Arnie must be a Democrat to plug this taco-muncher

[zimmy]

There are many intelligent folks on these forums. And there are many who apparently share the same cultural values and social postions as the
famous "People of Walmart"! I do hope they don't handle any equipment more complicated then a wheelbarrow. (I am tempted to use the term "White Trash" but that is as offensive as other terms.) OK, for starters take a peek:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02...-costs-reform/

This does not talk about the intangibles such as crime, filth, and general decay.

LOL...you really do like to prove people right don't you? Like I said before, research for yourself don't use the internet for your "Facts". You are using a report on a study as your fact? Would you read a review of a movie and then tell your friends how great the movie was?

[clemont51]

The denseness of some of the replies here is astounding. Internet is a most valuable research tool. It just simply links
you to the original works. Get back to your convenience store duties. (By the Gods, the inability to think abstractly is
a hallmark of mediocre intelligence)

[zimmy]

No the internet is the best source of people's interpretations of original works. You are talking to a systems admin and a web developer...so it really doesn't make sense to try to assume that your knowledge of what the internet is, will somehow shine a new light on to the years of knowledge I have in the industry. Also I am not sure what bigotry generalization you are trying to make with the convenience store duties remark...but I must say I am very intrigued by that one much the same way people are intrigued by the way a schizophrenic brain works. The funny thing is, I never assumed you were uneducated based on your hatred… just your choice of research. Yet you seem to think that somehow I only qualify to be a convenience store clerk based only on the fact that I don’t agree with your hatred? I actually already posted that I do not like illegal immigrants but for some reason you can’t differentiate that blind hatred of people based on race or religion does not mean that there isn’t a problem. I have kept things pretty respectful but after that last little swipe at my professional status I feel like I have to be a little more direct to get through the hate filled shield that you have put up. I really don’t feel like spouting out my credentials, but I am pretty sure that when I was getting my masters, you were still reading other people’s interpretations of facts.

To everyone else... I know it's pretty illogical to talk logic with some one who is filled with blind hatred, but I really dislike ignorance.

[clemont51]

Stop singing "Kumbayah" and google:

Cost of illegal alien crime.

Illegal alien cost to health care system

Incarceration costs of illegal aliens

Population growth and illegal immigration

Educational costs of illegal immigration

You can run from facts but you cannot hide them!

[Flier]

Stop singing "Kumbayah" and google:

Cost of illegal alien crime.

Illegal alien cost to health care system

Incarceration costs of illegal aliens

Population growth and illegal immigration

Educational costs of illegal immigration

You can run from facts but you cannot hide them!

Clemont, stop spamming Google.
You´re deep in the red from buying in -07, and are trying to run up the share price.

[zimmy]

Seriously ... let’s talk about a fact that you can't run from. I AM NOT FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I am only against racism and how every uneducated racist @sshole who spouts out "facts" mixed with their hate takes away from every other educated person who wants immigration reform. Every time a racist moron says something completely idiotic about “illegals” it makes it that much harder for people who see a problem and want a change to NOT be labeled a racist. You keep spouting the same cr@p but you don't seem to want to acknowledge the simple FACT that you are WRONG. Stop singing "kumbayah" about GOOGLE. I can post up an article and it will be searchable on google just like everyone else. You think because some sh*tty internet site calls piss "rain" that it is rain because that is what your close minded self think also? That is the thing about ACTUAL facts; they don't change just because you want them to. But I know that I'm wasting my time with this. I realize that I'm not having an adult discussion with an intelligent person. I am apparently talking to a child who is doing little more than putting his fingers in his ears and closing his eyes so that he can continue thinking the world is flat and he is right.

clemont51 is a complete moron.

[zimmy]

I threw that last line in there to prove a point. In about a day, it will be searchable on google. Since you think all the stuff on google is fact, then I guess you might actually realize what you are.

[SlimmerMe]

Clemont, here are a couple things you might want to know:

To me? Latin music is the best in the world with rhythm plus romantic and greatest dance music to be found on the planet.

And Latin lovers? Books have been written about them.

[clemont51]

How can you relate latin music to the illegal alien situation? Latin lovers? Excepting a few famous ones
of the movies and TV, who are obviously eurospanish, tell us more!

[JohnnyVegas]

How can YOU relate a legal citizen sleeping with Arnold to illegal immigration?

[Shol'va]

Clemont, here are a couple things you might want to know:

To me? Latin music is the best in the world with rhythm plus romantic and greatest dance music to be found on the planet.

And Latin lovers? Books have been written about them.

