How far would you go

[marcus300]

This is a follow on thread from "How big"

No matter what your goals are weather thats being huge or just ripped, how far would you go to acheive them.

What are the risks you willing to take?

[terraj]

One or two cycles a year at low to moderate doses, Test only.

Lucky I carry muslce easy, getting ripped is always hard.

[DSM4Life]

I use to take risks but not anymore. A few life lessons has shown me there are A LOT more important things in life than being big. I am happier now.

[MBMETC]

Being my personality is all or nothing, and im self destructive i cant allow myself to go to far..

[BG]

I agree with Dsm, but sometimes I forget. I get started with a mild cycle then it snow balls and It ends up being pretty heavy. I'm also cutting down on the cost factor. I used to not care, I would just say it cost a lot to be big. Now I'm just going back to the basics, I actualy kind poisoned myself last week. Another lesson learned....the hard way.

[Times Roman]

For me I always make an attempt with a balanced perspective. With as much access to aas here, and not needing a Rx, I could easily do as much as I want, and really no worries about cost.

So I'm really not interested in anything more than mild risk.... I'm also very concerned about good health...

.... and I'm also a "Life Extender", adhering to those principals as well. Well, over 80% of them anyways.

alot of those life extenders are skinny shits that believe in reduced caloric diets.... fuk that

[Windex]

When I first started researching I probably would've been willing to do Test Prop/Tren Ace as a first cycle fully knowing how stupid it was. Then I would've been even more stupid and got bi-weekly bloodwork done coming out of PCT to see if I could cycle again. (P.S. - I'm only 20). It was a bad lapse in judgment, thankfully I gave myself a good shake. 5 years and then I can do a beginner cycle ^_<.

[lovbyts]

Little to no risk. I dont use anything that is not proven over time and semi annual blood work. My body is already paying for the risks I took when I was young.

[Bigd89]

Ill take all the risks involved with using heavy dosages of aas just to be huge and powerful.

[baseline_9]

ATM I am loving my training, it takes up lots of my time with all the training a cooking...

I put lots into BB'ing and help a lot of people and encourage them to get into BB'ing

If I decided that I wanted to take it to the next level I would be willing to do/take whatever it takes to win. The only thing I would not like to do it put my relationship under a load of strain which often happens when guys prep for a show...

[l2elapse]

in the end all you have is your health

[buffgator]

im currently doing test e 750mg and tren e 600mg per week. that's the highest combined total I've ever done in my ten years of using. im 30 still have one more year of school and no wife, kids, or career which are starting to be things i want more than a monster build. also the more i weigh the worse i feel so i am getting to the point where i would like to keep my weight where its at but slowly each year look better at that weight.

[Hunter]

My overall health comes first. I am a father, husband, son and brother my first duty is to look after them and i can't do that if I am not here.

Thats why I will use low to mod doses of aas when the time comes and my "internal" health is of high importance as well.

[stpete]

I'm happy with my few cycles a year and have been for some time. But 10-15 years ago i didn't care at all and used anything and everything in hopes of getting just monsterous in size. That being said if i was so inclined to do the same i'd stop at nothing as long as i KNEW that it wouldn't come back to harm me. Whether it be mentally, emotionally or physically. But i'm pretty sure that no one can give us that guarantee so i'll keep everything the same and stick to what i know.

[Swifto]

Imagine you put all the time and dedication into body building, into making money...

[buffgator]

Imagine you put all the time and dedication into body building, into making money...

ha i think about that all the time!

[Immortal Soldier]

DEATH

Anyone that doesn't feel the same is a girlie man who should be doing yoga instead of bodybuilding.

[buffgator]

DEATH

Anyone that doesn't feel the same is a girlie man who should be doing yoga instead of bodybuilding.

well guess ill go go yoga (or maybe legs) because im not hardcore enough to die

[Catch]

Honestly, I'm not even willing to take the risks I am currently taking. After being on this board for the short time I have and now realizing the potential for sides, health factors and everything else involved in aas use, the will be my first and last cycle. It just isn't worth it for me. I constantly worry. AND after learning that my diet and supplement regimen was shit before I even got started, I believe I had a long way to go to reach my genetic potential anyway.

It'll be all natural from here on out. I've got decent size for my height already and my health is just way more important to me than being huge.

[Catch]

On that note... Being a member on this forum for a year and a minimum of 100 hours of reading should be a prerequisite for ANYone considering aas use. There is so much more involved to do it the right way than 99.9% of people realize. And that includes the slew of guys at my work who are currently using and have been for years.

