Anyone know of this steroid bust?

***system admin*** · 10-05-2012, 01:23 AM

http://www.wect.com/story/19740996/c...lling-steroids

Anyone know anything? Seems like an odd couple to sell steroids lol

**red_hulk** · 10-05-2012, 01:26 AM

That's some bust they made. Crazy.

***system admin*** · 10-05-2012, 01:39 AM

I wonder what site it was? That would be interesting to find out.

**red_hulk** · 10-05-2012, 01:42 AM

Yeah, right? Haha they probably made some good money while they were at it

AD · 10-05-2012, 01:51 AM

no mention of seizure of equipments used for production. maybe they are just middlemen?

**Noles12** · 10-05-2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by asiandude

no mention of seizure of equipments used for production. maybe they are just middlemen?

Thats what it sounds like. Sounds like they were either getting it from overseas or somewhere else locally then shipping for a supplier.

***system admin*** · 10-05-2012, 02:13 AM

Thats going to be a hard fall for those two. When you play the game, you take risks of getting hurt. I hope it doesnt ruin their lives. I think its crazy that anabolic steroids hold the charges they do here in the states. I bet you anything the DA is jumping up and down about this case and is looking forward to making an example out of them. I hope they can get a good lawyer. They didnt say they seized any cash...

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-05-2012, 08:43 AM

They were probably just middlemen and delivered a package to the wrong people. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the money is in an offshore account.

**Lunk1** · 10-05-2012, 09:34 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if it's related to the one in nebraska a month or so ago. Those ppl were simply redistributing for the guys in NY.

**< <Samson> >** · 10-05-2012, 12:38 PM

What kind of possible sentencing are they looking at? That quantity is pretty damn big.

**Times Roman** · 10-05-2012, 12:50 PM

It's clear to me they were just distributors, not manufacturers.

I haven't looked at the business model very closely, but I'm sure there are safeguards one can put in place to prevent, or minimize, the risks associated with this type activity. But it seems this couple were not being very careful?

**austinite** · 10-05-2012, 12:56 PM

Yes. They were absolutely middlemen.

**Shol'va** · 10-05-2012, 05:14 PM

Sorry guys but it's just your government looking out for you. (sarcasm) But then look at their sterling record on the drug war here in the states. It's funny though, I can go almost anywhere in my great city and purchase illegal drugs, pot, meth, oxy, almost anything I want I can find if I want it. But when it comes to steroids , it's extremely hard to find them in my city. Not saying I can't find them , just that the real bad illegal drugs are everywhere to be found, and they are more worried over steroids. To me it makes no sense. But then these days what does? And another thing, when was the last time you saw an illegal drug user, steroids not withstanding, who was concerned for his or her health and worked out regularly and ate right regularly, and looked healthy? Now look at the typical steroid user and you see someone who takes care of both body and mind religiously. It just makes no sense to go after us all the time, when we comprise of very few in the scheme of things. Like Charlton Heston said in Planet Of The Apes.... It's A Madhouse.. A Madhouse......lol

**austinite** · 10-05-2012, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Sorry guys but it's just your government looking out for you. (sarcasm) But then look at their sterling record on the drug war here in the states. It's funny though, I can go almost anywhere in my great city and purchase illegal drugs, pot, meth, oxy, almost anything I want I can find if I want it. But when it comes to steroids, it's extremely hard to find them in my city. Not saying I can't find them , just that the real bad illegal drugs are everywhere to be found, and they are more worried over steroids. To me it makes no sense. But then these days what does? And another thing, when was the last time you saw an illegal drug user, steroids not withstanding, who was concerned for his or her health and worked out regularly and ate right regularly, and looked healthy? Now look at the typical steroid user and you see someone who takes care of both body and mind religiously. It just makes no sense to go after us all the time, when we comprise of very few in the scheme of things. Like Charlton Heston said in Planet Of The Apes.... It's A Madhouse.. A Madhouse......lol

Yes, but can you openly carry a weapon in the streets?

