**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[mockery]

Marcus, How advanced should be a lifter before he or she starts doing drop sets, rest pauses ?

[Igifuno]

Marcus, How advanced should be a lifter before he or she starts doing drop sets, rest pauses ?

While you wait for Marcus, my thought is that a lifter should be advanced enough to where he/she has had time enough to hit a plateau, but has also developed him/herself enough to gain significant strength in the secondary support system like rotator cuffs, joints and ligaments as they will be needed to participate in heavier and 'to failure' type training associated with the advanced techniques.

[marcus300]

people are being trolls trying to have a dig, i was TRYING to point out when bringing up weak body parts and increase of calories is added to make up for the extra training involved. not the specific feeding to the arms will stretch stomach fascia. AND in my own opinion alot of times its not worth it.

double face palm

Ive no idea what your on about Mockery but it doesn't matter. Lets keep this thread on track for people who want to learn how to train HIT and build big thick huge muscles we don't troll here its a straight forward thread for hardcore bodybuilders who want to learn from guys who have a life time of knowledge and experience under there belt. Anything else doesn't belong in here

Hey Marcus just reading through that routine of yours posted on the last page. Do you always do deadlifts last when doing back? Also i see you said no drops on dead's, i'm assuming to avoid injury yeah?

Depends on you but for me yes I do them last, I use to do them first and was a huge DL'er but it destroyed my back and when I stopped trying to fed my ego and pulled the weight back and did them to build muscle instead of one of two personal best lifts my back exploded. I don't do them much anymore and my lower back is like a canyon and its thick as fuk. Do what works and what builds the muscles around your spine mate. Don't drop set deads to much of an injury could occur just hit them slow tight and controlled through the positive and negative and no matter what don't ever go to the floor just below the knee trust me on that one

on topic, no training for me today, going to try to start tommorow. ive got another little problem that's come up to deal with, its always something. diet has been good today, but I have slept a lot today, only day I got to rest...unfortunately I missed couple meals but still got four in. report back later.

On topic that's good, this thread is huge and contains loads of information on every page so we don't allow trolling otherwise all the information would get lost and its hard enough to find anyway seeing that its growing so fast. Troll posts will be deleted if it carries on, no more talk about trolls its Christmas guys
Our lifestyles always get in the way chad don't worry, its something we have to deal with. Just do what you can but remember when you go in the gym make it count, make it count make it count!!!!!!!!

yeah!!!! someone noticed...Iol i can see where the thread was going and I know Marcus would not like that too much. I think we need to show the man some respect and keep his thread looking clean.

Thank you

[marcus300]

Marcus, How advanced should be a lifter before he or she starts doing drop sets, rest pauses ?

Going beyond failure is a hard thing to get right Mockery, many guys THINK they are going beyond failure but infact they are not. When you first take this type of training on its impossible to go from failure training to beyond failure training within months. You cant teach the body to go to these places within a short period of time even advanced bodybuilders train with Yates and think fuk ive not been training hard enough, so to truly train to failure you have to master this first before moving onto beyond failure and using advanced protocols like rest paused, drop sets, forced and negatives. Ive only talked about the physical side of things but there is a huge mental side of learning and taking yourself into the pain zone its extremely hard indeed. That's why I mention it and written about it time and time again in this thread, the mental state of mind is huge and ive told everyone how I get into the zone and you have to try and find what works for you.

I'm waffling again aren't I? sorry if I go off track but I get carried away lol. I think anyone needs to have a few years under your belt of trying different routines and trying to find out how your body responds and builds muscle, which type of training works because with some guys HIT wont do it for them or its way to hard to do ( which is usually the case, its not for the weak) once you have put your body through hard training and understand how things work and you have build a solid foundation from hard training then you can start looking at HIT. But the first thing we all have to do is learn how to train to failure, this alone is so fuking hard, once we have mastered the intense workouts and you have a good understanding what true positive failure you can move on to the beyond failure. I don't think there is a time limit to where someone is ready for the advance stuff. There is no harm in trying all the advance stuff and seeing how you react to pain and hitting those tough fibers but priority is learning and teaching yourself how to train to failure before moving on.