[Immortal Soldier]

well guess ill go go yoga (or maybe legs) because im not hardcore enough to die

I heard there is yoga at 2 pm on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and since your a girlie man you are also probably a "stay at home dad" aka man-bitch, so you shouldn't have any problem making those classes.

[buffgator]

I heard there is yoga at 2 pm on Monday, Wednesday, Friday and since your a girlie man you are also probably a "stay at home dad" aka man-bitch, so you shouldn't have any problem making those classes.

hey if Arnold and Mariusz Pudzianowsk both did yoga than i have no problem doing it.

[Immortal Soldier]

hey if Arnold and Mariusz Pudzianowsk both did yoga than i have no problem doing it.

Touche, we will meet again buffgator...

[buffgator]

Touche, we will meet again buffgator...

I think you ment douche not touche?

[FireGuy]

All about risk versus reward for me. I am lucky in the sense that I dont have the genetics to compete at the top level of this sport or pursue the dream of ever becoming pro. Knowing that, there has never been the urge to push the envelope when it comes to health. It always amazes me the crazy cycles some of these guy do who dont even compete. They just want to look big in a tshirt or get jacked for a vacation.

[buffgator]

All about risk versus reward for me. I am lucky in the sense that I dont have the genetics to compete at the top level of this sport or pursue the dream of ever becoming pro. Knowing that, there has never been the urge to push the envelope when it comes to health. It always amazes me the crazy cycles some of these guy do who dont even compete. They just want to look big in a tshirt or get jacked for a vacation.

thats how I feel I know that I am just shy of having the genetics for turning pro at strongman and thats ok with me, thats also why im ok with doing moderate cycles once or twice a year.

[terraj]

DEATH

Anyone that doesn't feel the same is a girlie man who should be doing yoga instead of bodybuilding.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rly&highlight=


this was you right?

[buffgator]

DEATH

Anyone that doesn't feel the same is a girlie man who should be doing yoga instead of bodybuilding.

This one too terraj
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ime-in-2-years....
hardcore enough to die, but not hardcore enough to work legs.

[Immortal Soldier]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rly&highlight=


this was you right?

Yup, and I was smart enough to end the cycle early after my a-bomb's caused liver bile to start up and the tren caused sterile abscesses.

You live and learn, when I did it again later (with less test and no abombs)... had no problems *knocks on woods*

This one too terraj
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ime-in-2-years....
hardcore enough to die, but not hardcore enough to work legs.

Listen FATgator, I will wipe the floor with your 20% bf strongman wanna-be ass you hear me! Just don't attack my legs they are my kypronite

[Times Roman]

Yup, and I was smart enough to end the cycle early after my a-bomb's caused liver bile to start up and the tren caused sterile abscesses.You live and learn, when I did it again later (with less test and no abombs)... had no problems *knocks on woods*




Listen FATgator, I will wipe the floor with your 20% bf strongman wanna-be ass you hear me! Just don't attack my legs they are my kypronite

But other than that, it was a great cycle, right? =)

[wmaousley]

I am willing to do what is necessary to achieve my goals in a safe and healthy manner. I will never get wreckless with aas use, I have seen out of control aas users pin in 4-5 weeks what you and I may pin in 12-15 weeks.

Had a friend from Miami die from liver failure, he was taking alot of aas, also drinking like a fish and chewing ect tabs like candy, on top of many other narcotics. SO I use decent/strong cycles but nothing I cant handle or that may endanger my life.

[buffgator]

Yup, and I was smart enough to end the cycle early after my a-bomb's caused liver bile to start up and the tren caused sterile abscesses.

You live and learn, when I did it again later (with less test and no abombs)... had no problems *knocks on woods*




Listen FATgator, I will wipe the floor with your 20% bf strongman wanna-be ass you hear me! Just don't attack my legs they are my kypronite

Well just dont run from me because cardio is my kryptonite.....really though man Im just harassing you because in every post you talk about how hardcore and intense you are then you post today that you havent worked legs for 2 years.....you had to of known you were putting your foot in your mouth. No hard feelings though

[lovbyts]

Well just dont run from me because cardio is my kryptonite.....really though man Im just harassing you because in every post you talk about how hardcore and intense you are then you post today that you havent worked legs for 2 years.....you had to of known you were putting your foot in your mouth. No hard feelings though

Because he hansnt change a bit since last time he hung around here. LOL It's all good, he is one of those who love to get a reaction and have fun like most of us.

