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Politicians want submit a bill to waive taxes on the prize money our Olympians make from their metals because they are representing our country, BUT why is it they don't waive the taxes of the Men and Women who put their lives on the line in our military? Does EVERYTHING have to be political? I'm sick of our cluster fuk of a government. Both sides are making us look like idiots.
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so i guess someone who wins a Gold, Silver, Or bronze is more important then the men and woman who risk their lives to have some of the freedoms we enjoy. As TR would say "this is a head scratcher"
These decisions make me think of how would our founding fathers view this countries treatment towards their soilders?
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We get tax free combat pay in theater ..that's it. Its not even that much;/ it should be doubled or tripled imo.
Last edited by Razor; 08-10-2012 at 12:10 AM.
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I agree but they lowered it.Originally Posted by Razor
Great post admin. Thank you.
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I never quite got the point of taxing people who work for the government. IF the government thinks they're giving them too much money, just pay them less. I'm sure there can differences in exemptions and number of kids etc that affect taxing, but still.
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I think I should be exempt from paying federal and state taxes. I'm representing America by going to work every day and not being a free-loader on welfare.
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great post admin. just the president trying to buy more votes.
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When I am watching tv and I see a bullshit ad come on about the character of someone who is running for president, It makes me crazy! Everything about this country is more and more and more. What I mean by that is, this year the politics are worse than last year, the handouts are more than last year, the laws are bent more than last year, things are acceptable this year that was unthinkable last year! it NEVER ends. We spend more than we spent last year, food stamps than their was last year, taxes are more than last year, rules are more than last year...more more more!!!
Do the idiots running this country NOT see that we will quickly reach the point where turning around and going a different direction is going to be impossible? I'd like to see what would happen if the ALL the people who take on ALL the financial burden for this country just decided to not pay. They talk about paying your fair share and equal rights. BULLSHIT Punish the hard working business owners and create more government jobs..... thats a great plan. Once the businesses leave the country or go out of business, I wonder how the KING will pay for everything. Oh, and while im on it, why dont we keep sending all of our tax dollars over seas, wasting it with government programs who are not being regulated, or paying 5000% more for something just becuase its bought by the govt? How is it that every American MUST budget and balance their money or they will be on the street and the govt doesnt even have a budget?? How is it that they dont have a budget when we are already broke and spending money that we dont have? I'd like a bail out if I fall on my face please.... how about you? BULLSHIT
Sorry, I had no place to rant and my wife doesnt want to hear it any more
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someone def pissed in your cherrios! yeah, our country is going to shit. its the old greedy bastards that need to get out of congress. i think they all should have one year, and that's it. do what you say you are going to do or get out!When I am watching tv and I see a bullshit ad come on about the character of someone who is running for president, It makes me crazy! Everything about this country is more and more and more. What I mean by that is, this year the politics are worse than last year, the handouts are more than last year, the laws are bent more than last year, things are acceptable this year that was unthinkable last year! it NEVER ends. We spend more than we spent last year, food stamps than their was last year, taxes are more than last year, rules are more than last year...more more more!!!
Do the idiots running this country NOT see that we will quickly reach the point where turning around and going a different direction is going to be impossible? I'd like to see what would happen if the ALL the people who take on ALL the financial burden for this country just decided to not pay. They talk about paying your fair share and equal rights. BULLSHIT Punish the hard working business owners and create more government jobs..... thats a great plan. Once the businesses leave the country or go out of business, I wonder how the KING will pay for everything. Oh, and while im on it, why dont we keep sending all of our tax dollars over seas, wasting it with government programs who are not being regulated, or paying 5000% more for something just becuase its bought by the govt? How is it that every American MUST budget and balance their money or they will be on the street and the govt doesnt even have a budget?? How is it that they dont have a budget when we are already broke and spending money that we dont have? I'd like a bail out if I fall on my face please.... how about you? BULLSHIT
Sorry, I had no place to rant and my wife doesnt want to hear it any more
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terrible
thats why you open your own business and learn to work the system fellas
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Its coming. When whatever presnet comes into office and its still the same bullshit its time for the younger generation to put an end to the fat bible thumping bastards reign of ruining this country.
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Sorry many good points in this post. I want to know what happened to people trying to assassinate those in office who are greedy hungry fools who don't care at all about the people in this country.When I am watching tv and I see a bullshit ad come on about the character of someone who is running for president, It makes me crazy! Everything about this country is more and more and more. What I mean by that is, this year the politics are worse than last year, the handouts are more than last year, the laws are bent more than last year, things are acceptable this year that was unthinkable last year! it NEVER ends. We spend more than we spent last year, food stamps than their was last year, taxes are more than last year, rules are more than last year...more more more!!!