What happens many think they are training to failure but infact they are holding back on the working set because they know in the back of their mind they have a drop set to complete, or a rest pause or forced and negatives, so they are not taking there working set to failure they are holding back and keeping something in the tank for the advance protocols. I've written my mind set with one working set once in this thread and its worth reading what I think about and how I attack that one working set. So its a learning process you have to go through to find out if your capable of doing this extreme way of training, remember what I talk about in here is the extreme way of HIT because there are many side to it and this is what makes me explode out of my skin, its that simple or not!!!

Going off track yet again here but I trained someone who ive known in the gym scene for around the last 15-20 yrs, he is a big guy and lives and breaths training, we talk often but don't ever train together. Anyway he asked me after workout last week to help him go through a couple of working sets on legs, so I had time and help him through. I wont go into detail what we did because its not on topic but this hardcore guy stayed in bed the day after all day because he couldn't walk, ive got to say this guy did everything I put on him but we only did 2 working sets and he was done. Funny story

[Java Man]

I've not been able to stick to my lift schedule last due to work, but am really looking forward to making up for it this coming week. Should be able to hit cardio, lift, eat, and sleep at any time of day/night that I desire. (This is about the 22nd day in a row working; some of them 10+ hours... think I'm getting a tad stale).

You need some days off damn. Are you a firefighter? Military?

[marcus300]

I've not been able to stick to my lift schedule last due to work, but am really looking forward to making up for it this coming week. Should be able to hit cardio, lift, eat, and sleep at any time of day/night that I desire. (This is about the 22nd day in a row working; some of them 10+ hours... think I'm getting a tad stale).

Happens to me all the time, all you got to do is make it count when you do get in the gym. I have grown more when I have more time off because my body fully repairs itself after the torture ive put it under. Sometimes it can work in your favour just make it count my friend when you do walk in the gym and lift that iron

[almostgone]

You need some days off damn. Are you a firefighter? Military?

Lol....overworked machinist. But time off is coming up .

[almostgone]

Happens to me all the time, all you got to do is make it count when you do get in the gym. I have grown more when I have more time off because my body fully repairs itself after the torture ive put it under. Sometimes it can work in your favour just make it count my friend when you do walk in the gym and lift that iron

Thanks, Marcus. Exactly what I was hoping to hear!! I will definitely make the time count/ focus completely on my task.

[mockery]

"What happens many think they are training to failure but infact they are holding back on the working set because they know in the back of their mind they have a drop set to complete, or a rest pause or forced and negatives, so they are not taking there working set to failure they are holding back and keeping something in the tank for the advance protocols."

This is something my training talks about during our sets only focus on now, not whats coming next.

[marcus300]

Repost - This is one working set on shoulders, I am trying to explain how I approach my working sets.

Example of my preparation for my 1 working set on a hammer strength shoulder press -working set with double dropset.

I am fully warmed up and have done my feeler sets to judge what amount of weight I will be doing, I know that this set is going to be a drop set so in my mind I know roughly how much my drops are going to be to finish the set. Machine is loaded and I am aiming for around 4-6 reps on the first set before drops, I sit on the bench and start to close my eyes and think of a situation from my past what ignites the adrenalin within me, I take myself back to how I felt at that exact time. My inner self is totally focused, my adrenaline is flowing, my aggression is sky high inside of me and ready to burst.

I grip the bar and roll my hands around the bar while taking deep breaths, my eyes are focused and I'm firing on all cylinders. My head is now concentrating on the weight and I am saying to my inner self "you lift this weight and destroy it". I start to count to in my head 1.......another deep breath 2...........another deep breath 3 and I lift the weight. It feels light due to the aggression and adrenaline flowing through me, I start to do the reps slowly with explosive power, making sure i am not going to injury my delt again, slowly down exploding up, slowly down exploding up. I start to think this is easy I am killing this weight around the 4 th rep I start to slow down, the pain starts to creep in, I am breathing heavy and grunting as i exhale. My partner is behind me telling me to "carry on come on lift the fuking weight" 5th rep done and it was so hard I know this is going to test me. The 6th rep I know its going to be hard and I should drop set now but my partner wont let me. He shouts "come on one more rep come on" so I start to lower the weight, the negative is killing me I can feel every fuking joint hurt in my body even my quads are hurting due to pressing down through my feet.

