**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[kronik420]

just had best leg workout ever

triple drop set squats are a killer, failed my last rep, sat the bar down on the safety bars, then collapsed lol..

gonna be sore tomorrow

[DCI]

Good work kronik

[marcus300]

Does deca really help joints that much? Haven't tried deca yet. I have some but its for my next cycle although I've got enough to use it for joint therapy. Is the effect also present in tren? Only making the query based on both being nor19 derivatives. I didn't notice any effect on joints from tren on my last cycle, or so I thought... Now that I think about it I didn't have shoulder pain until I started pct. Still with me whenever I go heavy with any upper body movements.

Deca helps to alleviate joint pain ive used it many times over the years at a low dose to help when I am under stress and my joints are suffering. There were some studies done what showed deca improving collagen synthesis and also increased bone density in woman who had osteoporosis. It is also stated that it holds water which does have some anti inflammatory properties to ease issues with joint tenderness. There is no doubt it alleviates joint pain by retaining water in connective tissue because so many bodybuilders report this side effect. At the dose I will be using it at it wont be promoting any kind of muscle building effects but it has been shown to stop muscle wastages in HIV patients at 100mgs per week so that cant be a bad thing.

[marcus300]

just had best leg workout ever

triple drop set squats are a killer, failed my last rep, sat the bar down on the safety bars, then collapsed lol..

gonna be sore tomorrow

Sounds like a killer leg workout, dropsets on the squats isn't for the faint hearted, well done

[kelkel]

Good call. I've been on a 100 but thinking of raising it to 150.

Easy does it.....

[clarky.]

It's here mate http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...py-nebido.html

thank you

[MajorPectorial]

After some time conversing with the youth of today at work I think I can decipher what he's saying:
In a nutshell he's not going to eat lots of small meals at intervals but bigger meals with larger time span between them?

You never know he may advocate 1 meal a day lol

Yeh. Basically. Going from 6-7 to 4-5 meals. And if I can get an extra one in. I will. But 5 as a basic rule.

Nice to be called youth at 32. Cheers!

[DCI]

Back tonight going to be fun

[marcus300]

Considering doing this cycle very soon, will depend on my work schedule if I start it now or later on.

Test E/CYP 1500mgs per week
Deca 200mgs per week - already started
Var 100mgs per day


Still eating everything is sight, not weighed myself but getting bigger by the day and my appetite is in full force so I am enjoying the ride

[kelkel]

Marcus I'm curious how you landed at 1500mgs?

[Back In Black]

Var is per day not weeks, yes?

[marcus300]

Marcus I'm curious how you landed at 1500mgs?

Its a nice dose for me to bounce off my TRT, anything over 1000mgs I see gains anything under its kind of maintenance/conditioning for me at my size. It will be roughly 1500mgs give or take but to be precise I would be taking 400mgs EOD.

[marcus300]

Var is per day not weeks, yes?

of course, just corrected it thanks

[kelkel]

Its a nice dose for me to bounce off my TRT, anything over 1000mgs I see gains anything under its kind of maintenance/conditioning for me at my size. It will be roughly 1500mgs give or take but to be precise I would be taking 400mgs EOD.

Understood. And what will your AI protocol look like for this?

[Back In Black]

Any specific goals?

[marcus300]

Understood. And what will your AI protocol look like for this?

I have arimidex to hand so will be using that at around .25/.50 ED, will start off at .25 and see how I react if I need more then I will up my dose but looking at past cycles I wont need anymore than .50 but who knows my body changes so quickly as I get older.

[marcus300]

Any specific goals?

I will be looking to lean bulk and then the back end cut some bf, hopefully but anything can happen once I start getting stronger lol

[kronik420]

Its a nice dose for me to bounce off my TRT, anything over 1000mgs I see gains anything under its kind of maintenance/conditioning for me at my size. It will be roughly 1500mgs give or take but to be precise I would be taking 400mgs EOD.

works out to 1400mg/week of test

[DCI]

Love the line getting stronger man your beast its like giving a veyron an extra 500bhp you are still strong in standard form never mind adding more steength

[kelkel]

I have arimidex to hand so will be using that at around .25/.50 ED, will start off at .25 and see how I react if I need more then I will up my dose but looking at past cycles I wont need anymore than .50 but who knows my body changes so quickly as I get older.

It's amazing isn't it! It's not all for the worse though!

[marcus300]

It's amazing isn't it! It's not all for the worse though!

I have the devil and angel on each delt, the devil keeps telling to go bigger, use heavy burst cycles, lets get some serious size on that frame, lets do it........and the angel tells me to take it easy, maintain, build a couple of lbs and drop some bf, stay healthy. Its a battle what goes on inside my head all the time

[kelkel]

I have the devil and angel on each delt, the devil keeps telling to go bigger, use heavy burst cycles, lets get some serious size on that frame, lets do it........and the angel tells me to take it easy, maintain, build a couple of lbs and drop some bf, stay healthy. Its a battle what goes on inside my head all the time

Oh I totally understand that. How much do we continue to push as we age? Yes, continuing to "push ourselves" has maintained muscle mass far better than many our age but at what point do you draw the line and think long-term health. I struggle with it as well which is probably why I rarely cycle anymore. Quite honestly if I never cycled again and just rode TRT till the end I'd be just fine! My work ethic / lifestyle would not change one bit. I do get angry as I can't run GH like so many of my friends can do though. I'd just love to see what impact it could have on me. I also still have a young son (11) and that always weighs on my mind as well.

