**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[hammerheart]

I was explaining what happened to me, I was running very high T on it even after 16 weeks from my last injection and it was all in my mind that I had low T. Remarkable but I have been on it over ten years so its running full fucking speed lol and I presume its just how I am

Well I'd gladly accept that as an explanation in the case of mere lack of response, but why on heart would my mind tell itself to feel worse on Test? Sure there are also some benefits and that's what keeps me on TRT.

Could you imagine TEST triggering inability to get muscle pumps? What's my mind role in that?

[Mr.BB]

It's just that I think (maybe totally wrong) that an athlete who trains a lot would have a harder time reaching stable blood levels on IM TU alone, than the "regular person". )

You are wrong.

In my opinion and experience, its actually the other way around. Couch potatoes tend to have a lot more aromatization, DHT conversion and SHBG causing lower free test. Exercising is important while on TRT.

Of course, some guys think that TRT is all about having supraphysiological levels of test, they permanently want to be on mini-cycles. Someone pinning 200mg test E once a week, reaching the next shot with 1000ng/dl serum total T, means that the day after the shot he was over 2000ng/dl spending the whole week over 1000. Not that there's anything wrong with someone wanting those levels, i'm certainly not the right person to judge him lol, but its comes with side effects, as long as you take responsibility for this side effects...

Personally feel better on nebido, than pinning test E every week. Also dont need AI on nebido.

[Mr.BB]

Could you imagine TEST triggering inability to get muscle pumps? What's my mind role in that?

Low glycogen in muscle will remove the pump. Your diet is not exactly the greatest...

[marcus300]

Well I'd gladly accept that as an explanation in the case of mere lack of response, but why on heart would my mind tell itself to feel worse on Test? Sure there are also some benefits and that's what keeps me on TRT.

Could you imagine TEST triggering inability to get muscle pumps? What's my mind role in that?

Like I said my mind was telling me I felt low T because I hadn't had an injection for 16weeks but in reality I didn't have low T I was at the top end of the range . I was telling you about me how minds sometimes play games with you.

Your case sounds fucking complicated as fuck and never come across anyone with so many issues regarding how they feeling.

I hope you find what's wrong but I do think our minds play games on us that's not saying yours is that's in general normal people who have issues. Your far from anything normal

[hammerheart]

Low glycogen in muscle will remove the pump. Your diet is not exactly the greatest...

I feel like 250-300g of carbs are plenty for me... I have been eating much more of that last year. The sort of eating 250g of cornmeal mush (that translates to more than 1kg of cooked cornmeal) just before hitting bed. Don't tell me I haven't tried high carb...

[hammerheart]

Like I said my mind was telling me I felt low T because I hadn't had an injection for 16weeks but in reality I didn't have low T I was at the top end of the range . I was telling you about me how minds sometimes play games with you.

Your case sounds fucking complicated as fuck and never come across anyone with so many issues regarding how they feeling.

I hope you find what's wrong but I do think our minds play games on us that's not saying yours is that's in general normal people who have issues. Your far from anything normal

Yes, thanks, I understood what you meant. I fact, I never convince myself I feel bad from the hormones, I never blame anything for how I feel, because it would blunt my capacity for reaction, I would have never got this far if I had ever let myself do that.

[Mr.BB]

I feel like 250-300g of carbs are plenty for me... I have been eating much more of that last year. The sort of eating 250g of cornmeal mush (that translates to more than 1kg of cooked cornmeal) just before hitting bed. Don't tell me I haven't tried high carb...

300gr carbs can be plenty in one day and too little on another, depends on how much you spent that day/period.

WTF is cornmeal mush? Is that where you put a whole stick of butter??

[hammerheart]

300gr carbs can be plenty in one day and too little on another, depends on how much you spent that day/period.

WTF is cornmeal mush? Is that where you put a whole stick of butter??

Have a trip in northern Italy and taste some polenta, that's it. It goes with pretty much everything but it's nutritionally poor, just high in carbs.

Well the period I felt best was on low carb back in 2013, I had amazing pumps all the time and everyone believed I was on roids. Now I'm effectively on "roids" but my muscles look like sh*t. Life can be amazing

[Mr.BB]

ahhh polenta I know what it is, not that I really eat it, not best source of carbs...

[almostgone]

Bah, sleep sucks. Getting up.to eat a steamed chicken breast, some steamed.bok choy, and steamed.leeks w/ a dash or two of coconut aminos.

[DocToxin8]

You are wrong.

In my opinion and experience, its actually the other way around. Couch potatoes tend to have a lot more aromatization, DHT conversion and SHBG causing lower free test. Exercising is important while on TRT.

Of course, some guys think that TRT is all about having supraphysiological levels of test, they permanently want to be on mini-cycles. Someone pinning 200mg test E once a week, reaching the next shot with 1000ng/dl serum total T, means that the day after the shot he was over 2000ng/dl spending the whole week over 1000. Not that there's anything wrong with someone wanting those levels, i'm certainly not the right person to judge him lol, but its comes with side effects, as long as you take responsibility for this side effects...

Personally feel better on nebido, than pinning test E every week. Also dont need AI on nebido.

