Last night at the bar PHATE BOJANGLES

**makod** · 03-13-2010, 11:12 PM

Ok was out at a club last-night with one of my mates. Out to have a good night not really out to pickup.

I was at the bar and a 9 was standing next to me. Usually i would start speaking to her straight away but i was talking to my mate and every time i would turn my head to face her she would look away from me.

She was in the line before me.

We both get to the bar at the same time, bartender goes to serve me and i pointed to her, she turns to me and says thanks, i nod my head.

She gets a drink for herself and 2 shots of jager. Shots in Sydney are $10ea. She puts one shot in-front of me, smiles, has her shot and walks off.

What do you make of this. Her own self validation? Girls in Sydney do not even take money out with them because they know guys will buy them drinks. This really blew my mind.

**JinNtonic** · 03-13-2010, 11:18 PM

Sounds like a cool chick.

**DOM6** · 03-13-2010, 11:35 PM

So she slide the shot over then you????????
Froze? got her number? than bought her 1?

**lovbyts** · 03-14-2010, 12:22 AM

Sounds like a missed opportunity.

**stevey_6t9** · 03-14-2010, 01:31 AM

what bar in syd was this?

dam girls never do that lol

**makod** · 03-14-2010, 01:49 AM

Star bar on George st. I didn't show it at the time but I was stunned. I'm 19yo 18%bf 5'8" 86kg. Nothing special and this glamour buys me a jagerbomb.

**calgarian** · 03-14-2010, 01:54 AM

and after thatu did try to talk to her?????good god man...

**makod** · 03-14-2010, 02:12 AM

She had her shot and walked off with a smile and I left it at that.

**calgarian** · 03-14-2010, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by makod

She had her shot and walked off with a smile and I left it at that.

could have walked behind her to say thankyou y u thinkshe bought u a shot because she was polite?

**rj90** · 03-14-2010, 03:00 AM

Bro definetly a missed oportunity. Should have went and spoke to her, sydney girls these days are not gonna buy u a drink just for being polite! u should head down to the ivy or establishment nicer girls man and plenty of milfs!! or even trademark thats picking up after dragonfly closed down!

**Hazard** · 03-14-2010, 09:57 AM

DEFINATELY a missed opportunity in my opinion.....

I wouldnt recommend following her after she walks away..... but I would make sure I was in her field of view throughout the night. I'd try and social proof a little..... walk around say hello to some people. Maybe engage in a convo with a group you don't intend on picking up..... If shes interested in you..... she'll see.

You actually have the upper hand..... this is one of those times where you can approach her without fear of the initial rejection. I would have approached her a little while later..... toss out a playful neg with a smile and then said thank-you for the shot. At this point if she laughs with you..... you can start mid game. Don't give her an interview and ask where she lives..... where she works..... be interesting.

Too bad you'll never know LOL.....

~Haz~

**energizer bunny** · 03-14-2010, 10:29 AM

EDIT double post

**energizer bunny** · 03-14-2010, 10:30 AM

yeah missed opurtunity mate.......you should of stuck it in her bot! JK........def should of started a convo or even bought her a shot back later to make conversation...never mind mate your 19 plenty of time for p u s s y!!

**MaNiCC** · 03-14-2010, 12:03 PM

surely its my turn for one of these opportunities soon

having sex with my right hand is starting to get a bit boring

**Nooomoto** · 03-14-2010, 12:51 PM

There's been a couple times when I've been having a good time in a bar on the beach and I end up buying shots for the entire bar (the places I go are expensive, but with very few people in them)...she couldve been just being nice. But it would've been worth a shot anyway.

**Bojangles69** · 03-14-2010, 03:07 PM

I would not have followed her that triggers a whole cat and mouse dynamic that could have killed any remote interest she had in you to begin.
Most of the time people do kind deeds to feel good about themselves, not just cause they care about the other person feeling good. Thats why when people do nice things for me I never take it as an invite to impose myself, its just not the best way to deal with things I've found.
After a situation like that you let her go, then reengage her entire group later. The proper way to do it is either pick off a person from her group or engage the whole group at a later time keeping in mind that shes the target and the one that you must ignore at first.

I would have "accidentally" met one of her friends, and ran game from that angle though. You run less chance of creating any resistance on her part, and you could have disqualified her properly which is what you really needed to do.

