i was in gnc looking at the gainer shakes today and this guy was talking about the products with the sales lady. she was suggesting stuff for him and talking about metabolism and shit. he then asked if they had any winstrol. he mentioned it helped harden without getting big. she said no and i dont think she knew what it was. i told him it was a steroid. he said he didnt know that. his friend told him to get winstrol. some friend, didnt tell him what he was getting into. just take it.