Heterosexual orientation question?

[Times Roman]

Just say we lived in a society where the normal chemistry is that same sex attractions/relationships were the norm, and male/female sex was not only a rare thing, but most of society thought it to be very distasteful, even disgusting.

Next. You are a heterosexual in this society, and the religious nuts say male/female sexual relations are a sin.

Next. Because you want to make your family and church happy (I mean really, who wants to be a sinner, right?), and you want to conform, you have agreed to undergo treatment for your sexual orientation dysfunction.

So, my question is this. What type of treatment would it take for you to change your orientation, and now become honestly attracted to the same sex? Do you really think that at the conclusion of this treatment, you would really be "cured" our do you think you would more than likely be "faking" it?

This is a serious question, one that I'm sure many of our bi or gay members have had to think about.

What are your thoughts on this subject?

[DSM4Life]

There is no treatment to that can make a person change their orientation. People who think is possible are just close minded. Ask a straight person if he can be treated to sleep with a guy and hate women and he will laugh in your face. I have the same reaction when the question is directed at me. I will look always be attracted to both sexes but at the sametime i respect the person i am with and never stray.

[Times Roman]

^ which is kinda my point. but there are groups out there, (I don't buy into their treatment/philosophy) that seriously believe they can somehow "cure" someone's orientation

tbh, there is no way in hell someone can get me to change my mind about switching my orientation, whatever that orientaton may be.

I knew you'd have some good insight, but was trying to get some others in here that may not have thought things all the way through yet. which is why i set up the scenerio the way i did....

[Shol'va]

They would be faking it. I've seen those shows where these religious organizations like Exodus try to change a person's orientation through prayer and group sessions, but in the end these guys are always struggling when they see a hot dude on the street and turn their heads and lust after the guy. So in their hearts and minds they are still gay whether they act on it or not. And that is what is all boils down to, Whether you act upon your sexuality and hook up with another of your sex or stay monogomous,. Either way you are still a gay man, just a non practicing one and what does that really accomplish? It denies one of thier chance to really love another and be loved by following their heart. Then all of this anger and frustration builds up and the next thing you know the guy commits suicide. Way to go Exodus! So can these organizations really change a persons sexuality? No All they accomplish is denying a person to act upon their feelings and sexual desires. IMO they do way more damage, especially to the gay youth of today, then any good. Making them feel loving another person of the same sex is wrong. But these same religious organizations allow the priests to molest the choir boys...go figure...

[Scabtree]

Hard to know what is classified as sin these days. Some evangelical Christians believe that all women should have long hair, and men should have short hair... but who's to say? Who/what is the authority on ethics in our society?

"Who wants to go to Heaven with all those asshole angels?"
-Marilyn Manson

[Shol'va]

Hard to know what is classified as sin these days. Some evangelical Christians believe that all women should have long hair, and men should have short hair... but who's to say? Who/what is the authority on ethics in our society?

"Who wants to go to Heaven with all those asshole angels?"
-Marilyn Manson

This is my opinion and opinion only...As far as religion goes, I think it is a good thing for our society as it gives us all a moral guideline to live our everyday lives. But where it all goes wrong is when you get some in power who try to interpret the passages to fit their ideas and values and try to ram it down everyone's throat as the undisputed truth and make everyone follow it all to the letter as they see it. Same with the Koran and the others'. And this is also what causes so many wars as one group feels that their religion is the religion and all others must follow theirs and abandon their own. But people need to remember that when it comes to the Bible, the King James Bible, that it was written in another time and another era where everything was different. That is why the book is so difficult for a normal person to read and comprehend as you need a companion bible to explain the words and terminology of the passages as even in the past they had slang word in both the greek and Hebrew languages so you have to go back and translate those words to even begin to understand what they were talking about. And with the passages so near and dear to the evangelicals hearts on the subject of homosexuality, again if you are to go back and actually translate and understand the subject and object that the passage is referring to you will understand it does not mean what is actually translated to english in the book itself. As a matter of fact the translators of the King James Bible inserted a warning to the reader telling them that their were errors in translating the book from it's original Greek And Hebrew texts. But there are those among us that take the book directly written as gospel. Even in the book it says that it's an abomination to eat shellfish or to play with the skin of a pig. This was in the old testament. Like I say Religion has it's place in society but we must not allow some among us to use it for their ideas, morals and values or to control everyone. Sorry for the long post....

[JohnnyVegas]

I have religious friends and they are all extraordinarily good people. They are anti-gay and we only fight about it occasionally. One is actually Mormon and personally put money into the Prop 8 fight. My discussions with him were more...spirited.

