Ugly truth? Not IMO

[>Good Luck<]

I decided to write this thread because after an uncomfortable conversation, I've been wanting to get some opinions of others- like minded or not...

So here's the deal; I've cycled a couple times, and very much enjoy the new healthier lifestyle. I've always been skinny and Finally decided to learn how to eat, train and grow. It's a slow race IMO and takes a lot of dedication and desire. I guess people around me noticed that I wasn't growing and then started to grow and have said some pretty nasty things. They basically said "if I'm using steroids, I'm no better than a junkie on the street. "

^^^ seriously man! Cmon that's harsh. I guess the relation of needles and illegal drugs equals junkie to the simple minded general public (sorry, just my nicest choice of words at thus point) but why don't they understand that steroids force you into a healthier life and are generally taken with the intention of increasing quality of life, athletic ability, health etc. I dunno, am I naive or are these people out to lunch. Are us steroid users on the same plane as the ones bangin IV drugs?? Is our commitment to health and fitness not viewed as a positive lifestyle? Is it not easy to see that we are eating foods most everyone else would never dream of eating & in amounts in excess of what some entire families eat in a day... Never the less, I played it off because it was really awkward. I pretended to be all happy that they thought that I was on steroids because it must mean I was growing and I've been working really hard and dieting etc.... But really, i was angry that the view on steroids was so harshly depicted. I wish I had the balls to go off on the stup......... .... Irritating individual. Good thing I wasn't running gear at the time, may have gotten a little more of a reaction if I was.


Let me know what you guys think and if
You've experienced anything similar and how you handle it


End rant...

Thx

[kronik420]

i don't care what other people think.... so they can say what ever they want and ill just keep on doing my own thing..

you should have gone all roid rage on their asses lol ..

remember these are the same drugs that help save 1000's of lives ED... in NO way, shape or form is AAS in the same category as rec drugs...

[wh1spa]

You raise a good point,

I feel that there is just ALOT of stigma to the word "Steroid" due mainly towards the lack of education that the general public has and the negativity in the media, but it seems that unless someone is really into the fitness or medical industry, they take what the media say and show about steroids being bad, being illegal drugs, that shrink your cock.

Until i started lifting regularly, i guess i really had the same view on the subject as most of the general public, but i feel that unless the individual is open minded, and is willing to listen to something that atleast knows what they are talking about, or does research themselves, they are always just going to follow the herd.

My personal opinion.

[Lunk1]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

[wh1spa]

And most people dont understand how common steroid use is in medical use as well, for treating a wide range of diseases.

[kronik420]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

you could always live in Mexico

cheap and legal AAS and cheap coronas and tequila

[MuscleInk]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

You're bad news in general. AASs haven't changed that! Lol (just joking big guy).

But you're still a good friend.......I'll send pics from The Green Door.

[MuscleInk]

you could always live in Mexico

cheap and legal AAS and cheap coronas and tequila

That big ol gringo would scare the hell out of the señoritas!!!!!!

[Lunk1]

You're bad news in general. AASs haven't changed that! Lol (just joking big guy).

But you're still a good friend.......I'll send pics from The Green Door.

That would be funny cause momma doesnt remeber that night very well lol.

[krugerr]

The public are naive they view steroids as cheating, and they associate it with meathead thugs. My boss is one if them. He's proud that non of his door staff are like those other 'steroid monkeys' working for other companies. Little does he know, most of us are on gear or have been.

STEROIDS -- suddenly people see menacing intimidating hooligans. Whereas, the majority use these medical drugs just to improve our own bodies.
//rant//

[evander87]

I used to struggle with caring about how others view me. But as I get older I find I couldn't care less what someone else thinks of me and I'm much happier for it. Those that judge me don't matter, and those that matter don't judge me.

