You can build a very good fundation before using steroids

[yannick35]

I started training when i was 13 years old like most of you i am sure with my Weider leather bench and some plastic weights.

I joined my first gym when i was 16 years old and i then realized that i wasted 3 years in my basement of training doing chest almost 7 days a week and not knowing what i was doing at all.

There i met one of my high school buddies and we train for a while together. We where both 5 feet 10 and around 145 pounds.

We lost touch and when i was 19 years old i went to study plumbing school where i met this older bodybuilder older LOL i am is age now 38. I remember being depress that night at supper time, by that time i was 5 feet 10 that did not change and i was able to build my body to 160 pounds, not bad 15 pounds natural in 3 years of training. He showed me how to eat go gain mass and build my body bigger. That year i made the most improvement in my body in a year and a half i went from 160 to 188 pounds, eating 6 times per day and training with compound exercises. 28 pounds, of course not all of it was muscles but i had only gained 2 inches of my waist which was acceptable going from 32 to 34 inches.

By the time i reach 21 years old i was a solid 204 pounds, my waist was 36 inches at that time, i met my old high school buddy in a gym, and guess what he looked amazing, 21 years old but the problem was he did steroids and had been doing them since he was 18. He was cut up and massive like almost like in the magazines. I was very impressed and this was the first time i wanted to use steroids.

He must have been around 210 pounds. We train at the gym for around 6 months, and i got to see what the after cycle looked like, i was quit amazed that he lost almost all is gains in less then a month, by that time he stopped the tanning beds and was training in a big sweat shirt, i got to see him shirtless in the shower and he must have weighted around 180 pounds smooth. That really strucked me. He then said he was going on another cycle soon after he just finished is PCT and he said he could not bare to look like this.

By the time i turned 28 we saw each other again in another gym at that time my bodyweight was 220 pounds and i was about to do my first steroid cycle, i was a solid 220 pounds my arms where 17 inches and yes my waist was 37 inches but still not that bad. I started training and he came to me and asked what are you on man, your arms are so big?????? i told him nothing in fact i was thinking of doing my first cycle this year, this is where he freaked out, nothing how come i could never get that big??? this is where i told him, you never took the time to build your foundation. You have always used steroids to get to where you wanted to be but after cycle you lost almost if not all your gains.

I have included 2 pics of myself when i was 34 i was 231 pounds then but i was bulking up and another of me at 36 when i was cutting down at 200 pounds my waist was 34 inches then.

I did my steroid cycle at 29 deca and test e with winstrol V and PCT and never touched the stuff again, i had gained some amazing mass went from 220 pounds to around 240 but i was way to big and not feeling good, i dieted down to 210 that year.

People should take the time to build there foundation if not at least 5 years maybe 10 or like me close to 15 years of natural training.

Notice that my physique is not as impressive as someone who is used to steroids, but i am proud of what i have accomplished and it keeps getting better, for a 38 year old. Considering i was so skinny when i was a teenager and never really had a big frame.

[SEAviator]

really nice story man serious

you just gave me some extra motivation to keep waiting

I agree with what you said, so true.... Lawl at your friend, I know some people like that.. always juicing at 17 and thinking theyre a big deal..

but for me, its not as much about age of training and stuff.. its about how I look

in other words.. The time where I will start using steroids is not dependant on age, but on how I look..

I want to get to minimum 190 ripped to the bone before cycling.. people may say 190 is too little, and 200 is too easy, well for someone who has really small bones 190 is a lot....

Jim Cordova weighs 165-170 lbs at contest at 5'7

[FranciscoG]

How do you plan on keeping your quality of life in your 40s without using?

[terraj]

How do you plan on keeping your quality of life in your 40s without using?

Blanket statement.

[DSM4Life]

really nice story man serious

you just gave me some extra motivation to keep waiting

I agree with what you said, so true.... Lawl at your friend, I know some people like that.. always juicing at 17 and thinking theyre a big deal..

but for me, its not as much about age of training and stuff.. its about how I look

in other words.. The time where I will start using steroids is not dependant on age, but on how I look..

I want to get to minimum 190 ripped to the bone before cycling.. people may say 190 is too little, and 200 is too easy, well for someone who has really small bones 190 is a lot....

Jim Cordova weighs 165-170 lbs at contest at 5'7

Who is the tool, middle rear, who looks like he slammed his face into a mud pie?

[SEAviator]

yea hes the one in the middle...

Edit just saw the guy in the middle back hahahahaah

hes in the middle front

[SEAviator]

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[yannick35]

Guys i am too young for TRT when the times comes my sport doctor will prescribe me some Test E, but right now i am good.

I am not against steroids, i just wish people would build there foundation first and then when you have reached your genetic potential you can start using steroids, using mean getting as much info as you can before starting a cycle, and doing a proper PCT at the end.