I start to press the 6th rep and I am quarter way up and its stalls, my partner says "come on finish the rep finish it" I grunt and force the bar up with the help of my partner just taking enough weight off that it moves very slowly, in the back of my head I am thinking come on help me more but he doesn't and I finish the rep off and I am totally exhausted I lock the bar and I bend over and start taking in deep breaths. My partner starts to take some weight off the bar so i can perform another 2-3 reps, by the time I've took 2 deep breaths the fuker as stripped the machine and he's giving me a slap across the back saying "come on lift the weight". I unlock and start but the weight feels the same, I am in pain now and I have to dig deep and start talking to my inner self, come on its all over in the next few reps my hearing starts popping and things go quiet, I am totally in the zone nothing can distract me and I start to press. All I can hear is muffled sound from my partner saying "come on". One rep is done and it went slow and my shoulders start to burn, they feel like cannon balls what are about to burst. I get to the top of the rep and start another rep but my strengths is fading fast the weight is too heavy, my partner starts to help me up with it but I stalls again but he keeps me going and I grunt the 2nd rep out. I lock because I knew the third rep wasn't there I was totally at the limit and if I attempted another rep my arms would of collapsed. I bend over and start to take deep breaths, I am thinking and putting myself in that time again what fires my aggression up, my partner is taking some weights off, I know any second I am going to have to finish this set. I am saying to myself last few reps this is it, you want big delts this is it.

I unlock the weight and start the first rep, I feel good the weight is lighter but the pump is killing me its hard, I'm counting each rep one......two and on the start of the third rep my eye balls are shaking I know this is limit time, my vision is going I have to concentrate to breath instead of holding my breath. I know I'm done i think this is going to be a negative rep not a positive because i cant push it up but I push with everything I've got and it moves just above my head, my partner starts screaming at me while pushing my elbows up "come on finish it". I am shouting inside to myself I will not fail I am going to finish this but I'm exhausted to the max and I know my total failure is just around the corner, but I push as hard as I possibly can and lock the bar I bend over and take some deep breaths. I'm still enraged with anger and stand up and move right over to the next movement dripping in sweat. I start to sip water and my hearing slowly starts to come back, my vision is good now and I start hearing my partner talking to me saying " holy shit that was a serious set I could see your delts grow while you was doing it" I start to calm down and look in the mirror and flex my delts and think YES.

Working set done now repeat the process with lateral, rears and shrugs.

The mind set you walk into the gym with goes a long way. Releasing the inner aggression so its controlled when lifting the weight is the key to maximizing gains and stimulating growth. Control your mind and you will have the best chance at exploding out of your skin. Find what works for you to get into this zone, sit silently, listen to music, think of a time what really makes you angry or do what ever it takes to get yourself in the zone to lift to your max. This isn't easy to master but once you do the rewards are outstanding. The mind is a very powerful thing and everything starts within the brain so train your inner self to get into the zone. When you watch most of the pro's train you will see them in the zone, its a natural thing what comes easy to them. Think about this next time your about to do your working set.

[mockery]

The mind set you walk into the gym with goes a long way. Releasing the inner aggression so its controlled when lifting the weight is the key to maximizing gains and stimulating growth. Control your mind and you will have the best chance at exploding out of your skin. Find what works for you to get into this zone, sit silently, listen to music, think of a time what really makes you angry or do what ever it takes to get yourself in the zone to lift to your max. This isn't easy to master but once you do the rewards are outstanding. The mind is a very powerful thing and everything starts within the brain so train your inner self to get into the zone. When you watch most of the pro's train you will see them in the zone, its a natural thing what comes easy to them. Think about this next time your about to do your working set.

Doesn't this make you look like a non approachable d-bag? The gym i train at now, i am mr angry on the gym floor i dont even talk to my coaches on days im not with them.

IM changing gyms soon, and was thinking about this... am i gonna look like a massive angry cvnt with a chip on his shoulder. especially when i go up to the biggest gym in the new gym and tell him to barbell curl else where so i can squat in the squat rack.