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[>Good Luck<]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

You see, I agree and disagree. Yes I am breaking the law in part, and yes I am taking an illegal substance for my own personal benefit but whens the last time u heard of someone blowing their dealer for a fix of gear? Does gear impair ability to function normally? Does it effect your motor skills? Does it make you chemically addicted like rec drugs?? I don't know maybe it's denial but I feel that steroids are on a level
Of their own. Like really, do people lose their houses to pay for gear?


Man I love how opinions can be so very different. I truly believe and support that my life has never been as enjoyable and positive as it is since started juicing. No negative effects what so ever IMO

[>Good Luck<]

I used to struggle with caring about how others view me. But as I get older I find I couldn't care less what someone else thinks of me and I'm much happier for it. Those that judge me don't matter, and those that matter don't judge me.

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Wise words and i appreciate the philosophy!

I've never really cared about peoples opinions but I've never been called out to that extent. Tbh, it's kinda sad that I feel it's more of a jealousy thing. I feel like people want to see the dame thing in them selves but lack commitment or motivation.

[cherrydrpepper]

I read one time the average male has sex with 0-3 women during his lifetime. If you were having sex with 0-3 women in your boring life, would you really be happy to see some dude with huge guns, pecs and a six pack slamming the hen and stuffing the donut with hotties on the regular?

You can go into these deep theories about misconceptions but really its as simple as jealousy.


jealousy 287 up, 87 down

1. n- the feeling of wanting something someone else has.
2. n- the feeling of being angry at someone because they are better off then you or they have what you want.
JEALOUSY-JEALOUS
synonyms: envy, covet
Many people are jealous of wealthy or famous people and pretend like they hate them.

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Coveting another person's life and/or material possessions.An extremely destructive emotion. It is not fuelled by love. It is fuelled by the fear of failure.
Jealousy destroys friendships and prevents people from experiencing real happiness.

[cherrydrpepper]

Tbh, it's kinda sad that I feel it's more of a jealousy thing. I feel like people want to see the dame thing in them selves but lack commitment or motivation.

You posted this while I was typing my response. Something to consider.

[gixxerboy1]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

i agree. You are injecting illegal drugs. Case closed.
I can make up reasons for about why any drug should be legal
Yes they are sometimes used in the medical field, typically not at the doses bb'ers use. And when is tren or eq or some of the other stuff we use ever used for humans.
Most dont use pharm grade stuff you are buying stuff online knowing made in some ugl
OP you talk about the excess amount of food we eat. You really think that is really healthy?
If we were worried about athletic ability or health you wouldnt be in BBing.
If you were truly in it for those 2 reasons you probably wouldnt juice.

[Lunk1]

You see, I agree and disagree. Yes I am breaking the law in part, and yes I am taking an illegal substance for my own personal benefit but whens the last time u heard of someone blowing their dealer for a fix of gear? Does gear impair ability to function normally? Does it effect your motor skills? Does it make you chemically addicted like rec drugs?? I don't know maybe it's denial but I feel that steroids are on a level
Of their own. Like really, do people lose their houses to pay for gear?


Man I love how opinions can be so very different. I truly believe and support that my life has never been as enjoyable and positive as it is since started juicing. No negative effects what so ever IMO

I wont mention them cause it's against the rules but there are tons of pill addicts and other rec drug users that claim pain management and other health benifits just the same as you are. I know tons of hardcore rec users that own homes, business and have families and still use. Not every rec user is a crack whore on the street blowing the glass dik lol.

Colorado recently legalized something that ppl will argue is nothing but good for you ALL day long. AAS comes with known health risks, both short term and long. Yet as I said...MANY will come on here and talk about how it isn't like the other bad things or that the ppl using them are not as bad as those using other things. You can justify homocide (in your mind) if you work hard enough at it!

[gixxerboy1]

I wont mention them cause it's against the rules but there are tons of pill addicts and other rec drug users that claim pain management and other health benifits just the same as you are. I know tons of hardcore rec users that own homes, business and have families and still use. Not every rec user is a crack whore on the street blowing the glass dik lol.

