Negative Effects of Marajuana on the Endocrine System

[Razor]

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http://www.ukcia.org/research/EndocrineEffects.pdf

I went to the doctor yesterday and after all the examines, blood tests and such at the end of it all she asked me if I smoked weed for medical purposes, I said yes for anxiety and insomnia, both of which it works very well at, but then she went on to say that it can effect estrogen receptors and prolactin and your endocrine system. So I started to do some digging and found this medical journal. It's a really good read, and I think everyone would learn a lot even if you use or dont use it. The more you know the better and the more we know about each other the greater our chances are for survival. So it seems to effect every part of your HTPA, GH, Thyroid and LH, (HPG)HYPOTHALAMIC- PITUITARY-GONADAL AXIS, etc. I hate having to take ambien to sleep that's why I use it but it seems it does more harm than good. So I'll have to figure out something else to help with sleep and anxiety and try to get off both. I didn't use any weed last night and could not sleep so I had to resort to ambien. Frustrated because I don't know which is worse benzo's are bad too.

Happy reading feel free to make suggestions or add any expertise.

[Times Roman]

most of the blokes i know that smoke it for "medical purposes" really only smoke it because they want to, and find a medical "excuse" to get the script.

not saying your "insomnia" isn't legit. but i think there are other, better ways to get to sleep than intoxication?

[Times Roman]

another thought....

after sex i fall asleep without much effort.

....ever try that? =)

[RaginCajun]

another thought....

after sex i fall asleep without much effort.

....ever try that? =)

That's what old people do! Young bucks always go for fifths!

[Razor]

most of the blokes i know that smoke it for "medical purposes" really only smoke it because they want to, and find a medical "excuse" to get the script.

not saying your "insomnia" isn't legit. but i think there are other, better ways to get to sleep than intoxication?

I could not agree with you more, most people use it as an excuse. I can use my roomate as an example. He gets home from work and starts smoking and drinking from 3pm till he goes to sleep at midnight. I cut him some slack because he is one of my closet friends and got both his legs blown off in Iraq and its I guess the way he deals with it, so I do not pass judgement, but I know he wants more out of life and I tell him you not going to get anywhere because weed and alchohal kills all motivation to do anything.

But I am a professional in the work place, I work 40 hours a week for the man, and then on my off time we build skateboards and makes clothes. During the week im in jeans and a tshirt turning wrenches and getting my hands dirty and working on diesel pump engines and on the weekends I'm in business casual going to meetings and meeting new clients and expanding out business. I dont have time to just get high all day and not accomplis, h anything. I always said my use is a productive, meaning at night when the day is over to relax me enough to ease me into bed, if I dont my mind is racing with thoughts of things I need to do, past shitty experiences and new ideas that I come up with. But after reading all this, I think the consequences out weigh the benefits.

When you have PTSD it affects your adrenal gland to constantly produce adrenalin. So I am always alert, awake with tons of energy, I dont usually get tired at the gym and it increases my workout effectiveness by a lot and when it comes to sleep im still the same way still alert with tons of energy, ive tried the melatonins and stuff and advil pm's and amiben, but just like cannibus over use can develop an addiction to you need it every night. Just does not do the trick. I feel like its a catch 22 for me, use this to help with one thing, but then it negatively effects other things and then I end up in golden handcuffs as my mom put it

But im more concerned about what cannibis does to your endocrine system, did you get a chance to read the journal?

[Razor]

That's what old people do! Young bucks always go for fifths!

I cant drink alcohol, it keeps me awake.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa41.htm

[< <Samson> >]

I already knew all this, I just wonder how bad?


I guess we shall see, now it is just Samson. . . . 420 has left the building.

[Razor]

I already knew all this, I just wonder how bad?


I guess we shall see, now it is just Samson. . . . 420 has left the building.

Your gonna give it up too?

[< <Samson> >]

Your gonna give it up too?

Already have, it makes me different and not for the better.

I have quite a few friends that smoke buds(for medicinal purposes of course) and are fully functional. Not me, I turn into a sloth idiot, that's not good.

Before I became unemployed I did not touch it for years and years. Since I am going back to school, that is where all my focus is going to go outside my home. Not to mention, I have a kid. I don't want to be that dad. . . Don't get me wrong I see people pull it off. But, how much better off would they be if they did not drop a few bills a month to get stupider.

[Razor]

Already have, it makes me different and not for the better.

I have quite a few friends that smoke buds(for medicinal purposes of course) and are fully functional. Not me, I turn into a sloth idiot, that's not good.

Before I became unemployed I did not touch it for years and years. Since I am going back to school, that is where all my focus is going to go outside my home. Not to mention, I have a kid. I don't want to be that dad. . . Don't get me wrong I see people pull it off. But, how much better off would they be if they did not drop a few bills a month to get stupider.

Thats good for you man! Considering it negatively effects every part of the endocrine system which is all used to promoting growth and muscle tissue and "Given the effects of marijuana on the HPG axis in males and the possibility that noncannabinoid components of marijuana smoke have affinity to the estrogen receptor."
Its a no brainer for me, I wish I had know this sooner weaning off is going to be hard enough. There was a time in my life when I didn't need it, so hopefully I can get back to that time again.

