Popping the question...

[Flier]

This is kind of funny....

I´ve been thinking really hard last few weeks/months if I should get serious with my 2 y on/off GF.

Problem is....I got off a 18 month "cycle" this summer, and now trying to recover, with my test currently 12(8-35)
During those 18 months my test was higher, and my interest of getting serious lower.....just having a blast.
Now that my test was in the gutter, and slowly recovering, getting serious with her seems safe, in a way....lol.....really!

So, guys, do you have a rule?
What should the Test level be when making such a life altering decision?
I´m starting to think making this type of decision with low test can be detrimental.
What if I get back on something next year, "wake up" and realize....what the fvck have I done.....

[DIESELPWR]

I don't think your test level should have anything to do with it.. I think u will know on or off what u really want

[ecruz]

i agree with diesel.maybe your over thinking it, i mean on cycle we tend to be a "bit" more excited and free spirited, full of energy and "attention" but now yo in the recovery stage and and 18 month cycle would take its toll on anyone. perhaps you body in general is recovering and not only your test..imho dont waste time and just do it!! the fact that you have actually given it some thought seems to say to me that she's worth it!!

[Times Roman]

are you asking if there is a correlation between your test levels and whether or not you should pop the question???

you might be better off checking the astrology section of your local newspaper?
you need to make sure jupiter is aligned with mars, and the moon is in the seventh house.
Then and only then should you pop the question.

The other thing to consider is the sports section. If oakland comes back from behind and wins the division, then that is ALWAYS a good time to pop the question.

Good luck!

[JohnnyVegas]

It isn't the test levels I worry about, it is the "on-off" part. Last thing anyone needs is an "on-off" marriage.

[dec11]

I don't think your test level should have anything to do with it.. I think u will know on or off what u really want

agreed, although low test can have one feeling alittle sorry for themselves and may lead to seeking comfort in ways

[scaramouche]

Save yourself a lot of trouble mate and dont ask. You should only ask if you truly want someone to run your life for you and you accept youll do a whole load of things you dont want to.

[dec11]

Save yourself a lot of trouble mate and dont ask. You should only ask if you truly want someone to run your life for you and you accept youll do a whole load of things you dont want to.

see i dont agree with taht mate, my fiance never imposes anything on me or has never told me not to do something. AAS, motorbikes and even bouncing in a lap dance club would piss most women off but she has never complained once

[JohnnyVegas]

see i dont agree with taht mate, my fiance never imposes anything on me or has never told me not to do something. AAS, motorbikes and even bouncing in a lap dance club would piss most women off but she has never complained once

Agreed.

My wife and I have a firmly established "you're not the boss of me" policy. It is never a problem because I worked hard to find and marry someone that I am extremely compatible with. Marry someone that is the right fit, and you won't have to worry about someone making you do things you don't want to do.

[bikeral]

I used to say "It's cheaper to keep her". Now I say "do you know why divorce is so expensive?" "Because its worth it"
That's just my .02.
In any case I would say wait a couple of months till all your levels are good to make sure you are not making bad decision because you are a bit depressed with low T etc. after long cycle.

[dec11]

Agreed.

My wife and I have a firmly established "you're not the boss of me" policy. It is never a problem because I worked hard to find and marry someone that I am extremely compatible with. Marry someone that is the right fit, and you won't have to worry about someone making you do things you don't want to do.

exactly. i wouldnt entertain a high maintenance woman cos as soon as things arent going her way, awy she will go

[BrownGirl]

I honestly don't think your test levels should have anything to do with it. Either you want to spend the rest of your life with her or you don't. I don't know the reasons behind you guys being ON/OFF for 2 years but that doesn't seem like a solid base IMO. Either way though, good luck and hope it all works out for you!

[Flier]

Well, I meant it as a little funny observation.
But seriously, ofcourse test level alter our decisionmaking.

I am positive for those of you who cycled, you would not have been in the spot you are today in this process called life.
You have all made decisions due to the high test, you would otherwise not have made.
And life is like compounded savings. Make a decision at age 30 to place $100/month in a 5% interest bearing account. When you´re 60, you´ve got $84k.
A small decision early in life could have a great impact later in life.

As an example, on high test, we will be more of who we are, we will get up earlier, talk more, befriend more, eat more, go out more, feel more/be more.
All this leads to a different behavioral pattern, and changes the coarse of life. Even though you get off after 12 weeks, the changes has already been made.