I was lucky for that that my genetic allowed such a skinny pencil neck like me, i remember back in 1991 when the guy at World Gym build my program, he took some measurements of me in boxers, man how embarrassed do you think i was standing next to this giant of 6 feet and close to 260 pounds. I remember theses awful measurements and how after this i tough of quitting weight training for good. I was 18 been training for 2 years i weighed around 160 pounds, my legs where 20 inches, my arms flexed where 13 1/2, my waist was very small at that time 31 inches.

Sadly i also believe that being very ripped is all part of genetics, genetics that i do not have, i tried all kinds of diet, cardio routines, and more and to be honest even when i was a skinny bag of bones, i never seen my abs. So i sort of gave up on going for perfection and trying to keep a small BF%, for me that is around 15%.

[jbran23]

I was much like you Yannick. I was 140 lbs when I graduated highschool at 5'11". I HATED being skinny. I have dabbled in Andro and PH's a couple times but never fully turned to the dark side. I think the hardest part of training clean is setting realistic goals. I want to look like Arnold and be huge and ripped with veins popping out everywhere and walk around with a pump 24-7 but eventually you just have to be happy to see where you have come from and realize how much you have achieved. I have to keep things in perspective often with myself because I have a bad self image to begin with but to come from 140lbs to 190lbs was alot of hard work. Sometimes people just need to step back and look at the bigger picture that this is a journey, not a sprint. Changes are not going to come overnight naturally but if you are dedicated and stick with it you can achieve some amazing things.

[dec11]

Who is the tool, middle rear, who looks like he slammed his face into a mud pie?

lol, he looks like a minstrel

[MR-FQ320]

pmsl @ mud pie

[lovbyts]

Who is the tool, middle rear, who looks like he slammed his face into a mud pie?

WTF why would someone get on stage like that. Do they think no one will notice? hahahahaha

[yannick35]

I was much like you Yannick. I was 140 lbs when I graduated highschool at 5'11". I HATED being skinny. I have dabbled in Andro and PH's a couple times but never fully turned to the dark side. I think the hardest part of training clean is setting realistic goals. I want to look like Arnold and be huge and ripped with veins popping out everywhere and walk around with a pump 24-7 but eventually you just have to be happy to see where you have come from and realize how much you have achieved. I have to keep things in perspective often with myself because I have a bad self image to begin with but to come from 140lbs to 190lbs was alot of hard work. Sometimes people just need to step back and look at the bigger picture that this is a journey, not a sprint. Changes are not going to come overnight naturally but if you are dedicated and stick with it you can achieve some amazing things.

Yes that is why genetics play a big part of how you will look without drugs, its sad, and i did have the same goals as you did, when i first started lifting weights at 13 i tough that i would look like Arnold in less then a month LOL no more getting bullied, no more yuke who is that pimpled face pencil neck each time i would ask a girl out..... and would be famous, sadly life is not that easy, and training is not that easy either.

For me i am glad of what i accomplished so far, i have seen bigger guys with better genetics train naturally and looks a million times better then me, sadly i don't have there bone structure or genetics so i have to do with what was given to me.

Its quit sad because what we are showed in bodybuilding magazines and even other fitness events mens magazine and all are mostly bodies that are attainable with good genetics, what the magazines don't tell you is that they only look like this a few weeks per year.

I was glad to experience with low carb diets, CKD, and realize that the biggest myth of all if you don't need carbs, anyone that lift weights and is serious about having energy to get true the workout need carbs.

[energizer bunny]

Yes that is why genetics play a big part of how you will look without drugs, its sad, and i did have the same goals as you did, when i first started lifting weights at 13 i tough that i would look like Arnold in less then a month LOL no more getting bullied, no more yuke who is that pimpled face pencil neck each time i would ask a girl out..... and would be famous, sadly life is not that easy, and training is not that easy either.

For me i am glad of what i accomplished so far, i have seen bigger guys with better genetics train naturally and looks a million times better then me, sadly i don't have there bone structure or genetics so i have to do with what was given to me.

Its quit sad because what we are showed in bodybuilding magazines and even other fitness events mens magazine and all are mostly bodies that are attainable with good genetics, what the magazines don't tell you is that they only look like this a few weeks per year.

I was glad to experience with low carb diets, CKD, and realize that the biggest myth of all if you don't need carbs, anyone that lift weights and is serious about having energy to get true the workout need carbs.

not trying to argue but i have to disagree,,,,,,,i did a ckd and trained with just as much intensity as a normal eating plan,,,,,

[yannick35]

CKD means you carb up on weekends so you get your carbs, atkins you dont. Again some get used to ketosis some like me just dont