Murder. Is it something humans are incapable of not commiting?

[BJJ]

regret cant undue death, sure most will feel regret later when its too late. but its way too late. when can feelings undue actions?

When farsightedness pevails over the instinct.

[BJJ]

I once killed a guy that was drunk and crossed the road without watching... I was driving and came to a red robot doing about 60km/h, he walked infront of me, i went into him and he flew over the hood.
It was horrible. But touch my family/dogs and ill put u to sleep permanently.

Sorry to read that!

[*El Diablo*]

Sorry to read that!

Yeah, i was coming back from work, it was around 19:00pm winter time here, and it was already dark, i was driving the legal speed limit which was 60km/h and as i approached the robot i slowed down, all of a sudden i saw a shadow in the right side of my eye and with that a loud noise, i immediatly stopped and saw my windscreen was cracked, as i got out the car all the other traffic stopped and i walked to the rear end of my car and the guy was just lying there, he was a bum, he didnt have ID/or anything on him, the ambulance came and took him away, i gave statements to the police and had to go to coart and they found that he was hecticly under the influence of alcohol, it was very scary.
But he didnt have any family etc.

[BJJ]

Yeah, i was coming back from work, it was around 19:00pm winter time here, and it was already dark, i was driving the legal speed limit which was 60km/h and as i approached the robot i slowed down, all of a sudden i saw a shadow in the right side of my eye and with that a loud noise, i immediatly stopped and saw my windscreen was cracked, as i got out the car all the other traffic stopped and i walked to the rear end of my car and the guy was just lying there, he was a bum, he didnt have ID/or anything on him, the ambulance came and took him away, i gave statements to the police and had to go to coart and they found that he was hecticly under the influence of alcohol, it was very scary.
But he didnt have any family etc.

How do you feel about that?

[*El Diablo*]

How do you feel about that?

At the time of the event i felt very angry, not with anyone but just about the fact that it was me, and i felt scared for a while thinking that i might have "murdered" someone and that it was my fault, u know, u start blaming yourself for it. But now i realised that i had no control over it, but ill never forget it. It sucks.

[lovbyts]

I had a GF that was involved in an accident where a guy on a motor cycle rear ended her. She was stopped making a left hand turn at an inersection coming to my house about 1/2 mile away. They guy on the bike was not paying attenion. She had been stopped for maybe 30 sec, he come up on her, slammed on his brakes, skidded and hit her flying over her car into the path of an incoming semi truck and went flippty flop under all the wheels/tires.

Someone who saw it was smart enough to tell her to come get me so she was not alone (before cell phones) and we went straight back down there before the police got there. I walked up to him/the body. It was a pile or mush except the head. Big blood stain that lasted a year.

She was devastated at the time but I got her completely settled down in a couple hours and thinking rationally. When I took her home she was fine, we had even gone out to eat. She was only 17. Then her mom already hearing the news took one look at her and said you look pretty happy for just killing someone.... OMG Her mom was a drunk. It took another 2 hrs to talk the GF down again.

[BJJ]

At the time of the event i felt very angry, not with anyone but just about the fact that it was me, and i felt scared for a while thinking that i might have "murdered" someone and that it was my fault, u know, u start blaming yourself for it. But now i realised that i had no control over it, but ill never forget it. It sucks.

Do you think about him sometimes?

[*El Diablo*]

Do you think about him sometimes?

Never mate, its over and done with now. I focus on the positive now.

[Flagg]

Interesting replies, Bo's post interests me the most because humans are a peculiar species. More civilised than most other animals yet we still adhere to old instincts.

Like it's easy to argue that animals kill for the good of their species, that's wrong. Most animals are inherintly selfish and do most things on the individual level. It just so happens that many individuals doing this at once just happens to be good for the species as a whole. But altruism isn't unknown throughout the animal kingdom..

There seems to be a divide on what people seem to deem "acceptable" killing. Most agree that cold blooded killing is wrong. And for all you people that think killing is easy, well like anything thats subjective and until you're in that situation it's impossible for anyone to say what they'd do. For instance, I could give you a gun and tell you to go in that room where there is a man bound and gagged to a chair. I tell you to shoot him. You ask why and I just say "trust me, he's a wrongun and has to go"....just how easy is it to kill a stranger then?

But then there is the counter argument that murderers should be killed, that in that case killing is acceptable. It seems to me that people are either for killing or they are not.

