False positive drug screen from ephedrine?

[RyanRoss]

Hey crew,

I get sinus infections from hell time and time again. (got one right now)

The only thing that helps clear me up is advil cold and sinus with pseudoephedrine. As you know I'm on probation and subject to random urine tests. If I take 2 of these today, is there a chance later on that I can test positive for meth? This sucks. Because if that happens, I am jailed for TWO WEEKS while they send it off to the lab for lab results, and I'm in SCHOOL!!!

If that happens , then i'll be dropped from classes and lose my damn financial aid!! Is this a possibility? If it is, guess I'm feeling like crap on new years

[RyanRoss]

Bump. I'm dying over here guys

[drdeath613]

i would think if its known for test postive for that they would have it listed best bet is to ask ur po how it works or ask a pharmacist

[MotoLifter]

yeah. better safe than sorry in this case. I know a few companies have removed that ingredient because of the meth labs. but dont know what they sub it with.


Moto

[*RAGE*]

you will be fine bro, the drug screen is not like that and it is not illegal.. the test will be positive if you use meth or mdma.....peace

[RyanRoss]

i would think if its known for test postive for that they would have it listed best bet is to ask ur po how it works or ask a pharmacist

She pretty much said my ass would be detained for two weeks while its sent to a lab. Sadly they're closed today and new years day so I can't get ahold of her

[drdeath613]

then u need to try and tough it out my friend go get yourself some airborne it has helped me alot of times

[RyanRoss]

then u need to try and tough it out my friend go get yourself some airborne it has helped me alot of times

Just said to hell with it and took it at 8PM last night. It was done at 8AM this morning (half life) and it takes 1-4 days to clear. With my metabolism I'd say two at the very very most. Went through 1 1/2 gallons of water yesterday, shooting for 2 today. And hoping I don't get called in tomorrow. I should be fine, I only took one dose. I'll be seriously peaved if I get dicked over.

[drdeath613]

well if we dont see a post we know u failed it and when u get back ill kick u in da nuts

on the other hand if u pass with no problem dsm will kick u in da nuts then lick em

[RyanRoss]

well if we dont see a post we know u failed it and when u get back ill kick u in da nuts

on the other hand if u pass with no problem dsm will kick u in da nuts then lick em

Either way I face a shot to the sack lol nice

[Bojangles69]

Because at one point in my life I ran a meth lab I'll tell you now just so you know.

Yes you can absolutely test positive for meth. The reason why is simple, 6.8% of all ephedrine in the body is broken down into methamphetamine salts, so yes you CAN test positive depending on the dose of ephedrine, but it would be higher then the RDA, much higher.

In the event you DID fail, yes you would be retained (been on parole so I know what they do) but they will also release you pending a further analysis on the urine. Its the same ratio type analysis for poppy seed bagels, where they can tell the amount in your urine and metabolites were from contamination rather then for actual use. And at that point they would release you.

Thats basically how I understand it at least.

[OH REALLY]

wow i would think its safe to take..

[Expert]

Hey crew,

I get sinus infections from hell time and time again. (got one right now)

The only thing that helps clear me up is advil cold and sinus with pseudoephedrine. As you know I'm on probation and subject to random urine tests. If I take 2 of these today, is there a chance later on that I can test positive for meth? This sucks. Because if that happens, I am jailed for TWO WEEKS while they send it off to the lab for lab results, and I'm in SCHOOL!!!

If that happens , then i'll be dropped from classes and lose my damn financial aid!! Is this a possibility? If it is, guess I'm feeling like crap on new years

Are you really this stupid?

1. Stop getting in trouble and you dont have to worry about stupid sh1t like this.

2. Why dont you pay for your own damn schooling and stop letting us taxpayers pay for some idiot steroid freak, drug head, lazy ex con piece of sh1t!

3. Stop getting on a freakin message board and cryin like a b1tch! Nobody really gives 2 sh1ts what happenes to you.

4. Nothing will happen take your medicine you dip sh1t.

5 Have a nice day!

[drdeath613]

lol never mind him its hammer

[Bojangles69]

wow i would think its safe to take..

I think as much as poppy seeds are talked about, you'd actually be more likely to fail for speed taking ephedrine, then opiates by taking poppy seeds.

Because you can eat 2lbs of poppy seeds, and what determines whether you fail or not is simply the washing process of the seeds the manufacturer uses.
So its possible to eat a ton of poppy seeds and not fail a drug test, with ephedrine though the conversion happens in your body, at a standard ratio, so the same amount will always fail you, I just am not sure what the exact amount is.