Do the idiots running this country NOT see that we will quickly reach the point where turning around and going a different direction is going to be impossible? I'd like to see what would happen if the ALL the people who take on ALL the financial burden for this country just decided to not pay. They talk about paying your fair share and equal rights. BULLSHIT Punish the hard working business owners and create more government jobs..... thats a great plan. Once the businesses leave the country or go out of business, I wonder how the KING will pay for everything. Oh, and while im on it, why dont we keep sending all of our tax dollars over seas, wasting it with government programs who are not being regulated, or paying 5000% more for something just becuase its bought by the govt? How is it that every American MUST budget and balance their money or they will be on the street and the govt doesnt even have a budget?? How is it that they dont have a budget when we are already broke and spending money that we dont have? I'd like a bail out if I fall on my face please.... how about you? BULLSHIT
Sorry, I had no place to rant and my wife doesnt want to hear it any more
I am sure we have a few snipers on this forum haha jk
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i think this day is closer than we may realize... the voting #s are decreasing and i wouldnt be surprised if there was a movement to have every one not vote as a peaceful protest and take more stands after that ...(i mean things must be realy bad if people are taking roseann barr serious as a pres runner lol)When I am watching tv and I see a bullshit ad come on about the character of someone who is running for president, It makes me crazy! Everything about this country is more and more and more. What I mean by that is, this year the politics are worse than last year, the handouts are more than last year, the laws are bent more than last year, things are acceptable this year that was unthinkable last year! it NEVER ends. We spend more than we spent last year, food stamps than their was last year, taxes are more than last year, rules are more than last year...more more more!!!
Do the idiots running this country NOT see that we will quickly reach the point where turning around and going a different direction is going to be impossible? I'd like to see what would happen if the ALL the people who take on ALL the financial burden for this country just decided to not pay. They talk about paying your fair share and equal rights. BULLSHIT Punish the hard working business owners and create more government jobs..... thats a great plan. Once the businesses leave the country or go out of business, I wonder how the KING will pay for everything. Oh, and while im on it, why dont we keep sending all of our tax dollars over seas, wasting it with government programs who are not being regulated, or paying 5000% more for something just becuase its bought by the govt? How is it that every American MUST budget and balance their money or they will be on the street and the govt doesnt even have a budget?? How is it that they dont have a budget when we are already broke and spending money that we dont have? I'd like a bail out if I fall on my face please.... how about you? BULLSHIT
Sorry, I had no place to rant and my wife doesnt want to hear it any more
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Its disgusting to watch such a great country continue to spiral. I am a VERY grateful American and when the lies get more and more outrageous, congress spends more time on playing politics instead of doing whats best for the country, and the only thing our elite government seems to want to do protect their seats and play political games to win the next election. When the govt doesnt have to follow the rules it passes for the rest of its citizens, what does that tell you?
Why would anyone take them seriously when it is a society of do as I say and not as I do? Whatever. When the people start to protest and the businesses leave to other countries who are already BEGGING for them to come to their country.... its going to be an extremely dark time for us. Lets just continue to kill ourselves to pay 15% of our income on gas, 40% on taxes, and then try to plan for the massive inflation we are seeing. Then, lets break our backs to put SOMETHING aside to retire on when we can no longer work. When does it stop? HOW does it stop? The line is just about too far out to ever pull it back in again.
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So fat bible thumpers have caused the problem.......O K
Admin..... I agree 100% on most of what you said but I DO believe we can turn it around....not under the current regime by any stretch of the imagination and probably not under Romney......but I think we can correct and return this country to where it needs to be.....the problem is that NOBODY is willing to sacrifice and do the hard things, we live in a society of lazy ass people who want what they believe is theirs and they want it NOW and without doing anything to earn it, I still have a ray of hope that enough people with work ethic and common sense could change things. I fight these bastards with every breath and take a lot of shit for it but I don't care, I like what our forefathers created, it's worth fighting for.
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Whats unfortunate is that the bailout occured for banking institutions which ran their business in an unsustainable and even negligent way, taking risks that no one would take in an ordinary market, yet there was no bailout for the middle class American citizen who works hard and lost their jobs as a RESULT of said unsustainable negligent business practices by big banks. It was not just the banks, the government was complicit in creating the ENVIRONMENT which encouraged those banking institutions to take outrageous risks, and to create the credit-default swap, the government laid the framework for that by wanting to encourage home ownership, and furthermore the problems were exacerbated by the Federal Reserves constant manipulation of the interest rates without regard for the state of the market.
