**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[hawk14dl]

Roger, what are your TT and FT numbers?

It's possible your values are simply too much, and you could function and feel fine in the 600-700 range as opposed to 900-1000.

[kelkel]

Hey kelkel and everyone else, i think im making a very big decision here and ive tried a few times before and failed because i figured going back to TRT and cruising is much easier and i lose no muscle but now ive really thought it through and let me break it down.

i started on TRT and my first cycle and stuff in feb 2012, ever since then i blasted and cruised getting regular bloods done etc etc, about december 2012 i started feeling different, i changed, my personality changed , even people commented on how i was different, i stopped going out to nighclubs as i couldnt handle them anymore, i was paranoid about guys getting in with my missus etc etc, all of which didnt bother me before i started feeling different, now days i get agitated, things annoy me, i feel very different and even people can see that, its almost as if ive changed into a completely different person.


now i had lots of bloods done to check everything, nothing that was out of range which i fixed made me go back to who i iused to be before december 2012, E2 was high and with your help bringing that back into range a few months ago still didnt fix who i used to be. Anyway long story short im now contemplating coming off and trying to restore natural test if i still have any, i was put on TRT by a doctor but im now thinking ill try coming off and go back to being natrual and see if that brings my old self back.

What are your though, or everyone in heres thoughts?

Going off of TRT would only put you back to whatever crappy natural level you had before. So, unless you feel you were mis-diagnosed I'd consider simply staying at a normal TRT dose for an extended period of time and seeing if things improve. Do this in conjunction with analyzing your personal life and removing anything stressful, as well as learning how to relax. Relaxing is harder than you think for many people. Remember, cortisol is the "stress hormone" so check it as well next time. Vit C at 1-2 grams per day is known to help with stress.

Keep us updated.

[Hazard]

I found this interesting.....

http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/muscle_growth.txt

From: Eddy <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:40:47 -0600 (MDT)

Comments welcome - anyone who has been following this type of
program?, would be interested in results.

THE BEST WAY TO TRAIN FOR SIZE

by Walter Eddy

Many bodybuilders know less about 'weight training' than Medical rehab
personal and Professional Sport Coaches. Ironic? - yes, after all -
bodybuilding is weightlifting. Yet bodybuilders tend to seek out
information from anyone who promises to make them big, tell them the
secret on how to get big like the Pro bodybuilders - when the only secret
is that steroids are the ONLY way to get that kinda big.

So what do Pro Sport Coaches and Med. rehab people know that you may not -
that's what is about to be covered, so pay attention if you want to know
the truth - go elsewhere if you're looking for a bunch of golden promises.

Very little money has been spent on 'bodybuilding' research. On the other
hand millions have been spent on ways to improve the performance of Pro
and 'Olympic' athletes. Not to mention the years of research put into
studying muscle rehabilitation for medical purposes. It is from these
sources that the real information on getting 'big' (as big as is possible
with or without steroids), can be found. The information is out there, you
just have to look for it - the important facts to you, the bodybuilder,
will be covered in this article.

Training/growth facts - what the studies prove.

The goal of every bodybuilder is to get bigger muscles. With this goal in
mind lets cover what research has taught us - and how to put it to use .

FIRST: Muscle strength in the adult human is relative to cross section
area (size). An equal cross-sectional area of muscle from any average
trained women or man has about the same 'strength' (i.e.: can generate the
same amount of force, 6 kg - cm2), there is very little variation. To put
it another way, generally speaking - all human muscle tissue has (about)
the same amount of strength, or is able to generate the same amount of
force. So the greater the size, cross-sectional, the greater the strength.
However, it is important to point out that bone structure, muscle
attachments, neural factors, etc., play a very important part in
performing 'feats of strength', so two people with equal cross section
areas of muscle may still perform very differently -- not due to stronger
muscle tissue, but due to other factors.

What does this mean to the bodybuilder - it means that if you wish to
increase muscle mass you must train the muscle to be able to generate more
force - which in turn means the muscle must grow. Don't confuse
increasing muscle size with increasing performance strength - performance
strength - for example the amount of weight a person can bench press -
depends on a number of factors - neural factors being very important.
Increasing muscle size will help increase performance strength -- but
increasing performance strength does not necessarily mean that you will
increase muscle size. That may sound confusing - re-read the paragraph
before this one again if you still do not understand.

