Anyone feel like gear is "cheating"?

[Lynx331]

I was just curious to get some opinions about if you feel gear is cheating or not. A few people close to me know about my recent research obsession with steroids, and one of them said to me that its cheating and ill never be happy because i cheated to get where i got. Anyone else share this opinion? Theres just so much negativity from the people who know that its unfortunately affecting my decision to use them.

[stack_it]

If two equal people are competing in a sport for pay and one of those people uses steroids in order to beat the other then yes it's cheating. If you're just an everyday guy that has trained and put years into your diet and training and are ready for steroids then how is that cheating? It's not hurting anyone. It's not giving you a competitive advantage over someone else that will cost them anything. It's simply getting you and your body to the next level for personal reasons

[Hoggage_54]

If two equal people are competing in a sport for pay and one of those people uses steroids in order to beat the other then yes it's cheating. If you're just an everyday guy that has trained and put years into your diet and training and are ready for steroids then how is that cheating? It's not hurting anyone. It's not giving you a competitive advantage over someone else that will cost them anything. It's simply getting you and your body to the next level for personal reasons

[MaNiCC]

I personally think that using steroids for personal reasons is not cheating. I do believe that using them in professional sports etc is, however its only cheating if you get caught.

[dec11]

I was just curious to get some opinions about if you feel gear is cheating or not. A few people close to me know about my recent research obsession with steroids, and one of them said to me that its cheating and ill never be happy because i cheated to get where i got. Anyone else share this opinion? Theres just so much negativity from the people who know that its unfortunately affecting my decision to use them.

if you are taking em for personal developement then that statement is bollocks. i competed for along time natural and only started aas when i stopped competing.

[baseline_9]

Cheating who?

I dont thing its cheating

Its a personal thing, if you are competing in a drug tested sport and the rules say you cannot use AAS then yes, that Is cheating

[calgarian]

if you think it is send me ur gear........

i dont think what ppl think but its way better then lazy arse cosmetic surgery

[Kawigirl]

I would bet majority of people in this world has done some sort of cheating to get ahead of the next person. Whether it was in a sport...work...or anything else.

[Brewster]

cheating...
in todays sports world if you don't do it your cheating yourself

[MACHINE5150]

I feel that not doing gear is cheating yourself!!!!!

[marcus300]

No its not cheating IMHO.

[VegasRenegade]

For those of us old guys it is just leveling the playing field a little.

[Lynx331]

Great responses guys thanks! Anyone feel bad after there first cycle? Or did you just feel awesome?

[Tigershark]

No..

[Lynx331]

Lol, i guess the reason im asking is ive never done anything illegal in my whole life . So im really stepping out of my element here, and then not one person agree's makes it even weirder for me. Sure ive got the support of this guy whos on it.. with no planned pct, and no knowledge of what he's doing... hes all like yea man its not dangerous at all go for it Just so weird to be doing something illegal, and having zero support. Me and my ex still talk, told her my buddy was on it.. and she goes " well if you ever take it i wont talk to you, cuz i dont want you dying at 50 all stroked out" im like well thats alittle harsh, and caring at the same time lol. I was always against these my whole life... however that was of course do to the lovely "you will die if you take this" media hype.. will i take them who knows... sorry for my little rant there..

[MR-FQ320]

just come off pct from first cycle and the clock is ticking for my next cycle, cant effing wait

[Lynx331]

just come off pct from first cycle and the clock is ticking for my next cycle, cant effing wait

What did you use? What were your gains from it? How much did you keep? Whats ur age?

[Dukkit]

Is having 3 girlfriends cheating... no

Is looking at someone elses answers on a test cheating..... no

Is switching your license plates with someone elses, when you are knowingly parked illegally cheating... no

Is going through self checkout at stores and not always scanning every item cheating....no

Is getting an oil change when you visit a big city, because its cheaper then paying parking cheating... no

Is watching a movie instead of reading the book cheating... no

Is being friendly and nice to a chick cuz you want bang her younger sister cheating.... no

Is being friendly and nice to any chick cuz you want in her pants cheating... no

Is using gear cheating... FUKK NO

[MR-FQ320]

What did you use? What were your gains from it? How much did you keep? Whats ur age?

prop, var, gained 17lbs dropped 2/3% bf, kept very little weight, kept strength, 32, strange really not sure how to sum it up, good enough to do again i suppose.

[BgMc31]

Having competed professionally in a sport that tests (football), it's not a black and white issue. Is it cheating if everyone (or the vast majority) is using, even though it's not allowed in the sport? While it may be wrong, I don't consider it cheating. Cheating, IMO, implies that I'm gaining an advantage over the next guy who isn't using. But in football, it was keeping up with the Jones', for the most part. Now I must admit, most players (that I knew of) who used, used to rebound from injury, not the ridiculous amounts some may think.

But having competed in strongman and powerlifting where the expectation is that you use, of course it isn't cheating. It's part of the sport.

[FireGuy]

If you go into a Natural show on drugs you are 100% cheating. Unlike other sports, Bodybuilding offers "tested" and "untested" shows so you have a choice. If you are just doing it to look better the concept doesnt even apply.