Decisions, decisions.....

Edit: Added a pic from leg day described above and one from the day before sitting in the doc's office with my son for his appt. Got bored waiting and thought this pic was kinda neat..........yes, that bored. Not the best quad shot (not flexed) as they look smaller than they are as my Bberry sucks ars.

[MajorPectorial]

When we gunna see some progress pics Marcus. Be good to see

[marcus300]

Oh I totally understand that. How much do we continue to push as we age? Yes, continuing to "push ourselves" has maintained muscle mass far better than many our age but at what point do you draw the line and think long-term health. I struggle with it as well which is probably why I rarely cycle anymore. Quite honestly if I never cycled again and just rode TRT till the end I'd be just fine! My work ethic / lifestyle would not change one bit. I do get angry as I can't run GH like so many of my friends can do though. I'd just love to see what impact it could have on me. I also still have a young son (11) and that always weighs on my mind as well.

Decisions, decisions.....

One thing doesn't change though - - the way we train

When we gunna see some progress pics Marcus. Be good to see

I haven't progressed, still the same. Its more or less all about maintenance these days and playing around with my bf so nothing new to post same old thing just another day

[MR-FQ320]

^^^^kelkel's training style is also HIT, forced, forced negs, rest/pause etc, as we have talked about?

[marcus300]

^^^^kelkel's training style is also HIT, forced, forced negs, rest/pause etc, as we have talked about?

Kel trains alone so he normally uses rest pause mainly from what I remember

[MR-FQ320]

Marcus, I'm quite surprised to see Anavar in a cycle of yours, with all that test and for all your experience a mere 100mg of var per day isn't going to do a thing is it ?

[marcus300]

Marcus, I'm quite surprised to see Anavar in a cycle of yours, with all that test and for all your experience a mere 100mg of var per day isn't going to do a thing is it ?

The test isn't a lot for me, infact its low.
100mgs of var works great on me no need for anymore,

I more or less only cycle to maintain if I was bulking seriously (which does cross my mind very often) the cycle would be completely different and look more like a short heavy burst cycle like I use to do.

[kelkel]

Kel trains alone so he normally uses rest pause mainly from what I remember

Yes. Rest pause and occasional drops. Drops though are tough as I have to change weight by myself so it's sort of a combo rest pause / drop combined to accomplish my goal of extending the set to total failure. Example, a little while ago today I did legs. One balls out heavy for 15 reps today followed by a RP set. Got done that and got out from under the bar and took a plate off each side, got back under and cranked out 10 more. Wasn't planning on the last set. Just a spur of the moment thing. Killed me though.

Followed that with one set maybe 5 reps of a warm up on vertical leg presses. Mainly just to make sure positioning for the day was correct, etc. Then one heavy set close to 20 reps followed by two RP sets. I just sit up in on the pad and breath. No need to get up. They are brutal if done right. Then one straight set of extensions then another with two drops. Hams were two sets of seated leg curls each with drop sets (I can reach over and just slide the weight off) to failure. Then two sets of vertical toe presses with RP on second set. Finished with two sets of seated raises. Love my new calf raise machine. Calves can never be too big!

[panntastic]

Sounds like a sweet cycle big man
Like the idea of cutting up a bit towards the end
Managed to get to gym yesterday and my back is in agony today
Went hard and heavy and feels sore but good.
Took a few photos and can see growth in lower traps and getting great thickness all over.
But you know my plight getting into the gym at moment so every second in the gym is cherished and used to full extent

[MR-FQ320]

Kelkel I too train alone, I push myself to failure but sometimes I feel I may could have pushed myself beyond failure if I had a spotter, or like you say when doing dropsets moving the plates yourself - I feel ready to go again, it's the continuation of reps with a lighter weight that busts it. Db's are easy enough to swap.

How do you get round these examples and train alone to beyond failure ?

[MR-FQ320]

Marcus, in your experience. Does ones sensitivity to exogenous test decrease with time or is it body weight related ? I'm relating to your 1500mg test. Or is it also related to your trt dosage ?

[DCI]

Serious shoulders and cardio tonight. I started with shoulder hammer press. Heaviest weight for 3 sets, of hit that marcus posted before. 6-8 reps, 4 reps, failure and two dropsets to total failure then negs. Shoulders bursting, then arnie presses same as above, 20kg plate shrugs for high rep failure, then flies, and front raises with db shrugs to finish and then 15 mins cardio

[kelkel]

Kelkel I too train alone, I push myself to failure but sometimes I feel I may could have pushed myself beyond failure if I had a spotter, or like you say when doing dropsets moving the plates yourself - I feel ready to go again, it's the continuation of reps with a lighter weight that busts it. Db's are easy enough to swap.