Putting this information to use. To increase muscle size (or mass), you
must increase the cross sectional area. Because there is a limit to the
amount of force (strength) a set cross-sectional area of muscle can
generate -muscle tissue must increase in size (cross-sectional area) to be
able to handle a greater force (to become 'stronger') - the result: bigger
muscles. So the best way to make your muscle bigger - - train in such a
way as to increase the amount of force you can generate - and, of course,
to make the muscle grow as fast as possible. This last statement 'as fast
as possible' is another key term - most types of resistance training will
cause your muscles to grow, the question you should be asking is, is this
the fastest way? You will find the best answers research has to offer
here.

Applying this information to your training.

This is where powerlifters, bodybuilders and endurance athletes part ways.
The goal of an endurance athlete is not to increase muscle mass - the goal
of a powerlifter is to be able to generate as much power as possible - the
goal of a bodybuilder is to increase muscle size as much as possible. Some
training principals apply to all three, but there are also some
significant differences. What will be covered here is the best way to get
'big'.

SIDE NOTE: The untrained muscle responds much better than the trained
muscle. This simply means that the untrained person will experience much
faster gains in strength and growth than the person who has several months
of GOOD training under there belt. This is a well known fact - not
someone's opinion.

TRAINING FOR GROWTH

First - be sure NOT to skip the above material - the above facts play an
important part in understanding how to train correctly for growth.

Different types of exercises will not be covered here - why? - the type of
exercise you do (i.e.: push-ups, sit-ups, presses, curls, etc.) have
nothing to do with growth - - they determine which muscle(s) receive the
stimulation. The 'method' you use is what will cause your muscle to become
bigger, stronger, faster, etc.. Let's make sure this is clear, as many
people do not understand this, and it is an important point - it is HOW
you train - NOT the exercise itself - - that cause muscles to grow.

Research on muscle recovery for medical reasons has been done for hundreds
of years now - that's correct - 100's. Research was greatly stepped up
after World War 2 - it was at this time that the benefits of resistance
training began to be understood. Over the last 20 years the benefits of
resistance training have been greatly accepted and researched. Over the
last few years new types of testing methods - and computers - have come a
long way in finding the best - and fastest - way to 'build' muscle. Why is
this important to people other than bodybuilders? - in the Medical
community the information is considered important so that patients in
rehabilitation may recover as quickly as possible. In sports it is
important because it is now known that resistance training can enhance all
types of performance. This is where the research is being done - and why.
Bodybuilders are still on the bottom of the list - but are still included
in some studies - not to help 'bodybuilders' - but to gain more
understanding of muscle growth.

So what does research tell us - some of this you may know - some may
surprise you. PRE - or Progressive Resistance training - is considered the
best method of training for size. Before you say 'big deal' read on - PRE
has changed much over the years. It was first started by DeLorme, T.L.
who did the research on it (Restoration of muscle power by
heavy-resistance exercise. J. Bone Joint Surg. 27:645,1945). Many of the
principles still hold true - but many refinements have been made as well.

THE BEST WAY TO TRAIN FOR SIZE - WHAT RESEARCH HAS SHOWN

SETS

2 sets (of maximum effort), are far more effective that 1 (fastest
increases in growth and strength), and it appears that 3 sets are slightly
more beneficial than doing 2. There is no evidence that doing more that 3
sets will help - or hurt. Rest between sets should be at least 1 min. and
no more than 5 min. - no difference has been shown between taking a 1 min.
or 5 min. rest - in terms of growth and strength increases - the choice is
yours. All sets should be done to the point where another rep is not
possible. (Warm up sets should be done first).

REPS

Reps ranging from 3 to 12 are all considered good variations - this is not
news to anyone - however this may be - it appears to be important to do at
least one set of 10 RM each session. (I'm not going to go into details on
this - this is what studies have concluded - take it or leave it). For
those who do not understand - this means that you should do one set with
enough weight so that you are only capable of doing 10 reps. You may mix
up the sequence any way you like, examples: 3-6-10; 12-11-10; 3-10-12;
10-10-10. Any combination is acceptable - just do 1 set of 10 RM each
time. (Side note: I myself am not exactly clear on the point of doing one
set of 10 each session but shall continue to research this point - I
believe that it may be important as a 'control' as much as any other
factor.)

