If you were interested to know why they can't grow food in haiti

[Kratos]

Aside from it's political past, and violent history...basically the reason they have no farm land and crops deminish year after year and food aid increases year after year, is charcoal.

They are so stupid the whole island has been turned into a dust bowl. Cutting down millions of trees evey year because it's the primary cooking fuel. All the top soil has washed away, massive floods kill thousands every year. And, this is likely to continue until the last tree is gone.

http://jonathanauch.com/charbon/

[Kratos]

South Florida Sun-Sentinel
December 7, 2003
'We know that this is destroying the land, but charcoal is what keeps us alive'

Tim Collie
Sun-Sentinel

BOMBARDOPOLIS, HAITI-- The men in this town hunt their trees in packs.

Fanning out in groups of four or five with handmade axes, picks and crowbars, they may happen upon a mango tree, a vital fruit producer, that no longer earns its keep. Down it comes. Or they may bring down a gayoc -- an extremely rare hardwood tree once prized for the medicinal quality of its resin.

When a tree cannot be found, men turn on the stumps of timber long gone and dig, hack, poke and pry the wood out of the ground.

They then dig a pit in the wet, brown soil and set the wood -- trees or stumps -- ablaze. The burning pile is covered with mud, grass and leaves in a mound from
which smoke rises. Joining milky white tendrils from other mounds, the resulting haze wafts over denuded mountainsides that look like scar tissue on the
once-verdant landscape.

A week passes and the men known as charbonniers dig up the "black gold" -- charcoal -- the product that fuels this poor nation's cities while devouring what's left of
its countryside.

Sold by charbonniers to urban residents -- for use in home cooking, bakeries and dry cleaners -- charcoal has been the chief source of energy for decades,
accounting for 85 percent of energy consumption. Electricity has never penetrated the rural interior where half the country's 8 million people live. Oil prices have
risen dramatically in the last two years, making the dwindling forests the only fuel option for most Haitians.

But with every downed tree, this nation's natural legacy is going up in smoke. Charcoal production is the engine driving Haiti to the brink of environmental collapse.

"We're not fools; we know that this is destroying the land, but charcoal is what keeps us alive," said Liberus Mesadieu, a 34-year-old farmer, as he hacked at a tree
stump, sweat staining the old Domino's Pizza delivery shirt on his back. "This area used to be dense with trees, but we uprooted them all for the wood."

Added his neighbor, 44-year-old Delius Alcius: "Cutting trees leads us to more misery. If we didn't have to cut the trees, the soil would be richer here. But to make
money here, you have to take all the wood to make the charcoal."

The practice is not only decimating once-lush forests. The dearth of wood for homes has led to mining of rock and sand from Haiti's mountains to make cement,
which intensifies erosion problems. In Port-au-Prince, at least 7,900 acres of land has been mined to build small homes in the expanding slums, according to the
United Nations.

As trees disappear, so do parts of the culture. The nation's artists no longer have enough wood to make sculptures. Indigenous dishes are disappearing as certain
fruits and vegetables become more rare and harder to grow, and cheap imports like breakfast cereal replace them.

Rural farmers don't use charcoal; the product evolved to meet the growing demand for fuel in Port-au-Prince and other large cities, as people fled the countryside for
urban areas. Yet as more trees fall in rural areas to meet the demands of the cities, ever more young men and women leave the countryside for urban slums,
escalating the nation's deforestation.

The economics of charcoal production are so favorable that even when conventional crop harvests are good, they pale in comparison to the money a farmer can
make burning trees.

To raise lima beans during a single harvest on 3 acres of land, Mesadieu must work with three other farmers and buy the seed for about $15 -- the equivalent of 500
gourdes in Haitian currency. A good harvest yields 60 pounds of beans, earning 900 gourdes, or $28. The profit: $13, or $3.25 for each partner.

But in a single week, one charcoal pit yields at least three bags, earning 375 gourdes, or $11 in total. If he finds a way to transport it to local markets, he can make
nearly twice that amount.

The impact on local economies is similar to that of the coca industry in Colombia, where food crops are forsaken for the environmentally damaging plants and
practices that provide the key ingredient in cocaine.

In Bombardopolis, charcoal has become a form of currency. Heaping bags of it lean against homes, an outward reflection of wealth. Farmers take out loans against
it and use the bags to pay for food or school.

But the area around the village is almost treeless, and farmers say the next generation won't even have charcoal to fall back on.

"For the first time, people are really talking about leaving" Bombardopolis, said Alcius, explaining that he must harvest charcoal to buy medicine for his ailing wife.
"You never saw that before because it was too hard a trip to make to the Dominican Republic. And finding a boat for the United States is very difficult."

UPROOTING THE FORESTS

The United States, foreign governments and international charities have been sponsoring reforestation projects in Haiti for decades. But the multimillion-dollar efforts
are overwhelmed by Haiti's political instability and staggering poverty.