Yeah that I understand, couch potatoes would have higher levels of aromatization. My thinking was that an athlete would train his glutes so often as to effect the absorption of the TU depot.
Not by any effect on excretion or conversion.

Though wouldn't a very low SHBG mean you'll excrete the T (that is absorbed in your bloodstream at this very minute) a little faster as well?
I thought SHBG acted in some ways like a storage protein for T in the bloodstream. And the half life of free T is in the range of minutes?
Not that I think this really has any impact in real life, but one would think it could?

I don't know, and yes, the guy I know probably wanted higher than physiological T levels. When he's used to going on 5-7Grams of AAS not just during blasts, but most of the time, (I think he'd cruise on 2grams at the lowest) and also has this aromatase defiency, well I don't know.
I just couldn't understand how he tolerated 7G a week without lying on the floor with a constant migraine.

[RaginCajun]

Had to really warm up the shoulder area due to my RC problem so I did these straight after each other without any rest periods rolling lateral raises holding small weight bent over laterals small weights towel stretches broomstick stretches high pulley face pulls after the above no pain, no crunching and shoulders full of blood. Seated single cybex side laterals 3 warm up sets 1 working set to failure down to halves and quarters bent over db laterals 2 feel sets 1 working set plus one drop face pulls 1 working set plus 3 drops seated hammer shoulder press palms facing in 2 feel sets 1 working set plus 2 drops shrugs U bar 2 working sets plus one drop then finished with behind the back shrugs on smith for one huge set

Nice

I have that crunching sound in my shoulders as well

Will work on that tomorrow morning

[Mr.BB]

Yeah that I understand, couch potatoes would have higher levels of aromatization. My thinking was that an athlete would train his glutes so often as to effect the absorption of the TU depot.

Marcus is known to inject nebido in bicep. You can ask him if he skips bicep day lol

SHBG is not a testosterone "storage". Once its binded there's no reversal.

[DocToxin8]

Marcus is known to inject nebido in bicep. You can ask him if he skips bicep day lol

SHBG is not a testosterone "storage". Once its binded there's no reversal.

Ok, this is from 1990 so hopefully some more light has been shed on the subject, but it was the first in depth SHBG study review I found regarding this issue.
http://acb.sagepub.com/content/27/6/532.full.pdf
"...a major metabolic role for both albumin and SHBG is thought to be that as a buffer role for fluctuations in sex steroids .."
And then it goes into the notion that it was thought that only the steroids unbound to SHBG is active is incorrect,
and "...the metabolic clearing rate of steroids with high affinity for the SHBG is reduced..."
And that SHBG may interact directly with some target tissues.
Etc.

It's worth a quick read. Not saying this old study is proof of anything though.

As for Marcus injecting Nebido in his biceps, only way to see is if he injects into his glutes and compare T level right before next injection. But my guess is his arms aren't the same size as the average male either. I don't know, maybe the difference is to small to be noticed, if there are any.

[BG]

lmao@Marcus


Ok so I took some valium last night and slept well and actually felt great today. It took a load off, I went in the gym and had a great workout that I enjoyed. I feel a lot of stress was lifted from me, the ringing in my ear constantly and bad sleep I think was wearing on me. I think I may need to be medicated sometimes.

[Mr.BB]

Ok, this is from 1990 so hopefully some more light has been shed on the subject, but it was the first in depth SHBG study review I found regarding this issue.
http://acb.sagepub.com/content/27/6/532.full.pdf
"...a major metabolic role for both albumin and SHBG is thought to be that as a buffer role for fluctuations in sex steroids .."
And then it goes into the notion that it was thought that only the steroids unbound to SHBG is active is incorrect,
and "...the metabolic clearing rate of steroids with high affinity for the SHBG is reduced..."
And that SHBG may interact directly with some target tissues.
Etc.

It's worth a quick read. Not saying this old study is proof of anything though.

As for Marcus injecting Nebido in his biceps, only way to see is if he injects into his glutes and compare T level right before next injection. But my guess is his arms aren't the same size as the average male either. I don't know, maybe the difference is to small to be noticed, if there are any.

This one is a more recent: Interactions of sex hormone-binding globulin with target cells

It will explain your doubts if you read it.

[Cuz]

Hit some chest exercises today. Had to stop that old injury in my right anterior delt creeping back up. Good info in here today gonna read over it

[BG]

Took my valium tonight then went and got a massge, sooooooooooooo good

[almostgone]

Took my valium tonight then went and got a massge, sooooooooooooo good

Good for you, BG!

[numbere]

I think I may need to be medicated sometimes.

I think we all need to be medicated sometimes lol.

[Sfla80]

Took my valium tonight then went and got a massge, sooooooooooooo good

Ahhh I think a Valium is much better then a X sometimes

[numbere]

By favorite shoulder SS you mean SuperSet?
So shoulder press with dumbbell or barbell rows?
I do st.rows with barbell as part of by back routine so I think I misunderstand.

Yes I was using SS as an abbreviation for superset. Shoulder press with upright DB or BB rows. Not bent over rows.

[almostgone]

Right. Feel like 10 miles of bad highway, but am headed to the shop to do some cardio via sets of light squats and also work calves before I get ready for work.

