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I was recently stopped by a local agency and I had gear on my person. I was charged with a felony and the offer was 3 year probation with a 5 year back up. My lawyer declined and now we have a trial date set. I had one bottle 10ml and I don't have any previous convictions. This offer from the prosecutor seems steep. Anyone had experience with this or a similar situation?
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i have not experienced this..touch wood. but im curious, what did your lawyer say his/her strategy was?
aka "JOB"
Because simple possession of steroids is a felony and you have been offered probation...pretty good deal, Although in I plea I would try to get it knocked down to a misdameanor so that you are not a felon. Perhaps they did that...?
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Wow!!!! Thats intense!!! Sorry to hear that. Here is a question.
With all of the underground gear on the market, there is always a chance that any gear is bunk. Do they test it before charging you or just go by what the vial says? Because i know that if it was me and i was charged with one vial of ugl gear, i would take a shot in the dark and see what my chances are to get it tested and cross my fingers that it is bunk. Just a thought from a Canadian that has no clue what your laws are.
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
doesnt matter. You can get in trouble for having fake stuff.Originally Posted by capetown
To me probation seems like a good deal. Whats your lawyers plan. Was the search illegal? If the search was legal i dont see how you would get a better result by going to trial. Also going to trial with a decent attorney is going to cost you $$$.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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My lawyer is attempting to get it dropped to a misdemeanor but the prosecutor is an ass. My lawyer feels that if we go to trial no jury would convict for a felony. If it gets dropped the punishment would be diversion and SIS - suspended imposition of sentence. Meaning dont f up again and complete diversion. Im just nervous.
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Wow i'm very sorry to hear this. Let us know how this pans out, i'm curious to see what happens. I live in a country where personal posession and use is legal, so I have no idea what or how they'd treat posession of something like a single 10ml vial over in the states...
Didn't they used to treat it like rec drugs and dish out punishment in accordance by weight of the substance, and so they foolishly started treating AAS the same way (even though dose, use, etc. is not the same what so ever)? How do they do it now? For one 10ml vial of whatever, I can't imagine the punishment would be that bad? Even as someone else said, try and knock it down to a misdemeanor?
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They tested and it came back positive for testosterone prop and testosterone velarate or something. I know that its legit. No net buys. Also the search was legal. I had it in my waistband and it dropped down to my leg while the car was being searched. As I was getting off the curb to return to my vehicle it slid out of my pants and hit the ground. I should have stomoped on it but the officers were like "hey" what is that. I said b-12 and they told me if it came up as anything else I would have a warrant issued via mail. Sure enough I did and here we are. Please don't tell me I should have stomped on it or not have made claim to owning it. At this point I already know "should haves"
aka "JOB"
I gotta tell ya...If they cant come to a plea agrrement and trial is the only option I would be very nervious. Remember you are facing 12 ppl who were to stupid to get out of jury duty lol.
I would not want that risk if probation were on the table.
Besides with the bad rap juice has in the media I would not count on a simpathetic jury or judge.
aka "JOB"
In the states a drug or any SIMULATED drug is the same.
One could have baby powder packaged for sale in a manner consistant to cocaine and be convicted for it.
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Crazy, i can see why you guys dont suggest leaving your house with any gear now. If i had to go to trail, i would try to lose a bunch of weight until i looked sick and then say that it was my last chance to change myself before i took my own life. Self esteem just gone down the drain because im a grown man that looks like this. Maybe get a pitty vote?? I dunno. I cant even wrap my head around this. You guys are getting treated like they just chased you down and you had a bunch of meth in your pocket.
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yes they still do that here. so 1 vial is considered 10 doses
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
I agree, personally i would take the deal. I dont see what your defense will be. Your lawyer's opinion they wont convict you on a felony seems bs. If you are only charged with a felony and no lesser counts they have no choice but to find you guilty.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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And 10 doses = what? How serious is one dose in the eyes of the system?
I'm preaching to the choir here but this is crazy, I can't wrap my head around this lol.
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I hear ya, ive seen guys get pinched and it was deemed personal because it was under 10,000. I would leave my gear in my basement in a apple juice container if it was like that here!!!
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Must be an aggressive attorney. Could end up worse than just probation.
aka "JOB"
Was the search of the car consentual? Was the stop legit? These are important questions because if any of the things leading up to the seizure of your gear were done illegally then anything found on you is fruit of the poisenous tree and deemed inadmissable in court
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
its scheduled the same as rec drugs here. So it would like be having 10 pills of X
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
aka "JOB"
Which, depending on how the officer wanted to do things, could be considered intent to deliver.
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That sucks man. I agree with your lawyer. Fight it, for a while anyway. It is in no ones interest to go to trial for 1 vial of test, trials are expensive to the taxpayer. Its like a game of cards man. They more than likely will act tough hoping you take a shitty plea, when you dont they will try to scare you, if you dont back down they should come back with a better plea. Just like any negotiation never take the first deal.
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I'm real happy I live in the UK where it's legal to purchase, own and use AAS. The only thing you can get stung on is selling, or having enough on you to be deemed intent to sell.
I didn't realise the US were so hot on it. Best of luck with the trial.
Regards
Krugerr
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I am sure if you stomped on it yhey could of gotten a little evidence in a paper towel or something.
I would take the pled and move on.
Save time money and having your name thrown around
~VET~ Extraordinaire~
correct. If your lawyer wants to play hard ball, so can the prosecutor. He can add charges when ever he wants. so based on the fact you had 10 doses and it was in your car, you were planning on delivering it to sell.