Pretty relevant piece of information at this point (the amount of ephedrine), but 6.8% is a high conversion, so I don't think it would be high at all. Still higher then the RDA though I think.

[drdeath613]

lol then theres two people that need a quick ban hammer

[drdeath613]

epic fail not married moron

[Bojangles69]

Hammers life on this forum will be shorter then a fruit fly,
I don't say that because fruit flies live short lives, I say that because they have bigger brains then hammer.. and his altered ago "expert" combined.. which he obviously is still in denial about.

[Expert]

Hammers life on this forum will be shorter then a fruit fly,
I don't say that because fruit flies live short lives, I say that because they have bigger brains then hammer.. and his altered ago "expert" combined.. which he obviously is still in denial about.

why bring me into your stupidity?

[ArmedHammerd]

Are you really this stupid?

1. Stop getting in trouble and you dont have to worry about stupid sh1t like this.

2. Why dont you pay for your own damn schooling and stop letting us taxpayers pay for some idiot steroid freak, drug head, lazy ex con piece of sh1t!

3. Stop getting on a freakin message board and cryin like a b1tch! Nobody really gives 2 sh1ts what happenes to you.

4. Nothing will happen take your medicine you dip sh1t.

5 Have a nice day!

So now ur a drug expert as well y r you even wasting your time on this board if you think anyone who uses AAS is lazy and some steroid freak drug head if thats the case then y do u even care to post threads about injection pain HMMM http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=414575 piss off troll

[Bojangles69]

why bring me into your stupidity?

You quoted me genius.

If you have a problem with it, consult your brain, not me.

[Bojangles69]

Fail.

Learn how to imbed images numnuts, its an acquired skill of any capable troll.

[Bojangles69]

I love how he thinks hes really getting on peoples nerves, but fails to realize hes a minimal nuisance at best.

People don't take you seriously enough to care what you think about african americans, so any effort you make to demean them is redundant. At least portray yourself as someone somewhat respectable first, then youd have a better chance in accomplishing your troll initiatives.

Otherwise maybe you should go back to your troll drawing boards.

[RyanRoss]

Are you really this stupid?

1. Stop getting in trouble and you dont have to worry about stupid sh1t like this.

This is a steroid board......people here, use steroids.....some get caught (me) some dont'...

2. Why dont you pay for your own damn schooling and stop letting us taxpayers pay for some idiot steroid freak, drug head, lazy ex con piece of sh1t!

Obviously you dont know me. I have paid for all of my years in school, except this last semester I need assistance. You don't like the fact that tax payers money are going to EDUCATION??? Get over it......go complain about a cause that is UNWORTHY of tax payer money. Jack ass.

3. Stop getting on a freakin message board and cryin like a b1tch! Nobody really gives 2 sh1ts what happenes to you.

4. Nothing will happen take your medicine you dip sh1t.

5 Have a nice day!

Bold above.

[RyanRoss]

Well, here's what's up. I took 1 dose of advil cold and sinus.

The ingredients are:

200mg Ibuprofen
30mg pseudoephedrine HCL

I took it 8PM New Years Eve....its half life was over 8AM new years day. I go in for testing at 12 noon if my number is called. So pretty much it will have been breaking down in my system for 28 hours if I get called in tomorrow. Surely 30mg of that can break down within 28 hours!! Pray for me guys, I'm super paranoid. Next time I won't do it; the anxiety of this is NOT worth it.

[Bojangles69]

Well, here's what's up. I took 1 dose of advil cold and sinus.

The ingredients are:

200mg Ibuprofen
30mg pseudoephedrine HCL

I took it 8PM New Years Eve....its half life was over 8AM new years day. I go in for testing at 12 noon if my number is called. So pretty much it will have been breaking down in my system for 28 hours if I get called in tomorrow. Surely 30mg of that can break down within 28 hours!! Pray for me guys, I'm super paranoid. Next time I won't do it; the anxiety of this is NOT worth it.

As close as that is, just speaking from what I know, theres no way you should test positive.
Less then 7% of that broke down into speed, and you need to consider the half life of a dose that small. Speed is generally out of your system in a matter of a day or 2, and fact is I actually doubt youd test positive right now.
If you said you took around 3 or 400mg worth I'd be more worried, because that amount could convert into a dose that would actually get you high, and tests are designed on the metabolites of much higher doses.
Even if its in you, theres a good chance the test won't be sensitive enough.

Also, most importantly, if you get the stanard 5 in1 dip strip analysis, that tests for meth metabolites, not regular amphetamines, you'll be a ok. Ephedrine breaks down into amphetamine, not methamphetamine.(although chemically meth is made in the lab)
Ive seen people hopped up on amphetamine actually pass a methamphetamine test. So I think you have a lot going for you in this situation. Youd think its all the same but its def not. Which was another thing that surprised me about parole, I got tested for the same 5 drugs everytime, when realistically there was about 2 or 300 other drugs I could be high on at the moment.