PROGRESSIVE

The progressive part of PRE means that it is very important to increase
your 'load' on a weekly basis. Your 10 RM is the control. You must
increase the amount of weight you use for your 10 RM each week by at least
a small amount

SPEED

Shocker number two - it has been shown that fast movements (contractions),
produce the greatest increases in strength and growth. This really should
not come as a surprise. The speed of movement when lifting a weight that
you are only capable of doing 10 reps with, even performing the reps as
fast as possible with good form, is still very slow compared to many
sports movements - such as swinging a bat, throwing a ball, running - etc.
The concentric part of the movement should be done as fast as possible -
however this does not mean to 'jerk' the weight - it is also very
important that the movement be done in a 'smooth' manner. This is
important - 'jerking' the weight may cause an increase in strength due to
neural factors - but it is not the best way to increase muscle size.

FREQUENCY

Benefits from PRE can be achieved by training a muscle(s) as little as
once a week. The best results for the TRAINED individual APPEAR to be
training a muscle no more than 3 times a week, HOWEVER THIS IS NOT
CONCLUSIVE - it is possible that training more or less may have a SMALL
advantage - the new trainer can get best results training a muscle up to 5
times a week.. Another possible shocker - training when muscles are
'sore' may help speed recovery and is recommended - however you should not
train to the point of causing 'pain' (or if you are already in 'pain').
Working a muscle that is sore - even one that has been injured - will
cause the muscle to recover much more rapidly that resting the muscle -
you must know the difference between pain and soreness however - and
should not do anything that will cause pain. (If you are recovering from
an injury please be sure to follow your Doctors instructions.)

NUTRITION and SUPPLEMENTS

Nutrition is a very important part of getting 'big'. This should be very
simple to understand but still many people don't. If you want to build a
house there is one thing YOU HAVE TO HAVE - materials. If you want to
build muscle you have to feed them - plain and simple. To gain mass you
have to eat more calories than your body needs - or at least the exact
amount that it needs for energy, repair, etc. (because there is no way of
knowing your exact needs it is wise to eat a bit more than you feel you
need). If you don't YOUR MUSCLES WILL NOT GROW.

Supplements are another story. Research has shown that only drugs will
make your muscles grow beyond 'normal'. Other supplements do have their
place. It is important that your body has all the nutrients it needs - any
less will slow your progress. There may be a very slight advantage to
getting a little more of some things than your body needs - but there is
little doubt that if your body is not getting enough of something it will
hurt your progress. For example, most people are known to be deficient in
Zinc (there is not enough of it in our diets), in which case it has been
proven that supplemental Zinc will increase the testosterone levels (in
men). It has also been shown that taking twice as much as you need will
not be of benefit - and may even have adverse effects on your health.

INFORMATION

This training information is the result of over 50 years of research on
PRE - - by hundreds of researchers. They know what their talking about.
There are two important last points to make , researchers will be the
first to tell you that everything is not known about the best way to train
- but any improvements made on what is currently known - about training
methods - will be very slight. Every possible combination of training
methods (within reason), have been studied. If big improvements are to be
made in 'muscle building', it will be in areas other than training.

The PLATEAU

Now the bad news - if you train correctly you will 'level off'. The
training methods covered here have been shown to be better (produce faster
and better results), than any other researched training methods. (Again,
it is possible that slight variations will be found to have some slight
benefit). Here's what to expect - if your train correctly for maximum
growth you will make very fast gains for the first 3 to 6 months. At this
point you will gradually start to taper off - after two years of training
you can expect the gains to come very slowly - at some point, to be
totally honest, further 'overall' gains will be almost impossible unless
you take anabolic steroids or other types of anabolic drugs. (Which I do
not recommend). This does not mean that you can't continue to improve your
appearance. It is at this time that you should start paying more attention
to your weak areas, your diet, etc. - you can always improve - and hope -
that more can be learned on how to increase muscle size through natural
methods - without the use of steroids.

LAST NOTE: SHORT ON TIME?

A 1 rep max (1 RM), done once a week, (after warm up) - has been shown to
be very effective in increasing strength and size during 6 week studies.

REFERENCES

PRIMARY SOURCE:

McArdle, W.D., and Katch, F.I., and Katch, V.L., Exercise Physiology,
fourth edition, Williams and Wilkins, 1996. (includes 178 source
referencences pertaining to the above subject).

Other References:

Guyton, A.C., Function of the Human Body, fourth edition, Saunders, 1974.
Nobel, B.J., Physiology of Exercise and Sport, Times Mirror/Mosby, 1986.
Hendler, S.S., The Doctors' Vitamin and Mineral Encyclopedia, Simon and
Schuster, 1990.
Hatfield, F.C., Bodybuilding a Scientific Approach,
Contemporary, 1984.

[Hazard]

One thing I'd like to point out in that article..... It states "you must not be able to do one more rep...." You need to goto failure.