Unless your lawyer has some way of getting it thrown out, i see no advantage of going to trial.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Didnt laws change there before Olympics?
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Yeah, this is crazy. Granted, we don't even have any stipulations here in Canada that state what crosses the line from amounts for personal use vs amounts for trafficking. I think the game changer is intent. If you have 50 vials of stuff, you could say its your own stockpile for personal use. Fine. They let you off. But if they find you have multiple PO boxes, have evidence of you mailing stuff out from the post office every week, find boatloads of cash on your premise, and other shady stuff then you'll get pegged for trafficking and selling.
That's nuts... I was just going to say, he was busted with ONE 10ml vial. How could they possibly pin trafficking on that? Unless the prosecutor AND the judge are both extremely ignorant of steroid use (very likely) AND are just a couple of assholes out to crucify someone by any means necessary (also very likely). Intent to deliver a 10ml vial? Totally implausible.
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I guess its all a game of words. When someone says "10 doses" in court to someone who has no clue about this stuff... I can see how the uneducated person would think that's a lot, and enough to 'distribute'. Rediculous.
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i heard that too, but isn't this with a prescription? i think there is a fine line here. but i could be wrong Atomini. if so, shoot me the link bro. i would like to know this for sure. and i looked buit couldn't come with anything concrete. i do know it's a sched III as well.
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This is all crazy from an outsiders point of view, you can't self prescribe TRT?
Seems stupid to put testosterone a naturally occuring male hormone in the same bracket as rec drugs.
Here I can walk around with 5x that perfectly legally. The only thing I can't do with steroids and rec drugs is sell them.
Can you say it is for TRT?
Please tell me you can't go to jail for a 10ml vial in the states?
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it's like getting busted with a bag of weed. it's not an once worth 250$, it's 28 grams worth 560$ lol
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you can go to jail for simple cannabis seeds in the US!!
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That was all just for show.
I think the law did change slightly in regards to prohormones though.
Steroids are Class C which means they are in the same bracket as pretty much every "soft" rec drug.
They would have to change the law across the board for it to affect steroids.
Still legal to possess, buy and use as far as I'm aware.
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You will walk with a fine if you have under 30 grams in alberta. And of course they arent all wrapped individually in little baggy. Lol
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It is NOT a Schedule III drug here! Prepare to be englightened,
AAS are a schedule IV drug here, and all the stipulation says on this issue in our Controlled Drugs and Substances Act is that it is legal for personal use and posession. Directly from the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act of Canada:
"It is not an offence to possess a Schedule IV substance for personal use; however, Subsection (2) of Section (4) of the CDSA states that "no person shall seek or obtain a substance or authorization from a practitioner to obtain a substance in schedules I through IV." Subsection (7) then states that it is an indictable offence to contravene subsection (2). Therefore, it is an indictable offence to attempt to acquire a Schedule IV substance but not an offence for possession. Section 5 provides that possession for the purpose of trafficking of a Schedule IV substance is an offence."
As long as those vials just somehow mysteriously keep showing up on your doorstep, you can posess it and use it with or without a perscription. I've got many instances and stories of people being searched by cops, finding gear, and then being let to because finding gear on someone here is like finding Aspirin on them (unless cops find a UPS truck full of gear or something). Funny story: a buddy of mine once was pulled over, searched (police did have a warrant), cops found 4 bottles of dbol , 3 vials of trenbolone and several vials of Testosterone. They were like "wtf is all this useless shit", so they kept searching and he got busted for the following: white powdery stuff in the armrest compartment. When he was charged, there was no mention at all of the anabolic steroids that were found. It's a nonpoint here in Canada.
I also know more than just a few police officers who also use. Just saying.
aka "JOB"
Concider this. If you are cuaght with 1 pot plant growing on your window sill. Doesn't matter if it is 1 inch tall. The federal guidline is that 1 plant CAN yield up to 1 pound of marijuana and threfore you could be charged with Intent to deliver for your little seadling.
My fear in th ops case is that his attrny (if he is on retainer) is trying to milk the op for more $. This will allow him to set up depositions of the officers, motions to supress evidence, pre trial confrences. All while padding his pocket and at the end of the day the op could very easily end up in prison if the trial goes the wrong way.
Remember the ppl on the jury have little to no knowledge on AAS and therefore they will make up their mind and opinion based on what they have seen in the media. Would you want all of that crap being the deciding factor on what happens to you.
I agree that the defense attrny can work a little harder at negotiating a better plea. hell I would trake a little local jail time and a misdemeanor over a felony and probation. But in alot of cases once trial is set then all bets are off and it' sgame time sports fans
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no shyt!?? i Wikipedia'd that and thought i read that it was A, a sched III drug, and B, illegal to posses without a script!? that's awesome bro! thanks for that.
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i know, Canada is great when it comes to 420 friendliness.
aka "JOB"
Mickey will now just walk around with pockets full of testno shyt!?? i Wikipedia'd that and thought i read that it was A, a sched III drug, and B, illegal to posses without a script!? that's awesome bro! thanks for that.
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life just got a little sweeter. AND..my package arrived from Lion. yeah baby, no red border flags for this cat.
aka "JOB"
Good to hear.....
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That's because you were looking at the American Controlled Substances Act.no shyt!?? i Wikipedia'd that and thought i read that it was A, a sched III drug, and B, illegal to posses without a script!? that's awesome bro! thanks for that.
And you for a second thought that we were the the 51st state.
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