Colorado recently legalized something that ppl will argue is nothing but good for you ALL day long. AAS comes with known health risks, both short term and long. Yet as I said...MANY will come on here and talk about how it isn't like the other bad things or that the ppl using them are not as bad as those using other things. You can justify homocide (in your mind) if you work hard enough at it!

you should have seen our old shore house in the summers. Most of the people there made over 100k a year were business owners, lawyer, 1 pharm company higher up. We all had good jobs showed up at work on monday but if you saw us fri or sat night you would be like WTF. and most of the guys were juiceheads

[>Good Luck<]

i agree. You are injecting illegal drugs. Case closed.
I can make up reasons for about why any drug should be legal
Yes they are sometimes used in the medical field, typically not at the doses bb'ers use. And when is tren or eq or some of the other stuff we use ever used for humans.
Most dont use pharm grade stuff you are buying stuff online knowing made in some ugl
OP you talk about the excess amount of food we eat. You really think that is really healthy?
If we were worried about athletic ability or health you wouldnt be in BBing.
If you were truly in it for those 2 reasons you probably wouldnt juice.

Again, well said. I guess it's a decision we make knowing well the circumstances that are matter of fact. I don't think I was thinking logically, but more emotionally. Having said all this, I still dot give a fuch, and I'm gonna keep cycling safely as possible. Whoever doesn't like it can suck my kiss(red hot chili peppers song)


And I think next time I'm faced with this stigma, I'll just lash out a little and then smirk and say "oops, raging again" ... They won't say anything. I'm sure of it. LoL

[>Good Luck<]

I wont mention them cause it's against the rules but there are tons of pill addicts and other rec drug users that claim pain management and other health benifits just the same as you are. I know tons of hardcore rec users that own homes, business and have families and still use. Not every rec user is a crack whore on the street blowing the glass dik lol.

Colorado recently legalized something that ppl will argue is nothing but good for you ALL day long. AAS comes with known health risks, both short term and long. Yet as I said...MANY will come on here and talk about how it isn't like the other bad things or that the ppl using them are not as bad as those using other things. You can justify homocide (in your mind) if you work hard enough at it!

Fair enough. And I dont say all rec drug users are POS. But we are all aware of what a junkie is and the difference between a recreational drug user and an addict. The term junkie is very derogatory and has an obvious negative conception.

So would you say we are closer to junkies or Rec drug users like your wealthy intelligent friends? I'm siding with the latter of the two simply because I find my life to be completely manageable and do not feel a dependence on steroids- yet lol I'm still a noob IMO

[wh1spa]

Again, well said. I guess it's a decision we make knowing well the circumstances that are matter of fact. I don't think I was thinking logically, but more emotionally. Having said all this, I still dot give a fuch, and I'm gonna keep cycling safely as possible. Whoever doesn't like it can suck my kiss(red hot chili peppers song)


And I think next time I'm faced with this stigma, I'll just lash out a little and then smirk and say "oops, raging again" ... They won't say anything. I'm sure of it. LoL

Whats your stats now?

[kronik420]

you can buy these t-shirts from ebay for about 15$ each

[>Good Luck<]

Whats your stats now?

Lol are you sizing me up ? Lol because I said I'd
Lash out a little? Even when I was smaller than I am now, when I get that crazy eye, MOST EVERYONE backs off.

5'7" - 168lbs - 12% by guess. I have a long way to go, and I know I'm still a little guy

[>Good Luck<]

you can buy these t-shirts from ebay for about 15$ each

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Lol I always wanted to make a shirt that said "got juice?"

[kronik420]

Lol are you sizing me up ? Lol because I said I'd
Lash out a little? Even when I was smaller than I am now, when I get that crazy eye, MOST EVERYONE backs off.

5'7" - 168lbs - 12% by guess. I have a long way to go, and I know I'm still a little guy

good luck with that.

