extraterrestrial life and ufology

[DSM4Life]

I been rectally probed.

[MightyBeast]

"If you believe in God, do you have to believe in aliens?
God, no one has every seen him/her
Aliens, no one has every seen one

God, some ppl claimed to have been visted by God at some point
Aliens, some ppl claimed to have been visted by them at some point

God, some ppl have a serious belief that there is a higher power & thier not alone
Aliens, some ppl have a serious belief that there is a higher power & were not alone

God, has been documented for 2000 yrs
Aliens, have been documented since the dawn of time"




that's because gods are ancient aliens

and us humans will be gods one day to another inferior species out there

on the mean time we shal juice up and be gods here on earth

For Asgard. No seriously though I've always wondered bout this. I mean alltheir religions predate ours. Not that I don't believe in God. But these religions came way before. Olympians,Asgardians,and how did the Egyptians build all those pyramids without help. And yeah what if we end up goin to a planet with less gravity, John Carter. What would they think of us then.

[Honkey_Kong]

I had a highschool geography teacher who claimed to have been abducted by aliens. He coached the golf team too.

So he claimed to have been abducted. But then so nobody would believe his story, they covered him in booze. But I don't know if I'd believe his story as truth and not some drunken dream. At one of the golf meets, he did get drunk and drove his golf cart in to a pond.

[Times Roman]

Lay it on us. I enjoy a good read on subjects such as this that provoke thought, as long as they are intelligently written, and you sir are a very intelligent guy. I'd like to hear your thoughts and I'm sure many others would as well.

Quite often I've thought on this subject.

I suspect we are being watched by a superior intelligence. Three thoughts:

1) This intelligence is NOT aggressive in a direct sense. If it were, i believe it would not have been able to evolve to the point of star travel. If a specie get too aggressive, I suspect there would be sufficient warring to prevent the type of fuel source necessary to evolve without turning it into a weapon and anhilating themselves.

2) Due to the vast distances between the stars and the time requirement for completing that travel, I believe any specie that come to visit us are here to stay. They could be on the far side of the moon where we can't see. No need to be on the surface either. They could live below ground where it is cooler. Or they could be at the bottom of the ocean, where, again, we cannot see. There is no returning back to their home world in a single lifetime. The cavaet would be if tech were created that could do one of two things:
a] Open a wormhole and travel through it, or...
b] Develop faster than light engine technology.

3) This advanced intelligence could be "US". We could be looking back on ourselved from a point in time in the future. Of course, contact would not be desireable due to causality.

Thoughts anyone?

[Shol'va]

I been rectally probed.

[dec11]

Gort Klaatu barada nikto

one of the best movies ever made

[dec11]

Quite often I've thought on this subject.

I suspect we are being watched by a superior intelligence. Three thoughts:

1) This intelligence is NOT aggressive in a direct sense. If it were, i believe it would not have been able to evolve to the point of star travel. If a specie get too aggressive, I suspect there would be sufficient warring to prevent the type of fuel source necessary to evolve without turning it into a weapon and anhilating themselves.

2) Due to the vast distances between the stars and the time requirement for completing that travel, I believe any specie that come to visit us are here to stay. They could be on the far side of the moon where we can't see. No need to be on the surface either. They could live below ground where it is cooler. Or they could be at the bottom of the ocean, where, again, we cannot see. There is no returning back to their home world in a single lifetime. The cavaet would be if tech were created that could do one of two things:
a] Open a wormhole and travel through it, or...
b] Develop faster than light engine technology.

3) This advanced intelligence could be "US". We could be looking back on ourselved from a point in time in the future. Of course, contact would not be desireable due to causality.

Thoughts anyone?

yep, what are you smoking?

[dec11]

i go by the old tried and tested formula of believe it when i see it

[Times Roman]

yep, what are you smoking?

scary what preoccupies my time thinking, huh?