[Public Enemy]

If two equal people are competing in a sport for pay and one of those people uses steroids in order to beat the other then yes it's cheating. If you're just an everyday guy that has trained and put years into your diet and training and are ready for steroids then how is that cheating? It's not hurting anyone. It's not giving you a competitive advantage over someone else that will cost them anything. It's simply getting you and your body to the next level for personal reasons

This. Couldn't be said better

[Bojangles69]

Yeh it seems the consensus here is using them for sports/shows is cheating while doing it for personal reasons is not. I had a looong winded discussion about this
a while ago basically reached the same conclusion myself.
The reason its cheating in sports/shows is because you sign a sheet of paper that says you won't partake in that sort of activity. So when you do, you violate the agreements you signed off on and that imo makes you a cheater.

But for the majority of people who just workout to look good, I can't understand *what* exactly they'd be cheating at? Cheating at life?
And for the people who say "you won't be happy" thats a crock of shit. Thats a sort of false logic that parallels substance abuse. "If you
do x drug to feel good, then you won't feel good w/out it". I think thats true in terms of drugs like oxycodone or any drug that provides a
false happiness. But steroids provide happiness by changing your physical structure, not by firing off enormous amounts of dopamine/sere-
tonin. Once steroids are gone that physical structure still exists (when you do it right) and the happiness stays. I really depends on where
you're coming from too. You kinda have to just be a happy person. If your not, and do steroids because you think theyll make you happy,
then obviously you might be depressed w/out them.
But for the avg man with self esteem, thats not usually the case.

[dec11]

Yeh it seems the consensus here is using them for sports/shows is cheating while doing it for personal reasons is not. I had a looong winded discussion about this
a while ago basically reached the same conclusion myself.
The reason its cheating in sports/shows is because you sign a sheet of paper that says you won't partake in that sort of activity. So when you do, you violate the agreements you signed off on and that imo makes you a cheater.

But for the majority of people who just workout to look good, I can't understand *what* exactly they'd be cheating at? Cheating at life?
And for the people who say "you won't be happy" thats a crock of shit. Thats a sort of false logic that parallels substance abuse. "If you
do x drug to feel good, then you won't feel good w/out it". I think thats true in terms of drugs like oxycodone or any drug that provides a
false happiness. But steroids provide happiness by changing your physical structure, not by firing off enormous amounts of dopamine/sere-
tonin. Once steroids are gone that physical structure still exists (when you do it right) and the happiness stays. I really depends on where
you're coming from too. You kinda have to just be a happy person. If your not, and do steroids because you think theyll make you happy,
then obviously you might be depressed w/out them.
But for the avg man with self esteem, thats not usually the case.

jesus, it wouldnt be like you

[MaNiCC]

Is having 3 girlfriends cheating... no

Is looking at someone elses answers on a test cheating..... no

Is switching your license plates with someone elses, when you are knowingly parked illegally cheating... no

Is going through self checkout at stores and not always scanning every item cheating....no

Is getting an oil change when you visit a big city, because its cheaper then paying parking cheating... no

Is watching a movie instead of reading the book cheating... no

Is being friendly and nice to a chick cuz you want bang her younger sister cheating.... no

Is being friendly and nice to any chick cuz you want in her pants cheating... no

Is using gear cheating... FUKK NO

My hero!

[Bojangles69]

jesus, it wouldnt be like you

What wouldn't be like me?
Are you saying I type a lot?

Or maybe you're saying I don't type enough. I can't really be sure either way, so I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

One day I was walking down the street, a black street, (I should mention a paved black street), and the street had curbs.
I was trying to cross and tripped over the curb. After I tripped I fell. And when I fell my body hit the ground. And when
I hit the ground I made a loud noise. When I made a loud noise a pedestrian heard me. And when the pedestrian heard me
they came walking over. As they were walking I looked at their shoes, and their shoes were black. Not black black but
grey black. Anyway that has nothing to do with the story.
So I was laying on the ground while the pedestrian was still walking over. And as he was walking over I asked him what time
it was. Then he lifted his arm to look at his watch, a rolex I think, a gold rolex, with diamonds... and out of nowhere BOOM
a massive 18 wheeler, or maybe 16 wheels I didn't count, smashes right into his body and his watch flies into the air.
As the watch is in the air I was looking at it, and noticed there was bird in the sky, it was also also really nice out did I mention
that? Prob not but anyway so the watch is in the air and I see it coming towards me. As it was coming towards me my balls got
itchy, so I scratched them, then out of habit I took a wiff and realized I needed a shower. But back to the story, this gold
rolex watch is in the air, and I'm watching it come right at me, at this point its almost half way there. I'm thinking "damn
when is this fvckn watch gonna fall?!" And then I got hungry, so I went and got some sushi. At the sushi bar this hot little
asian bitch tells me I'm sexy. Or was it "hot"? I don't really remember. But anyway its not important. Whats important is I got my
sushi. And then I ate it. After I ate it you won't believe what happened next! I got up and went walking over to the garbage,
and threw my trash away. So this is when the story gets really good. I get a bit of wasabi sauce on my hands and notice
my balls are still itchy. I go to scratch my ballz and ZOMG! did that shit burn. So at this point I unzip my pants, and run over
to the asian waitress, and ask her "how do I get wasabi sauces off my testicles"? She says "don't worry I know what to do".