[marcus300]

Doesn't this make you look like a non approachable d-bag? The gym i train at now, i am mr angry on the gym floor i dont even talk to my coaches on days im not with them.

IM changing gyms soon, and was thinking about this... am i gonna look like a massive angry cvnt with a chip on his shoulder. especially when i go up to the biggest gym in the new gym and tell him to barbell curl else where so i can squat in the squat rack.

No not at all you don't understand, if you read what I wrote properly its all about what's inside yourself, the inner self and controlling the aggression within the set. Its got nothing to do with walking around the gym like a cvnt...Your a million miles away from what I was trying to learn you.

[mockery]

No not at all you don't understand, if you read what I wrote properly its all about what's inside yourself, the inner self and controlling the aggression within the set. Its got nothing to do with walking around the gym like a cvnt...Your a million miles away from what I was trying to learn you.

No i get the controlling and focusing the aggression to give the set 100% in your head, but for me i get a mad face when i do this! i haven't learned a poker face for the gym yet.

[marcus300]

No i get the controlling and focusing the aggression to give the set 100% in your head, but for me i get a mad face when i do this! i haven't learned a poker face for the gym yet.

That's not what you said but if you go around like that maybe your one of those cvnts who doesn't train right and looks like a unapproachable d- bag.

Read what I wrote and learn from it, learn how to train to true positive failure and also understand how to control the mind and inner aggression on the working set and things will look different for you.

[mockery]

That's not what you said but if you go around like that maybe your one of those cvnts who doesn't train right and looks like a unapproachable d- bag.

Read what I wrote and learn from it, learn how to train to true positive failure and also understand how to control the mind and inner aggression on the working set and things will look different for you.

I suppose i dont train everything right, i do rack pulls above my knees and alot of people snicker at me for this.

Im pretty humble when im on the gym floor. just have to work on my in the zone face haha

[mockery]

Cardio

when keeping calories up and creating a deficit via cardio, how long or how much becomes to much in regards to muscle wasting? doing low intensity cardio 3 times a day for 45 minutes excessive?

When trying to perfect the cardio routine, how reliable are the calories burned on the machine?

Or do i need to keep a record of my heart rate through the cardio session and do some number crunching after??

[marcus300]

Cardio

when keeping calories up and creating a deficit via cardio, how long or how much becomes to much in regards to muscle wasting? doing low intensity cardio 3 times a day for 45 minutes excessive?

When trying to perfect the cardio routine, how reliable are the calories burned on the machine?

Or do i need to keep a record of my heart rate through the cardio session and do some number crunching after??

Its all about monitoring yourself and seeing how you react to certain ways over 2 weeks and then adjust accordingly. Low intensity 3 times per week is good for me but no matter what i do my priority is muscle maintenance, I slowly cut and introduce certain things as my progress slows down. I get up to around 65-75 % of my max heart rate but if i feel I am doing to much i will pull back. I go through hell building big thick muscles there isn't a chance i will just diet them away like many do for low bf numbers. I get there in the end but with the advantage of keeping my muscle tissue. I use to build and then diet it off and be stuck in a circle of this for years and i thought fuk this why should i go through hell and then waste it away with these stupid calorie restricted diets. I will drop bf over 12-15 weeks and start off with very slowly adjustments to see how i respond.

[Rusty11]

Repost - This is one working set on shoulders, I am trying to explain how I approach my working sets.

Example of my preparation for my 1 working set on a hammer strength shoulder press -working set with double dropset.

I am fully warmed up and have done my feeler sets to judge what amount of weight I will be doing, I know that this set is going to be a drop set so in my mind I know roughly how much my drops are going to be to finish the set. Machine is loaded and I am aiming for around 4-6 reps on the first set before drops, I sit on the bench and start to close my eyes and think of a situation from my past what ignites the adrenalin within me, I take myself back to how I felt at that exact time. My inner self is totally focused, my adrenaline is flowing, my aggression is sky high inside of me and ready to burst.