When you're talking to her friend (having a great time/being energetic/fun) you could have disqualified the target like "oh, hey I met your friend earlier, she was buying random men drinks and trying to pick them up" you could have laughed and gestured the friend/nontarget for an introduction.

that would have set the perfect dynamic for disqualification, then you could have ran a proper ACS working your way into A3/comfort. Again this really would have been all relatively painless if you just followed the model. I does't sound like you have an actual method or technique and thats most likely your first problem, but a typical m3 seduction would have sufficed and prob worked well if you had prior practice using it.

g/luck

**makod** · 03-14-2010, 05:07 PM

Your good bojangles. Your real good. I agree with you 100% but the stuff you mentioned is some indepth heavy shit that I haven't got to get. I'm still trying to work out the differences between gaming girls my age and girls a few years older.

There are some basics that need to be done to both I.e. Proper body language but I'm not sure whether to neg every girl. If I'm talking to a girl and she hot but really nice and showing interest - do I neg her?

**Diamond*K** · 03-14-2010, 06:18 PM

i buy guys drinks all the time.. wats the big deal....

last night went out (for the 1st time in moths) bought an old fling a beer for his bday.. then made out with 2 different guys LOL... mind u i preferred the old fling ..

u guys over analyze shit... lol

**FranciscoG** · 03-14-2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by diamond-krys

i buy guys drinks all the time.. wats the big deal....

last night went out (for the 1st time in moths) bought an old fling a beer for his bday.. then made out with 2 different guys LOL... mind u i preferred the old fling ..

u guys over analyze shit... lol

No shit.

Last night I explained in sign language, not real sign language just talking with my hands, to a Japanese girl that I wanted her to go home with me (I speak no japanese)...

101 thread in the lounge and I rarely ever read about any one going in for the kill, christ... Come on kids...

**makod** · 03-14-2010, 06:33 PM

I don't know about your city but for this to happen in Sydney City is a RARE occurence.

**Diamond*K** · 03-14-2010, 06:37 PM

want a real tip?

not every girl that does sumthin nice wants ur c*ck in her mouth.
the biatches that expect u 2 buy drinks all nite are more likely 2 fuk and leave.
or atleast fuk u over and leave....

**FranciscoG** · 03-14-2010, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by makod

I don't know about your city but for this to happen in Sydney City is a RARE occurence.

Cancun, Mexico.

Most EU women, latinas, eatern asian women, are quite aggressive.

In OZ it must not be so. I have never been to OZ so I do not know. But for the most part I would tell every young man to experience a two things in his life if he wants to see wild women.

1) Carnival in Brazil

2) Spring break in Quan. Roo, (the state which Cancun, Cozumel, Island of Women, Carmen.... ect....)

**Diamond*K** · 03-14-2010, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by makod

I don't know about your city but for this to happen in Sydney City is a RARE occurence.

ur just used to the girls u usually see in the bar scene.. trust me... lots of girls out there that are like that...
maybe just show it in a different way.

i buy guys lap dances and everything... really no biggie...

**makod** · 03-14-2010, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by diamond-krys

ur just used to the girls u usually see in the bar scene.. trust me... lots of girls out there that are like that...
maybe just show it in a different way.

i buy guys lap dances and everything... really no biggie...

Yeh there's no girls like you in Sydney.

The thing is girls in the city know that if they're good looking they can get away with anything. If you go into western Sydney the girls are totally different. Theres a different culture.

P.s. I would never buy a girl drinks to try get into her pants. And at the end of the night 90% of girls is Sydney will go home with the guy with the most money or drugs.

**Diamond*K** · 03-14-2010, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by makod

Yeh there's no girls like you in Sydney.

The thing is girls in the city know that if they're good looking they can get away with anything. If you go into western Sydney the girls are totally different. Theres a different culture.

P.s. I would never buy a girl drinks to try get into her pants. And at the end of the night 90% of girls is Sydney will go home with the guy with the most money or drugs.

thats shit. lol.

seriously.. i dont like it when guys buy me drinks... well i like it.. but i prefer 2 buy my own drinks. i dont wanna feel like i owe a guy anything, especially if i kno i dont wanna go home with him...

but i do like 2 by guys drinks... but im dumb that way mayb.. i like 2 spoil my friends/ bfs...