I think you'll be ok bro.

[RyanRoss]

As close as that is, just speaking from what I know, theres no way you should test positive.
Less then 7% of that broke down into speed, and you need to consider the half life of a dose that small. Speed is generally out of your system in a matter of a day or 2, and fact is I actually doubt youd test positive right now.
If you said you took around 3 or 400mg worth I'd be more worried, because that amount could convert into a dose that would actually get you high, and tests are designed on the metabolites of much higher doses.
Even if its in you, theres a good chance the test won't be sensitive enough.

Also, most importantly, if you get the stanard 5 in1 dip strip analysis, that tests for meth metabolites, not regular amphetamines, you'll be a ok. Ephedrine breaks down into amphetamine, not methamphetamine.(although chemically meth is made in the lab)
Ive seen people hopped up on amphetamine actually pass a methamphetamine test. So I think you have a lot going for you in this situation. Youd think its all the same but its def not. Which was another thing that surprised me about parole, I got tested for the same 5 drugs everytime, when realistically there was about 2 or 300 other drugs I could be high on at the moment.

I think you'll be ok bro.

This makes me feel alot better bro. My main concern was that amphetamines could make a person test positive for methamphetamine. And the test you speak of, its a 5 in 1 I think like you mention. I go, they dip this strip looking thing in a cup, and then stick it into a cartridge and if there's stuff in your system it shows up. Man I learn more everyday.....there are some real messed up things in the judicial system. There is a lawsuit in Indiana right now because 9 probationers are suing the drug testers lab for false positives. One guy was jailed for THREE MONTHS. Lost his apartment, car was auctioned off, lost his job...everything; all because of a false positive.

[Bojangles69]

This makes me feel alot better bro. My main concern was that amphetamines could make a person test positive for methamphetamine. And the test you speak of, its a 5 in 1 I think like you mention. I go, they dip this strip looking thing in a cup, and then stick it into a cartridge and if there's stuff in your system it shows up. Man I learn more everyday.....there are some real messed up things in the judicial system. There is a lawsuit in Indiana right now because 9 probationers are suing the drug testers lab for false positives. One guy was jailed for THREE MONTHS. Lost his apartment, car was auctioned off, lost his job...everything; all because of a false positive.

Ok yeh you are definitely good to go with the 5 in 1.
Some people even think that just because ephedrine is chemically similar to speed that its enough to trick a test for a positive, (just the ephedrine molecule itself) but these tests test for very specific metabolites.
Meth metabolites are very chemically different then amphetamine. (if you want to get REAL technical you can't even make amphetamine in a lab form ephedrine, you have to make meth first, then make amphetamine from the meth which is a bitch) But for opiates its different so know that for the future. A lot of opiates have the same metabolites, which is why it tests more generally for "opiates" as opposed to heroin or any specific opiate.
But in this scenario you have nothing to worry about.

Parole has to do the strips because they can't afford proper tests that corporations/businesses do for work related analysis, so you can keep that in mind too. Still bump the thread tommorow to let us know it went fine.

[RyanRoss]

Ok yeh you are definitely good to go with the 5 in 1.
Some people even think that just because ephedrine is chemically similar to speed that its enough to trick a test for a positive, (just the ephedrine molecule itself) but these tests test for very specific metabolites.
Meth metabolites are very chemically different then amphetamine. (if you want to get REAL technical you can't even make amphetamine in a lab form ephedrine, you have to make meth first, then make amphetamine from the meth which is a bitch) But for opiates its different so know that for the future. A lot of opiates have the same metabolites, which is why it tests more generally for "opiates" as opposed to heroin or any specific opiate.
But in this scenario you have nothing to worry about.

Parole has to do the strips because they can't afford proper tests that corporations/businesses do for work related analysis, so you can keep that in mind depending for the future too. Still bump the thread tommorow to let us know it went fine.

Will do bro and this is all very much appreciated. This caused major paranoia for me. I may not even get called in for testing but given how many people get trashed on new years i'm sure they're going to call alot of people in for testing tomorrow since they were closed new years day!

If you don't hear from me within 12 hours then I'm in jail! I'm going to talk to my PO also and see what necessary steps I have to take in order to take advil cold and sinus without being jailed, because this stuff is a staple for me in the winter months if I want to keep going!!

Thanks a ton bro, hopefully I can give you the support back that you've given me in this thread sometime soon!