Regarding my decision, I think more about getting serious with her now because of low test because the low test makes me more lethargic, less active, less approachable, less adventurous, less initiative, all leading to wanting more security and and feeling safe. Hence locking her in for the future, so I don´t have be lonely or look for someone else with my current low test state of mind.
However as you see, I am writing this, hence aware of it, and takes this too into consideration.
This is a curiosity more than anything else, right, but interesting.
And as I said in the OP, especially this decision which is involving a high degree of feelings, will be greatly affected on high/low Test and Estrogen, as these altered levels makes us "feel" a lot.

[Dukkit]

This thread is blowing my mind.

Im going to forget I ever read this thread. And Ill just blame that choice on my test levels.

[BrownGirl]

this thread is blowing my mind.

Im going to forget i ever read this thread. And ill just blame that choice on my test levels.

^^ lol

[Knockout_Power]

I´m starting to think making this type of decision with low test can be detrimental..

why do you think its so difficult for women to make decisions? Hormone levels cause too much emotion in decision making.

[Flier]

This thread is blowing my mind.

Im going to forget I ever read this thread. And Ill just blame that choice on my test levels.

Lol...too late.
By spending time on this thread, it removed you from doing something else, insignificant now but may very well have a huge impact later in life.
If you take time to reply again, maybe even greater impact.
Flier, made an impact on your life today! Take that with you into your Holidays.

[cherrydrpepper]

Never married never engaged. Heres my official take.

Marriage is about children. You should not get married unless you want this woman to bear your children. That should be the motivating factor in full totality. 100%. Some of the other stuff matters like being compatible so you don't leave the kids with a broken home, but there is NO REASON to get married unless your desire is to have children with them.

There are exceptions there are always exceptions. I have a friend his wife is very sick and cannot have children. He is either gay or bi and she doesn't know it (he came on to me the day we met). They have a very special bond that most people could never understand, and I have the highest level of respect for them, him particularly for staying with someone because they need him.

If you don't think marriage is about kids, and it is, because kids are a God thing, you have no further to look than your heroes. Every one of your heroes has gotten tired of beating the same p**** up. Every one of them. If you doubt this, go to wikipedia. Think of your top 5 heroes, or if you don't have 5 heroes, think of your 5 favorite celebrities you have always looked up to. Divorce, cheating, womanizing, etc is what you are going to find.

[dec11]

Never married never engaged. Heres my official take.

Marriage is about children. You should not get married unless you want this woman to bear your children. That should be the motivating factor in full totality. 100%. Some of the other stuff matters like being compatible so you don't leave the kids with a broken home, but there is NO REASON to get married unless your desire is to have children with them.

There are exceptions there are always exceptions. I have a friend his wife is very sick and cannot have children. He is either gay or bi and she doesn't know it (he came on to me the day we met). They have a very special bond that most people could never understand, and I have the highest level of respect for them, him particularly for staying with someone because they need him.

If you don't think marriage is about kids, and it is, because kids are a God thing, you have no further to look than your heroes. Every one of your heroes has gotten tired of beating the same p**** up. Every one of them. If you doubt this, go to wikipedia. Think of your top 5 heroes, or if you don't have 5 heroes, think of your 5 favorite celebrities you have always looked up to. Divorce, cheating, womanizing, etc is what you are going to find.

why? ive never ever wanted kids nor does my fiance and we wont be having any, marriage just isnt about children

[Macon_Bacon]

why? ive never ever wanted kids nor does my fiance and we wont be having any, marriage just isnt about children

Agreed. It's about tax benefits...right?

[Flier]

Never married never engaged. Heres my official take.

Marriage is about children. You should not get married unless you want this woman to bear your children. That should be the motivating factor in full totality. 100%. Some of the other stuff matters like being compatible so you don't leave the kids with a broken home, but there is NO REASON to get married unless your desire is to have children with them.

There are exceptions there are always exceptions. I have a friend his wife is very sick and cannot have children. He is either gay or bi and she doesn't know it (he came on to me the day we met). They have a very special bond that most people could never understand, and I have the highest level of respect for them, him particularly for staying with someone because they need him.

If you don't think marriage is about kids, and it is, because kids are a God thing, you have no further to look than your heroes. Every one of your heroes has gotten tired of beating the same p**** up. Every one of them. If you doubt this, go to wikipedia. Think of your top 5 heroes, or if you don't have 5 heroes, think of your 5 favorite celebrities you have always looked up to. Divorce, cheating, womanizing, etc is what you are going to find.