**Scabtree** · 10-05-2012, 05:51 PM

They should go after real criminals sometimes. That would be really neat.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-05-2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Sorry guys but it's just your government looking out for you. (sarcasm) But then look at their sterling record on the drug war here in the states. It's funny though, I can go almost anywhere in my great city and purchase illegal drugs, pot, meth, oxy, almost anything I want I can find if I want it. But when it comes to steroids, it's extremely hard to find them in my city. Not saying I can't find them , just that the real bad illegal drugs are everywhere to be found, and they are more worried over steroids. To me it makes no sense. But then these days what does? And another thing, when was the last time you saw an illegal drug user, steroids not withstanding, who was concerned for his or her health and worked out regularly and ate right regularly, and looked healthy? Now look at the typical steroid user and you see someone who takes care of both body and mind religiously. It just makes no sense to go after us all the time, when we comprise of very few in the scheme of things. Like Charlton Heston said in Planet Of The Apes.... It's A Madhouse.. A Madhouse......lol

I know, Dude, thank God the government stopped these guys in their tracks. It would've been horrible if one of us accidentally got a hold of those illegal steroids and they caused us to get strong and huge. Cheers to Uncle Sam for looking out for us!

See, I think it's easier to find steroids than it is to find most rec drugs (sans pot). I don't know or associate with drug addicts or dealers. In fact I want nothing to do with that culture. And what pisses me off is despite trying to be healthy, my use of performance enhancing drugs lumps me in with those scumbags. I mean I work and pay my taxes. You never see the cops getting called to my house for some domestic problems and I don't drink, much less drive under the influence. Yet, according to the man, I'm even more of a criminal and will be punished more severely than some meth addict.

Even if the judge gave us the same sentence as he would a heroin addict who got busted with smack on the books, we'd be punished worse. Many of us are hard workers who own our own homes. We have car payments and the rest of that stuff. Going to jail for us is more of a punishment than it is to some junkie simply because we have more to lose. A heroin addict doesn't have a good job that he's risking losing (usually), they don't have houses and cars that they'll lose. And for what? Because we just want to better ourselves.

**Shol'va** · 10-05-2012, 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=Honkey_Kong;6197635]I know, Dude, thank God the government stopped these guys in their tracks. It would've been horrible if one of us accidentally got a hold of those illegal steroids and they caused us to get strong and huge. Cheers to Uncle Sam for looking out for us!

Well think about it. If we are to be a socialist nation then it would do the government no good if we were all healthy. So getting on illegal drugs and staying messed up all the time gives your government the boost it needs to say see you need us to take complete care of you. So it behooves the govt. to take away our means to get and stay healthy in their twisted minds and keep you down trodden... Your Government At Work Citizens Beware...

**Lunk1** · 10-05-2012, 06:37 PM

You guys are starting to sound very simaliar to the pot heads fighting for legalization lol.

It's illegal, end of story, we all know the risks!

**dec11** · 10-05-2012, 06:40 PM

they're hitting all over, our postal system is being targeted and another member told me its the same in the UK at the min as well.

**JayBee** · 10-05-2012, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I know, Dude, thank God the government stopped these guys in their tracks. It would've been horrible if one of us accidentally got a hold of those illegal steroids and they caused us to get strong and huge. Cheers to Uncle Sam for looking out for us!

See, I think it's easier to find steroids than it is to find most rec drugs (sans pot). I don't know or associate with drug addicts or dealers. In fact I want nothing to do with that culture. And what pisses me off is despite trying to be healthy, my use of performance enhancing drugs lumps me in with those scumbags. I mean I work and pay my taxes. You never see the cops getting called to my house for some domestic problems and I don't drink, much less drive under the influence. Yet, according to the man, I'm even more of a criminal and will be punished more severely than some meth addict.