Everyday we kill. If it's not swatting a fly, it's a seriel killer on the rampage, or forests being wiped out for "Industry"...really where is the difference in any of it? Many species of animals are facing obliteration because of us, and it's not just a few but many species. Humans could be responsible for a 6th Mass Extinction and it'd be the first time that a mass extinction was due to a biotic factor.

And what happens when we've killed all edible animals, when we've exhausted all our resources, we begin to eat each other? That sounds sick but what is more sick is what the human race will do in order to survive.

We're a Super Predator, but sooner or later we're going to burn out. Long before we ever become "civilised".

[BJJ]

Interesting replies, Bo's post interests me the most because humans are a peculiar species. More civilised than most other animals yet we still adhere to old instincts.

Like it's easy to argue that animals kill for the good of their species, that's wrong. Most animals are inherintly selfish and do most things on the individual level. It just so happens that many individuals doing this at once just happens to be good for the species as a whole. But altruism isn't unknown throughout the animal kingdom..

There seems to be a divide on what people seem to deem "acceptable" killing. Most agree that cold blooded killing is wrong. And for all you people that think killing is easy, well like anything thats subjective and until you're in that situation it's impossible for anyone to say what they'd do. For instance, I could give you a gun and tell you to go in that room where there is a man bound and gagged to a chair. I tell you to shoot him. You ask why and I just say "trust me, he's a wrongun and has to go"....just how easy is it to kill a stranger then?

But then there is the counter argument that murderers should be killed, that in that case killing is acceptable. It seems to me that people are either for killing or they are not.

Everyday we kill. If it's not swatting a fly, it's a seriel killer on the rampage, or forests being wiped out for "Industry"...really where is the difference in any of it? Many species of animals are facing obliteration because of us, and it's not just a few but many species. Humans could be responsible for a 6th Mass Extinction and it'd be the first time that a mass extinction was due to a biotic factor.

And what happens when we've killed all edible animals, when we've exhausted all our resources, we begin to eat each other? That sounds sick but what is more sick is what the human race will do in order to survive.

We're a Super Predator, but sooner or later we're going to burn out. Long before we ever become "civilised".

By that time we, or better only a few of "us", will have already civilized another planet.

[hummerman]

If you can kill others does that mean you could kill yourself?

[The Deuce]

I once killed a guy that was drunk and crossed the road without watching... I was driving and came to a red robot doing about 60km/h, he walked infront of me, i went into him and he flew over the hood.
It was horrible. But touch my family/dogs and ill put u to sleep permanently.

Similar Experience.. I used to drive Tractor Trailer.. all of 3 months... Because like directly on my 3rd month of working for this company I was doing EVERYTHING I WAS SUPPOSED TO.. And A FRIGGEN BICYCLIST cut out and dumped it right under the REAR WHEELS.. I didnt feel a bit of remorse.. NOT ONE.. The idiot did it himself.. He could have waited.. he chose to go at that second..and I honestly believe he did it on purpose.. I did SOME digging and found out he had just lost his wife.. Tragic accident.. His Kids had disowned him.. so maybe he was either seeking a settlement from my Company or he wanted to off himself BUT HE PUT HIMSELF UNDERNEATH MY REAR WHEELS.. I had nothing to DO with it I swear it.. and the State Police Investigation PROVED IT WAS NOT MY FAULT... But Guess WHO still Lost their JOB and CAN NOT Ever get another Tractor Trailer driving POSITION anywhere.. I guess if you run over and KILL stupid civilians.. it's severely FROWNED upon...

Anyways back to the rest of your statement after my story.. YAH.. Touch My DOGS or MY WIFE or My KIDS or MY PARENTS or MY BROTHERS and I will .. and TRUST ME I have the many many many means.. all in different Calibers too.. to dispatch YOUR Life !!!

**Ok I should have had My Wife and Kids Before My dogs.. BUT !! Lol.. they don't yell back at me.. shhhhh **

[hummerman]

Touch my wife...........PLEASE!!!
Just stay away from my kids or folks........

And i wana watch if you touch my wife Yeah im a touch perverted.

[Swifto]

Killing is natural and it will always be a part of the human experience.

We are outdated machines that respond to evolutionary processess that started millions of years ago. The fact is murder/killing has had a direct link to surival for about 95% the entire time humans have been on this planet.
The need to kill for survival is much less now, but the genes are still there and people will always respond to them (it would prob rationally take a couple million years of living in a "civilized" world before genes began to alter in disfavor of killing).