I have developed a thought "mantra" if you will, that helps me get to sleep at night. Consider a black hole for a moment. It is the ultimate attracting force. Pulling everything in towards it. Now consider a white hole and the material that it consists of. This is the interesting part. A white hole would be the ultimate repulsing force. Pushing everything away from it, including light. If a black hole, and it's corresponding event horizon is "black" (the absence of light), what would a white hole look like? I presume it must look "white" or having the presense of light. As a beam of light approaches the "white" event horizon, it would be repelled, at the same angle as the approach, of the light beam to the perpendicular of the point to the sphere where the light beam makes "contact" with the white event horizon. So in essense, the white hole and it's event horizon would have almost the same appearance as an orb made of a perfect mirror. Nothing from the outside could get past the surface of the mirror, as it would need to travel faster than light to do so. So an observer inside the event horizon of a black hole would be forever trapped inside, an observer would be forever prevented from entering the event horizon of a white hole.

It gets even crazier when you consider the time dialation effect for an observer as they approach a white hole.

And even crazier where some think actual white holes reside and how they came to be.

[Shol'va]

Those aliens are quickly infiltrating our family households. Be afraid...BE VERY AFRAID!

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

scary what preoccupies my time thinking, huh?

I have developed a thought "mantra" if you will, that helps me get to sleep at night. Consider a black hole for a moment. It is the ultimate attracting force. Pulling everything in towards it. Now consider a white hole and the material that it consists of. This is the interesting part. A white hole would be the ultimate repulsing force. Pushing everything away from it, including light. If a black hole, and it's corresponding event horizon is "black" (the absence of light), what would a white hole look like? I presume it must look "white" or having the presense of light. As a beam of light approaches the "white" event horizon, it would be repelled, at the same angle as the approach, of the light beam to the perpendicular of the point to the sphere where the light beam makes "contact" with the white event horizon. So in essense, the white hole and it's event horizon would have almost the same appearance as an orb made of a perfect mirror. Nothing from the outside could get past the surface of the mirror, as it would need to travel faster than light to do so. So an observer inside the event horizon of a black hole would be forever trapped inside, an observer would be forever prevented from entering the event horizon of a white hole.

It gets even crazier when you consider the time dialation effect for an observer as they approach a white hole.

And even crazier where some think actual white holes reside and how they came to be.

look at the disclosure project ... dr Steven Greer

[Times Roman]

look at the disclosure project ... dr Steven Greer

looked it up.

the comment about neil armstrong and his becoming reclusive post moon walk due to his integrity and being prevented from telling the truth, seems to me the site is suggesting Mr. Armstrong has first hand experience with E.T.'s and the government had him sworn to secrecy?

I have a hard time with the coverup theory.

Look at the book "No easy day" - "why we shot osama on sight" by the Navy Seal.

the government is pretty pissed the book was written and the Seal, in the eyes of the government, leaked the op.

If the government can't keep the lid on a simple thing like that, then how am I supposed to believe that the government has the wherewithall to keep the lid on Roswell for 60 years?

I don't like it when we have anecdotal information, and then go even further by trying to connect the dots. This is hack science trying to play everyone's emotions with an eye to sensationalism.

There is no smoking gun E.T.'s exist that we know of in the public domain. And since the government isn't everywhere at all times, then that means their ability to keep the lid on a "discovery" like this is limited. Eventually, it would have to come out. And it hasn't yet. That makes you seriously wonder about the cover up theory.

[MickeyKnox]

im with Missouri on this one. believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

[MR-FQ320]

I think you have to be an idiot at this point or some bible thumping retard to not believe there is life besides us


There are no words to describe the size of space yet we are the only ones around?

Yes there is, and it only takes one word but a massive amount of imagination, the universe is INFINITE in every direction, and whats more its been proven.

TR: you have too much thinking time man, if white holes were to exist as you describe it would have to be so dense that would mean they were super bright - like the brightest thing in the universe - nothing is that bright.

What I might suggest TR, is what you are describing is a massive 'dense' concentrated anount of anti-matter, same result ( pushes everything away) but 'undetectable' and no light.


Why thank you.

[Times Roman]

Yes there is, and it only takes one word but a massive amount of imagination, the universe is INFINITE in every direction, and whats more its been proven.