I have nothing against people that are living by a strict code or set of rules. I respect them for it much more than people that say they are religious but DON'T follow the rules. It becomes a problem when they want everyone to follow their rules.

I have a personal connection with one person that is both seriously religious and gay. He decided to get a divorce and come out. He even came out to a small number of people, one of which was my wife. He moved ahead with splitting from his wife and quietly started to explore being gay for a short period of time. Then he disappeared and his Facebook status started popping as "so in love with my wife" and talking about God and church. He decided that his path to heaven was only possible if he turned his back on gay behavior and got counseling from the church. I respect his choice of heaven over worldly pleasures...but I don't expect a good outcome. My wife is ready to be there if it all implodes. I hope he finds happiness somewhere.

I do not think "conversion" is possible, but I think some people can raise the priority of one thing above another. I raised my dislike of the factory farming system above my love of tasty meat for years. But, much like gay conversions, it was temporary. Raising heaven/God above gay behaviors seems more powerful if the faith is there, but history shows that faith rarely wins over our true nature.

[alexISthrowed]

I never had to ask myself if I was straight, I have just always been that way. I feel the same thing goes for gay people, there's no cure or treatment.

[Shol'va]

I never had to ask myself if I was straight, I have just always been that way. I feel the same thing goes for gay people, there's no cure or treatment.

Everybody else asked it instead...

[alexISthrowed]

Everybody else asked it instead...

hahahahahahahaha, don't all boys play with barbies?

[JD250]

Unfortunately the whole "issue" stems from religion.......some still think that Christians are called to live under old testament rules.....in the new testament/ new covenant Jesus himself said that he would make it simple for all of us to understand and reduce all of his teachings into just 2 commandments "Love the lord your God with everything you have" and "love your neighbor as yourself".................we can't even get those two right.......good thing he died for our sins, ALL our sins!

Church is dismissed, carry on and don't be afraid to leave a little somethin somethin in the basket on your way out.

BTW....I like girls, always will.

[thegodfather]

For many years, stating that the Earth orbited the sun and not vice versa was herecy. It was also an abomination to cut the human body open and explore it. The Church for a thousand years kept a monopoly on 'science.' They have always unfortunately, been way behind the curve when it comes to science. So I imagine in 100 years or so, the Church will conceed, as accepted by most scientists today, that sexual orientatio is a genetic trait, unchangeable, incurable, and is no different than being born with brown eyes, brown hair, or any other such genetic trait.

[JohnnyVegas]

^^^^ Unfortunately, they are locked into some rules that were written before anyone knew anything about anything. I agree with you, but they will need to do some quick footwork to pull off what you said. I hope it happens in my lifetime so I can see those feet shuffling.

[lovbyts]

I think the treatment the makes a lot of heterosexual men turn gay is call marriage/divorce. Hell that would make most any man hate women in general. LOL
I think it's equal to shock therapy or a lobotomy.

[auslifta]

For many years, stating that the Earth orbited the sun and not vice versa was herecy. It was also an abomination to cut the human body open and explore it. The Church for a thousand years kept a monopoly on 'science.' They have always unfortunately, been way behind the curve when it comes to science. So I imagine in 100 years or so, the Church will conceed, as accepted by most scientists today, that sexual orientatio is a genetic trait, unchangeable, incurable, and is no different than being born with brown eyes, brown hair, or any other such genetic trait.

Good post, but I don't think it's genetic. There has been a couple of cases of identical twins and only one was gay. Also if it was genetic, then how did the genes ever pass on 1000 years ago.

[lovbyts]

Good post, but I don't think it's genetic. There has been a couple of cases of identical twins and only one was gay. Also if it was genetic, then how did the genes ever pass on 1000 years ago.

But it is genetic and it's social and it's environment and it from abuse and it from choice and it from xxxxxx everything, all of them, none of them or a mix/match. It's not any one thing and we need to stop trying to figure out why except for the exceptions when it's from abuse then it's a criminal case, not a fix him/her case.

Also, I'm sure it wont be long and we will be able to choose if we want a boy/girl, blue or brown eyes, blond, black, brown or red hair for our children.

[Shol'va]

Good post, but I don't think it's genetic. There has been a couple of cases of identical twins and only one was gay. Also if it was genetic, then how did the genes ever pass on 1000 years ago.

Randomization...the luck of the draw. The genetic material of both parents having certain unique markers that when combined produce the gay gene.

[Times Roman]

I have religious friends and they are all extraordinarily good people. They are anti-gay and we only fight about it occasionally. One is actually Mormon and personally put money into the Prop 8 fight. My discussions with him were more...spirited.