Even if the judge gave us the same sentence as he would a heroin addict who got busted with smack on the books, we'd be punished worse. Many of us are hard workers who own our own homes. We have car payments and the rest of that stuff. Going to jail for us is more of a punishment than it is to some junkie simply because we have more to lose. A heroin addict doesn't have a good job that he's risking losing (usually), they don't have houses and cars that they'll lose. And for what? Because we just want to better ourselves.

Exactly, well said

**Shol'va** · 10-05-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You guys are starting to sound very simaliar to the pot heads fighting for legalization lol.

It's illegal, end of story, we all know the risks!

Oh fer sure dude, knarley, right arm! Now what were we talkin bout again...lol

**< <Samson> >** · 10-05-2012, 07:15 PM

**Lunk1** · 10-05-2012, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Oh fer sure dude, knarley, right arm! Now what were we talkin bout again...lol

Don't you have anyone...I mean anything better to do tonight lol?

**frank13** · 10-05-2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I know, Dude, thank God the government stopped these guys in their tracks. It would've been horrible if one of us accidentally got a hold of those illegal steroids and they caused us to get strong and huge. Cheers to Uncle Sam for looking out for us!

See, I think it's easier to find steroids than it is to find most rec drugs (sans pot). I don't know or associate with drug addicts or dealers. In fact I want nothing to do with that culture. And what pisses me off is despite trying to be healthy, my use of performance enhancing drugs lumps me in with those scumbags. I mean I work and pay my taxes. You never see the cops getting called to my house for some domestic problems and I don't drink, much less drive under the influence. Yet, according to the man, I'm even more of a criminal and will be punished more severely than some meth addict.

Even if the judge gave us the same sentence as he would a heroin addict who got busted with smack on the books, we'd be punished worse. Many of us are hard workers who own our own homes. We have car payments and the rest of that stuff. Going to jail for us is more of a punishment than it is to some junkie simply because we have more to lose. A heroin addict doesn't have a good job that he's risking losing (usually), they don't have houses and cars that they'll lose. And for what? Because we just want to better ourselves.

a-men brother

**Shol'va** · 10-05-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Don't you have anyone...I mean anything better to do tonight lol?

Yep headin out to Missie B's to take one home for the team.

Hold down the fort.....

**Lunk1** · 10-05-2012, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Shol'va

Yep headin out to Missie B's to take one home for the team.

Hold down the fort.....

Go get em tiger....Grrrrrrrr

**thegodfather** · 10-06-2012, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You guys are starting to sound very simaliar to the pot heads fighting for legalization lol.

It's illegal, end of story, we all know the risks!

Lunk, there is a huge difference between Malum In Se and Malum Prohibitum.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-06-2012, 03:55 PM

[QUOTE=Shol'va;6197645]

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I know, Dude, thank God the government stopped these guys in their tracks. It would've been horrible if one of us accidentally got a hold of those illegal steroids and they caused us to get strong and huge. Cheers to Uncle Sam for looking out for us!

Well think about it. If we are to be a socialist nation then it would do the government no good if we were all healthy. So getting on illegal drugs and staying messed up all the time gives your government the boost it needs to say see you need us to take complete care of you. So it behooves the govt. to take away our means to get and stay healthy in their twisted minds and keep you down trodden... Your Government At Work Citizens Beware...

Unfortunately though, if we're all twisted on drugs and constantly getting sent back to jail, who is going to pay the government so that it can take complete care of us? Their whole plan fails because it requires a population of responsible people who are too stupid to be aware of what their labour is going towards. Either that or they're too afraid to lose what they have so they don't rock the boat. Realistically though, if the government needs to take care of the population, you'll cease to have those responsible people and so the system will collapse on itself.

**Lunk1** · 10-06-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Lunk, there is a huge difference between Malum In Se and Malum Prohibitum.

Without google I am familiar with both terms but not sure what either on have to do with my comment.