Its funny how we demonize murderers in our modern world, but expecting noone to ever kill again would almost be like expecting noone to ever have sex again. The evolutionary forces are too strong for certain peoples concsious thought to fight. So they give in to the urge.

When I think about it its scary cause I see the genes in myself. I think everyone has the genes just that in some people the genes are dormant, OR the urge to kill is weaker, OR the mental capacity to resist killing is stronger. Theres been times when I've felt and believed I truely was gonna kill someone, I never did, but as strong as the temptation can get I do understand murder completely.

Even when you see something like some serial killers who just shoot children, as sick as it is, believe it or not those serial killers are enhancing their reproductive success. Those kids will fail to carry the genes of their father to new off spring, (their future kids) and the serial killer gives his genes a better shot to replicate. That dynamic would apply to when we lived in smaller tribes (population is too large now for it to enhance your success like it use to) but the circuitry and hardwiring is still in some peoples brains obviously.

And believe it or not, we call murders "sociopaths" but I'd be willing to bet that the larger majority of them are actually just alpha males.

Excellent post.

[Swifto]

I think everyone is capable of killing another human being.

Kill or be killed?

Look at the armed forces. Are normal human being's turned into killers or are they just reminded how to kill others?

[MaNiCC]

Btw Murder is a form of killing the same as man slaughter etc.

we like animals have killed for millions of years for various different reasons, sometimes for survival sometimes for fun. if you look at the world today it is driven by money power,religion and peoples contrasting opinions, whilst the world is like this i think murder rates will increase

to get back to your question, people are capable of not commiting but decide to commit it

[DSM4Life]

I could kill someone.

[BJJ]

Never mate, its over and done with now. I focus on the positive now.

I am glad for you indeed.

[Hazard]

It is my opinion that humans evolve differently than the animal kingdom. From the time we were cavemen to now, realistically, we have evolved very fast. It's taken alligators millionsof years to get to where they are at...... we, as a human race, have changed soooo much.

I like Bo's post..... i understand what he's saying..... i just think killing someone is beyond them being "wired" to doit. Serial killers have something wrong with them..... it's not natural. If the human race still acted on "killing instincts" we would be even worse than we are now.....

~Haz~

[Flagg]

It is my opinion that humans evolve differently than the animal kingdom. From the time we were cavemen to now, realistically, we have evolved very fast. It's taken alligators millionsof years to get to where they are at...... we, as a human race, have changed soooo much.

I like Bo's post..... i understand what he's saying..... i just think killing someone is beyond them being "wired" to doit. Serial killers have something wrong with them..... it's not natural. If the human race still acted on "killing instincts" we would be even worse than we are now.....

~Haz~

Agreed, I mean Bo is right that if you include us into the animal kingdom, then killing is perfectly natural. But humans suffer from mental conditions. Take the Washington Sniper. He didn't target certain people, he was quite the equal opportunist when it came to his targets.

Yes you get child slayers, you get murderers that target just women or old people..and that's why we're also different. Otherwise serial killers would always target the same groups. A lone lion wont decide to start killing female lions because it's ****ed in the head. Many animals have automatic responses to situations. Different environments will increase their activity, which would infer that animals "dont think things through". Sometimes Alpha males will kill newborn, especially if it isn't there own, but that is down to protecting it's bloodline, it has nothing to do with the animal being menatlly unstable. Mentally unstable animals are usually weeded out of the gene pool pretty quickly.

[collar]

I had a GF that was involved in an accident where a guy on a motor cycle rear ended her. She was stopped making a left hand turn at an inersection coming to my house about 1/2 mile away. They guy on the bike was not paying attenion. She had been stopped for maybe 30 sec, he come up on her, slammed on his brakes, skidded and hit her flying over her car into the path of an incoming semi truck and went flippty flop under all the wheels/tires.

Someone who saw it was smart enough to tell her to come get me so she was not alone (before cell phones) and we went straight back down there before the police got there. I walked up to him/the body. It was a pile or mush except the head. Big blood stain that lasted a year.

She was devastated at the time but I got her completely settled down in a couple hours and thinking rationally. When I took her home she was fine, we had even gone out to eat. She was only 17. Then her mom already hearing the news took one look at her and said you look pretty happy for just killing someone.... OMG Her mom was a drunk. It took another 2 hrs to talk the GF down again.

thats pretty crazy man, that would be hard trying comfort someone and tell them its all right and so on. only to get some monkey do otherwise...