I have nothing against people that are living by a strict code or set of rules. I respect them for it much more than people that say they are religious but DON'T follow the rules. It becomes a problem when they want everyone to follow their rules.

I have a personal connection with one person that is both seriously religious and gay. He decided to get a divorce and come out. He even came out to a small number of people, one of which was my wife. He moved ahead with splitting from his wife and quietly started to explore being gay for a short period of time. Then he disappeared and his Facebook status started popping as "so in love with my wife" and talking about God and church. He decided that his path to heaven was only possible if he turned his back on gay behavior and got counseling from the church. I respect his choice of heaven over worldly pleasures...but I don't expect a good outcome. My wife is ready to be there if it all implodes. I hope he finds happiness somewhere.

I do not think "conversion" is possible, but I think some people can raise the priority of one thing above another. I raised my dislike of the factory farming system above my love of tasty meat for years. But, much like gay conversions, it was temporary. Raising heaven/God above gay behaviors seems more powerful if the faith is there, but history shows that faith rarely wins over our true nature.

I agree with you. Seems improbable to change someones orientation. Much easier to be a celebate gay if that is your thing. You can still be gay, with no denial of who you are, and then also openly admit the celebacy thing too. Yeah, I dunno... that would be alot of personal info though. But probably better than living a lie?

[auslifta]

But it is genetic and it's social and it's environment and it from abuse and it from choice and it from xxxxxx everything, all of them, none of them or a mix/match. It's not any one thing and we need to stop trying to figure out why except for the exceptions when it's from abuse then it's a criminal case, not a fix him/her case.

Also, I'm sure it wont be long and we will be able to choose if we want a boy/girl, blue or brown eyes, blond, black, brown or red hair for our children.

They can already do that, weather it's legal/ethical or not is another question

[auslifta]

Randomization...the luck of the draw. The genetic material of both parents having certain unique markers that when combined produce the gay gene.

gay gene? I'm not buying it especially when I saw that identical twins story. Maybe it was other factors but I'm not convinced of a gay gene.

[bikeral]

My main take on this thread is for all the anti-gay people out there how would you feel if the roles were reversed and the heterosexuals were an abomination and being gay was the norm. I don't know what makes someone gay but just like I do not like anyone telling me what to or how to live; I certainly will not judge anyone else.

[Times Roman]

^ sounds like you just "might" be a closet Libertarian?


....go Raun Paul!!!

(btw... i came out of the "closet" years ago and am quite open about my being a Libertarian!)

[Times Roman]

^ and none of you "blokes" needs to fix that last comment. Someone's going to reply with quote, edit out, "Libertarian" and put in Gay, and call it "fixed"

hardy har har!

[bikeral]

You would never guess if you saw me in person.

[JohnnyVegas]

gay gene? I'm not buying it especially when I saw that identical twins story. Maybe it was other factors but I'm not convinced of a gay gene.

The research I have read on identical twins point toward genetics. The fact that 100% of separated identical twins are not gay is not proof that it isn't genetic. It is much more frequent, and in line with other traceable genetic traits like certain diseases that are genetic and are never shared by separated identical twins at an incredibly high rate even approaching 100%.

[SexySweetheart]

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[Spears88]

I guess to answer your question I couldn't be gay even if I was forced..

I don't have a problem with it well I did have a problem with it not gonna lie till this summer... My cousin came out to me and said he was gay I asked him why and he told me he couldn't help it. I guess all I'm trying to say is I didn't believe the I was born this way till he said something to me. We talked for awhile and now I'm more educated about the whole thing..

So I guess I'd still be with a woman and be the outsider because you can't help what you feel

[Times Roman]

You would never guess if you saw me in person.

how so? you make Andre the Giant look like a girly man? =)

[Times Roman]

I had seen a movie that was baced on almost the same thing as your thread.. Was very interresting.
The females ended up taking over the world due to a world war and most men dieing in it..the women were sick of wars/the way men leaders ran the world so like almost all men are dead and the woemen turn to lesbianisum...some love it others struggle with the sex part.

My thoughts are that for me personaly, I would prob adapt and find a lovely women to share a life with ...but have my BOB (battery opperated boyfriend) in the nightstand

you are not the first female I've heard refer to her toy that way.... BOB!

[bikeral]

how so? you make Andre the Giant look like a girly man? =)

Pretty much look like a serial killer crossed with a biker. I'm working on my appearance though, getting tired of scaring the kids on Halloween.

[paulzane]

Times ..... you have far too much time on your hands!

[Shol'va]

Times ..... you have far too much time on your hands!

That's probably not all he has all over his hands...lol