Oops wrong pic vvvvvv





And if you know where to look you can get those latin lovers by the bundle.....

[Shol'va]

Just cause you fvcked a few slimey greeseball mexicans doesn't mean they will all have books written about them. And the ones that do
have books written about them also usually have hispanic authors.. so wtf. Latin music is best listened to on amphetamines.. or crack, as thats
the only way I'll ever enjoy it.

You can always count on a woman to bring thier downsyndromeesque (a new word I just invented) logic into a debate. But I definitely won't label
all women as stupid. That would be assanine sexist bs. It would be more accurate to say that their vaginas secrete some sort of "stupid hormone"
that renders all tendencies towards logic to be useless.

Anyway, back on topic. As many times as I've seen zimmy call Clemont a "moron", w/out clemont sinking down to zimmys own moronic level, tells me
that even at 78 clemont as more class than zimmy ever could. But it also appears that zimmy is a hispanic, and very possibly an illegal immigrant himself,
so I was never expecting much class in the first place.

As much as zimmy likes to talk about "facts", I'm rather perplexed why he himself lacks the ability to use any? Clemonts arguement all around the boards involves
more facts and statistics, he has a sound arguement. And none of what he has said has even came close to being challenged by any of these "facts" I see in this
thread. And he's bitching about the "racist asshole" label but he's also the only one throwing it around in the first place. So wtf. What are you the official "racist asshole" labeler? lolz

Lets be clear. Illegal immigration is like the second or third biggest problem this nation could have. Aside from debt and war. So his argument is more than valid. Nor
do I even see what he has to prove? He's saying its a big problem. Theres NO WAY in bumblefvck pakistan that you can possibly argue that. It astonishes me how utterly dumb some of you younger meatheads are. And that the one old guy in here who likely doesn't even juice, or spend all his time focusing on his next cycle, comes off light years more intelligent than anything I've seen in this thread. You give the guys tons of shit and he obviously doesn't care. Because he obviously knows that he is right. So give the old man the benefit of the doubt and admit that you spend more time calibrating your syringes and filtering your oils than reading about actual current events in the US.

The arguement here is illegal immigrants are a major PITA for the US. They commit lots of crimes, drain money from the system and you people are actually trying to stick up for them? hahahaha! If thats not a sign that the world is coming to an end very soon idk what is. I always thought those 2012 lunatics were out of their mind but maybe they do actually have a point.

You know I could go all kinds of ways with this comment back towards you and your brain secreting this same "Stupid Hormone" but I won't go there instead I will only ask why you are here except only to troll so.......

[zimmy]

As much as zimmy likes to talk about "facts", I'm rather perplexed why he himself lacks the ability to use any? Clemonts arguement all around the boards involves
more facts and statistics, he has a sound arguement. And none of what he has said has even came close to being challenged by any of these "facts" I see in this
thread. And he's bitching about the "racist asshole" label but he's also the only one throwing it around in the first place. So wtf. What are you the official "racist asshole" labeler? lolz

Lol... not that it matters...but I don't even know spanish. The assumption that someone of hispanic bloodlines is probably illegal is the exact reason why I have a problem with you and Clemonts. I do feel bad because Clemonts is keeping his threads semi ok in terms of following the board’s rules...and then you come with your rhetoric and line yourself with him. That last spout you did before you got banned under your other name shows that your defense works against and not for some one.

And as I told him repeatedly...the internet is NOT a source of reliable facts. Don't go by my interpretation or any one else’s, go read them directly for yourself with an open mind. I know it won't happen but that is the point I keep trying to make. Only sheep need people to explain facts and summarize them. Read them yourself.

If you need me to give you the actual title of a few so you can go to the library and save the time of going through hundreds I will be happy too but I know you won't do that either. I have 2 children so I'm very familar with the "I'm right no matter what" defense.

[Shol'va]

Zimmy let it go, as am I. You Can't Argue With A Sick Mind....Reminds me of this Album..

[NutShrinkage]

So anyway like I was saying faggots should all die, niggars should all get the death penalty, faggots should be sent to prison to be raped before they are killed violently by an army of angry dildos, women (especially all your underage daughters) need to get their mouths sewn shut and their colons tied to their ovaries so I can impregnate them all when I and the army of angry dildos ****s them all in the ass.

clemont is right, i love you buddy. talk to you later.

[Shol'va]

[Flier]

Just cause you fvcked a few slimey greeseball mexicans doesn't mean they will all have books written about them. And the ones that do
have books written about them also usually have hispanic authors.. so wtf. Latin music is best listened to on amphetamines.. or crack, as thats
the only way I'll ever enjoy it.