It's nothing new for this thread..... But worthy of posting

[almostgone]

Switching to DBs saved my elbows, as well. Just wondering if you guys have your palms facing straight ahead or facing each other when doing skull crushers...or does it even matter? Wondering if one incorporates the tris more. Thanks.

I was doing them w/palms forward like they would be with a bar, but will be trying them palms facing/ hammer grip next arm session....which I hope is in the morning after work. F-in weather is perfect for lifting right now.
Marcus recently posted something about this maybe a page back or so?

Edit: Check out around post # 14,933 and the posts after. My phone won't let me link to a single post..(this thread would make one h-ll of a book. over 15k in posts)

Good to hear you're still @ it, Rusty!

[clarky.]

Switching to DBs saved my elbows, as well. Just wondering if you guys have your palms facing straight ahead or facing each other when doing skull crushers...or does it even matter? Wondering if one incorporates the tris more. Thanks.

Facing each other rusty.

[marcus300]

Hey kelkel and everyone else, i think im making a very big decision here and ive tried a few times before and failed because i figured going back to TRT and cruising is much easier and i lose no muscle but now ive really thought it through and let me break it down.

i started on TRT and my first cycle and stuff in feb 2012, ever since then i blasted and cruised getting regular bloods done etc etc, about december 2012 i started feeling different, i changed, my personality changed , even people commented on how i was different, i stopped going out to nighclubs as i couldnt handle them anymore, i was paranoid about guys getting in with my missus etc etc, all of which didnt bother me before i started feeling different, now days i get agitated, things annoy me, i feel very different and even people can see that, its almost as if ive changed into a completely different person.


now i had lots of bloods done to check everything, nothing that was out of range which i fixed made me go back to who i iused to be before december 2012, E2 was high and with your help bringing that back into range a few months ago still didnt fix who i used to be. Anyway long story short im now contemplating coming off and trying to restore natural test if i still have any, i was put on TRT by a doctor but im now thinking ill try coming off and go back to being natrual and see if that brings my old self back.

What are your though, or everyone in heres thoughts?

I presume you was put on TRT for good reason so coming off the therapy will only bring back the low test symptoms of living in hell on a daily basis. From what you said in the post above I would work on confidence, self esteem and how to handle stress. There are some very good techniques what will help you overcome your anxieties but coming off something what would sink your testosterone will be a big mistake IMHO.

[marcus300]

Switching to DBs saved my elbows, as well. Just wondering if you guys have your palms facing straight ahead or facing each other when doing skull crushers...or does it even matter? Wondering if one incorporates the tris more. Thanks.

Here you are guys video of Heath doing the lying DB extension, remember flat or incline will hit different parts of the long head. Wonder movement IMHO

[marcus300]

Throat opened up during legs session and I nearly puked, managed to keep it down but had to leave had the shakes bad and was breathing heavily more than normal. Did I huge squat set which finished me off, fuking hard to hold the bar due to my shoulder injury but with some stretching I did well. All round good session.

[hawk14dl]

Roger, could also be the high dose of tren you said you're taking in another thread.you've got to give all the info man.

[marcus300]

Roger, could also be the high dose of tren you said you're taking in another thread.you've got to give all the info man.

very true if there are other compound's at work other than the trt then we need to know about them and its probably them what's making your have these feeling/emotions

[marcus300]

Hot pan toasted some oats added two bananas cinnamon and 7 whole eggs, scrambled all together and down the hatch Mmmmmmm

[hawk14dl]

Marcus just to get an idea of how much you eat, how much oats did you have in that meal?

[marcus300]

Marcus just to get an idea of how much you eat, how much oats did you have in that meal?

A good hand full, I have big hands I don't weight any of my food I know the amounts to eat from yrs of doing this.

[Rusty11]

Thanks for the replies everyone. Great video, marcus.
almostgone, of course still at it. Did a couple rounds of GVT just to mix it up. Chest responded nicely to that. Now, back to HIT. Seeing doc today about a pulled groin, I think. Heavy squats and lack of proper warm up did my old body in.
Gotta stretch/warm up more on leg day. 53 sux!

[kelkel]

I don't weight any of my food I know the amounts to eat from yrs of doing this.

Yep.....

[clarky.]

Had a rest day today not 100% been like this since sat night. But my front,side,rear delt are really sore from yesterday

[kelkel]

Had a rest day today not 100% been like this since sat night. But my front,side,rear delt are really sore from yesterday

Eat and sleep.