What people fail to realize is that banks (and any business for that matter) failing is a GOOD thing. Businesses which run their operation in a responsible, sustainable, economically viable way are rewarded with more business, and those who run their business in a risky, unsustainable, unviable way are punished by going out of business. When the government stepped in and bailed out those banks/businesses which operated irresponsibly, they REWARDED bad behavior, and thus those businesses have no incentive to correct those poor choices. The moral hazard is palpable, once you bail them out once, there is nothing to stop them from putting their hands out again the next time that they run the business into the ground, it perpetuates poor business practices. All the while, hard working, middle class and upper middle class citizens had to lose their homes and livelyhood because of the risks those businesses took. I'm not speaking about the people who got mortgages that they knew they could not afford, I have little sympathy for those people, and dont buy into 'predatory lending,' I think thats a load of shit. I am simply referring to the large swaths of people who went to work everyday, paid their bills on time, and lost their jobs because of the economic downturn perpetrated by big business and government malfeasence. That is what chaps my ass.
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I agree with you on that and the messed up thing about bailing out all of those banks is when they were bailed out, it was to continue lending. They were supposed to use that money to loan, not to wipe out their mistakes. What has happened is the banks have had a huge mistake corrected and the share holders of the banks wiped the sweat off their brow and have since STOPPED lending@!!!!! Getting a loan NOW is a horrible process and many who should be given loans are not. The banks want "sure things" now and take almost no risk with who they lend money to. Business owners have the weight of running a business on their backs and it is almost impossible to have a 700 score. What did the banks learn? They learned that taking advantage of people and making bad business decisions was not a good thing. But in the end, they got a DO OVER. Many hard working men and women don't have a safety net like that and have lost everything due to the bad behavior of big banks. Instead of taking risks now, they are taking none.
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That's not even the bad part, the worst is yet to come, "we the people" still have to pay the bill for all these bailouts and other asshatery that's been going on.......so not only do we get screwed by the banks after the bailouts now we get to pick up the tab too.......fasten your seatbelts we're about to revisit the Carter years only 10 times worse. But I'm sure this administration will fix everything with "Q3" ..... right?
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The younger generation is going to be screwed big time.
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Thomas Jefferson spoke about this very thing in great detail. He warned the people that they would in time become lackadaisical, and in doing so, the government they had been given to control would take the control and turn it on them. He spoke on this countless times, about how struggle breeds the desire to preserve a well founded government that serves the people, but when the appreciation of that struggle diminishes the whole thing begins to fall apart. Jefferson would even state the entire governmental system should be scrapped every generation or so. Term limits in congress, and all the appointed positions that have no end in sight, the bureaucrats should be replaced just as if not more often. They should truly be jobs of service and not viewed as careers.
Protesting and complaining about the current state of insanity in the U.S. is all well and fine but it doesn't' accomplish much. When things get this bad there has to be righteous justice. That's not to imply beating people in the streets, but standing in the street holding cardboard sign isn't enough. There has to be action, an agreed action that is based on the love of your country and the desire to see it prosper in the way it was intended to.
The problem we have is most Americans don't realize how close to the cliff we are. They're primary concerns are their families, and that's a good thing, but beyond that their primary concern is hanging with their boys at Chili's and watching football on Sunday afternoon. There's no righteous anger, no action based on that anger and as a result, we continually fall.
It's kind of ironic when you think about it and extremely bothersome to me. Only about 20% of the population views themselves as liberal...I'm talking about hardline progressives yet it is this 20% that is destroying the country. The remainder classify themselves as moderate to conservative, yet their overall actions support the 20%. They call for smaller government, but each and everyone will take government assistance of some type if it's offered to them. They call for a social reconstruction of the country, one that holds to the original principles of the country and the strength of the family unit, yet they subject themselves to and support things in their own life that are contrary. Then it gets worse. When it comes time to vote, most will base this vote on the individuals likability. Did he graduate from a pristine university, does he look like someone I can relate to, is he standing up for the little guy, is he going to protect me if I fall down? I call that the worst part because none of it matters, yet it's exactly how most people vote. The media has killed the perception of our political figures. Instead the questions should be, does this man understand truth? Does he hold to a high position of integrity? Does he understand his job is to protect the liberty of the people and not infringe on it and to protect them from those who try to infringe. His job is not to create jobs, his job is to ensure the people are allowed to create jobs themselves. His job is to ensure the idea of self-reliance is preserved rather than destroyed. Well, there's more to it than that, that's the simplified version, but that simplified version says a lot to me.