You can always count on a woman to bring thier downsyndromeesque (a new word I just invented) logic into a debate. But I definitely won't label
all women as stupid. That would be assanine sexist bs. It would be more accurate to say that their vaginas secrete some sort of "stupid hormone"
that renders all tendencies towards logic to be useless.

Anyway, back on topic. As many times as I've seen zimmy call Clemont a "moron", w/out clemont sinking down to zimmys own moronic level, tells me
that even at 78 clemont as more class than zimmy ever could. But it also appears that zimmy is a hispanic, and very possibly an illegal immigrant himself,
so I was never expecting much class in the first place.

As much as zimmy likes to talk about "facts", I'm rather perplexed why he himself lacks the ability to use any? Clemonts arguement all around the boards involves
more facts and statistics, he has a sound arguement. And none of what he has said has even came close to being challenged by any of these "facts" I see in this
thread. And he's bitching about the "racist asshole" label but he's also the only one throwing it around in the first place. So wtf. What are you the official "racist asshole" labeler? lolz

Lets be clear. Illegal immigration is like the second or third biggest problem this nation could have. Aside from debt and war. So his argument is more than valid. Nor
do I even see what he has to prove? He's saying its a big problem. Theres NO WAY in bumblefvck pakistan that you can possibly argue that. It astonishes me how utterly dumb some of you younger meatheads are. And that the one old guy in here who likely doesn't even juice, or spend all his time focusing on his next cycle, comes off light years more intelligent than anything I've seen in this thread. You give the guys tons of shit and he obviously doesn't care. Because he obviously knows that he is right. So give the old man the benefit of the doubt and admit that you spend more time calibrating your syringes and filtering your oils than reading about actual current events in the US.

The arguement here is illegal immigrants are a major PITA for the US. They commit lots of crimes, drain money from the system and you people are actually trying to stick up for them? hahahaha! If thats not a sign that the world is coming to an end very soon idk what is. I always thought those 2012 lunatics were out of their mind but maybe they do actually have a point.

Why did he get banned?
He didn´t spell out the bad word...

[Flier]

arguement here is illegal immigrants are a major PITA for the US. They commit lots of crimes, drain money from the system and you people are actually trying to stick up for them? hahahaha! If thats not a sign that the world is coming to an end very soon idk what is. I always thought those 2012 lunatics were out of their mind but maybe they do actually have a point.

Still waiting for Clemont or anyone to explain this one, without referring to Google.

[quarry206]

for the record I am against illegal immigration. . .

BUT!

One of the big issues I have with the arrangements against illegal immigration is that they pull and twist facts to fit their opinions and not base their opinions on facts. there are enough facts out there to dislike illegal immigration so why are people quoting numbers that are very twisted . . When quoting costs and such you can't get mixed the numbers beefed up for boarder security because of illegal drug and weapons trade. also lets not get forget most medical cost are illegals getting injured doing construction work and other labor jobs that the American employers are shafting them and not providing health or workers comp coverage. in a recent study (forgiving me for not having the link) it was shown that a lot of the education costs in cali were jacked up because of so many not speaking or understanding English, but the costs are only slightly raised by illegals, that the same issue would be there because of legal citizens that do not teach their children English in the home.


My OPINION IS, There is a problem with illegal immigration in this country for the simple and easy fact of though the costs are inflated when shown, their is still a high cost. As Americans we are facing impossible economic times and billions here and billions there going to illegal immigration in one fashion or another. most do not pay taxes but receive federal or state aide in the form of medical coverage and education. the violent crimes by many gangs such as MS-13 formed of mostly illegal immigrants from El Salvador and other gangs with direct ties to illegal immigration. \

as far as the person who gave the logic of well the war costs a lot so why are we so worried about immigration is a stupid argument, just because there are other stupid government programs and/or spending does not mean you forget immigration. We have to address them all, but the topic that this became is illegal immigration so therefor that is what we are talking about today. .

As a whole we are struggling to education and give medical care to legal citizens of this country. So as long as we are in a state as a country that we can't fully help and be there for our own people I don't agree with supporting illegals that are coming into the country and for the most part sending the money they earn out of the country (back to family).

[DSM4Life]

[zimmy]

for the record I am against illegal immigration. . .

BUT!