[collar]

Interesting replies, Bo's post interests me the most because humans are a peculiar species. More civilised than most other animals yet we still adhere to old instincts.

Like it's easy to argue that animals kill for the good of their species, that's wrong. Most animals are inherintly selfish and do most things on the individual level. It just so happens that many individuals doing this at once just happens to be good for the species as a whole. But altruism isn't unknown throughout the animal kingdom..

There seems to be a divide on what people seem to deem "acceptable" killing. Most agree that cold blooded killing is wrong. And for all you people that think killing is easy, well like anything thats subjective and until you're in that situation it's impossible for anyone to say what they'd do. For instance, I could give you a gun and tell you to go in that room where there is a man bound and gagged to a chair. I tell you to shoot him. You ask why and I just say "trust me, he's a wrongun and has to go"....just how easy is it to kill a stranger then?

But then there is the counter argument that murderers should be killed, that in that case killing is acceptable. It seems to me that people are either for killing or they are not.

Everyday we kill. If it's not swatting a fly, it's a seriel killer on the rampage, or forests being wiped out for "Industry"...really where is the difference in any of it? Many species of animals are facing obliteration because of us, and it's not just a few but many species. Humans could be responsible for a 6th Mass Extinction and it'd be the first time that a mass extinction was due to a biotic factor.

And what happens when we've killed all edible animals, when we've exhausted all our resources, we begin to eat each other? That sounds sick but what is more sick is what the human race will do in order to survive.

We're a Super Predator, but sooner or later we're going to burn out. Long before we ever become "civilised".

first point i completly agree with you.

second point they may become vegetarians jk.

but i get what your saying.

[Hazard]

Agreed, I mean Bo is right that if you include us into the animal kingdom, then killing is perfectly natural. But humans suffer from mental conditions. Take the Washington Sniper. He didn't target certain people, he was quite the equal opportunist when it came to his targets.

Yes you get child slayers, you get murderers that target just women or old people..and that's why we're also different. Otherwise serial killers would always target the same groups. A lone lion wont decide to start killing female lions because it's ****ed in the head. Many animals have automatic responses to situations. Different environments will increase their activity, which would infer that animals "dont think things through". Sometimes Alpha males will kill newborn, especially if it isn't there own, but that is down to protecting it's bloodline, it has nothing to do with the animal being menatlly unstable. Mentally unstable animals are usually weeded out of the gene pool pretty quickly.

Right..... and also..... not all animals are "selfish" - the groups that hunt in packs are far more superior and successful at hunting and killing than other animals. They didn't just come across this by accident..... they evolved and perfected the art of killing to benefit as a whole species.

Humans are a completely different organism..... we are unlike anything else in the universe (that we know of) - therefore..... I don't believe the same "evolutionary" rules apply to us..... in other words - the basic insticts that drive animals aren't the same that drive humans. Animals kill to survive..... we kill because of emotion.....

~Haz~

[collar]

If someone takes one of your family members then you can take their life away without question. but would you follow through and do it is the question. I can never answer that question i guess untill your in that situation.

but then you get the murderes that do so much evil in the world and they deserve the death sentence.. then i think who are we to decide who gets the death sentence??
we are playing god sort of thing??

us putting someone to death sentence just makes us killers like them??

but then i think they deserve it you know/??

interesting topic though.

[collar]

Right..... and also..... not all animals are "selfish" - the groups that hunt in packs are far more superior and successful at hunting and killing than other animals. They didn't just come across this by accident..... they evolved and perfected the art of killing to benefit as a whole species.

Humans are a completely different organism..... we are unlike anything else in the universe (that we know of) - therefore..... I don't believe the same "evolutionary" rules apply to us..... in other words - the basic insticts that drive animals aren't the same that drive humans. Animals kill to survive..... we kill because of emotion.....

~Haz~

I agree 100%
humans have brains where they can think, of course some are incapable of doing so mentally ill kind..

where animals kill to live really.

[rockinred]

"Right In Two"

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
Right in two.

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.
And this is what they choose...

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one
they're bound to divide it,
Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
They make a club.
And beat their brother, down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut it all right in two [x4]

Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over life, over blood, over prayer,
overhead and light
Fight over love, over sun,
over another, Fight...

Angels on the sideline again.
Benched along with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cut it all right in two [x3]
RIGHT IN TWO!