TR: you have too much thinking time man, if white holes were to exist as you describe it would have to be so dense that would mean they were super bright - like the brightest thing in the universe - nothing is that bright.

What I might suggest TR, is what you are describing is a massive 'dense' concentrated anount of anti-matter, same result ( pushes everything away) but 'undetectable' and no light.


Why thank you.

I believe a white hole would not create light, just reflect what is already there, same as a mirror.

anti-matter is not repulsive. it simply has an oppposing charge from it's normal version of itself. an electron and a positron would attract one another just like any other matter, yet would annhilate once they come into contact.

Mate, a white hole is a little more complex than coelesced antimatter.

Care to take a stab at what it is and where it can be found?

and an even bigger concept, "what does it mean to us?"

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

I believe a white hole would not create light, just reflect what is already there, same as a mirror.

anti-matter is not repulsive. it simply has an oppposing charge from it's normal version of itself. an electron and a positron would attract one another just like any other matter, yet would annhilate once they come into contact.

Mate, a white hole is a little more complex than coelesced antimatter.

Care to take a stab at what it is and where it can be found?

and an even bigger concept, "what does it mean to us?"

look into higher lever of consciousness and high awareness .and spirituality ... cseti .org.

[MR-FQ320]

I believe a white hole would not create light, just reflect what is already there, same as a mirror.

anti-matter is not repulsive. it simply has an oppposing charge from it's normal version of itself. an electron and a positron would attract one another just like any other matter, yet would annhilate once they come into contact.

Mate, a white hole is a little more complex than coelesced antimatter.

Care to take a stab at what it is and where it can be found?

and an even bigger concept, "what does it mean to us?"

well they're found in black holes, but i think it depends on which theory you follow for what it means to for our universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole

[Times Roman]

well they're found in black holes, but i think it depends on which theory you follow for what it means to for our universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole

it's all theory and conjecture mate. but you went ahead and looked it up? where's the fun in that?

as the wiki article points out, a white hole can be related to a black hole, with a worm hole connecting the two. This is most often explainable when the spin of the object is so great as it collapses that a singularity fails to form, and instead creates a worm hole. And the other end of the wormhole, opposite the black hole, would be the white hole, ejecting the matter that was consumed by the black hole. The interesting thing is that it may even eject the matter in a different era than when it was originally consumed, effectively traveling through time!

now the real interesting part that the wiki article doesn't seem to cover except maybe in the parent/bud discussion. our universe could simply be the result of matter consumed in a different black hole in an entirely different universe. The matter in our universe would have come from our white hole's counterpart of that universes black hole. this could be a counter argument of the big bang, something that isn't discussed very much. the big bang relies heavily on quantam fluctuations, something not needed with the white whole theory of the origins of the universe.

[Shol'va]

im with Missouri on this one. believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

Yeah we are the "Show Me State"!

[MR-FQ320]

it's all theory and conjecture mate. but you went ahead and looked it up? where's the fun in that?

You're right I'm disappointed with myself now, I should taken time out to think about it, like enough time til the answer came or my head hurt from thinking about it.

as the wiki article points out, a white hole can be related to a black hole, with a worm hole connecting the two. This is most often explainable when the spin of the object is so great as it collapses that a singularity fails to form, and instead creates a worm hole. And the other end of the wormhole, opposite the black hole, would be the white hole, ejecting the matter that was consumed by the black hole. The interesting thing is that it may even eject the matter in a different era than when it was originally consumed, effectively traveling through time!

now the real interesting part that the wiki article doesn't seem to cover except maybe in the parent/bud discussion. our universe could simply be the result of matter consumed in a different black hole in an entirely different universe. The matter in our universe would have come from our white hole's counterpart of that universes black hole. this could be a counter argument of the big bang, something that isn't discussed very much. the big bang relies heavily on quantam fluctuations, something not needed with the white whole theory of the origins of the universe.

now the last paragraph is interesting, and to quote the second last sentance in wiki "A recent paper argues that the Big Bang itself is a white hole. It further suggests that the emergence of a white hole, which was named a 'Small Bang', is spontaneous - all the matter is ejected at a single pulse. Thus, unlike black holes, white holes cannot be continuously observed rather their effect can only be detected around the event itself."