The Atlanta-based CARE organization has extensive nurseries and tree-planting programs in Haiti's northwest, but its agriculture specialists concede that weaning
farmers off charcoal is an immense task. Their nurseries produce 300,000 seedlings a year, usually fruit trees like mango and citrus, as well as forest trees like
eucalyptus and cedar.

"You can't force people to keep trees on their land, if for no other reason than there's no government enforcement around here," said Wilbert Pierreval, CARE's
reforestation chief in Bombardopolis. "One guy will tell you he needs this tree for money to send his wife to a hospital, another will say it's for school. What we can
do is suggest they not cut down one tree and then give them 10 seedlings to grow some more trees."

Bombardopolis and three other nearby villages are famine zones with 180,000 people at risk, according to the United Nations World Food Program. It is a region
so poor that young men climb up stone walls to study textbooks under the single light at a local CARE compound.

In a report last December, the United Nations noted: "Most of the households can hardly afford one meal a day ... others live on coconuts or mere tea. Because of
lack of income and hunger, some parents can no longer maintain their children in school. Others are just too hungry to commute to school. In some areas, part of the
able population [mostly males ages 14 to 40] are migrating to the cities and abroad, hence diminishing the agriculture labor base.

"Young girls who migrate to urban areas in search of food are forced by circumstances to engage in prostitution, putting them at the risk of early pregnancy or
contracting HIV/AIDS. Some young schoolgirls have returned to their villages with babies, hence creating additional burden for their parents."

Environmental experts date the charcoal boom to the early 1960s, when world coffee prices fell so low that Haiti could no longer compete in the coffee market. The
country was in the early years of the Duvalier dictatorship, which ruled brutally for three decades. Haitian farmers began ripping up their coffee plants to replace
them with crops that would fetch a better price.

"Coffee was being exported, but during the Duvalier years there were lots of high taxes on it and lots of exploitative practices by the government -- predatory
practices," explained John Currelly, an agronomist with the Pan American Development Foundation in Haiti. "More and more of it was smuggled out, and less and
less of it was actually harvested. And the techniques for growing it were very bad. It was just part of the whole disintegration of Haitian society during that time."

Because coffee beans grow on a bush that doesn't have to be replanted every year, it holds tropical soil very well. Coffee also grows well with surrounding tree
cover, so there is no need to clear forests.

But as farmers grew desperate, they began moving to other crops -- including corn, peanuts and bananas -- to support their families. But those crops were
unsuitable for Haiti's mountainous terrain.

"Geography plays a key role: It tells you what you can plant and what you can't," explained Currelly. "What you cannot plant on highly sloped fields is corn. Or
peanuts, which you have to pull up out of the ground in order to harvest them."

In the village of Figuiers, 79-year-old Fabius Augustin recalls the day an entrepreneur named Thomas showed up to tell farmers about the charcoal industry in the
1960s. Thomas taught them how to make charcoal and set up a system of middlemen to bring the product to markets in Gonaives, six hours away.

"Everybody here overnight went crazy," said Augustin, a local minister regarded as a village elder. "They began chopping down trees everywhere, and nobody paid
much attention to planting new ones. There was shade all over here. It was a dark, thick jungle. But look at it now: It's a desert."

Local officials oversaw the thriving trade but protected larger forests controlled by the government or large landowners.

That system broke down with the fall of the Duvalier dictatorship in 1986. Tree harvesting, charcoal production and wood transport exploded overnight. Charcoal
production spread into previously protected forests. The expansion moved into new forests, flooding the market and keeping wood cheaper than alternatives such as
fuel oil. The devastation intensified in 1991, after Haiti's first democratically elected government was overthrown in a coup.

An international trade embargo later that year so ransacked Haiti's economy that peasants who could not afford seed or fertilizer turned to trees to survive. Some 65
million trees that the United States Agency for International Development had planted during the 1980s were chopped down for wood fuel.

In June 1994, the embargo was extended to include mangoes. For the first time, farmers turned their axes against fruit trees. Many peasants believe that mangoes
and other trees are homes to ancestral spirits. They also are important sources of folk medicine used to treat everything from diarrhea to lung infections.

"I recall going up to the top of a watershed at the height of the embargo, turning off the jeep, in an area that was well-planted and had always been left alone because
it was the area that had always collected water for the hydroelectric facility," recalled Currelly. "This was absolutely essential to maintain the water flow to maintain
electricity for the area. Nobody cut down trees there ever. And all you could hear was the tap-tap-tap-tap of trees being cut down all over the area.

"There are ups and downs in this economy. And every time there is a down[turn], trees get cut. Remember, the Haitian farmer is the greatest of environmentalists.
He knows precisely what he is doing. Like any of us, he will make the decision to feed his child today at the expense of the environment tomorrow. And if he didn't
he'd be a murderer."