I grip the bar and roll my hands around the bar while taking deep breaths, my eyes are focused and I'm firing on all cylinders. My head is now concentrating on the weight and I am saying to my inner self "you lift this weight and destroy it". I start to count to in my head 1.......another deep breath 2...........another deep breath 3 and I lift the weight. It feels light due to the aggression and adrenaline flowing through me, I start to do the reps slowly with explosive power, making sure i am not going to injury my delt again, slowly down exploding up, slowly down exploding up. I start to think this is easy I am killing this weight around the 4 th rep I start to slow down, the pain starts to creep in, I am breathing heavy and grunting as i exhale. My partner is behind me telling me to "carry on come on lift the fuking weight" 5th rep done and it was so hard I know this is going to test me. The 6th rep I know its going to be hard and I should drop set now but my partner wont let me. He shouts "come on one more rep come on" so I start to lower the weight, the negative is killing me I can feel every fuking joint hurt in my body even my quads are hurting due to pressing down through my feet.

I start to press the 6th rep and I am quarter way up and its stalls, my partner says "come on finish the rep finish it" I grunt and force the bar up with the help of my partner just taking enough weight off that it moves very slowly, in the back of my head I am thinking come on help me more but he doesn't and I finish the rep off and I am totally exhausted I lock the bar and I bend over and start taking in deep breaths. My partner starts to take some weight off the bar so i can perform another 2-3 reps, by the time I've took 2 deep breaths the fuker as stripped the machine and he's giving me a slap across the back saying "come on lift the weight". I unlock and start but the weight feels the same, I am in pain now and I have to dig deep and start talking to my inner self, come on its all over in the next few reps my hearing starts popping and things go quiet, I am totally in the zone nothing can distract me and I start to press. All I can hear is muffled sound from my partner saying "come on". One rep is done and it went slow and my shoulders start to burn, they feel like cannon balls what are about to burst. I get to the top of the rep and start another rep but my strengths is fading fast the weight is too heavy, my partner starts to help me up with it but I stalls again but he keeps me going and I grunt the 2nd rep out. I lock because I knew the third rep wasn't there I was totally at the limit and if I attempted another rep my arms would of collapsed. I bend over and start to take deep breaths, I am thinking and putting myself in that time again what fires my aggression up, my partner is taking some weights off, I know any second I am going to have to finish this set. I am saying to myself last few reps this is it, you want big delts this is it.

I unlock the weight and start the first rep, I feel good the weight is lighter but the pump is killing me its hard, I'm counting each rep one......two and on the start of the third rep my eye balls are shaking I know this is limit time, my vision is going I have to concentrate to breath instead of holding my breath. I know I'm done i think this is going to be a negative rep not a positive because i cant push it up but I push with everything I've got and it moves just above my head, my partner starts screaming at me while pushing my elbows up "come on finish it". I am shouting inside to myself I will not fail I am going to finish this but I'm exhausted to the max and I know my total failure is just around the corner, but I push as hard as I possibly can and lock the bar I bend over and take some deep breaths. I'm still enraged with anger and stand up and move right over to the next movement dripping in sweat. I start to sip water and my hearing slowly starts to come back, my vision is good now and I start hearing my partner talking to me saying " holy shit that was a serious set I could see your delts grow while you was doing it" I start to calm down and look in the mirror and flex my delts and think YES.

Working set done now repeat the process with lateral, rears and shrugs.

The mind set you walk into the gym with goes a long way. Releasing the inner aggression so its controlled when lifting the weight is the key to maximizing gains and stimulating growth. Control your mind and you will have the best chance at exploding out of your skin. Find what works for you to get into this zone, sit silently, listen to music, think of a time what really makes you angry or do what ever it takes to get yourself in the zone to lift to your max. This isn't easy to master but once you do the rewards are outstanding. The mind is a very powerful thing and everything starts within the brain so train your inner self to get into the zone. When you watch most of the pro's train you will see them in the zone, its a natural thing what comes easy to them. Think about this next time your about to do your working set.

Hell yes. Thank you. Today is shoulders for me. Perfect for me to read right before I get started.

[Rusty11]

That's not what you said but if you go around like that maybe your one of those cvnts who doesn't train right and looks like a unapproachable d- bag.
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Gawd, I love it when the big guy says it like it is. LOL!!!

[almostgone]

Hell yes. Thank you. Today is shoulders for me. Perfect for me to read right before I get started.

Are you trying the 5 day routine that Marcus posted?