Like an eternal fountain of matter, energy and in time - life. well thats my latest theory anyway.


TBH i never heard of them before ( or not remember them anyway), so when you started talking about using them to get you to sleep I assumed they were fictional. My error.

On another note I cannot wait for 2018 and the James Webb infrared telescope, imagine how far 'back' we can see then?

[Hoggage_54]

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

yess !!

[Shol'va]

Looks like a big ole green apple waiting to be penetrated by a worm....

[Scabtree]

I'm a skeptic. Not just of aliens but generally everything. But if there is intelligent life out there, can you imagine the kind of roids they could whip up?

[dec11]

scary what preoccupies my time thinking, huh?

I have developed a thought "mantra" if you will, that helps me get to sleep at night. Consider a black hole for a moment. It is the ultimate attracting force. Pulling everything in towards it. Now consider a white hole and the material that it consists of. This is the interesting part. A white hole would be the ultimate repulsing force. Pushing everything away from it, including light. If a black hole, and it's corresponding event horizon is "black" (the absence of light), what would a white hole look like? I presume it must look "white" or having the presense of light. As a beam of light approaches the "white" event horizon, it would be repelled, at the same angle as the approach, of the light beam to the perpendicular of the point to the sphere where the light beam makes "contact" with the white event horizon. So in essense, the white hole and it's event horizon would have almost the same appearance as an orb made of a perfect mirror. Nothing from the outside could get past the surface of the mirror, as it would need to travel faster than light to do so. So an observer inside the event horizon of a black hole would be forever trapped inside, an observer would be forever prevented from entering the event horizon of a white hole.

It gets even crazier when you consider the time dialation effect for an observer as they approach a white hole.

And even crazier where some think actual white holes reside and how they came to be.

how do we know black holes even do this?

[dec11]

i believe!! i believe!!

[Times Roman]

how do we know black holes even do this?

we are fairly certain black holes exist. I would say a confidence level of over 95%. At the very center of our galaxy, there is a spot that many other stars revolve around, and this spot is extremely massive. only problem is there is nothing to see, as though there is nothing there. but the gravitational effect this "nothing there" possesses is enormous, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of stellar masses. It's the absense of light that this object posses that reveals it's true nature as a black hole.

Black holes are thought to be a creative force, allowing galaxies to form. So without blackholes, life as we know it could not exist.

now the last paragraph is interesting, and to quote the second last sentance in wiki "A recent paper argues that the Big Bang itself is a white hole. It further suggests that the emergence of a white hole, which was named a 'Small Bang', is spontaneous - all the matter is ejected at a single pulse. Thus, unlike black holes, white holes cannot be continuously observed rather their effect can only be detected around the event itself."

Like an eternal fountain of matter, energy and in time - life. well thats my latest theory anyway.


TBH i never heard of them before ( or not remember them anyway), so when you started talking about using them to get you to sleep I assumed they were fictional. My error.

On another note I cannot wait for 2018 and the James Webb infrared telescope, imagine how far 'back' we can see then?

It's interesting you brought this up. Back in the 20's, one popular theory was callled the "Steady State Theory" in that matter was continuously being created because we believed a static universe to be impossible. It was largely discredited in the 70's when the big bang theory seemed by many to be the logical choice. However, with our understanding of black holes, and the possiblility of white holes, it may very well be that the big bang theory is wrong, and that the steady state theory, modified to accomodate the white hole theory, is right.

Some of you may not recall, but over a year ago, we were talking about the big bang theory, and I was cautioning some that "bangers" may very well be wrong, and other plausible theories about the creation of the universe could be right. This is one of the theories I was referring to.

[red_hulk]

I have an idea that due to the size of the universe the chances of life are high enough for it to happen. Though how new/intelligent it would be is another question. We as a species, particularly an intelligent species (space travel and other tech) are fairly young and we are breaking ground constantly. Do I think that strange things happen? All the time. Do I think it has to do with aliens as many of the history channel shows would suggest? I don't.