How do you get round these examples and train alone to beyond failure ?

Oh I understand that feeling. It would be great to have a spotter to occasionally do some forced reps, quick drops, challenge me, etc. But it's just not in the cards for me so I have to work with what I've got. RP can be really effective if you're honest with it. Then it just takes time to train your mind to push to failure and beyond.

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I know I'm the only one there and no one is going to help me so I just put all the pressure on myself to make it happen. You just have to find ways to improvise and adapt to your surroundings and make it work for you. Just "want" it.

[marcus300]

Yes. Rest pause and occasional drops. Drops though are tough as I have to change weight by myself so it's sort of a combo rest pause / drop combined to accomplish my goal of extending the set to total failure. Example, a little while ago today I did legs. One balls out heavy for 15 reps today followed by a RP set. Got done that and got out from under the bar and took a plate off each side, got back under and cranked out 10 more. Wasn't planning on the last set. Just a spur of the moment thing. Killed me though.

Followed that with one set maybe 5 reps of a warm up on vertical leg presses. Mainly just to make sure positioning for the day was correct, etc. Then one heavy set close to 20 reps followed by two RP sets. I just sit up in on the pad and breath. No need to get up. They are brutal if done right. Then one straight set of extensions then another with two drops. Hams were two sets of seated leg curls each with drop sets (I can reach over and just slide the weight off) to failure. Then two sets of vertical toe presses with RP on second set. Finished with two sets of seated raises. Love my new calf raise machine. Calves can never be too big!

Sounds like a great session Kel, learning how to take your body to true failure is a huge mental fight but once you accomplish this your on the way to some serious huge gains. Well done my friend

[marcus300]

Sounds like a sweet cycle big man
Like the idea of cutting up a bit towards the end
Managed to get to gym yesterday and my back is in agony today
Went hard and heavy and feels sore but good.
Took a few photos and can see growth in lower traps and getting great thickness all over.
But you know my plight getting into the gym at moment so every second in the gym is cherished and used to full extent

Nothing is set in stone but it was a cycle I was thinking of doing if things go to plan, just a little burst to maintain and hopefully adjust a few things while I am at it

[marcus300]

Marcus, in your experience. Does ones sensitivity to exogenous test decrease with time or is it body weight related ? I'm relating to your 1500mg test. Or is it also related to your trt dosage ?

testosterone is dose dependant without doubt, 400 mgs will gain more than 200mgs and 750mgs will result in more gains than 400mgs etc but there is a limit were sides outweigh gains/results but this doesn't mean you should jump right into 1500mgs if your only use to 500mgs, you need to grow into your dose and not just use high amounts what your not use to. I do have a study somewhere what shows the results of different test dose regarding gains and strength which I will post when I get on my computer, makes interesting reading.

You use the right amount whats needed to get results, no more or less. That's why you need to keep a diary of your cycle history so you can see what dose and compounds work for you then you can design the right cycle suited to you, in time you will see what amount is needed to keep on gaining and what amount is needed to maintain. The bigger you get its so fuking hard to carry on building, your body adapts to everything in time so training needs to increase, you need to change your diet around and also design the right cycle for YOU.

[human project]

The test isn't a lot for me, infact its low.
100mgs of var works great on me no need for anymore,

I more or less only cycle to maintain if I was bulking seriously (which does cross my mind very often) the cycle would be completely different and look more like a short heavy burst cycle like I use to do.

What does one of your old mass cycles look like? ??

[MR-FQ320]

What does one of your old mass cycles look like? ??

I'd like to know this too, like back in the day when your health wasn't a primary concern and only building muscle was. Not that I'm gonna jump on a massive AAS cycle lol.

[marcus300]

What does one of your old mass cycles look like? ??

I'd like to know this too, like back in the day when your health wasn't a primary concern and only building muscle was. Not that I'm gonna jump on a massive AAS cycle lol.

I've experimented a lot with different cycles, compounds and dosages and like many know I'm a big believer in short burst cycles and in my younger days when I was bulking I would use some large dosages. The most I've used was around 5g per wk of AAS plus 15 ius of Hgh. Around 6 years ago I took my foot of the gas with regards to cycling and I stopped. I went around 4 yrs steroid free (except HRT) and now I just do one to two cycles per year to maintain. I will confess I did use to use a lot of AAS and my health does concern me as I grow older and that’s why I took my foot off the gas. It’s amazing how much tissue you can maintain by intense training and diet alone.

The amount what would be the sweet spot for me was 3g per week which would be a mixture of compounds, this would give me great size with minimal side anything over 3g created side effects what I would say outweighed the gains, even though ive used 5g many times in my experimental stages 3g was a far better dose for me in my short heavy burst cycles.