**calgarian** · 03-14-2010, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by diamond-krys

i buy guys drinks all the time.. wats the big deal....

last night went out (for the 1st time in moths) bought an old fling a beer for his bday.. then made out with 2 different guys LOL... mind u i preferred the old fling ..
u guys over analyze shit... lol

i be home soon honey

**calgarian** · 03-14-2010, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by MaNiCC

surely its my turn for one of these opportunities soon

having sex with my right hand is starting to get a bit boring

make sure u have 2 one to ride and second one to sit on ur face

**Bojangles69** · 03-15-2010, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by makod

Your good bojangles. Your real good. I agree with you 100% but the stuff you mentioned is some indepth heavy shit that I haven't got to get. I'm still trying to work out the differences between gaming girls my age and girls a few years older.

There are some basics that need to be done to both I.e. Proper body language but I'm not sure whether to neg every girl. If I'm talking to a girl and she hot but really nice and showing interest - do I neg her?

No you do NOT need to neg every girl. But if you ever want to stop getting lucky, and understand what womans real weak points are, I recommend you do it in every situation. But rather then focus on the word "neg" focus on disqualifying her, its just more relavant to the actual behavoir imo (while neggn a lot of times is overdone just by its negative connotation)
Negs should work the same, but the main concept is to drop her resistance. This doesn't automatically convert to sex obviously, but if you had the chance to go into a situation and face resistance, or go into a situation and not face resistance, which would you choose?

You're not insulting them you're merely demonstrating they have no mate potential at all to you. And there really is a lot of sly ways to do it, even sometimes almost sounding like a compliment. Like you can tell a girl that most guys would like a certain aspect of her personality, (maybe she snorts when she laughs who knows) but then you can casually mention thats why you also broke up with your ex, whatever works.
Again, guys are too focused on giving women positive emotions when positive emotions just realistically arent what converts to sex. You are not responsible for her to be happy. You WANT sexual tension, you NEED it, and sexual tension is the byproduct of 2 social status's reacting to each other, just think of it that way. Someone you like will always have the control to irritate you just because you like them. Thats why negative emotions are equally just as important as positive ones when you're seducing. Embarassment and akwardness can always be made to work in your favor too, there are a multitude of benefits just to thinking with this mindset.
Disqualifying raises your status (perceptually) which literally will trigger a biological urge in a lot of women to mate. Because evolution drives women to the highest status male one can maintain relations with, and disqualification defines 2 status's as unequal, it sets the bar for the entire interaction. You NEED that lack of balance or it will be hard to progess forward.
So falsey disqualify her. But then you need to learn how to use DHV spikes to attract her. NEVER TELL a woman "I am __x___" actively DO something or TELL a story that demonstrates you having x.
You can say "I am extremely confident" but great, you're braggin, thats not a DHV spike.
A DHV spike (usually is always relevant to the actual conversation in some way) would be you simply acting confident. And that DOES come down a lot to bodylanguage, but you should have ways of doing it verbally as well, telling stories is the best.

"my exs brakes gave out once and i took the seat and drove the car into a ditch so we didn't drive into oncoming traffic it was crazy" (maybe she needs to get her brakes done and brought it up, obviously use w/e works) it doesn't sound like braggin it sounds like a cool story that happened once where you were confident. THATS a DHV spike, it should be covert and understood, not bold and forced/contrived.

But the idea is to disqualify her first, qualify yourself next, then bait her to qualify back. (so whaddu do for a living? don't be impressed if it geniunely doesn't impress you, show her its not a big deal then fish for another qualification that works for you, it MUST be genuine) At this point is where the real magic works, because EVEN IF a woman wasn't interested to begin, the fact that you have drove her into a dynamic where SHE IS TRYING TO IMPRESS YOU with words, or qualify to you, means that it will FEEL to her like she is interested in you.
Same way you can be totally uninterested in a food if someone mentions it, then you smell it, your mind tells you "hmm" and then you convince yourself you want it. Doing it this way creates an infinite ways of getting "in" to her mind so you can properly escalate to comfort.