I just find it comical that whatever illegal activity one engages in they seem to find justification for. For example, everytime there is a steroid bust then and handful of steroid users start saying "damn cops need to concentrate on the REAL criminals" and "Goverment needs to realize the benifits of steroids " lol. Am I the only one who has heard this same argument from Marijuana users? It's just funny how everyones "thing" isn't bad, only someone elses "thing" is bad.

I am not suggesting by this post that steroids are bad and that the laws are not too harsh. I just enjoy listening to ppl point the criminal finger at "the other law breakers"

**thegodfather** · 10-06-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Without google I am familiar with both terms but not sure what either on have to do with my comment.

I just find it comical that whatever illegal activity one engages in they seem to find justification for. For example, everytime there is a steroid bust then and handful of steroid users start saying "damn cops need to concentrate on the REAL criminals" and "Goverment needs to realize the benifits of steroids " lol. Am I the only one who has heard this same argument from Marijuana users? It's just funny how everyones "thing" isn't bad, only someone elses "thing" is bad.

I am not suggesting by this post that steroids are bad and that the laws are not too harsh. I just enjoy listening to ppl point the criminal finger at "the other law breakers"

My point was rather that, we the people, and our elected government, do not have the right to tell responsible adults what is and is not 'bad' for them to put into their own bodies, so long as they engage in that activity in a peaceful and considerate manner, without harming anyone. The idea of protecting people from themselves is something I have a serious problem with. I see steroids as no better or worse than any other drug that people in our society choose to partake in. If that is the way someone wishes to live their life, I see no reason that those people should be condemned to prison because of some puritanical representatives on the hill. Drug addiction is a MEDICAL PROBLEM, not a criminal problem.

**Lunk1** · 10-06-2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

My point was rather that, we the people, and our elected government, do not have the right to tell responsible adults what is and is not 'bad' for them to put into their own bodies, so long as they engage in that activity in a peaceful and considerate manner, without harming anyone. The idea of protecting people from themselves is something I have a serious problem with. I see steroids as no better or worse than any other drug that people in our society choose to partake in. If that is the way someone wishes to live their life, I see no reason that those people should be condemned to prison because of some puritanical representatives on the hill. Drug addiction is a MEDICAL PROBLEM, not a criminal problem.

Ahhh but we the ppl and our elected govt. do maintain that right through the judicial branch. We create laws. I am not saying I agree with them all how how it's done. It just is what it is.

We are not speaking about drug addiction...we are speaking about laws being broken. Although as I gae I agree with you on your point about addiction. But it there is more to it than addiction. There is manufacturing, distributing, posession. All of these things are and should be handled criminaly.

I am trying to determine if your feeling is that everything from methamphetamine to crack cocaine should just be legalized??? Hmmmm undoubted reprocussions for those actions I would guess...

**thegodfather** · 10-06-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Ahhh but we the ppl and our elected govt. do maintain that right through the judicial branch. We create laws. I am not saying I agree with them all how how it's done. It just is what it is.

We are not speaking about drug addiction...we are speaking about laws being broken. Although as I gae I agree with you on your point about addiction. But it there is more to it than addiction. There is manufacturing, distributing, posession. All of these things are and should be handled criminaly.

I am trying to determine if your feeling is that everything from methamphetamine to crack cocaine should just be legalized??? Hmmmm undoubted reprocussions for those actions I would guess...

The numbers really speak for themselves. If you have not researched the following two things, do so, and then we will have an informed conversation about the issue. If you have, let me know and we will continue.... 1) LEAP-Law Enforcement Officers Against Prohibition, and 2) Portugal's model of decriminalization and its positive outcomes over the past 9 years since implementation.

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-06-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

The numbers really speak for themselves. If you have not researched the following two things, do so, and then we will have an informed conversation about the issue. If you have, let me know and we will continue.... 1) LEAP-Law Enforcement Officers Against Prohibition, and 2) Portugal's model of decriminalization and its positive outcomes over the past 9 years since implementation.

Godfather, if I ever get arrested for juice, can I hire you to defend me?

