My problem with this board....

[CMB]

Now this board has tons of great advice and information, that much is certain. But there is one thing that I've noticed....


Every time somebody posts a problem or dilemma they are having with results/gear or just about any other subject, there are 15 people saying that their diet sucks, their workout sucks, they have no business touching gear, ect. And OP doesn't even include their diet but people still say that it sucks. How do you know? Maybe he doesn't have the time or money or the other 1000000 reasons why he can't have a bodybuilding diet at the time.

For instance some people just want to know how to fix a problem or how to mitigate whatever it is. But instead everyone just has to give the other guy shit about something. This isn't true in all cases, but from the last 6 threads I've been following it is.

Just sayin.... I like this board alot but this is the only thing that I disapprove of.

[CMB]

*and on another side note it causes people to lie about there stats, from what I've seen around here.

[stevey_6t9]

you seem a little frustrated, you need to improve your diet.

[CMB]

you seem a little frustrated, you need to improve your diet.

^^^ SEE!

Lol jk

[LGM]

I don't think the message is wrong; I think some could improve their tact. But then again, neither you or I are the ones specifically answering thousands of threads from those under 25, who are 6'0" and 160 talking about taking gear. They don't have to post their diet for someone to see it sucks; someone with the above mentioned stats 99% of the time eat like crap. It's like they own a ferrari, and want to know what type of NOS to install when they use the wrong gas and never change their oil.

And lets face it; If they are buying gear, they have enough money to buy the food they need to improve their diet.

[bjpennnn]

we say this becuase they are 5-10 less then 165 soooo their diet sucks.

[t-gunz]

i see where you are coming from OP.

unfortunately there are a lot of parrots on the board. so they just repeat what they see others post.

but do have to say that most do have shitty diets and after all diet is most important.

[TopDogUK]

I agree, People are to quick to start ripping into someone, A lot of the people looking for help are going to do AAS no matter what, so i think its better to give them advice and keep them safe.

Some guy put "Im going to do this anyway bla bla bla"

Well my view would be to give him the advice he was asking for but also say why hes not ready (if you can tell), I know the people who take the "im going to do it anyway" attitude are idiots but we should try and keep them safe as they are only going to give AAS a bad name when and if they F-Up.

[lovbyts]

OK first thing first.

Stats?
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat
DIET?????
Workout experience
How long working out consistently 4-5x a week

OK now back to your question; You sound slightly irritable. Are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Maybe you are constipated?

One of your points was maybe they cant have a body builders diet? If not then they should NOT consider using gear.

What's the use of putting 120 octane gas into a 1970 stock Vega? You will just burn holes in the pistons and it wont go very fast. Now if you have a V8 vega with 12/1 pistons, Crane comp cam, Holly 750 double pumper etc the 120 octane gas is going to do a LOT more good than running low octane gas.

Everyone has an excuse and everyone thinks they are the exception to the rule. All the hard gainers have small bones, hyper metabolism and not matter what they eat they just CANT gain weight. Only problem is all they eat is junk and empty calories ones the truth comes out.... I know, I was one of them. If I would have had 1/2 a clue in my 20s I could have easily gained 40+ lbs of solid muscle but instead I was a skinny fvck most of my 20s and NO, I did not turn to gear.

Sorry if you are tired of hearing about diet but it has been proven over and over and over that diet is the key. ALL natural BB will contest to that and any of the AAS users who have learned how to use gear and maintain the gains.

[lovbyts]

I agree, People are to quick to start ripping into someone, A lot of the people looking for help are going to do AAS no matter what, so i think its better to give them advice and keep them safe.

Some guy put "Im going to do this anyway bla bla bla"

Well my view would be to give him the advice he was asking for but also say why hes not ready (if you can tell), I know the people who take the "im going to do it anyway" attitude are idiots but we should try and keep them safe as they are only going to give AAS a bad name when and if they F-Up.