I see it happen all the time especially after you have sex and they start saying shit like "I usually never sleep with guys like you". That just means you didn't really hook them till they began qualifying themselves. They don't usually sleep with guys like you but now they will lol.
And comfort is a whole nother story, but it does come more natural I find the closer you get to seduction, till you start doing freeze outs and shit. (stopping a seduction after its gone physical)

Ideally if you don't wanna focus on steps I can tell you like this. The best thing about knowing the model is the SECOND you fail at anything you know why.
Because the model always works in the order it was designed. If a girl is NOT qualifying herself to me I know I didn't properly qualify myself to begin. If a girl is trying to evade me from the second I opened her I know I never properly disqualified her because that resistance shouldn't be there. If I'm trying to isolate in later stages, and shes not doing it, I know I didn't properly run comfort. Anytime you hit a wall, you back up and redo the previous step. You're not being some cocky arrogant asshole, you are showing a woman you have qualities woman want. You are showing a woman because you have those qualities, she must show you qualities in return to win you over.

If you don't make a woman work for it in A3 and you somehow make it through that stage you will encounter a lot of buyers remorse after the close. And you'll wind up with women flaking after the first interaction no matter how it ends (number exchange/sex etc). That woman at the bar, if it wasn't the place for a conversation you had no possibility but to let her go (if people were between you and all, there are ways of shout seducing and getting her to come to you lol but for your own sake be easy on yourself, especially if you're new). If she was right next to you then you could have just said "thanks.. but I hope this doesn't mean I have to go home with you now", and say it dead serious. You use a topic to keep the words flowing, but you flood the topic with everything I said. DHV spikes, disqualifications, befriend her group, establish trust, never have her thinking "this guy will not leave no matter what I say".
Thats another important thing.
Women will test you a lot by saying shit like "I haven't had sex for 3 months or you're not my type". They both may mean totally different things yet they are both very much shit tests.

For the first you say: "thats a shame, you must suck at it" (99% of guys would start humping them at this point)
for the second you laugh hysterically and act relieved, then immediately start a conversation with their friend being nice to them. Say things to them (their friend) like "so... your friend over here... she doesn't get out much does she?".

Seduction is great bro it really is. The one thing I really learned from it was how fvckn sadly on autopilot peoples behavoir really is. Even when people WANT to act different they CAN'T because they simply don't know other ways to behave. You really start to realize how programmed we all are. Even I fall for the shit a lot when I'm not actively doing it. And lastly, what a woman says and what a woman feels are usually never the same. So the last thing you ever want to do is ask a woman for advice. I hate to say it but its true. Seduction is so largely based on reducing and overcoming resistance that it makes it near impossible for a woman to ever directly convey what turns her on. Because its having the power to plow through all the resistance that really gets her going. A smart man once said "attraction is about a woman putting up a wall of resistance and having you overcome it", whether they realize it or not, they are judging you on very common sexual characteristics. The stronger you seem to have them, the greater the attraction.

This system was based on nothing but what converts the most to sex. And I've had one girl who smacked me 10 seconds into meeting her blowing me 2 hours later. Your eyes will open to a whole new world of understanding and whats possible with women if you even semi-remotely got this shit down. Women really make it easy enough for you. All so many men are interested in is ass and tits, if you don't have either or, you're finished reproductively speaking as a female.
But all women really crave is an experience, a tense emotional state that drives them to drop all their resistance. It really is much easier imo to create a stimulating emotional state then it is to look like a fvckn 90lb manakin. Once you know how to do it can take 5 mins, while the latter some women fight for their whole lifetime and still fail at. I do believe men have it much easier. If anything lie to yourself and you'll believe it, then start acting like its easier. The mind is a real amazing piece of work imo. But like anything else based on patterns and routine, there is usually a good strategy for success. G/luck and never be afraid to ask questions in the future.

**makod** · 03-15-2010, 08:12 AM

I cant belive what your wrote above.

I was out with a girl and she said to me "I haven't had sex for 3 months".

I just changed the subject but why did she say it?

**Mr.Rose** · 03-16-2010, 01:57 AM

makod i lost all respect for you, you went to star bar and not kings cross. tisk tisk.

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there are no good clubs on george, sometimes i hit ivy's VIP pool area when my connections can get me in, otherwise its the cross for me. Sometimes home and chinese laundry.

**Mr.Rose** · 03-16-2010, 02:16 AM

ps bojangles, you rule. haha.

If you have time can you finish your PU thread.

**makod** · 03-16-2010, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

makod i lost all respect for you, you went to star bar and not kings cross. tisk tisk.

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there are no good clubs on george, sometimes i hit ivy's VIP pool area when my connections can get me in, otherwise its the cross for me. Sometimes home and chinese laundry.

Low on cash bro star bar has $3.50 drinks!