I couldn´t agree more.
Never understood why anyone would consider marrying someone if they are not gonna have kids. Roommates for life? What on earth do they do together after 5...10 years? Unless ofcourse you are lucky and find your "soulmate".
I actually rather have the kids first, then marry if she wants to. What if we can´t have kids?
Having kids is a huge investment for the future. Think of how much richer life becomes when we are 50-60-70-80 years, our kids finding partners and adding to the family, grandkids, graduations, Holidays filled with generations.
One of the saddest things I see is lonely old people.
My life is pretty perfect right now, so I don´t need to make any changes, but planning ahead is more important.

[gixxerboy1]

why? ive never ever wanted kids nor does my fiance and we wont be having any, marriage just isnt about children

I agree. Neither of us want kids either.
I was talking to her on the phone and told her another 1 of our friends just had a baby girls. Thats 2 within the last few months. So i go i guess we have to work on having a boy. She hung up on me

[calgarian]

I agree. Neither of us want kids either.
I was talking to her on the phone and told her another 1 of our friends just had a baby girls. Thats 2 within the last few months. So i go i guess we have to work on having a boy. She hung up on me

u let her do that??? pvssy whipped

[gixxerboy1]

u let her do that??? pvssy whipped

hey im pvssy,ass and titty whipped sir

[HitIt]

sounds more like high e than low t

[Eddie_m63]

I couldn´t agree more.
Never understood why anyone would consider marrying someone if they are not gonna have kids. Roommates for life? What on earth do they do together after 5...10 years? Unless ofcourse you are lucky and find your "soulmate".
I actually rather have the kids first, then marry if she wants to. What if we can´t have kids?
Having kids is a huge investment for the future. Think of how much richer life becomes when we are 50-60-70-80 years, our kids finding partners and adding to the family, grandkids, graduations, Holidays filled with generations.
One of the saddest things I see is lonely old people.
My life is pretty perfect right now, so I don´t need to make any changes, but planning ahead is more important.

Couldn't agree more.

[JD250]

sounds more like high e than low t

Yep, and I sure as shit wouldn't make an important decision when hormone levels are known to be off a little. This should be a no brainer on this forum.

[dec11]

I couldn´t agree more.
Never understood why anyone would consider marrying someone if they are not gonna have kids. Roommates for life? What on earth do they do together after 5...10 years? Unless ofcourse you are lucky and find your "soulmate".
I actually rather have the kids first, then marry if she wants to. What if we can´t have kids?
Having kids is a huge investment for the future. Think of how much richer life becomes when we are 50-60-70-80 years, our kids finding partners and adding to the family, grandkids, graduations, Holidays filled with generations.
One of the saddest things I see is lonely old people.
My life is pretty perfect right now, so I don´t need to make any changes, but planning ahead is more important.

so kids are the only reason you'd be with someone you didnt want to be with? if you feel tht, keep that ring in your pocket lol

[BrownGirl]

I couldn´t agree more.
Never understood why anyone would consider marrying someone if they are not gonna have kids. Roommates for life? What on earth do they do together after 5...10 years? Unless ofcourse you are lucky and find your "soulmate".
I actually rather have the kids first, then marry if she wants to. What if we can´t have kids?Having kids is a huge investment for the future. Think of how much richer life becomes when we are 50-60-70-80 years, our kids finding partners and adding to the family, grandkids, graduations, Holidays filled with generations.
One of the saddest things I see is lonely old people.
My life is pretty perfect right now, so I don´t need to make any changes, but planning ahead is more important.

That's kind of sad. So you wouldn't get married to her if she can't have kids?? What if YOU can't have kids? What about adoption? Also kids shoudn't be the only reason to be with someone.....IMO

[BrownGirl]

so kids are the only reason you'd be with someone you didnt want to be with? if you feel tht, keep that ring in your pocket lol

^^^ Agree.

[Macon_Bacon]

hey im pvssy,ass and titty whipped sir

Don't blame you. Your avi's are driving me nuts.

[Thenard]

Go for it, it's only marriage, and the rest of your life... why not?

[Flier]

Yep, and I sure as shit wouldn't make an important decision when hormone levels are known to be off a little. This should be a no brainer on this forum.

Excactly what I meant in my OP. It really makes a difference in the way we perceive things.

so kids are the only reason you'd be with someone you didnt want to be with? if you feel tht, keep that ring in your pocket lol

Not quite. I wouldn´t want to be with someone who do not want kids.

That's kind of sad. So you wouldn't get married to her if she can't have kids?? What if YOU can't have kids? What about adoption? Also kids shoudn't be the only reason to be with someone.....IMO

That´s why I wrote WE. I might not be able either. No adoption.
Kids are of course not the only reason. However kids and family is the reason (for me) to even date a woman (today, being in my 40´s, there is a time for everything. Dating for the sake of dating is in the past). Then ofcourse compatible in many other areas before considering having kids. Educational, Spiritual, Intellectual, Cultural, Sexual, Age, Appearance, Sence of humor, Chemistry, Vision for future...etc

Go for it, it's only marriage, and the rest of your life... why not?