[kelkel]

Some new calf training tips:

How To Make Calves Bigger

[almostgone]

Thanks for the replies everyone. Great video, marcus.
almostgone, of course still at it. Did a couple rounds of GVT just to mix it up. Chest responded nicely to that. Now, back to HIT. Seeing doc today about a pulled groin, I think. Heavy squats and lack of proper warm up did my old body in.
Gotta stretch/warm up more on leg day. 53 sux!

Hope the muscle strain goes away ASAP, Rusty. I've been making sure to give my lower back, hips, legs, etc. a little extra time stretching. Seems to be helping...50 is somewhat irksome, too.

[almostgone]

Some new calf training tips:

How To Make Calves Bigger

LMAO @ his favorite last resort....Passages Malibu.

[marcus300]

Just finished arms, it was brutal, hard and intense.

Usual Oats, banana and eggs after

weight 256lbs

Looking a bit smooth but that's due to the sodium intake ive been having over the last 7 days, will be knocking that on the head. Veins all over my arms and looking big

[clarky.]

Did back today

Close grip pd 2 working DD + 1 RP at the end

wide grip pd 1 working DD

Seated row 1 working TD

Shrugs 2 working DD

Good session today guys still not 100% but i got a two new weights
Close grip pd and shrugs weights up so i'm a happy chappy. No deads today as i did not feel right so i'll take it easy today and rest tomorrow.

Side note it's ma birthday today

[marcus300]

Did back today

Close grip pd 2 working DD + 1 RP at the end

wide grip pd 1 working DD

Seated row 1 working TD

Shrugs 2 working DD

Good session today guys still not 100% but i got a two new weights
Close grip pd and shrugs weights up so i'm a happy chappy. No deads today as i did not feel right so i'll take it easy today and rest tomorrow.

Side note it's ma birthday today

Happy birthday my Scottish friend, did you get a new kilt

[DCI]

Happy Birthday Clarky. Doing chest tonight will be sore

[clarky.]

Happy birthday my Scottish friend, did you get a new kilt

Lol did i fvck Thanks.

Happy Birthday Clarky. Doing chest tonight will be sore

Ta mate. Have a good session

[Dpyle]

This new schedule has my body all mixed up. Appetite is off and haven't been able to eat at the normal volume. So for now I've just been shooting to maintain protein intake. Down about 5lbs over the last couple weeks, but it seems to be mostly fat coming off. Still hitting my training sessions hard and intense so ill take it for the moment.

[almostgone]

Did back today

Close grip pd 2 working DD + 1 RP at the end

wide grip pd 1 working DD

Seated row 1 working TD

Shrugs 2 working DD

Good session today guys still not 100% but i got a two new weights
Close grip pd and shrugs weights up so i'm a happy chappy. No deads today as i did not feel right so i'll take it easy today and rest tomorrow.

Side note it's ma birthday today

Happy b'day, Clarky! ...nice lift.

[kelkel]

Happy b'day, Clarky! ...nice lift.

X2 buddy.

[kelkel]

Pounding coffee, getting ready for legs. No clue what's on the agenda other than pain. That will have to suffice.

[Dpyle]

Body fat keeps coming down and weight still holding at 183. Chest is on fire from yesterday's session and I'm headed out to blast my back before work today.

[clarky.]

Happy b'day, Clarky! ...nice lift.

X2 buddy.

Thank you guys.

[clarky.]

Had a rest today still not right i think i'm going to go and get a 2nd opinion the doc said today that it was a muscle pull in my lower right abdomen. The pain and the sickness feeling started on sat night and has not went away.

[kelkel]

Leg work done and it went great....

Extensions to warm up then two heavy, slow sets. Well, as heavy as my unit will really let me. Still ends up around 20 reps.....
Then went to squats first, which is not the norm for me. Warm ups were a little tight. Got to my working set and it all fell into place. Got 15 solid reps with a slower pace and really squeezing and focusing on the muscle. Just felt strong.

Sat down and began to fight with my conscious whether to add another 50 or 90lbs or just stay and focus. In an unusual moment of intelligence, I chose to stay at the same weight. Got under the bar after about a minute and a half rest and cranked out 12 more solid reps. Half way through the set on the way out of the hole I was letting out a kinda guttural type yell or something just instinctive. I knew I was beating the weight, it was not beating me. Everything just felt exceptional. Foot position, mechanics, form, etc...

Moved on to heavy vertical's, two sets of about 8 reps.
Seated leg curls, two sets 8-10 reps
Usual calf crap.