[Rusty11]

Are you trying the 5 day routine that Marcus posted?

I usually go 4 a week, but I'm off work for the next three weeks, thought I'd give it a go. I work out alone, so I can't do the negs on most things, but definitely be doing 1/2 and 1/4 reps, as well as rest pause until I can't freaking move that muscle an inch.

[Rusty11]

I noticed on that routine there are flat and incline flys on chest day and db and bb rows on back day. I can feel the pain and agony and cussing already...lol

[almostgone]

Same here. I workout by myself in my shop. Have a few pieces of equipment. The rest pause and drop setting works great for me on most of the exercises. I do some forced rep unilateral exercises on cable machines by using the free hand to cheat/assist on the positive and let the muscle being worked handle the negative.

[Rusty11]

Yes. Working out alone does have its challenges and limitations, but like your examples, we can still do what needs to be done. A working set of 4-6 reps, along with a couple of rest pauses or dropset and/or negs when possible, has changed everything for me.

[kelkel]

The mind set you walk into the gym with goes a long way. Releasing the inner aggression so its controlled when lifting the weight is the key to maximizing gains and stimulating growth. Control your mind and you will have the best chance at exploding out of your skin. Find what works for you to get into this zone, sit silently, listen to music, think of a time what really makes you angry or do what ever it takes to get yourself in the zone to lift to your max. This isn't easy to master but once you do the rewards are outstanding. The mind is a very powerful thing and everything starts within the brain so train your inner self to get into the zone. When you watch most of the pro's train you will see them in the zone, its a natural thing what comes easy to them. Think about this next time your about to do your working set.

To piggyback on this a bit. Totally agree with Marcus. Your mind is the most important muscle you have to develop when trying to switch over to this type training. It's NOT something you can just one day decide to do and perfect it. You're kidding yourself if you think this is the case. I don't care how experienced you are. Yes, you read and learn here and it amps up your training, which is the point. But time, training and developing your mindset is what will over time take you to the next level you search for. Realize that you're new to this and in time when you look back you will see that you are in this styles "infancy stage." Don't take that negatively, it's only meant for you to realize that it's a journey and eventually you'll see this. You will grow both mentally and physically if you stick to this style.

When I first started out I was getting tired of all the "normal" set and rep schemes. I can remember back to squats as my trigger point in beginning to change how I trained. I'd be doing 3-4 heavy "working" sets on them and would always pay the price the next day or so with lower back stiffness, etc. I slowly started to drop the sets and up the intensity to where I got to the point of doing only one balls out heavy set of squats. Naturally my partners bailed out on me at this point. I began to learn how to mentally push that set to points I'd really never been to before. It wasn't always pretty (think nosebleeds, etc) but I learned what I had to do for me to reach that zone. Growth improved, rest improved, soreness from over-working went away.

The success I had on quads was soon carried over to all other body parts. And they're not all the same. You kinda have to learn how each one responds to you and tweak things just a bit to suit your needs and development. Example of that for me is biceps. I rarely do RP's or drops for them. Drops if anything. Reason is I just am able to get a hell of a contraction with biceps and can simply kill it without utilizing them all that much. To each his own.

Anyway, I just wanted to add a bit to what the big man reiterated above and get the point across that this style takes time. You can't just flip a switch and suddenly be "on point" with this type of training style. Keep working at it, keep learning your body and most importantly keep pushing the boundaries of your mental abilities to go beyond the norm. This is where you'll succeed.

kel

[Rusty11]

Great post, kel. Thanks. The only thing I'm confident about is that I'm learning each time I train.

[marcus300]

Kel - we could train together and not speak and know exactly what each other is thinking. Thanks for the reinforcement

[DCI]

Great posts lads really informative again for everybody to remember the mental side of this lifestyle.

Today, was a diaster of a day the gym never said they were closing early so missed the gym due to work today which pissed me off up early in the morning for the gym

[kelkel]

Great post, kel. Thanks. The only thing I'm confident about is that I'm learning each time I train.

Thanks Rusty.