[< <Samson> >]

But, look at yourself man. . . . You are living proof that it doesn't effect you "that much" at least. You blew the fvck up and look solid as can be really.


Maybe you would be even better off if you didn't smoke the whole time. . . . . I dunno. . . . .

[Times Roman]

I could not agree with you more, most people use it as an excuse. I can use my roomate as an example. He gets home from work and starts smoking and drinking from 3pm till he goes to sleep at midnight. I cut him some slack because he is one of my closet friends and got both his legs blown off in Iraq and its I guess the way he deals with it, so I do not pass judgement, but I know he wants more out of life and I tell him you not going to get anywhere because weed and alchohal kills all motivation to do anything.

But I am a professional in the work place, I work 40 hours a week for the man, and then on my off time we build skateboards and makes clothes. During the week im in jeans and a tshirt turning wrenches and getting my hands dirty and working on diesel pump engines and on the weekends I'm in business casual going to meetings and meeting new clients and expanding out business. I dont have time to just get high all day and not accomplis, h anything. I always said my use is a productive, meaning at night when the day is over to relax me enough to ease me into bed, if I dont my mind is racing with thoughts of things I need to do, past shitty experiences and new ideas that I come up with. But after reading all this, I think the consequences out weigh the benefits.

When you have PTSD it affects your adrenal gland to constantly produce adrenalin. So I am always alert, awake with tons of energy, I dont usually get tired at the gym and it increases my workout effectiveness by a lot and when it comes to sleep im still the same way still alert with tons of energy, ive tried the melatonins and stuff and advil pm's and amiben, but just like cannibus over use can develop an addiction to you need it every night. Just does not do the trick. I feel like its a catch 22 for me, use this to help with one thing, but then it negatively effects other things and then I end up in golden handcuffs as my mom put it

But im more concerned about what cannibis does to your endocrine system, did you get a change to to read the journal?

I scanned it since i've read similar articles previously.

I enjoy the effects, but refuse to partake more than maybe once a year. It's too low a priority, and too much at stake, so it would be irresponsible of me to persue.

If I want a buzz, I prefer to do it the legal way, and enjoy a martini or a high ball......

[RaginCajun]

I cant drink alcohol, it keeps me awake.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa41.htm

Wasn't talking about alcohol, was talking about sex!

[Razor]

But, look at yourself man. . . . You are living proof that it doesn't effect you "that much" at least. You blew the fvck up and look solid as can be really.


Maybe you would be even better off if you didn't smoke the whole time. . . . . I dunno. . . . .

I didn't start smoking till after I made all my gains. This is sort a new thing for me, been doing it only the past few months. Could be a fluke Just trying to examine all the angles surrounding gyno and weed since the doctor brought it up and the journal mentions it. I stoped growing about 3 months ago and been in this holding pattern till now. Could be related to weed on why I have not grown in a while. But when I go back into hardware mode in a month or so, not going to smoke anything. And im going to stick to the basics of anabolics and growth

[doc w]

I'm not advocating smoking the bud and if you can give it up great, but it sounds like your effects are minimal. Have you tried GABA ? Works great for me?

[Times Roman]

there are a variety of "sleep aids" available....

GABA
melatonin
L-tryptofan
otc "sleep aid" at walmart

[< <Samson> >]

Well, either way no more for me - period. Maybe once a year or something like that. It's not going to kill me, but it sets me back and why do I need that?

[Razor]

Well, either way no more for me - period. Maybe once a year or something like that. It's not going to kill me, but it sets me back and why do I need that?

OK man you and me "Hi Im razor and samson, and I smoke weed" lol keep each other motivated and off the ganja ok?

[Razor]

Well I used keto last night and put me right to sleep. Thanks AR!

[< <Samson> >]

Yup, no mas buds. . . . . I still feel high strung like no other. It's been a week and now the most I seem to be sleeping is 7 hours flat. Now, I get so much more shit accomplished it's insane. Today alone I did more than I did in one week of being baked out of my mind.

Shit, I don't need uppers. . . I feel high strung like no other. I kinda like this high off life feeling. Killed it at the gym today, I mean murdered myself. It was just raining sweat around me. . . . .

[SexySweetheart]

RAZR...i didn’t realized you smoked, i would have mentioned this sooner if i had, sorry.

.. i remember you saying you had a breast tissue prob, something about nipple sensitivity and gyno (enlargement) pot causes this in men...happened to my X and he even considered surgery/ we went to specialist and a plastic surgeon at one point cuz it got so bad.
i strongly suggest quitting and finding an alt aide. forget about the many side effects of pot on the rest of the body when reg used...if you continue (from what i learned at the X Dr visits and specialist) your gonna have full on man boobs and pains if you continue to use, it’s gonna get worse: /

*also there have been a few times when you said you’re depressed, and pot increases depression effects..sounds like for you~ pot isn’t the best aide to help with sleep / anxiety

it may take some time and a revolving door of Dr visits before you find a pill that will meet your needs best with more desirable side effects ~ much luck ! take care of your self

[Razor]

Thx sexy my gyno is pretty much gone. The letro took care of it and I'm not smoking anymore!