[BgMc31]

I'm on HRT, so I cruise with 200mgs a week. My heavy dosing depends on how many strongman or powerlifting meets I plan on doing. But I only go to 750mg test, 200mg deca , 300mg tren , 50mg/ day (for 2 weeks) Drol, 6-8weeks before the contest. I'm not willing to do what a lot of powerlifters and strongmen do, because like MN fighter says, I've got 3 kids and a wife. Those are the most important factors in my life, not the weights.

[buffgator]

I'm on HRT, so I cruise with 200mgs a week. My heavy dosing depends on how many strongman or powerlifting meets I plan on doing. But I only go to 750mg test, 200mg deca, 300mg tren, 50mg/ day (for 2 weeks) Drol, 6-8weeks before the contest. I'm not willing to do what a lot of powerlifters and strongmen do, because like MN fighter says, I've got 3 kids and a wife. Those are the most important factors in my life, not the weights.

bg how do you like doing a low dose tren and low dose deca together in a cycle?

[zaggahamma]

zero risk...health before looks/asthetics

[BgMc31]

bg how do you like doing a low dose tren and low dose deca together in a cycle?

With all my joint issues because of 20+yrs of football (including 9 professional), the low dose deca does wonders when banging heavy weights. The tren throws my strength through the roof prior to a contest. But I've experimented with doses before and I got no additional benefit in strength from huge amounts of tren or using it for longer periods of time.

[Immortal Soldier]

But other than that, it was a great cycle, right? =)

I learned more in that cycle than most people on here learn in 5 cycles...thats the truth. A part of me regrets that cycle, but because of it my body is so much stronger and I have more experience in the cycling department.

Well just dont run from me because cardio is my kryptonite.....really though man Im just harassing you because in every post you talk about how hardcore and intense you are then you post today that you havent worked legs for 2 years.....you had to of known you were putting your foot in your mouth. No hard feelings though

HARDCORE AND INTENSE is the two words I live by (I don't count the AND), just because I took a hiatus from legs doesn't mean I am not hardcore.

I am like Jordan, I can leave the game for two years and still come back and drop 50 on you FatGator YOU HEAR ME! HARDCORE! INTENSE! FAST! AND FURIOUS!

I JUST DID 11 EXERCISES 4 SETS EACH FOR BACK INCLUDING DEADLIFTS IN under 90 MINS!

I typed in caps to make it more intense and so you knew I was yelling as I typed it

[baseline_9]

All about risk versus reward for me. I am lucky in the sense that I dont have the genetics to compete at the top level of this sport or pursue the dream of ever becoming pro. Knowing that, there has never been the urge to push the envelope when it comes to health. It always amazes me the crazy cycles some of these guy do who dont even compete. They just want to look big in a tshirt or get jacked for a vacation.

Very humble FG....

Respect!

[PK-V]

The dedication and sacrifice needed is just out of this world

Then you got the politics man, the politics! The IFBB is just out of control these days.

Jay will win again this year mark my word, he came in worse then last year and still placed in front of heath.

Jay failed a diuretics test in 05* according to Romano and threatened to sue the IFBB cos he had dirt on them and they backed down

Also with Kai recently ill in hospital, all this stuff which is going on behind the scenes that you will never hear about.

We need a new federation to take over, WBF?


This post will fit right in here

Originally posted by:
AJDOS @ Meathedz

A few nights ago I was training at my gym and I was hitting my delts and biceps- I had a pretty good pump going so I pulled off my shirt to my tank top.
A younger fellow about 6'4 maybe 200 lbs in decent shape came up and introduced himself to me- Im a bit anti-social but I introduced myself to him as well. He said "Dude you are my goal and slapped me on the delt." Now Im not big on being touched by another man- but I laughed- not about the slap- but about what he had said. He thinks he wants this but if I could sit down with him for an hour and explain to him the realities of getting bigger- he may have second thoughts.

Adding size to ones frame is a easily attained goal for most- but getting above your genetic potential is a different ball game and takes quite of bit of forcing it on your body.
Lets outline some of the finer points of getting big, and dont get me wrong- there are much larger men out there than me, but genetically some have a much easier time reaching above average largeness on bodybuilding scale.
I am a smaller boned individual and my clavicles have decent width- I tend to have a thicker core and larger hips and legs.
I am 5'11 and currently sitting at 282 with no clothes on.

