling effect to occur in which the penis when flaccid appears to have shrunk. The reason this occurs is because amphetamine is a potent vasoconstrictor or an agent that constricts blood vessels. The rigidness of the erection and the size of the penis are in part affected by the amount of blood flow to the penis. When amphetamine constricts the blood vessels enough it reduces blood flow to the penis and then can produce a penis that is slightly smaller and this effect is often coupled along with impotence and erectile dysfunction. Upon erection the penis returns to normal size.[37]

Young adults who abuse amphetamines may be at greater risk of suffering a heart attack. In a study published in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence,[38] researchers examined data from more than 3 million people between 18 and 44 years old hospitalized from 2000 through 2003 in Texas. After controlling for cocaine abuse, alcohol abuse, tobacco use, hypertension, diabetes mellitus, lipid disorders, obesity, congenital defects, and coagulation defects, they found a relationship between a diagnosis of amphetamine abuse and heart attack.[39]

[edit] Psychological effects
Psychological effects of amphetamine can include anxiety and/or general nervousness (by increased norepinephrine),[40] euphoria, metacognition, increased confidence, perception of increased energy, increased sense of well being, increase of goal-orientated thoughts or organized behavior, repetitive behavior, increased concentration/mental sharpness, increased alertness, feeling of power or superiority, Increased aggression, emotional lability, excitability, talkativeness and occasionally amphetamine psychosis, typically in a high and/or chronic doses.[33] Effects are similar to other phenylethylamine stimulants and cocaine.[citation needed]

[edit] Withdrawal effects
Withdrawal from chronic recreational use of amphetamines can include anxiety, depression, agitation, fatigue, excessive sleeping, increased appetite, short temper, psychosis and suicidal thoughts.[41]

**lovbyts** · 10-22-2009, 03:08 AM

OK after all then what do you suggest for someone with ADD

Also there are new meds out that are not speed.

Maybe they is why speed never did much to me as a kid. If I took speed or caffeine pills I went to sleep LOL

Same now with coffee, I have to drink like 4 cups before I feel any effect or get a 4 shot espresso.

**J-Dogg** · 10-22-2009, 06:22 PM

I'm going to be honest and direct....

Ephedra/Ritalin/Adderal built my career. I do very well, I'm not a billionair, but I'm not hurting.

I used these products for about 2 years when I started investing in real estate and started a company.

The risk of using them, over that time, was worth the reward I got.

**SuperLift** · 10-22-2009, 09:32 PM

i have adderall xr 25mg i really hate taking it becuase it fvcks my workouts up I only take it on the days I have school so I can concentrate.

**Merc.** · 10-22-2009, 10:03 PM

Sup Dom

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He also teaches a 16 Hours AMA Category I class to train DR's how to use his amino acid protocols.. Heres a excerpt from his course info ..

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These are the physicians who are rewriting the medical text books with their cutting edge research. These are the physicians that formulated the "Bundle Damage Theory Model" in treatment and the "Dual Impedance Lumen Theory" in management or serotonin and catecholamine related illness.

They are the inventors of "non-invasive in-clinic laboratory assay of the functional status of the serotonin and dopamine transport by the basolateral monoamine transporter of the kidneys". This assay optimizes of treatment outcomes and optimizesf regulatory functions relating to serotonin and catecholamines. This approach was developed while caring for their patients on the front line of their clinical practice. The faculty of these educational events will discuss in clinic patient treatment results, relief of disease symptoms and manipulation of serotonin and dopamine regulatory function not previously known to medicine. This approach that has been described at national medical conferences where this research has been presentedas a "paradigm shift in medicine" .

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Also here a link to a thread I started about it on here ( has more info ) ... Neuro Research , Neuro Replete

Merc.

**doctorb325** · 10-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by DOM6

went to the doc a month ago, he put me on Vyvance 30mg a day, but my insurance did'nt cover it, i had to pay $75 outa pocket, they cover Adderall, he said he would give me 10mg a day, is that the norm?
whats the difference of aderall and aderall xr i think its called?
kinda gives me insomnia plus kills the appetite, but lots of progress though, thanks
anybody run any of these and switch to something else?

Adderall XR is extended-release. It usually comes in a capsule with little beads inside, so that it releases over a period of time throughout the day. Actually, half of the dose is released immediately, the other half six hours later. I HATE Adderall XR, I was prescribed it for sometime, it lasts way too long and I was going DAYS without sleep. I've seen them in 20 and 30 mg form.

The other kind is just Adderall (sometimes called Adderall IR or instant release) and it's usually in 10-20 mg little pills and you feel them almost immediately after taking them, but they usually wear off in like 4-6 hours.

Vyvance didn't do much for my ADD so I got taken off it almost immediately. Adderall helps and I prefer the IR to the XR because it lasts less time but you'll probably have to re dose.

**tboney** · 10-23-2009, 10:08 AM

For those of you who are old enough to remember, Adderall is basically just like the old dexadrine. This drug wrecks your body! There are better adhd drugs( if you actually have it) that are not as harmful. Just my opinion...

**tboney** · 10-23-2009, 10:11 AM

Just to clarify to the OP... I dont mean to imply that you dont have add, I just believe that docs are quick to diagnose people with this and that alot of the time there is something else going on..

**DOM6** · 10-23-2009, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by tboney

For those of you who are old enough to remember, Adderall is basically just like the old dexadrine. This drug wrecks your body! There are better adhd drugs( if you actually have it) that are not as harmful. Just my opinion...

what are these other ones you know about?
hows it wreck your body

**DOM6** · 10-23-2009, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by doctorb325

Adderall XR is extended-release. It usually comes in a capsule with little beads inside, so that it releases over a period of time throughout the day. Actually, half of the dose is released immediately, the other half six hours later. I HATE Adderall XR, I was prescribed it for sometime, it lasts way too long and I was going DAYS without sleep. I've seen them in 20 and 30 mg form.