[marcus300]

How interesting I never knew that

[chuckt12345]

a natural gas pipeline would help

[alexISthrowed]

I saw a tv show about how they do this in africa but there actually trying to stop it over there.

[Kratos]

I saw a tv show about how they do this in africa but there actually trying to stop it over there.

huge problem in Africa as well, and any attempt to stop it has been half assed. Africa is losing forest faster then anywhere in the world, mostly to charcoal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8272603.stm

[Kratos]

a natural gas pipeline would help

not likely, you'd have to subsidize it first of all
and it would not eliminate the use of charcoal

charcoal isn't the cheapest way to cook, it's just the way they do it...and that isn't likely to change until the trees are gone and they can't get anymore. If they wanted to save money kerosene would cost less. http://www.hedon.info/HaitisDomesticFuelProject

Adding to the problem is smuggling across the border from the dominican. Robbing the forests of the other side of the island.

[semperfi16]

They put their faith in voodoo, guess that aint working out so good for em.

[NVR2BIG1]

I'm sorry there were earthquakes over there, but we are going to spend billions of dollars helping Haiti, and guess what? It'll still be a shithole when we are done. Its not our fault that the people are slap damn retarded, everyone on this planet is born with a brain in their head and if they cant use it tough shit. There have been countless examples throughout history where people have had to rise and fight to improve situations in their country. Is there anything Haiti has done for the U.S. that was of any major significance? I'm sorry but I just dont see a win/win here. The U.S. just does way too much out of the goodness of our hearts shit, might as well just be welfare in another country. I know this post sounds awful, but when the **** will we ever take care of our own countries issues before anything else?

[Nicotine]

an atomic bomb would help.

we over extend our helping hand, IMO.....

[Mooseman33]

I'm sorry there were earthquakes over there, but we are going to spend billions of dollars helping Haiti, and guess what? It'll still be a shithole when we are done. Its not our fault that the people are slap damn retarded, everyone on this planet is born with a brain in their head and if they cant use it tough shit. There have been countless examples throughout history where people have had to rise and fight to improve situations in their country. Is there anything Haiti has done for the U.S. that was of any major significance? I'm sorry but I just dont see a win/win here. The U.S. just does way too much out of the goodness of our hearts shit, might as well just be welfare in another country. I know this post sounds awful, but when the **** will we ever take care of our own countries issues before anything else?

good post.

[Kratos]

I'm sorry there were earthquakes over there, but we are going to spend billions of dollars helping Haiti, and guess what? It'll still be a shithole when we are done. Its not our fault that the people are slap damn retarded, everyone on this planet is born with a brain in their head and if they cant use it tough shit. There have been countless examples throughout history where people have had to rise and fight to improve situations in their country. Is there anything Haiti has done for the U.S. that was of any major significance? I'm sorry but I just dont see a win/win here. The U.S. just does way too much out of the goodness of our hearts shit, might as well just be welfare in another country. I know this post sounds awful, but when the **** will we ever take care of our own countries issues before anything else?

Well, we completely built the country for them between the years of 1918-1934...from roads, to gvmt, to education. This was under a total occupation and at a huge expense.

from 1994-2003 the UN stabilized the gvmt and threw 4 billion at haiti.

we plant trees for them; as soon as they're big enough they become charcoal

now we're going to be able to fix all the problems? doubtful

I feel like we have a obligation to get them food, water, and medical care because they are fellow humans. Beyond that, building a nation or indefinate aid is not going to yeild results. It's like putting a bird feeder out...don't let it run out of food else the birds will die in the winter.

The more food and aid we send the higher the population of this nation climbs..and it's a population of illiterate, aids infested, unemployed, culturally lazy.

Our economy is headed in their direction if we don't turn our efforts inward.

[FranciscoG]

good post.

You know deep donw inside you are thinking the reason is the devil. If Pat said it, it is the law. His 50,000,000 self-claimed followers can´t be wrong.

[FranciscoG]

Well, we completely built the country for them between the years of 1918-1934...from roads, to gvmt, to education. This was under a total occupation and at a huge expense.

from 1994-2003 the UN stabilized the gvmt and threw 4 billion at haiti.

we plant trees for them; as soon as they're big enough they become charcoal

now we're going to be able to fix all the problems? doubtful

I feel like we have a obligation to get them food, water, and medical care because they are fellow humans. Beyond that, building a nation or indefinate aid is not going to yeild results. It's like putting a bird feeder out...don't let it run out of food else the birds will die in the winter.

The more food and aid we send the higher the population of this nation climbs..and it's a population of illiterate, aids infested, unemployed, culturally lazy.

Our economy is headed in their direction if we don't turn our efforts inward.

There was an African politician that stated AID only hurts a countries development.

Without people actually wanting to improve themselves, aid is not going to majically do it.