[dec11]

we are fairly certain black holes exist. I would say a confidence level of over 95%. At the very center of our galaxy, there is a spot that many other stars revolve around, and this spot is extremely massive. only problem is there is nothing to see, as though there is nothing there. but the gravitational effect this "nothing there" possesses is enormous, to the tune of hundreds of thousands of stellar masses. It's the absense of light that this object posses that reveals it's true nature as a black hole.

Black holes are thought to be a creative force, allowing galaxies to form. So without blackholes, life as we know it could not exist.



It's interesting you brought this up. Back in the 20's, one popular theory was callled the "Steady State Theory" in that matter was continuously being created because we believed a static universe to be impossible. It was largely discredited in the 70's when the big bang theory seemed by many to be the logical choice. However, with our understanding of black holes, and the possiblility of white holes, it may very well be that the big bang theory is wrong, and that the steady state theory, modified to accomodate the white hole theory, is right.

Some of you may not recall, but over a year ago, we were talking about the big bang theory, and I was cautioning some that "bangers" may very well be wrong, and other plausible theories about the creation of the universe could be right. This is one of the theories I was referring to.

but we still cant know that they 'suck' things in.

do you reckon if it wasnt for sci fi literature and movies and human imagination, would any of these 'ideas' even exist?

[Beroo]

@ Times Roman. Is most of your knowledge about this from Internet research, articles, books, or college courses. I've always been interested but don't know where to start to learn about everything in depth?

[Times Roman]

but we still cant know that they 'suck' things in.

do you reckon if it wasnt for sci fi literature and movies and human imagination, would any of these 'ideas' even exist?

ahhh... the ol' Existentialism paradigm, eh?

dec, we can know they suck things in. we have a firm grasp on how gravity works. We know matter move towards gravitational objects. We do know that other massive objects do exist. We know that stellar objects go nova and leave very massive yet small cores behind. we know about neutron stars, extremely massive, and the size of a small city. one teaspoon has the same weight as a full size train. It pulls neighboring matter into it. as it does, it collapses the molecule, pulling the electron into the neuclous making the atom thousands of times smaller than before. At this point, the gravitional pull is stronger than the weak nuclear force, due to the mass of the gravitational object. this is the basis of the neutron star. A gravitional object more massive would be able to over power the strong nuclear force, and collapse the nucleous down, pulling the neutron apart, down to it's next lower level, the quark. [There is actual debate if there is a thing called a quark star, or whether everything just collapses at this point to a singularity]. At the singularity, all the matter is condensced into a single point, yet retains all the mass and gravity from before.

@ Times Roman. Is most of your knowledge about this from Internet research, articles, books, or college courses. I've always been interested but don't know where to start to learn about everything in depth?

Mate,
I've been keenly interested in this subject matter for 30 years. i've read countless books on the subject, subscribed to related magazines like Discover magazine, watched practically every show on the subject, had a few college courses, spent countless hours discussing with others with similar interests, and here lately, the internet as well.

If you want to begin to learn abouut this subject matter, and other related subject matters, I'd recommend a trip down to your local bookstore and begin browsing. I used to go down to the book exchange and make inexpensive purchases. Some of the books were older, and therefore outdated. but still interested in reading.

This subject (physics) gets real interesting when it transcends into metaphysics and all the different ramifications of that.

If this subject does interest you, then you need to get a real good grasp on a variety of subjects.

Einstein's various theories (general, special)
Space/time
Speed of light and and how that relates to energy and matter
All the various ramifications of gravity
How time and the speed of light relate to one another
Curvature of space

in order to intelligently be able to discuss these ideas, you should have a working knowledge of these and a variety of other concepts.

The idea is if I were to ask you if you thought there was another force, stronger, than the strong nuclear force, even though you won't know, it would be nice to be able to give an intelligent opinion.

And to have a working knowledge of all that, it takes time. years.