The other kind is just Adderall (sometimes called Adderall IR or instant release) and it's usually in 10-20 mg little pills and you feel them almost immediately after taking them, but they usually wear off in like 4-6 hours.

Vyvance didn't do much for my ADD so I got taken off it almost immediately. Adderall helps and I prefer the IR to the XR because it lasts less time but you'll probably have to re dose.

Why didnt you like Vyvance?

**doctorb325** · 10-24-2009, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by DOM6

Why didnt you like Vyvance?

I didn't like that it I had to take a much higher dosage compared to adderall and even then I had difficulty staying organized and alert.

Now I hardly ever take adderall (I don't ever touch it on a cycle, my heart is under enough stress) except when I need to get a lot of homework done or studying. I think that it is possible to structure your day around your ADD so you work in reasonable increments but take breaks every so often.

**lovbyts** · 10-24-2009, 02:17 AM

I just started vyvance today, only 20 mg to start and we will re evaluate in 2 weeks.

I did a 6 months study group a few years ago. I already know I had ADD but this defiantly proved it 100% It was with several psychiatrist and I had to do weekly test. That was 6 years ago but I never ended up getting a prescription for anything because of my ADD after I as done I sort of forget about it. LOL

I started trying to get on something a few months ago and my doc would not just give me something with me seeing a psychiatrist stating I had ADD. After a few more months of forgetting I got in contact with the group I went through and got my letter. True ADD.

I hope the Vyvance works for me. You cant go by how hight the mg is with vyvance compared to adderall or riddlen since they are different drugs and have different compounds. They all work on different receptors I believe in the brain and they are not all just speed.

The Vyvance is supposed to be longer lasting and not have the ups/downs like some of the others.

**Phate** · 10-24-2009, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by DOM6

went to the doc a month ago, he put me on Vyvance 30mg a day, but my insurance did'nt cover it, i had to pay $75 outa pocket, they cover Adderall, he said he would give me 10mg a day, is that the norm?
whats the difference of aderall and aderall xr i think its called?
kinda gives me insomnia plus kills the appetite, but lots of progress though, thanks
anybody run any of these and switch to something else?

i currently have vyvnase(50mg), focalin(10mg), and ritalin(20mg), and i'll be using adderall sometime in the future i'm sure, and yes they are all prescribed

the difference between adderall and adderall xr is that the xr is an extended release(like vyvance) that you only need to take once a day while the regular adderall is a shorter release(around 4 hours normally)

if you want something affordable then ask your doctor for ritalin or concerta(the extended release version of ritalin)

these are around 5-10$ for a month's prescription

**DOM6** · 10-24-2009, 02:53 PM

I was on Vyvance 30mg last month and had great results,
my doc bumped it upto 50mg so yesterday i was zooming thru shit, i got like 2 days worth of work done in 1, but at night after 8pm 12 hours later from when i took it was weird, like i was in a stupor/ not in this world type of feeling til 10:30, got to call my doc on monday to see what that was from, i tell you this im dropping body fat like water, it kills my appetite but i still eat my 5 meals just cut out all junk food, Man what a difference. For work its great but for studying for a test, i dont know, well when i would study it would be around 8pm and its wore off so cant really comment

**lovbyts** · 10-25-2009, 06:04 AM

Good to know. Im only on day 3 but with such a low does I really dont notice anything yet. In the next couple days I will TRY doing some reading and see if there is any change. That is my biggest problem is concentrating when reading.

**DOM6** · 10-25-2009, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Good to know. Im only on day 3 but with such a low does I really dont notice anything yet. In the next couple days I will TRY doing some reading and see if there is any change. That is my biggest problem is concentrating when reading.

^^^ same problem here, when i took 30mg, i really didnt feel it when i ate with it, but if i didnt eat it hit me alot more, i think 30mg was a good dose, my doc said 20-40mg is more of a kids dose and someone my size is more of a 40-70mg dose.
but to me 30mg was good, i wanted a tad bit higher so he put me on 50mg, but i think i should of tried 40mg first
Let me know how it works out for you

**DOM6** · 10-25-2009, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

i currently have vyvnase(50mg), focalin(10mg), and ritalin(20mg), and i'll be using adderall sometime in the future i'm sure, and yes they are all prescribed

the difference between adderall and adderall xr is that the xr is an extended release(like vyvance) that you only need to take once a day while the regular adderall is a shorter release(around 4 hours normally)

if you want something affordable then ask your doctor for ritalin or concerta(the extended release version of ritalin)

these are around 5-10$ for a month's prescription

Do you find 1 better? I need mine for studying books
Which do you perfer over the other?

**lovbyts** · 10-25-2009, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by DOM6

^^^ same problem here, when i took 30mg, i really didnt feel it when i ate with it, but if i didnt eat it hit me alot more, i think 30mg was a good dose, my doc said 20-40mg is more of a kids dose and someone my size is more of a 40-70mg dose.
but to me 30mg was good, i wanted a tad bit higher so he put me on 50mg, but i think i should of tried 40mg first
Let me know how it works out for you

Why dont you just tell him you want to do 40? It's better to keep it as low as possible because like everything else eventually you body gets use to it and you will need more so make it later than sooner.

**DOM6** · 10-25-2009, 08:11 AM

thats probaly what im going to do tomorrow, but i just got a month worth filled so he'll probaly want me to wait til the next time i see him, i do think the 40mg would be best