One of the big issues I have with the arrangements against illegal immigration is that they pull and twist facts to fit their opinions and not base their opinions on facts. there are enough facts out there to dislike illegal immigration so why are people quoting numbers that are very twisted . . When quoting costs and such you can't get mixed the numbers beefed up for boarder security because of illegal drug and weapons trade. also lets not get forget most medical cost are illegals getting injured doing construction work and other labor jobs that the American employers are shafting them and not providing health or workers comp coverage. in a recent study (forgiving me for not having the link) it was shown that a lot of the education costs in cali were jacked up because of so many not speaking or understanding English, but the costs are only slightly raised by illegals, that the same issue would be there because of legal citizens that do not teach their children English in the home.


My OPINION IS, There is a problem with illegal immigration in this country for the simple and easy fact of though the costs are inflated when shown, their is still a high cost. As Americans we are facing impossible economic times and billions here and billions there going to illegal immigration in one fashion or another. most do not pay taxes but receive federal or state aide in the form of medical coverage and education. the violent crimes by many gangs such as MS-13 formed of mostly illegal immigrants from El Salvador and other gangs with direct ties to illegal immigration. \

as far as the person who gave the logic of well the war costs a lot so why are we so worried about immigration is a stupid argument, just because there are other stupid government programs and/or spending does not mean you forget immigration. We have to address them all, but the topic that this became is illegal immigration so therefor that is what we are talking about today. .

As a whole we are struggling to education and give medical care to legal citizens of this country. So as long as we are in a state as a country that we can't fully help and be there for our own people I don't agree with supporting illegals that are coming into the country and for the most part sending the money they earn out of the country (back to family).

Well said! Totally agree with you.

[zimmy]

Redshifted...but I don't know what his original name is.

[Flier]

for the record I am against illegal immigration. . .

BUT!

One of the big issues I have with the arrangements against illegal immigration is that they pull and twist facts to fit their opinions and not base their opinions on facts. there are enough facts out there to dislike illegal immigration so why are people quoting numbers that are very twisted . . When quoting costs and such you can't get mixed the numbers beefed up for boarder security because of illegal drug and weapons trade. also lets not get forget most medical cost are illegals getting injured doing construction work and other labor jobs that the American employers are shafting them and not providing health or workers comp coverage. in a recent study (forgiving me for not having the link) it was shown that a lot of the education costs in cali were jacked up because of so many not speaking or understanding English, but the costs are only slightly raised by illegals, that the same issue would be there because of legal citizens that do not teach their children English in the home.


My OPINION IS, There is a problem with illegal immigration in this country for the simple and easy fact of though the costs are inflated when shown, their is still a high cost. As Americans we are facing impossible economic times and billions here and billions there going to illegal immigration in one fashion or another. most do not pay taxes but receive federal or state aide in the form of medical coverage and education. the violent crimes by many gangs such as MS-13 formed of mostly illegal immigrants from El Salvador and other gangs with direct ties to illegal immigration. \

as far as the person who gave the logic of well the war costs a lot so why are we so worried about immigration is a stupid argument, just because there are other stupid government programs and/or spending does not mean you forget immigration. We have to address them all, but the topic that this became is illegal immigration so therefor that is what we are talking about today. .

As a whole we are struggling to education and give medical care to legal citizens of this country. So as long as we are in a state as a country that we can't fully help and be there for our own people I don't agree with supporting illegals that are coming into the country and for the most part sending the money they earn out of the country (back to family).

Finally some well thought of arguments against illegal immigration, instead of the news parroting gibberish Clemont and this other mental-case is spewing out.

The cost of illegal immigration, is a very complex equation, as, even though they don´t pay taxes, the money they make are recirculated when they pay for living cost. 20 millions illegals have to pay rent, eat, buy gas etc., turning the $.
How about, for each 1000 illegals, how many tax paying US jobs are created in the medical field, law enforcement, food industry, retail etc.

So the final "cost" of illegal immigration, who knows.

Illegal immigration still need to end, as there need to be some type of investigation into intent, and contributive attributes a person has, before being allowed to join the community.

[clemont51]

One more time for the unsophisticated on this tread.

Googling will only direct a searcher to sites. There is a wealth of data from the feds, states, etc.
to overwhelm critics. (But like little schoolchildren they go off at the damnest tangents.)

"Get out there and fix pump #5".

"If you donts stop picking your nose and not loving Jesus you gonna be in hot water"

[Flagg]

Clemont there is no point in "debating" with you, when you're so set in your ways.

I could produce a shit ton of peer reviewed journal articles to back up any claims I make but you'd just ignore them.

Really, what is the point in having any kind of discussion with you?