I'm gonna use keto at night to help with sleep for a while till my body gets used to sleeping without it.

I'm getting healthier by the day. Eating sleeping and working out and drinking lots of water. The letro broke me so I'm rebuilding day by day.

[stpete]

RAZR...i didn’t realized you smoked, i would have mentioned this sooner if i had, sorry.

.. i remember you saying you had a breast tissue prob, something about nipple sensitivity and gyno (enlargement) pot causes this in men...happened to my X and he even considered surgery/ we went to specialist and a plastic surgeon at one point cuz it got so bad.
i strongly suggest quitting and finding an alt aide. forget about the many side effects of pot on the rest of the body when reg used...if you continue (from what i learned at the X Dr visits and specialist) your gonna have full on man boobs and pains if you continue to use, it’s gonna get worse: /

*also there have been a few times when you said you’re depressed, and pot increases depression effects..sounds like for you~ pot isn’t the best aide to help with sleep / anxiety

it may take some time and a revolving door of Dr visits before you find a pill that will meet your needs best with more desirable side effects ~ much luck ! take care of your self

Good post Sexy!

[SexySweetheart]

Thx sexy my gyno is pretty much gone. The letro took care of it and I'm not smoking anymore!

I'm gonna use keto at night to help with sleep for a while till my body gets used to sleeping without it.

I'm getting healthier by the day. Eating sleeping and working out and drinking lots of water. The letro broke me so I'm rebuilding day by day.

'GLAD to hear it!!
your so lucky to have these guys and the knowledge to have suggestions like this LETO yuo speak of, the Drs we saw said my X was basicly just gonna have to live with it, or have surgery...he still smokes..(not addictive my @ss lol) and has a rack some gals would pay money for

hope yu feel rite as rain, nice an soon

[< <Samson> >]

has a rack some gals would pay money for

Hmmm, the Raz with some moobies? It's just getting better and better. . . . Jk Jk

I just seen a guy at the gym with some mad gyno. It just made me feel bad, I dunno why but I just felt sorry for him. I think he noticed me look over once. He was wearing like a wrap last time to flatten out his chest. . . . Ouch. The rest of him looks pretty solid though. . . If it ever got that bad that shit would be getting removed. . . .Just a shitty side effect

[Razor]

'GLAD to hear it!!
your so lucky to have these guys and the knowledge to have suggestions like this LETO yuo speak of, the Drs we saw said my X was basicly just gonna have to live with it, or have surgery...he still smokes..(not addictive my @ss lol) and has a rack some gals would pay money for

hope yu feel rite as rain, nice an soon

Yup thanks to Atomi for all the support C_Bino for the letro thread and Ar-r for the chems and everyone's else's support through the trying times, I got overwhelming support. Everyone here is great, it's like a family and we take care of our people here.

[< <Samson> >]

Everyone here is great, it's like a family and we take care of our people here.

At least I am not on the Clomid any more. I would just sit here crying with happy tears. LoL

[Razor]

At least I am not on the Clomid any more. I would just sit here crying with happy tears. LoL

You turned commy red like gixx now or what?

Besides what you doing taking clomid, take some nolvadex or torem or both lol way better and no crying lol

[< <Samson> >]

You turned commy red like gixx now or what?

Turned? No, always have been

[Razor]

Turned? No, always have been

Your Russian? U changed your avi was what I was talking about

[< <Samson> >]

Your Russian?

Yup, Gixx asked before. . . Did the Raz miss a post? Maaan, u r slippin'. . .

[Razor]

Yup, Gixx asked before. . . Did the Raz miss a post? Maaan, u r slippin'. . .

You commy bastard on guard! Lol

[< <Samson> >]

You commy bastard on guard! Lol

Sheeeet. . . .

[travaldavas_taz]

Back to the topic... Yu should take some Tylenol pm
I guess that would work

[Razor]

Back to the topic... Yu should take some Tylenol pm
I guess that would work

Keto is better and non habit forming I think. I just ordered 6 bottles from ar lion
Plus is a great anti hystiamine, I tend to get congested at night before bed so it helps me breath
But thx for the suggestion I'll keep it in mind

nyways bedtime night guys

[Shol'va]

I only know how it affected me. For one it gave me the constant munchies for junk food at 3am. So off to Jack In The Box, Taco Bell, whatever was open that late. So now I'm on the road stoned driving at a time cops are out looking for a bust. Not a good idea, IMO. But it also made me lazy, no initiative, and forgetful, All unappealing attributes, so I didn't use it very long or much and it is years behind me now. I also smoked to forget my personal problems back then as well. And it worked great for that one...that is as long as one stayed stoned. But once it wore off it was back to same old problems different week. For those that need it for med reasons, hey I'm sure it's great. Plus it keeps the nasea down to a minimum for cancer types as well. So it has it's properties. But we also have to remember all those elected officials now in office were the epitome of weed smokers and LSD users back in teh 60's and look where they are now. Running our country. And we wonder what happened?...lmao