**< <Samson> >** · 10-06-2012, 11:32 PM

I agree completely, but it's supply & demand. Theoreticaly if there is no users there would be no dealers.

**Lunk1** · 10-06-2012, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

The numbers really speak for themselves. If you have not researched the following two things, do so, and then we will have an informed conversation about the issue. If you have, let me know and we will continue.... 1) LEAP-Law Enforcement Officers Against Prohibition, and 2) Portugal's model of decriminalization and its positive outcomes over the past 9 years since implementation.

Man...now I have to do homework to debate my point of view lol? I am familiar with LEAP and have read a few things abot Portugals decriminalization.

I am not taking sides or argueing prohabition. I can find points of contention on both sides of the line. Do I think that decriminalization would bankrupt cartels and put drug dealers out of work, sure it makes sense. But I also believe that it would not save the taxpayers a dime. It would simply shift the same amount of money over to an increased need for treatment and rehab. Demand will not decrease with legalization, if anything it would be feasable to believe it would increase since there are no reprocussions to possessing or using.

Anyhow my point of my original post was simply that users of one drug tend to point fingers at different drug users or other types of criminals and say "their the bad guy, not us" when in reality the law is the law, wrong, right or indifferent!

**Lunk1** · 10-06-2012, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >;619***6

I agree completely, but it's supply & demand. Theoreticaly if there is no users there would be no dealers.

There have been and always will be drug users Samson, I thing the Godfathers point is that by decriminalizing drugs then it would do away with the violence associated with drug dealers and suppliers. Not to mention that incarserating users does not make less users...always an up and coming crop

**Honkey_Kong** · 10-07-2012, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Man...now I have to do homework to debate my point of view lol? I am familiar with LEAP and have read a few things abot Portugals decriminalization.

I am not taking sides or argueing prohabition. I can find points of contention on both sides of the line. Do I think that decriminalization would bankrupt cartels and put drug dealers out of work, sure it makes sense. But I also believe that it would not save the taxpayers a dime. It would simply shift the same amount of money over to an increased need for treatment and rehab. Demand will not decrease with legalization, if anything it would be feasable to believe it would increase since there are no reprocussions to possessing or using.

Anyhow my point of my original post was simply that users of one drug tend to point fingers at different drug users or other types of criminals and say "their the bad guy, not us" when in reality the law is the law, wrong, right or indifferent!

You're first assuming that the would-be punishment is actually a deterrent. Does anyone who is considering a cycle think "this stuff is illegal, I'll do time in county/prison if get caught" and then decide not to? I honestly don't know the answer to this though. I mean somebody who might be unsure of doing a cycle for other reasons might use that as their excuse to not (but would've found some other excuse not to if not this).

And more importantly if the legality of the issue is not a deterrent, then it's a pointless law since anti-drug laws only exist in an effort to control people's behaviour. What good could come from it?

**kronik420** · 10-07-2012, 05:13 AM

if that guy was huge, he coulda gotten away with the "its for personal use" excuse lol..

**Metalject** · 10-07-2012, 05:32 AM

Here's a good recent bust for you. 23yr old gets 3yr prison sentence for steroid charges...court chooses to make an example of him. The law's already bad enough but talk about a petty bust with a huge downfall:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...8_ULNSbg248509

**lovbyts** · 10-07-2012, 05:50 AM

Biggest mistake you can ever make is trusting the court or jury to do the right thing.
The Supreme Court says you should never talk to a police officer without an attorney.
The only questions you need to answer is your name, address, date of birth, sometimes your social security number but NOTHING else! Instead of telling the police officer who you are, give him your drivers license or your I.D. card
After they have read you your rights you must speak up and say to the police officer "I'm going to remain silent" and then keep your mouth shut! How can you be falsely accused and charged with a crime, if you don't say anything? Never talk to a police officer, anything you say or do can and will be used against you at any time by the police.

"John Isaac Hudelson had pleaded guilty June 1 to two charges contained in an April 2 indictment issued by a federal grand jury in Tulsa."