Now lests start with some basics-

FOOD:

Holy shit- the amount of food that has to be consumed is unreal- just to gain a pound or 2 is about $2-300 in groceries a week- not too mention supplements like gainers and protein powders- add those in your looking at about $400 a week.
Not too mention consuming it- somedays you just get plain sick of eating- and trying to consume clean sources of food that still have enough calories to support muscle growth is a very daunting task- its a high volume of food- digestive aids are just about essential- a colon cleanse is a daily used product to keep the pipes cleaned and help absorb all the food, that combined with a multi enzyme formula and especially some extra bromelain for the protein.
And then the water consumption- pounding all that food down is one thing but then trying to drink enough water to allow your body to remain properly hydrated is another thing- can you say BLOATED.
Visceral distention is something you better get accustomed too if you wanna dog it down properly.
Oh and you think you can get away with eating junk food to catch up on the calories??
WRONG- high fat foods like fried foods and pizza just act like a road block- they end up making it more difficult to keep consuming ALL your meals and many times will cause you to be lazy and bloated and probably miss the last few meals of the day from being so satiated.
Next is the kitchen- my kitchen is a hazmat warzone- the cooking and preparation of foods is a constant revolving door of cooking, cleaning and throwing out trash- every trash day I look at our garbage can and its busting out and my neigbors cans look tame compared to ours- recycling bin is full of empty protein containers- its a mess and a perpetual cleaning job which I am addmitidly slack about - thank god for my wife who keeps my ass in check on it.
Your eating schedule will be dictated by work, errands, and training schedules- get used to it- being literally chained to the fridge and going out to clubs and such is a thing of the past- just not practical if you wanna rest and eat to grow.
Supplements will become a big part of your life- obviously eating that much whole food is a daunting task- protein powders and gainers are a must if you value not popping like a cork.
Joint supplements, multi vitamins, fish oils, digestive aids, fat burners, creatines, NO products, and a myriad of training and recuperative aids will become a pill popping adventure- beware the supplement trap- keep it simple and use only whats necessary.

Oh yes and speaking of joint pains.
TRAINING:
Many guys think that offseason means insane high volume workouts and a lot of them- well I beg to differ.
If you plan on getting bigger and stronger you will be lifting weights that are above and beyond your previous strength levels- this means a lot of wear and tear on joints and tendons- not too mention that if you are allready a sizable guy that your body will take longer to recuperate the fibers you destroy more and more of with each subsequent workout. You will adopt a training methodology that will allow proper recuperation between lifting.
Currently Im training EOD- thats right every 48 hours or so- thats how much longer its taking me to get over the damage Im doing each workout now- if you are lifting heavy and using any modicum of intensity you will quickly see that your body will break down faster and faster- be smart and listen to it- once the aches and pains become a cummalitive grouping it will be hard to do every day tasks- even with recuperation the stress of heavy training will leave you hurting on a daily basis- pain will become your bedfellow- deal with it- its what it takes to drive on.
Injuries will occur- best bet is to try not to get hurt doing things stupidly- and avoiding the big blow out injury that can sideline you for the entire off season.

SOCIAL LIFE:
Yeah right!
Get ready to give that up for the most part- not only will you want to dedicate any free time to rest and recuperation - you will be too damn tired to really socialize- especially when you are needing to eat all the time- not exactly the best in social settings.
Occasionally I go to a couple of my bber friends houses - they understand so its no big deal but- usually the need to be close to the food and couch are a dictating force in your life- bodybuilding is a lifestyle that really is not that integratable with most peoples everyday lifestyles of going out for drinks and such.
Not too mention the looks and strange questions you will have to put up with from J Q Public on a regular basis- I cant go to the gym or Target without being stopped by total strangers and asked silly ignorant questions...they dont know any better but it really doesnt make it any less annoying.
Women usually absolutely hate it- theres the Brad Pitt fight club look and then YOU- too big they will say- yuck, nasty veins, etc...etc...
You are not going to blend in- I have adopted a style of wearing completely oversized clothes to try to hide any semblance of size- I would rather be confused with someone who is just overweight- but its hard to hide at certain weights- get used to strangers asking you dumb shit- it will be part of every day life for a while.

DATING:
Well I got very lucky and met my wife who is completely supportive of my bodybuilding endeavors. But I can tell you she was the first one- most women hated the fact that it detracted from their attention and felt like it competed with them.
Not too mention- most just didnt understand it- a couple did but they were not that into it- going to the gym a couple times a week for maintenance purposes just isnt the same as squatting til your purple- they wanna go out and have a good time- which I can tell you - you will not really feel like doing if you are training and eating hard.
Bottom line is it will be hard to find someone who is understanding and patient enough to put up with your lifestyle- there out there but hard to find- very - and if you are in a relationship- dont be surprised at the strain it can put on it.