[clarky.]

Morning fellas, GGR. Arms a are still sore from sat, back is so so. If feeling ok after work the day shoulders and traps will be getting it. Report back latter fellas.

[marcus300]

Yes, thanks, I understood what you meant. I fact, I never convince myself I feel bad from the hormones, I never blame anything for how I feel, because it would blunt my capacity for reaction, I would have never got this far if I had ever let myself do that.

You have every illness and feeling going, you really need to go to a professional and seek help and if you have and they have done all the blood work and scans and they tell you your ok well maybe we need to seek another kind of professional because you cant carry on like this always feeling like shit.

[marcus300]

Marcus is known to inject nebido in bicep. You can ask him if he skips bicep day lol

SHBG is not a testosterone "storage". Once its binded there's no reversal.

ive injected it pre bicep workout obviously nothing like a pump

[marcus300]

lmao@Marcus


Ok so I took some valium last night and slept well and actually felt great today. It took a load off, I went in the gym and had a great workout that I enjoyed. I feel a lot of stress was lifted from me, the ringing in my ear constantly and bad sleep I think was wearing on me. I think I may need to be medicated sometimes.

The good old benzo's to sort anything out, had a little X myself over the weekend and felt fucking great. Whats the stress related to my friend? you ok?

[marcus300]

Ahhh I think a Valium is much better then a X sometimes

depends imho I have both in stock

[marcus300]

Fuck me my shoulder hurt, my traps ouch. Very nice and not felt like this for a long time.

Think I will do back today, row myself home and then some more rows and maybe some more rows, Row day today

[almostgone]

Got my little version of cardio in before work. I stayed at it so I hope it counts as cardio. Still no issues with the quad I tore last year so that's good, I guess.


Crunches- 1 set of 125
Bodyweight squats- 1x20
Dry bar squats- .1x 20
Squats:
Plate per side- 1x20
Plate and a quarter/side- 1x10, 1x15
Plate/side- 1x15

Seats calf raises w/ double bounce- Work-13, drop,5 - 11+
Standing calf raises- 12-7-3+

The "-" signs above indicate a rest pause.

34 minutes for everything. Form seems to be holding up. Will keep raising the weights while staying at the higher reps for cardio and save my heavier lifts for leg days when I use my leg press for hacks, rev. hacks, presses, etc.

[hammerheart]

You have every illness and feeling going, you really need to go to a professional and seek help and if you have and they have done all the blood work and scans and they tell you your ok well maybe we need to seek another kind of professional because you cant carry on like this always feeling like shit.

I'm pretty sure my physical health is great, despite minor ailments here and there

I never had good experiences with professionals... lord knows what it might happen if I seek that kind of a professional. I don't feel anyway in need of help, even though sometimes I seriously need to get my shit together ok there might still be some language barrier here but I do feel very serene about everything even if it's not apparent.

[marcus300]

Shake going down the hatch, might drop some coffee in for the second day in a row -

[almostgone]

Shake going down the hatch, might drop some coffee in for the second day in a row -

Oh shit. I see blood and flying d'bells in the future.

[almostgone]

If I can get it together this evening, I think I may try to do some back work.

[marcus300]

Oh shit. I see blood and flying d'bells in the future.

My rear delts are hurting so going to try and stay away from that area the best I can but I am going to really stretch beforehand and do a lot of warming up again without any rest periods, get a lot of blood in the area and then go right into it. My focus will be thickness my width is fine and it seems to just look after it self if I attack width so I fancy a full blow thickness Marcus workout coming.

Coffee is down, I am feeling good. Shoulder pain is zero but muscular pain is high which is giving me some serious mind fucks to get in the gym and rip the arse out of some weights. Free weights are screaming at me I can smell them from here. I love the noise they make


I'm on the way

[marcus300]

If I can get it together this evening, I think I may try to do some back work.

Your beast of a back is big enough, your a silverback in the making

[marcus300]

Volterol applied

tight latex underpants applied

arab strap applied

trainers on

mind set ready

[almostgone]

^^^ You crack me up. Arab strap.


Go kill it, Marcus!

[almostgone]

My rear delts are hurting so going to try and stay away from that area the best I can but I am going to really stretch beforehand and do a lot of warming up again without any rest periods, get a lot of blood in the area and then go right into it. My focus will be thickness my width is fine and it seems to just look after it self if I attack width so I fancy a full blow thickness Marcus workout coming.

Coffee is down, I am feeling good. Shoulder pain is zero but muscular pain is high which is giving me some serious mind fucks to get in the gym and rip the arse out of some weights. Free weights are screaming at me I can smell them from here. I love the noise they make


I'm on the way

Shoot, that post has me.pumped up to lift and I'm dragging right now.

[almostgone]

Your beast of a back is big enough, your a silverback in the making

My plan to decrease my weight didn't go as expected, so while I make some adjustments, workiing on an even wider back may "de-highlight" my waistline.
I used this weekend to tweak my food plan to accommodate this new shift and will see how it treats me after a few weeks.
I don't want to be a portly silverback by the time spring gets here. Also, if I hit my goal, I have promised myself some new ink!