Kel - we could train together and not speak and know exactly what each other is thinking. Thanks for the reinforcement

No doubt we could, and no problem reinforcing it. It reminds me of guys reading BB'ing magazines and imitating their routines, which we've all done at some point. Doing that does not make you their equal or put you on par with their intensity level. This all takes time to develop and I just want the guys to know that it can and will happen and good things will come from it. Just be patient and keep learning and training.

And btw, my fvcking shoulder hurts today, dammit. NSAId and DMSO'd up already.

[Rusty11]

Well, doing seated db laterals instead of my usual one-arm standing, made me feel like a fricking 12 yr old girl. I'm pretty pissed right now. Since I suked so bad with these, they will stay for a while. Also, I had a brutal time getting those db up for pressing. Took too much energy and could only do 3 reps. RP was out of the question. Thinking about using the bb for pressing.

[NotTheSame]

So i did legs a couple of days ago and i found it tough on squats to hold decent form when really trying to push past failure. I think i got to about 6 reps and wanted to push out more before i did a drop set (which i did) but i found myself with really bad form on the last 2 reps, leaning forward and not arching properly etc and in the end it probably stopped me for trying for one more rep because on the last one i was over my knees way too much.

It's not like some other exercises where you can get away with some bad form to really finish the set because its a bit more of a safety concern with your back. I have a pretty good handle on blocking my back so even when i do find myself leaning forward a little i never really feel it in the back its just something I'm wary of. Nothing more frustrating than an injury.

[marcus300]

So i did legs a couple of days ago and i found it tough on squats to hold decent form when really trying to push past failure. I think i got to about 6 reps and wanted to push out more before i did a drop set (which i did) but i found myself with really bad form on the last 2 reps, leaning forward and not arching properly etc and in the end it probably stopped me for trying for one more rep because on the last one i was over my knees way too much.

It's not like some other exercises where you can get away with some bad form to really finish the set because its a bit more of a safety concern with your back. I have a pretty good handle on blocking my back so even when i do find myself leaning forward a little i never really feel it in the back its just something I'm wary of. Nothing more frustrating than an injury.

It's a really hard movement to perform if your drop setting. You'd be better doing drops on hacks or leg press. It's not worth the injury.

[kelkel]

It's a really hard movement to perform if your drop setting. You'd be better doing drops on hacks or leg press. It's not worth the injury.

X2. Really hard movement to do drop's and RP's on. Not saying it can't be done but..... Same for dead's. Save it for the supported movements where you don't risk critical injuries....

[kelkel]

Well, doing seated db laterals instead of my usual one-arm standing, made me feel like a fricking 12 yr old girl. I'm pretty pissed right now. Since I suked so bad with these, they will stay for a while. Also, I had a brutal time getting those db up for pressing. Took too much energy and could only do 3 reps. RP was out of the question. Thinking about using the bb for pressing.

Can you set the dumbells on your knees and then "kick" them up. The momentum boost usually gets them right up there.

[NotTheSame]

Can you set the dumbells on your knees and then "kick" them up. The momentum boost usually gets them right up there.

Geez how much are you guys lifting for db laterals to need to kick them up? My shoulders are super weak.

[Cuz]

Well, doing seated db laterals instead of my usual one-arm standing, made me feel like a fricking 12 yr old girl. I'm pretty pissed right now. Since I suked so bad with these, they will stay for a while. Also, I had a brutal time getting those db up for pressing. Took too much energy and could only do 3 reps. RP was out of the question. Thinking about using the bb for pressing.

You are looking pretty damn big in your av man. I wouldn't worry

[Cuz]

Geez how much are you guys lifting for db laterals to need to kick them up? My shoulders are super weak.

He's talking about pressing DB's

[Cuz]

Yeah, does anyone drop on deads? Curious myself.

Yes I frequently drop on deads, drop to the floor of complete exhaustion lol. I never drop them, deads are a hard movement to do as is dropping to me is just not worth it.

[Mp859]

Had a killer leg workout. Everything went great and then on my quad finisher(leg ext) I pulled my damn quad muscle. Wtf!!! Looks like ice all night for me. So frustrating

[AD]

Yes I frequently drop on deads, drop to the floor of complete exhaustion lol. I never drop them, deads are a hard movement to do as is dropping to me is just not worth it.

thats what i call drop dead