I did go Chinese laundry the other night and that was pretty good - I nearly picked up the bargirl lol.

**Mr.Rose** · 03-16-2010, 02:42 AM

haha, yeh pavilion has $3 drinks, good for only that, get drinks then leave, haha.

Those bargirls are hooooot man, give em extra tips n they love you, haha.

dragonfly used to be the best before the new owner got it. Now its closed. Cant wait for the new one, its gonna be called firefly. haha.

**makod** · 03-16-2010, 03:13 AM

At Chinese I tipped her 5c lol. This is what i did. Walked up to her and wouldn't take my eyes off her. Looking real deep into her eyes. Told her what drink i wanted and kept looking at her - she touched her hair. she gives me the drink, gives me the tip plate with $1.05 - I take my dollar and leave 5c.

30 mins later I go up again same thing, im looking deep into her eyes, i order the same drink. Shes making the drink - she drops the glass and all the ice. I go "whats wrong" she goes "you make me nervous." I go why? she goes "i don't know there's something about you." This was early like 8-9 so i could speak to her but by the time i went for the next drink the place was packed and you couldn't hear a thing. Eye contact goes along way.

firefly lololol why did it close?

**Hazard** · 03-16-2010, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by makod

At Chinese I tipped her 5c lol. This is what i did. Walked up to her and wouldn't take my eyes off her. Looking real deep into her eyes. Told her what drink i wanted and kept looking at her - she touched her hair. she gives me the drink, gives me the tip plate with $1.05 - I take my dollar and leave 5c.

30 mins later I go up again same thing, im looking deep into her eyes, i order the same drink. Shes making the drink - she drops the glass and all the ice. I go "whats wrong" she goes "you make me nervous." I go why? she goes "i don't know there's something about you." This was early like 8-9 so i could speak to her but by the time i went for the next drink the place was packed and you couldn't hear a thing. Eye contact goes along way.

firefly lololol why did it close?

It can also make you a "creeper" if you doing it weird LOL.....

~Haz~

**DOM6** · 03-16-2010, 07:14 AM

your 19? you can drink in bars at that age? or fake id?

**Mr.Rose** · 03-16-2010, 08:56 AM

hahaha nice man.

. But yeh like haz said it can make you creepy if yah dun do it right. But i got to saw, 5c, your not a jew at all. hahahaha.

. It closed down because, not to sound racist, a new lebonese man bought the club, and that attracted a lto of lebenese youth, which made everyone else leave, and then buisness dropped, so he soled it back to john ibriham (who OWNS the cross, he own 19 clubs or so and is like the biggest crime gang leader. he owns the cross, full stop. )

Yeh DOM6, here in aus the drinking age is 18, so we have that over you yanks.

. But for my 21st im hitting vagas, i see no point going to america before im 21. Are all states 21????

**Hazard** · 03-16-2010, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Rose

hahaha nice man.

. But yeh like haz said it can make you creepy if yah dun do it right. But i got to saw, 5c, your not a jew at all. hahahaha.

. It closed down because, not to sound racist, a new lebonese man bought the club, and that attracted a lto of lebenese youth, which made everyone else leave, and then buisness dropped, so he soled it back to john ibriham (who OWNS the cross, he own 19 clubs or so and is like the biggest crime gang leader. he owns the cross, full stop. )

Yeh DOM6, here in aus the drinking age is 18, so we have that over you yanks.

. But for my 21st im hitting vagas, i see no point going to america before im 21. Are all states 21????

Here's what our government said.....

They left it to the states to decide on their own drinking age..... HOWEVER..... the states that make their legal drinking age under 21 years of age wont receive federal funding from the government.

So yes..... currently all states have a minimum age of 21 to drink.....

~Haz~

**Hard.On** · 03-16-2010, 09:44 AM

should have chased down that tail

I love a challenge

**makod** · 03-16-2010, 04:44 PM

Ibrahim is leb also. I wouldn't be suprised if he was getting extorted left right and centre and it was just too much for him. Then Ibrahim comes along and gives him a decent price and expands his monopoly.

I've always thought of buying a club or a bar but if it's not the bikies you got to deal with it's the lebs!

---I'm getting the look perfected- I was at a party with this chick that I already knew and she was sitting across the table from me. We left the party together and she says "why were you looking at me like you want to fvck me?" to which I didn't know how to reply...