Anyway. It was a great day. A lot of little aches and pains lately, but today they didn't show their ugly faces. Off to make a large protein drink concoction!

[DCI]

Rest day today, need it back and chest is in bits

[marcus300]

Leg work done and it went great....

Extensions to warm up then two heavy, slow sets. Well, as heavy as my unit will really let me. Still ends up around 20 reps.....
Then went to squats first, which is not the norm for me. Warm ups were a little tight. Got to my working set and it all fell into place. Got 15 solid reps with a slower pace and really squeezing and focusing on the muscle. Just felt strong.

Sat down and began to fight with my conscious whether to add another 50 or 90lbs or just stay and focus. In an unusual moment of intelligence, I chose to stay at the same weight. Got under the bar after about a minute and a half rest and cranked out 12 more solid reps. Half way through the set on the way out of the hole I was letting out a kinda guttural type yell or something just instinctive. I knew I was beating the weight, it was not beating me. Everything just felt exceptional. Foot position, mechanics, form, etc...

Moved on to heavy vertical's, two sets of about 8 reps.
Seated leg curls, two sets 8-10 reps
Usual calf crap.

Anyway. It was a great day. A lot of little aches and pains lately, but today they didn't show their ugly faces. Off to make a large protein drink concoction!

Nice

[kelkel]

Nice

It was. You should have been there!

[almostgone]

Felt good to hit it again today...just fitting in a session whenever I can. 15 min. of stretching hips, lower back, and upper legs prior to lifting.

Biceps stretch off a high bar in Smythe machine
Seated d'bell curls-2 w/u, Work-2,drop,2.5,drop,2,drop,3-2
Incline d'bell curl-1 w/u, Work-3,drop,2.5,drop,1.5-3.5. Long 5 count on the last .5 rep. Warmup/feeler set was very painful. Got a tremendous burn @ work set.
Bent over cable concentration curl- Work-7.5-5 with left arm. Got a couple of reps less with right arm, so after 1 min. I grabbed another work set with that arm. Failed @ 4 and then 1 cheat rep. I like these. Still tinkering w/ the foot position of the support leg so it doesn't get burned by cable. These are going to stay in the schedule for a.while.
Seated hammer curl-1 w/u, Work-3.5,drop,2.5,drop,1.5-drop-3.5
Triceps pressdown w/rope handle-2.5,drop,3,drop,1.5,drop,3.5. Long count on last .5 rep.
D'bell skullcrushers( like in the video above)-3,drop,3.5,drop,3.
Close grip Smythe press-1 w/u, Work-6-3-2. May bump.this weight next time.

I planned to get in a nice set of kickbacks, but ran out of time.

47 minutes not including the leg/back stretching. Arms are still burning a tad and it's been 4 hours, so I'm happy.

[marcus300]

Felt good to hit it again today...just fitting in a session whenever I can. 15 min. of stretching hips, lower back, and upper legs prior to lifting.

Biceps stretch off a high bar in Smythe machine
Seated d'bell curls-2 w/u, Work-2,drop,2.5,drop,2,drop,3-2
Incline d'bell curl-1 w/u, Work-3,drop,2.5,drop,1.5-3.5. Long 5 count on the last .5 rep. Warmup/feeler set was very painful. Got a tremendous burn @ work set.
Bent over cable concentration curl- Work-7.5-5 with left arm. Got a couple of reps less with right arm, so after 1 min. I grabbed another work set with that arm. Failed @ 4 and then 1 cheat rep. I like these. Still tinkering w/ the foot position of the support leg so it doesn't get burned by cable. These are going to stay in the schedule for a.while.
Seated hammer curl-1 w/u, Work-3.5,drop,2.5,drop,1.5-drop-3.5
Triceps pressdown w/rope handle-2.5,drop,3,drop,1.5,drop,3.5. Long count on last .5 rep.
D'bell skullcrushers( like in the video above)-3,drop,3.5,drop,3.
Close grip Smythe press-1 w/u, Work-6-3-2. May bump.this weight next time.

I planned to get in a nice set of kickbacks, but ran out of time.

47 minutes not including the leg/back stretching. Arms are still burning a tad and it's been 4 hours, so I'm happy.

That sounds like a great workout keep it up almost and keep pushing the boundaries of pain.

[almostgone]

That sounds like a great workout keep it up almost and keep pushing the boundaries of pain.

Thanks, Marcus!! I definitely will......and I thank you and everyone in this thread. Best motivation/inspiration I've ever had!