When i read the books, and they start breaking down the equations to back up the theories, in the beginning, I'd try working through a few. But it's some extremely advanced stuff, and it gave me a headache. Advanced theoritical math is not my background, so now I just skip that stuff and stick to the narrative.

[Beroo]

Yeah I'm definitely interested in it. I usually just search through the web and read and read about random things like time travel for example, how traveling to the past could be done if you were traveling faster than the speed of light or if you were to use a transversable wormhole. I think going to the library is a pretty good idea to start with. Reading published books seems like a better idea and is probably a better source for accurate information compared to browsing the web, thanks.

[MR-FQ320]

Lots of good documentaries out there too, mainly on discovery science channel, or here: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/through-the-wormhole/

through the wormhole is good for beginners or brushing up, it explains some difficult concepts in simple explanations. plenty of others on there to keep you entertained too.

[Beroo]

Lots of good documentaries out there too, mainly on discovery science channel, or here: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/through-the-wormhole/

through the wormhole is good for beginners or brushing up, it explains some difficult concepts in simple explanations. plenty of others on there to keep you entertained too.

Whoa. Thanks for the link

[RaginCajun]

ahhh... the ol' Existentialism paradigm, eh?

dec, we can know they suck things in. we have a firm grasp on how gravity works. We know matter move towards gravitational objects. We do know that other massive objects do exist. We know that stellar objects go nova and leave very massive yet small cores behind. we know about neutron stars, extremely massive, and the size of a small city. one teaspoon has the same weight as a full size train. It pulls neighboring matter into it. as it does, it collapses the molecule, pulling the electron into the neuclous making the atom thousands of times smaller than before. At this point, the gravitional pull is stronger than the weak nuclear force, due to the mass of the gravitational object. this is the basis of the neutron star. A gravitional object more massive would be able to over power the strong nuclear force, and collapse the nucleous down, pulling the neutron apart, down to it's next lower level, the quark. [There is actual debate if there is a thing called a quark star, or whether everything just collapses at this point to a singularity]. At the singularity, all the matter is condensced into a single point, yet retains all the mass and gravity from before.



Mate,
I've been keenly interested in this subject matter for over 3,000 years!. i've read countless books on the subject, subscribed to related magazines like Discover magazine, watched practically every show on the subject, had a few college courses, spent countless hours discussing with others with similar interests, and here lately, the internet as well.

If you want to begin to learn abouut this subject matter, and other related subject matters, I'd recommend a trip down to your local bookstore and begin browsing. I used to go down to the book exchange and make inexpensive purchases. Some of the books were older, and therefore outdated. but still interested in reading.

This subject (physics) gets real interesting when it transcends into metaphysics and all the different ramifications of that.

If this subject does interest you, then you need to get a real good grasp on a variety of subjects.

Einstein's various theories (general, special)
Space/time
Speed of light and and how that relates to energy and matter
All the various ramifications of gravity
How time and the speed of light relate to one another
Curvature of space

in order to intelligently be able to discuss these ideas, you should have a working knowledge of these and a variety of other concepts.

The idea is if I were to ask you if you thought there was another force, stronger, than the strong nuclear force, even though you won't know, it would be nice to be able to give an intelligent opinion.

And to have a working knowledge of all that, it takes time. years.

When i read the books, and they start breaking down the equations to back up the theories, in the beginning, I'd try working through a few. But it's some extremely advanced stuff, and it gave me a headache. Advanced theoritical math is not my background, so now I just skip that stuff and stick to the narrative.

just had to fix that so he knows where you are really coming from!

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

@ Times Roman. Is most of your knowledge about this from Internet research, articles, books, or college courses. I've always been interested but don't know where to start to learn about everything in depth?

look at Dr Steven Greer disclosure project. and cseti.org

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

look this up. it started a huge movment . and because of this many top ranking military personell . go on the books ,military employees ,and researchers make the national press in the biggest televised ufo disclosure attempts ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrRwT...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWkX...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Gos...e_gdata_player

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

greatest story ever denied


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_aO...e_gdata_player