GROWING PAINS:
Well you think that you can only hurt from training?? WRONG...your bodyweight increasing week by week puts a lot of stress on support structures in your body- one of the first places you notice this is your feet- my left foot is now flat- the arch has slowly collapsed and internally pronated to the point I have to wear special orthodic inserts- to correct it.
Not only that but my left foot is a full size larger than my right- about 2 years ago I had a size 12 now I have a 14 and a 15...shoes are a bitch to find and buy at those sizes let me tell you.
The problem starts there and has worked its way up my leg into my hip and lower back- all this shit from a foot- and most of it from daily walking and standing only to be exacerbated by heavy lifting.
My shoulders and forearms stay in a perpetual state of soreness and cramp quite often- doing cardio is becoming harder and harder to do - pushing the extra weight around the neighborhood is like hiking up the side of a mountain sometimes- I dont even do calf workouts anymore since they are always sore from cardio.
Your proportions will change as well- get ready to lose the ability to reach all the way across your body e.g pinning yourself in the delt or tricep will be like being constricted by an Anaconda. Tieing your shoes is a real task and putting socks on is really a pain in the ass- I can see in a week or 2 that I will no longer be able to cut my toenails as my distention is now compressed against my upper thigh and impinges my diaphragm- nice sensation of having the wind pushed out slowly and feeling your face about to pop like a fat lady sat on you- ah yes the joys of size- pretty soon Ill need the dog nail trimmer to cut my own nails...oh yes and you will be shitting more from all that eating- get prepared for a lack of range of motion in the wiping department- and you will be spending a pretty penny on some TP.
Bumping into doorways and hitting your shins and stubbing your toes is going to occur with much more frequency now too- I seem to keep a scratch on either forearm from brushing by the corners of doors and things that put a scratch on me- now usually I am not so clumsy- but with a lot more me in the way I tend to not realize that I have less horizontal clearance- my wife calls it clumsiness I call it proportionately impaired.

DRUGS:
Holy Cow I could go on and on- but yes Anabolics, and peptides will become a regular thing and trying to find the best way to integrate them into your life is a real pain in the ass- excuse the pun.
First off- you really dont need as much AAS when consuming that much food- your body is going to be pretty anabolic and there is but so much new protein that can be synthesized each day- look how slow your nails and hair grow- thats protein synthesis in action.
But nonetheless I usually do anywhere from 750 -1000 mg of test and another 600-800 of deca with my weight gain season- I like to run HGH and IGF along with it to help with nutrient partitioning and keeping the joints healing at a bit faster rate while simultaneously keeping bf% down- but it can be even more expensive so I tend to spend less on drugs and more on food which should be the primary anabolic.
But AAS and fat burners will not be the only drugs- BP meds can be a regular part of the bulking proces- thats a lot of wieght and extra bf thats putting pressure on the miles of vascular system that you have- keep this in mind - your BP can be your worst enemy- I try to keep mine around 170/85 at the highest- anything above that is putting a great deal of stress on your heart and kidneys.
Keep your cholesterol in check as well with fish oils and niacin (flush free).
But many times I use other drugs such as the occasional T3, clen, and anti estrogen- its a lot even when scaled down- keep in mind that your health can be compromised if these things are not taken care of properly.
This doesnt even take into account the physical pain from that much pinning- I tend to spread out my injections into a EOD like pattern for more steady blood levels so even with long acting esters I shoot EOD- well depending on the mg of the gear and who made it sometimes you walk around like a huge punching bag full of sore injection sites- no matter how you rotate them its painful- compounded by an allready sore body from heavy lifting and its pain and more pain all day long- its enough to make you feel 20 years older- and god forbid the occasional serum sickness aka test flu- then your looking at a fever and body aches too- all in all you have to be mentally tough and love the life to gut that out on a daily basis.
And get ready for some ****ed up breathing- a set of stairs will make Darth Vader sound like a soprano comapared to your heavy breathing - and sleeping - you will want some breathe rights and a air humidifier- or you will suffer shitty sleep and self induced sleep apnea from a larger bodyweight.
Which if you think thats nothing - wait til your driving down the road in the afternoon about to fall asleep at the wheel from sleep debt, and the exhaustion catches up to your training- yeah real fun.

All in all this set of circumstances grows and gets worse and more exaggerated each passing week of weight gain which makes one outlook towards there final goal for the offseason look more and more out of reach and can really **** up motivation when you feel like its an impossible task- but bbing teaches you to believe in yourself so you keep plugging away and dealing with the day to day realities of it.
Some people will have the genetics to not experience some of this- their bodies can carry more muscle and weight- for the rest of us mere mortals a secondary layer of stress awaits us.
So you still wanna be HYUGE??