That's an oxymoron. The proper advise to keep them safe would be NOT to use in most cases even if they have their mind set on doing it. Try using the same logic for someone wanting to know the SAFEST way to ???? you fill in the black with something that is illegal or potentially and probably dangerous. Do you still tell them or do you do the smart thing and say NO, I will not be party to you doing the wrong thing?

If you think it's unsafe, unwise or potentially hazardous for someone to do something it's best to just say NO.

If that is your standing that you WOULD give them what they are looking for then you may find yourself an ex member sooner than later like many have before you. That thinking is not tolerated very well around here with most mods. Good luck.

[TopDogUK]

I do agree with just saying NO but there are the morons who are going to do it no matter what.

I have seen members posting links to help threads, i think that is the best way to deal with them just say, Save the gear, Do the research then start when you know your shit.

Thread should be closed at that. Not much point in people carrying it on cause like T-gunz said people are just parrots and jump straight on the bus so they look smart.

[dec11]

well if someone cant have a bodybuilding diet then how the hell can they expect BB results. truth is, no diet=wasted gear. thats why they get told this

[dec11]

OK first thing first.

Stats?
Age
Height
Weight
Body fat
DIET?????
Workout experience
How long working out consistently 4-5x a week

OK now back to your question; You sound slightly irritable. Are you getting enough fiber in your diet? Maybe you are constipated?

One of your points was maybe they cant have a body builders diet? If not then they should NOT consider using gear.

What's the use of putting 120 octane gas into a 1970 stock Vega? You will just burn holes in the pistons and it wont go very fast. Now if you have a V8 vega with 12/1 pistons, Crane comp cam, Holly 750 double pumper etc the 120 octane gas is going to do a LOT more good than running low octane gas.

Everyone has an excuse and everyone thinks they are the exception to the rule. All the hard gainers have small bones, hyper metabolism and not matter what they eat they just CANT gain weight. Only problem is all they eat is junk and empty calories ones the truth comes out.... I know, I was one of them. If I would have had 1/2 a clue in my 20s I could have easily gained 40+ lbs of solid muscle but instead I was a skinny fvck most of my 20s and NO, I did not turn to gear.

Sorry if you are tired of hearing about diet but it has been proven over and over and over that diet is the key. ALL natural BB will contest to that and any of the AAS users who have learned how to use gear and maintain the gains.

same as, i'd of done alot more in plifting had i knew what i know now about diet

[SlimmerMe]

I do agree with just saying NO but there are the morons who are going to do it no matter what.

I have seen members posting links to help threads, i think that is the best way to deal with them just say, Save the gear, Do the research then start when you know your shit.

Thread should be closed at that. Not much point in people carrying it on cause like T-gunz said people are just parrots and jump straight on the bus so they look smart.

Closing a thread stops the dialogue...repetition is how someone learns. If a young buck hears from many members with many different approaches and reasons to not juice yet... and ONE POINT gets thru to his thick skull, then it is worth every single post.. I have seen some stubborn ones FINALLY GET IT!...

I think some actually come here to hear "no" to help back up what they know is wrong deep down in their gut...they know they are too young...they even admit it many times... so to help provide them with some good talking points, actually helps them at the gym with peer pressure...so they can ignore the gym pushers with hard cold facts!

[SlimmerMe]

double post..opps!

[Knockout_Power]

How do you know? Maybe he doesn't have the time or money or the other 1000000 reasons why he can't have a bodybuilding diet at the time.

I dont want to make light of what you are saying, but this comment does bug me a little as I hear it a lot. If you make the choice to start injecting yourself with anabolics you better for damn sure be serious enough that things like finances do not hold you back from doing it properly... budget cycling (while I know it is expensive) is a horrible idea and causes a lot of problems. Pay to play or sit in the stands... just my $0.02

[olderfella]

Maybe the guys giving out the advice should put a picture of themselves on holding a daily paper so we know the pics are real and explain what they have achieved by getting their diet and gear in order so the people asking the questions can see that the guys giving out the advice are not just armchair critics

[Swifto]

80% of possible user's do not have their diets in order IMHO.

