Loving it!!!

[auswest]

That morning when you're on cycle and look in the mirror or begin your work out and BANG!! Lift off!! Just finished my 3rd week on prop/winny and today is the day I can officially say she has kicked into top gear and full throttle... Very low cals ATM 10cals/lb and getting shredded as Fk and loving it!!!

This thread has no real relevancy just wanted to express this feeling of happiness!!

Cycle goals drop from 10% to 8% and maintain muscle mass, easily achievable have allready dropped some bf and gained a kg on very low cals, have just started to throw clen into the mix week on week off @ 120mg, prop is at 80mg ed and winny 50mg ed

[kronik420]

well done.

you got a log going bro?

[auswest]

well done.

you got a log going bro?

I think I shall start one actually, good idea.

[marcus300]

I know the feeling well, happy days

[auswest]

Only downsides are my wrists are a little sore, and the pip's are out of control 6 sites almost isn't enough.. And the winny keeps blocking my pins, so on the occasion I'm pinning 2-3 times, but I think I've learnt how to prevent that now. Seems to be the last few mls of the bottle, will have to shake it up more from the beginning in the future, and I've been shaking the hell out of it when mixed with the prop in syringe that seems to be working so far..

[MuscleInk]

Only downsides are my wrists are a little sore, and the pip's are out of control 6 sites almost isn't enough.. And the winny keeps blocking my pins, so on the occasion I'm pinning 2-3 times, but I think I've learnt how to prevent that now. Seems to be the last few mls of the bottle, will have to shake it up more from the beginning in the future, and I've been shaking the hell out of it when mixed with the prop in syringe that seems to be working so far..

Is the winny crystallizing or just viscous? I ran winny years ago and was the only one I had to heat before drawing into the syringe because it was so damn thick.

I hear ya on the PIP. I'm running a new blend and the PIP is kicking my ass!!! It's ridiculous. I'm running out of places to pin that don't hurt!

Good luck on the goals. Sounds fantastic.

MI

[auswest]

Is the winny crystallizing or just viscous? I ran winny years ago and was the only one I had to heat before drawing into the syringe because it was so damn thick.

I hear ya on the PIP. I'm running a new blend and the PIP is kicking my ass!!! It's ridiculous. I'm running out of places to pin that don't hurt!

Good luck on the goals. Sounds fantastic.

MI

It's just thick as I'm getting to the end of the first vial. U let it sit for a day and at the bottom when u turn it upside down there is a tonne of sediment and I have to give it a good shake, will have to shake the next vial more from the start next time.

[cherrydrpepper]

Very low cals ATM 10cals/lb and getting shredded as Fk and loving it!!!

I don't understand this part. How much are you eating under TDEE Total Daily Energy Expenditure? Good luck on your cycle

[auswest]

I don't understand this part. How much are you eating under TDEE Total Daily Energy Expenditure? Good luck on your cycle

A accurate way of calculating cals is by cals/lb there are ranges for cut Maintence and bulking ull find it will align with a tdee calculator very closely, plus 1 tdee calculator can be upto or even 1000cals away from the next. Off the top of my head cutting is from 12-10 cals/lb bw 10 being about as low as people recommend

a rough estimate is 12kCal/lb for cut, 15 for maint. and 18 for bulk.
This is a good place to start and adjust as you see fit in regards to weight gain and weight loss.I find tdee calculators a bit hit and miss at times, these numbers give u a startin point and then you adjust to your individual needs.

[cherrydrpepper]

Thanks Auswest I have been doing 500 - 1000 cals below TDEE a day for cutting and am finding the calculations you threw out are right in line. I'm above 20% bf so can I feel safely cut faster (fewer calories) versus someone sub 20 percent. I am going to start using this system of per pound you threw out it feels more accurate. For a bulk 18-20 cals / lb is approx 750 - 1000 over TDEE for me which is perfect.

[evander87]

A accurate way of calculating cals is by cals/lb there are ranges for cut Maintence and bulking ull find it will align with a tdee calculator very closely, plus 1 tdee calculator can be upto or even 1000cals away from the next. Off the top of my head cutting is from 12-10 cals/lb bw 10 being about as low as people recommend

a rough estimate is 12kCal/lb for cut, 15 for maint. and 18 for bulk.
This is a good place to start and adjust as you see fit in regards to weight gain and weight loss.I find tdee calculators a bit hit and miss at times, these numbers give u a startin point and then you adjust to your individual needs.

Wow I just ran the math on my old formula and it was pretty close to this much simpler and easier to calculate formula. Thanks for sharing.

[MR-FQ320]

We're talking about lean body mass right ?

[milky01623]

Yeah I think this is similar to the one 405 and gbrice have formulated they're now using lbm x 15 for tdee and then 500 below for cut and 500 above for bulk tbh it's easier and I'm using it for myself and Otis in line with the tdee calculator in the stickies

[BlueWaffle21]

THat feeling when it kicks in is what got me hooked!!

[auswest]

We're talking about lean body mass right ?

I've been using my total body weight

[auswest]

Yeah no worries guys, it's deffernatly a quick and easy way of doing things and allows you to keep track and adjust easier imo. I haven't heard of anyone recommending under 10, most would not recommend going under 12 for a cut, but being on cycle is a different story, and I'm having great results with 10, I've started carb cycling 4 days of bare minimum carbs and a refeed on the 5th day so far I'm seeing amazing results.

[--->>405<<---]

We're talking about lean body mass right ?

I've been using my total body weight

for what its worth Lyle MacDonald recommends 14-16cals per lb TOTAL body weight when calculating maintenance. 14 for slower metabolism, 16 for higher, and (u guessed it) 15 for good ole regular metab guys and gals.

if u figure someone like me with 200lbs weight and 10%bf that leaves 20lbs fat weight thats not being calculated in. thatd be around 300cals (give or take). personally being an ex-fat butt id rather be 300cals below and have to add than be 300cals above and have to lose fat! keep in mind this is only a starting estimate and will have to be adjusted with each individual.

[kelkel]

That morning when you're on cycle and look in the mirror or begin your work out and BANG!! Lift off!! Just finished my 3rd week on prop/winny and today is the day I can officially say she has kicked into top gear and full throttle... Very low cals ATM 10cals/lb and getting shredded as Fk and loving it!!!

This thread has no real relevancy just wanted to express this feeling of happiness!!Cycle goals drop from 10% to 8% and maintain muscle mass, easily achievable have allready dropped some bf and gained a kg on very low cals, have just started to throw clen into the mix week on week off @ 120mg, prop is at 80mg ed and winny 50mg ed

Perfectly understandable. Actually, I can barely read your posts as I get hypnotized by your Avi every damn time........killing me....

[auswest]

Perfectly understandable. Actually, I can barely read your posts as I get hypnotized by your Avi every damn time........killing me....

Haha yeah ur not the only one, it prompts a lot of pm's about her too haha.. Lay off the test guys lol, but yeah she is hot as ****, even if all u can see of her is her beautiful arse!!

[warmouth]

You are in a great state my friend! What did you settle in with on dosing? I told you, winny is amazing.

[auswest]

You are in a great state my friend! What did you settle in with on dosing? I told you, winny is amazing.

I decided to keep it the same and ride it through a little longer and see how things went, things are perfect now shredding up nicely, absolutely loving this stack, amazing stuff.