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Term limits are something someone always brings up at some point, but they are actually very detrimental. The House of Representatives is the most sensitive body to the will of the people, because of their Bi-annual re-election cycles. The Senate is less so, because they're elected every 6 years, but they're still held to account for their voting record. So consider if you imposed term limits, say, every Congressmen and Senator was limited to 3 terms. So, you will have sessions of Congress where there is a large swath of Congressmen and Senators who are on their final 2 and 6 years of office, they have at this point, lost ALL accountability to the people, because they are not eligible for re-election, they can cast their votes in any manner they choose, because there exists no consequences for them doing so. It would amount to a 2-6 year 'lame duck' session of Congress. For those unfamiliar with the term, the lame duck session is the last session of Congress before the incumbents who lost their seats leave, and the new legislators take their place. It's one small session of Congress, but the statistics show that the voting of those lame duck Congressmen becomes extremely erratic and willy nilly, Why? Because they know they will be leaving office shortly having been voted out, they are no longer accountable to their constituents.
You brought up a valid point about how we elect our political figures, particularly our President. When questions are asked like, who has the best haircut, who has the best suit, who wore the best tie. I actually find most debates to be even a little bit lack luster to be quite honest. The reason is quite simple, politicians of either side of the aisle will always move towards the center during elections, in this period of time, everyone is a moderate, in order to appeal to the largest swath of voters possible. In my opinion, the ONLY information that matters is a candidates voting record in either the House, Senate, or as a Governor of a state (with regards to what bills they signed into law, and which ones they vetoed). Having a bunch of candidates get on stage, and start grandstanding, using catchy phrases like "we have to fight them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here," is meaningless because it gives us no insight into who that candidate is. For instance, Ron Paul has an impeccable voting record, you can compare these voting records with other candidates voting records very simply online, there are a number of institutions which do nothing but track candidates votes and rate them on a percentage scale with regards to every issue imagineable. What is a candidates record with gun rights, civil liberties, environmental issues, etc, and so on. There is a saying, the best predictor of what someone will do in the future, is what they have done in the past. This isn't to say that candidates can never change their positions or their ideology, but that is the exception and not the rule. That is why I find debates to be little more than grand standing and entertainment for the audience, its mostly for the unintelligent, uninvested voters who care not to take the time to research a candidate, and who make hasty judgements based on very superficial points.
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Agreed. And when they are on center stage, they say what they need to and twist words that give people what they want to hear. It has nothing to do with what really take place. Its all a huge lie and the common person could care less about politics because like Metalject says, PEOPLE dont care until it AFFECTS them personally. When most of the people finally do get affected and then decide to take action, its going to be too late. It will be chaos.
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I have yet to thank you for our service to our country. So THANK YOU for what you do and have done.
Back to the topic, that's the problem with this country some people think of Olympians as higher than our men and women in armed services. Makes me mad. Don't get me wrong I think what our Olympians do is great. Our service men an women are far better warriors in my mind. Different context I know but nonetheless.
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This is exactly why I stated a president should have some military background. Our military is so vast to not have a president who understands the sacrifices those men and woman make. They would think twice before bullying another country
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To the politicians our military are disposable so it doesn't matter. At least it seems that way. They don't know each individual so it's a numbers game, acceptable losses etc. I'm way more proud of our military men then I ever would be of our Olympic Kids. There is just no comparison imo. And for what these men have to endure and them constantly re-upping their combat tours of duty to serve and protect our nation, it's a no brainer to waive all taxes on them. This should not even enter the political arena and it should just be done. I mean these same politicians fall over each other to be the first ones to send multimillion dollar checks to countries that hate us and wish us harm? But won't give our military men a break in taxes as long as they are in the service? As far as the olympians being taxed on their medals. To me that is shameful disgrace and whoever passed that law should be thrown to the wolves. Man that's low life. These kids work their butts off to be the greatest we have and represent our nation with their parents often sacrificing so much in their lives to help make their kids dreams come true. Only to be given a slap after winning the medals to be heavily taxed on them. It's my understanding they cost 800 each to make and are being taxed at 9 grand per medal. If this is true it outrageous. This is just my opinion but I think most on here will agree.
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