Diet is some important. Yeah, LBM will increase, strength will go up and FM will be reduced when using androgens, even in an untrained state, but diet is key.

The truth is, if your diet isnt on point you wont keep the majority of your gains.

Its up to the advice giver (staff more so) about what and which advice to give to those not fitting the requirements IMHO.

I advise underage possible user's NOT to use androgens that increase estrogen or interact with the estrogen receptor as estrogen is responsible for epiphyseal growth plate closure.

[Swifto]

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[olderfella]

I believe you swifto you only had to tell us once lol,your advice is sound the point i was trying to make was that if people can see the guys giving out the advice they will hopefully take more notice, a picture has the same effect as a smack in the mouth its worth a thousand words

[Swifto]

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[Swifto]

It kept saying "gateway time out 504", so f*ck knows.

[Knockout_Power]

I believe you swifto you only had to tell us once lol,your advice is sound the point i was trying to make was that if people can see the guys giving out the advice they will hopefully take more notice, a picture has the same effect as a smack in the mouth its worth a thousand words

this is why I post my pic... Im not the most knowledgable about the anabolics game, but I adhere to a low dose regime and it has got me where I am...

I agree 100% with swifto... I know some huge guys who look like they have the right gameplan, but when you see how much gear they are taking to compensate for a poor diet you have to wonder why not just get that last aspect of cycling down and do it more efficiently. Its like buying a V8 and plugging the right exhaust bank and then slapping some turbo's on the left side that does work and push it extra hard instead of just using the entire system to its potential... stupid analogy, but the point is made.

[CMB]

Agreed obviously diet is a HUGE part of it.

But just on this one thread I just read he was complaining about how his first cycle didn't get him where he wanted as far as strength goes.

5 people responded. All 5 said the same thing. DIET, DIET, DIET (in a nut shell).

Now maybe his diet was off (probably was) but the thing is he only gained 5lbs on his bench in a 7 week cycle of test prop? Hmmm, I'd say its alot more than just diet. Like maybe his gear is fake or terribly under dosed.

But no, everyone went straight to his diet.

[HitIt]

you are what you eat

[boz]

i see where you are coming from OP.

unfortunately there are a lot of parrots on the board. so they just repeat what they see others post.

but do have to say that most do have shitty diets and after all diet is most important.

That or there just post whores, lol.

[Hoggage_54]

Agreed obviously diet is a HUGE part of it.

But just on this one thread I just read he was complaining about how his first cycle didn't get him where he wanted as far as strength goes.

5 people responded. All 5 said the same thing. DIET, DIET, DIET (in a nut shell).

Now maybe his diet was off (probably was) but the thing is he only gained 5lbs on his bench in a 7 week cycle of test prop? Hmmm, I'd say its alot more than just diet. Like maybe his gear is fake or terribly under dosed.

But no, everyone went straight to his diet.

Diet

[MaNiCC]

I believe you swifto you only had to tell us once lol,your advice is sound the point i was trying to make was that if people can see the guys giving out the advice they will hopefully take more notice, a picture has the same effect as a smack in the mouth its worth a thousand words

100% agree.

To the OP, you are suffering from textbook roid rage, stop all gear immediately and seek a medical professional

[Hazard]

The reason I wont give advice to someone EVENTHOUGH they'll do their cycle anyway is because I choose to not take part in someones failure. If I don't think they are ready or they could potentially end up hurt - i'm not going to tell them how to "skate by" with the cycle. Not only that..... but if every joe shmo see's us giving advice just because someone said they'll doit anyways..... then we'll have 10,000 guys saying "advise me or i'll doit anyways"

~Haz~

[Shinalynn]

Agreed obviously diet is a HUGE part of it.

But just on this one thread I just read he was complaining about how his first cycle didn't get him where he wanted as far as strength goes.

5 people responded. All 5 said the same thing. DIET, DIET, DIET (in a nut shell).