Right in two...

[Flagg]

Right..... and also..... not all animals are "selfish" - the groups that hunt in packs are far more superior and successful at hunting and killing than other animals. They didn't just come across this by accident..... they evolved and perfected the art of killing to benefit as a whole species.

Humans are a completely different organism..... we are unlike anything else in the universe (that we know of) - therefore..... I don't believe the same "evolutionary" rules apply to us..... in other words - the basic insticts that drive animals aren't the same that drive humans. Animals kill to survive..... we kill because of emotion.....

~Haz~

This is true. Altruism isn't unheard of in the animal kingdom. Animals will only evolve if their environment or circumstance requires them to evolve, this is Natural Selection. Humans have gotten to the point where we are beyond environmental factors affecting us, this is mostly down to technology, quality of life and medicine. If we evolve or adapt any further, it will be to accomodate technological factors rather than biological ones.

Animals and humans both have emotions, except animals are the master of their emotions where as emotions are the master of us.

[Flagg]

"Right In Two"

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys,
Where there's one you're bound to divide it.
Right in two.

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason.
And this is what they choose.
And this is what they choose...

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs,
They forge a blade,
And where there's one
they're bound to divide it,
Right in two.
Right in two.

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey.
Over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs.
They make a club.
And beat their brother, down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.

Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here.

Cut it all right in two [x4]

Fight over the clouds, over wind, over sky
Fight over life, over blood, over prayer,
overhead and light
Fight over love, over sun,
over another, Fight...

Angels on the sideline again.
Benched along with patience and reason.
Angels on the sideline again
Wondering when this tug of war will end.

Cut it all right in two [x3]
RIGHT IN TWO!

Right in two...

I like this. Because im a great believer in education, in intelligence and so on, but if you was to take the Garden of Eden as truth, then prehaps we have done more harm to ourselves by eating that apple. It's easy to say, and I have said it a thousand times, that knowledge is not a sin....yet you don't seen any other animals building weapons of war, factories created with the sole purpose of killing humans, bombs that can obliterate cities..

[rockinred]

I like this. Because im a great believer in education, in intelligence and so on, but if you was to take the Garden of Eden as truth, then prehaps we have done more harm to ourselves by eating that apple. It's easy to say, and I have said it a thousand times, that knowledge is not a sin....yet you don't seen any other animals building weapons of war, factories created with the sole purpose of killing humans, bombs that can obliterate cities..

Flagg, I know your stance on religion and preference of science...which i have no beef with whatsoever....

I will say that drawing parallels with animals and insects when it is way, way more complex than that is really the easy way out of a very complex question.

Perhaps we will never completely understand everything...and maybe there are hints of truth in it all... whether you choose to factor in religion or divinity, it really does run way deeper than what we can fathom right now.

Those are lyrics to a Tool song... and yes you picked up exactly right on my point of posting it... factories of war and things way more complicated than just a simple survival game. Good insight on your part.

[oscarjones]

Blame the feds.

[Bojangles69]

I like this. Because im a great believer in education, in intelligence and so on, but if you was to take the Garden of Eden as truth, then prehaps we have done more harm to ourselves by eating that apple. It's easy to say, and I have said it a thousand times, that knowledge is not a sin....yet you don't seen any other animals building weapons of war, factories created with the sole purpose of killing humans, bombs that can obliterate cities..

No I'll tell you what some animals do.

Alligator - drags you underwater and drowns you.
Lion - eats your face off while you are still alive.
Snake - inhales you whole as you cant move your limbs, suffocate and die as digestive acids slowly eat you whole.
Scorpion - stings you (direct biological warfare) as your entire nervous system goes array and you die.

I would pick a nuke any day of the week. Just saying.. =]

[Flagg]

No I'll tell you what some animals do.

Alligator - drags you underwater and drowns you.
Lion - eats your face off while you are still alive.
Snake - inhales you whole as you cant move your limbs, suffocate and die as digestive acids slowly eat you whole.
Scorpion - stings you (direct biological warfare) as your entire nervous system goes array and you die.

I would pick a nuke any day of the week. Just saying.. =]

Right, slight misconceptions there...you've done what most people do and thats anthropormorphisize animals.

Alligators drag their pray underwater because alligators are naturally at home in water, they're extremely immobile and slow on land. They know their pray is the same in water. And what they do is drag their pray under and start turning. This will break bones and kill the pray in the quickest possible time. No malice involved, its how they eat.