So this asian bitch, who works at a sushi restaraunt, (did I mention that part?) gets on her knees and blows me. After shes
done I give her a nice tip, then go back out to the street. So the watch is still in the air and I lie down on the road in the same
position I was in before. But I don't think I mentioned the position cuz thats important. It was like fetal position but perfectly
straight. I was standing as I was also laying on the ground. Ok no I mean I was on the ground but I looked like I was standing.
I should prob delete that last part but it really adds to the suspense. So anyway a car ran over me and I died. The end.

Oh and one more thing real quick. Anytime I write a post in regular mode, than go to advanced it fvcks up the formating. I'm not sure why that happens, but it happens. Although it doesn't happen all the time just sometimes. And I know I can go in and backspace everything so it looks normal, but I don't. And the reason I don't is because it takes too much time. Time is a very precious thing for me, which is why I always try to keep my posts as short as possible. Because if I make them long I waste time, and if I waste time then I can't perform open heart surgery on little boys and girls who need my help. I should prob mention its not always little boys and girls, sometimes its adults, other times its puppies. Did I mention I'm a vet too? I live a very busy life. Ok have a nice day.

[dec11]

What wouldn't be like me?
Are you saying I type a lot?

Or maybe you're saying I don't type enough. I can't really be sure either way, so I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

One day I was walking down the street, a black street, (I should mention a paved black street), and the street had curbs.
I was trying to cross and tripped over the curb. After I tripped I fell. And when I fell my body hit the ground. And when
I hit the ground I made a loud noise. When I made a loud noise a pedestrian heard me. And when the pedestrian heard me
they came walking over. As they were walking I looked at their shoes, and their shoes were black. Not black black but
grey black. Anyway that has nothing to do with the story.
So I was laying on the ground while the pedestrian was still walking over. And as he was walking over I asked him what time
it was. Then he lifted his arm to look at his watch, a rolex I think, a gold rolex, with diamonds... and out of nowhere BOOM
a massive 18 wheeler, or maybe 16 wheels I didn't count, smashes right into his body and his watch flies into the air.
As the watch is in the air I was looking at it, and noticed there was bird in the sky, it was also also really nice out did I mention
that? Prob not but anyway so the watch is in the air and I see it coming towards me. As it was coming towards me my balls got
itchy, so I scratched them, then out of habit I took a wiff and realized I needed a shower. But back to the story, this gold
rolex watch is in the air, and I'm watching it come right at me, at this point its almost half way there. I'm thinking "damn
when is this fvckn watch gonna fall?!" And then I got hungry, so I went and got some sushi. At the sushi bar this hot little
asian bitch tells me I'm sexy. Or was it "hot"? I don't really remember. But anyway its not important. Whats important is I got my
sushi. And then I ate it. After I ate it you won't believe what happened next! I got up and went walking over to the garbage,
and threw my trash away. So this is when the story gets really good. I get a bit of wasabi sauce on my hands and notice
my balls are still itchy. I go to scratch my ballz and ZOMG! did that shit burn. So at this point I unzip my pants, and run over
to the asian waitress, and ask her "how do I get wasabi sauces off my testicles"? She says "don't worry I know what to do".

So this asian bitch, who works at a sushi restaraunt, (did I mention that part?) gets on her knees and blows me. After shes
done I give her a nice tip, then go back out to the street. So the watch is still in the air and I lie down on the road in the same
position I was in before. But I don't think I mentioned the position cuz thats important. It was like fetal position but perfectly
straight. I was standing as I was also laying on the ground. Ok no I mean I was on the ground but I looked like I was standing.
I should prob delete that last part but it really adds to the suspense. So anyway a car ran over me and I died. The end.

Oh and one more thing real quick. Anytime I write a post in regular mode, than go to advanced it fvcks up the formating. I'm not sure why that happens, but it happens. Although it doesn't happen all the time just sometimes. And I know I can go in and backspace everything so it looks normal, but I don't. And the reason I don't is because it takes too much time. Time is a very precious thing for me, which is why I always try to keep my posts as short as possible. Because if I make them long I waste time, and if I waste time then I can't perform open heart surgery on little boys and girls who need my help. I should prob mention its not always little boys and girls, sometimes its adults, other times its puppies. Did I mention I'm a vet too? I live a very busy life. Ok have a nice day.

sad.........

[Times Roman]

for it to be cheating, you would have had to violated a rule. what rule do you think you violated?

[DSM4Life]

Anal in a dark room isn't cheating....wait...

If you compete and use your cheating. I know others say "well everyone else is doing so i am just getting even." No, you are just joining the "cheaters" because not everyone is doing. The majority doesn't equal cheating. If you don't compete and just workout as a hobby you have no one to cheat.

[chuckt12345]

cheating isnt the correct word to use,, replace it with "wrong"

[BlInDsIdE]

Nope never looked at it as cheating

[Lynx331]

I guess the main thing is I've just never don't anything close to this before... And it feels alittle "wrong" as stated above lol