Now maybe his diet was off (probably was) but the thing is he only gained 5lbs on his bench in a 7 week cycle of test prop? Hmmm, I'd say its alot more than just diet. Like maybe his gear is fake or terribly under dosed.

But no, everyone went straight to his diet.

I guess you dont get that with a proper diet and work out, some people don't need aas...like in KP situation not alot.. Did the PP say what is diet is, or what his dose is? The logical thing to think would be diet, that is why all 5 said diet.

Its like money, you can make millions a year, and still be broke, its what you do with your money that gets you gains. If you blow it on stupid stuff you will have nothing to show, but if you invest and take care of it, soon enough everyone will be able to see the results, and the results will stay with you as long as you take care of it.

[CMB]

It took me YEARS to get my diet down and my gains have been immense. Diet is WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. This much is clear.

But I'm just trying to give the answers people seek. If they have a problem with their diet by all means let's get it straightened out. But if you think something is up with you gear, then we should solve that problem too.

[Dont wanna be old]

It took me YEARS to get my diet down and my gains have been immense. Diet is WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. This much is clear.

But I'm just trying to give the answers people seek. If they have a problem with their diet by all means let's get it straightened out. But if you think something is up with you gear, then we should solve that problem too.

Genetics is first . Then there's everyone else with the diet .
Peace

[HawaiianPride.]

It took me YEARS to get my diet down and my gains have been immense. Diet is WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. This much is clear.

But I'm just trying to give the answers people seek. If they have a problem with their diet by all means let's get it straightened out. But if you think something is up with you gear, then we should solve that problem too.

It obviously isn't clear in this post...

Not saying there aren't, but 20 pounds can be acheived EASILY by anyone regardless of diet with 60mgs of var. What am I stating that is incorrect? This guy is asking for steroid advice, NOT diet and workout advice. I'm simply trying to give him the answer to the question he asked unlike you who just likes to parrot every other person on this board. If the OP wants a diet please pm me we can get started on creating one for you no problem. But for now, ill just advise the question at hand.

[DSM4Life]

Eat more pickles.

[Hazard]

Eat more pickles.

^^^^ Agreed!

Pickles actually take more calories to digest than they contain! I don't like pickles tho so i'll stay fat.....

~Haz~

[MACHINE5150]

we say this becuase they are 5-10 less then 165 soooo their diet sucks.

This is true

Plus the "then they lie about thier age" theory is quite bakwards, because for every person who posts on this board there are 5-10 people just reading and not saying anything.. and we want them to read the correct advice..

If you are 5'10" you should be able to weigh 190-200 with a 12% BF naturally.. which takes a couple years.. and you should never do steroids unless you know how to eat.. No point in getting a Hemi if you don't know how to drive right???

[dec11]

Agreed obviously diet is a HUGE part of it.

But just on this one thread I just read he was complaining about how his first cycle didn't get him where he wanted as far as strength goes.

5 people responded. All 5 said the same thing. DIET, DIET, DIET (in a nut shell).

Now maybe his diet was off (probably was) but the thing is he only gained 5lbs on his bench in a 7 week cycle of test prop? Hmmm, I'd say its alot more than just diet. Like maybe his gear is fake or terribly under dosed.

But no, everyone went straight to his diet.

BS, i for one mentioned the fact his gear could be bunk, you made a dick out of yourself on that thread and now your struggling to compensate. if ppl giving proper advice bugs you so much, why bother logging in, plenty of inferior forums out there for you

[calgarian]

screw all these guys they know what they are talking abt...i give you some advise that u will love. start using AAS any AAS screw workout sit in front of TV and masturbate all day oh and you can eat all u ant. if AAS doesnt make you muscular it should make you dumb.

[Reed]

You gotta crawl before you walk not walk before you crawl..... Thing is most if not all the time their diet is shit, they need to learn the basics first. I try to encourage hard work and dedication not laziness and the I want it now cause I'm a big baby with a small learning curve. hehe

[Chode Logan]

Reed is tiny, don't listen to him.