Lions do not "eat your face off" while you're alive. Most big cats like lions and tigers will choke you to death first before eating you.

Snakes eat you whole. Well how else are they going to eat you. You'll be dead long before any digestive acids got to you. You seem to think animals take their time killing, they don't. They cant afford to, its a waste of energy and time, especially with competition and predators around. They kill in the quickest time possible.

Considering what prays on scorpions like mongooses and certain types of badgers, they need a defense mechanism. I can accept people being stung by accident but if someone deliberately ****s around with a scorpion then I have no sympathy for them. Every animals has a means of defending itself/escaping, scorpions have the ability to sting. So do bees and most other insects.

Animals DO NOT bare malice to whatever they are trying to kill for food or escape. They dont go out their way to kill because "they don't like" another species or sub-species.

And unless you're at Ground Zero, I can't imagine dying of radiation sickness or radiation burns is any fun.

[nothingtoitbuttodoit]

Ummm, I have ONE THING TO SAY....

Killing is Easy, that is what makes it so dangerous.

i am a man who feels NO REMORSE for his actions.. which makes me the most dangerous type of human. Capable of murder without blinking an eye.

BUT !!

Only if needed, like if someone raped my wife... or killed one or all of my kids... yes i would DISPATCH that bastard(s) to whichever God they pleased...

but, the weird thing.. I am not diagnosable with any mental illness..there is no chapter for what I have. It's just called.. HATRED .. towards other humans... THAT do harm to me, or to my family...

NO, I am not about to, or have killed anyone... I am just saying...

WHEN PUSHED.. KILLING IS AS EASY AS BREATHING.....

think you've been watching rambo too much mate

[countrybhoy]

killing is easy living with it can be harder . living in belfast most of my life i know a lot of people that have killed for the irish cause some live with it easier than others . but all say that it was justified

[Flagg]

killing is easy living with it can be harder . living in belfast most of my life i know a lot of people that have killed for the irish cause some live with it easier than others . but all say that it was justified

I sometimes wonder if "killing for a cause" is worthy. It could be said that animals kill for a cause, the cause to survive. Religion is a large proprieter of killing and bloodshed in the human race.

Humans don't kill to survive, we kill to aquire, we kill to conqueor and sometimes we kill for amusement.

[countrybhoy]

depends on your point of view . the irish conflict is not about religion but equality and freedom . killing for money being in a job where you are paid to kill to me is wrong really your killing for profit and just because you wear a uniform dont make it ok . like i said it depends on your point of view . but i would say we are all capable of killing if it comes down to it .

[BJJ]

depends on your point of view . the irish conflict is not about religion but equality and freedom . killing for money being in a job where you are paid to kill to me is wrong really your killing for profit and just because you wear a uniform dont make it ok . like i said it depends on your point of view . but i would say we are all capable of killing if it comes down to it .

It relies in our own primordial instinct.

[Flagg]

You have to remember though, that Human Behaviour is very different to Animal Behaviour. A lot of animal behaviour is a phenotype governed by Genetic (internal) and Environmental (external) factors. Behaviour in this sense can be learned or innate. Behaviour in an animal can largely be how genes are expressed that have been selected for when an animal has been successful in living in a certain environment.

Human genes can be linked to our behaviour, however because of how complex an organism we are, it has been theorised that we have been able to overide the determinism of our genes. Culture, social norms, ethics and morales have all played huge parts in this.

You would think in some ways that this would make us superior to animals, yet how is it we are the most destructive animal on the planet? The worst part is, WE KNOW WHAT WE DO, yet that doesn't stop us from doing it. Animals often don't have a choice when it comes to killing. We do, which is why it seems all the worst when we do commit murder.

[countrybhoy]

can i aske what you define as murder . when does a killing become murder .

[Flagg]

can i aske what you define as murder . when does a killing become murder .

You speak as if killing and murder are mutually exclusive. Both have the same end result. People are muddied by the idea that "murder" implies premeditation and killing is simply "the taking of". Again, both lead to the end result. Killing can be accidental, if you accidently hit someone in your car. By to say a Sniper or a soldier is a trained killer and not a murderer is astounding. Im not casting a morale judgement on any soldiers, but that's how it is. If you use a weapon on someone, with the intent to kill or eliminate that person, how is that not murder?

I think what im getting at is that animals have a justifiable reason to kill, we kill as an exercise in power and control.