An obstacle to overcome. And just a unnatural, weird human idea. Started with Christianity didn´t it?
And ended up being the most broken promise ever probably. How can we promise to be with someone forever when we don´t know where/who/how we are 20 years from now. I guess it´s all in the marriage wows. We don´t really have to promise each other that the marriage shall last until we die.

[HitIt]

based on your last paragraph it does't sound like marriage is for you. you sound like you are full of doubt on the whole idea of it. marriage isn't a christian invention btw.

[SlimmerMe]

Educational, Spiritual, Intellectual, Cultural, Sexual, Age, Appearance, Sence of humor, Chemistry, Vision for future...etc and the most important: Captures your heart.


An obstacle to overcome. And just a unnatural, weird human idea. Started with Christianity didn´t it? Nope

based on your last paragraph it does't sound like marriage is for you. you sound like you are full of doubt on the whole idea of it. marriage isn't a christian invention btw.

Exactly.

[Testosterone.]

Don't do it man. Just buy her a promise ring or something. The marriage feelings will wear off next time she's on her period, BET!

[SexySweetheart]

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[dec11]

Don't do it man. Just buy her a promise ring or something. The marriage feelings will wear off next time she's on her period, BET!

i think its mature views that he is after lol

[G-1000]

No mater what< this is the time you should listen to that voice in your head..

Don't do it!!!

[Flier]

based on your last paragraph it does't sound like marriage is for you. you sound like you are full of doubt on the whole idea of it. marriage isn't a christian invention btw.

Ok, I looked it up. Wiki had a great article. I guess we don´t know the origin. Here is one reason from Wiki
"Various cultures have had their own theories on the origin of marriage. One example may lie in a man's need for assurance as to paternity of his children. He might therefore be willing to pay a bride price or provide for a woman in exchange for exclusive sexual access"

Exactly.

The heart....
Sadly, I may never have loved, and probable never will. Not even sure I know what/how it is. I really never missed anyone, as when I am away from my GF´s, I never miss them. I have never been "heartbroken", as I see many of my friends (men and women)
So if I am going to wait until someone captures my heart, I will probably never find anyone.

Don't do it man. Just buy her a promise ring or something. The marriage feelings will wear off next time she's on her period, BET!

LOL.....

Your prob going to have concerns or doughts no mater how madly in love you are or how long you wait, and people do grow and change as the years go on ... the relationship you have today will only change with marrige if you want it too or if you let it. It takes 2 people, so setting down a parimiter of what you expect or deserve or would like ..is key I think.
I didnt do this my 1st marrige (15years) and so this time round even tho Im insanely in love, I asked for a 2year engagement... 2 years of living together gave us the time too know exactly the person we are marring , how our relationship will be, tweeking things as we go with the freedom to walk a way if we see that this relationship isnt quite everything we desire.
Waiting to ask if your concerned about hormons is a good idea, but just cuz you ask~ doesnt mean you cant change your mind and walk away later

We don´t have the luxury of trying out for 2 years (age and geography), that would be the best though.
The subject of the OP was a little misleading. My decision at the moment was not to ask for marriage, but to come inside (get pregnant). I really want kids, and I want them now, (in my 40´s.) I would never do the 20-30 y. younger girl from South America or import from Eastern Europe or Asia just to have kids when I´m in my 50´s-60´s as I see many men do, I want a compatible partner to enjoy the kids with.
The marriage thing.....like I said before, what is marriage? I´m not going to marry just because everybody else do it, can´t stand sheep heard mentality.
So inspired by this thread, I asked what marriage is to her, and she kind of saw things my way......how can we promise each other to "love forever", or "stay together until death do us apart"?
All marriage is, is a selection of promises, that the couple should carefully choose, and not use something religion or culture has made up.
And like she said, the wows should contain faithfulness, commitment, care and respect AS LONG AS WE ARE GOOD FOR EACH OTHER / As long as we uplift each other. This makes sense to me.
As to coming inside, we had a long talk, and decided to wait purely due to logistics.....for now. She kind of wants to do things the "right way"...lol.

As for the subject in the OP (Hormone level) my last one from 10 days ago came in at 8 (8-35)
This was at 2pm after my workout. With my balls seriously shrunk. (They do that at the gym and especially when taking 1MR or Jack 3D.)

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE!!