[>Good Luck<]

good luck with that.

Not sure I follow... Was my humor not appreciated?

[Lunk1]

Fair enough. And I dont say all rec drug users are POS. But we are all aware of what a junkie is and the difference between a recreational drug user and an addict. The term junkie is very derogatory and has an obvious negative conception.

So would you say we are closer to junkies or Rec drug users like your wealthy intelligent friends? I'm siding with the latter of the two simply because I find my life to be completely manageable and do not feel a dependence on steroids- yet lol I'm still a noob IMO

I think this is a fine line that anybody using illegal drugs walks...I honestly would have to admitt that I abuse steroids if I were being completely honest with myself. Like Gixx said earlier. We are using huge doses compared to medical use as well as compouns that have no benifit in the medical field, all while knowing the negetive risks to our health...sounds like a good definition of abuse to me.

[wh1spa]

Not sure I follow... Was my humor not appreciated?

Whats your ideal stats?

[>Good Luck<]

Whats your ideal stats?

195 @ 9%

But I understand that when I reach it- it probably won't be enough. Realistically, it's my next major milestone

[wh1spa]

195 @ 9%

But I understand that when I reach it- it probably won't be enough. Realistically, it's my next major milestone

Huge

Im presently about 188-192 @ 12% and leaning out, @5"9

id like to stay this weight at 9% i think.

[>Good Luck<]

Had to come back to this thread. Who else thinks we are just like any other drug user....

[DSM4Life]

Yes! In reality I am no better than a general rec drug user. Lots will argue and justify use by saying it to better their health and appearance but every drug user I have ever talked to has an argument as to why their drug of choice should be legalized.

Bottom line is that, in the U.S. anyhow, it's illegal and therfore I am no better than any other drug user IMO!

I agree 100%. And also remember steroids haven't been medically tested by science to see what ill effects it has on the body internally. We say it doesn't because we look great on the outside but what it does on the inside we are still unaware of. I am not saying they are or aren't harmful but I am saying there isn't any CREDITABLE facts either way.

[warmouth]

I just read the article Good Luck. I like it. I will have to say that as AAS users, we have to abuse the drug in order to satisfy our goal. And the truth is, we never are satisfied at the end, hence the reason we run another cycle. I do believe we live healthier than say, a crack head, but still abuse drugs. I am happier on them, but I am seeing effects on my cardiovascular system from only a years worth of use. I am on TRT. I am sure that the correct use of an AI would help, but then again, that is another drug. I am up inthe air here. I dont label myself a junkie because of them, but no better by any means. You get what I am saying? I am not going to give a BJ for a blast of test. I just know for me, I feel much better while on than off.

[< <Samson> >]

Who are you to judge me for what I do to my body?

That's the way I look at it.

The fact that separates "us" from a junkie is the rest of our lives.

We do way more than just juice, we still have fully functioning lives. As do some other type of drug addicts.

I don't judge if you still function well and don't let it come in contact with the rest of your life. Our sanity is all up to us. . . . . .


Oh wait, we are all going to hell since we get juiced. . . . < LMAO

[>Good Luck<]

I just read the article Good Luck. I like it. I will have to say that as AAS users, we have to abuse the drug in order to satisfy our goal. And the truth is, we never are satisfied at the end, hence the reason we run another cycle. I do believe we live healthier than say, a crack head, but still abuse drugs. I am happier on them, but I am seeing effects on my cardiovascular system from only a years worth of use. I am on TRT. I am sure that the correct use of an AI would help, but then again, that is another drug. I am up inthe air here. I dont label myself a junkie because of them, but no better by any means. You get what I am saying? I am not going to give a BJ for a blast of test. I just know for me, I feel much better while on than off.

I understand your view and totally respect your analogy. Would you agree though, that their is a difference between using drugs and abusing drugs? For example if I cycle 2-3 times per year I would consider my self a user. If I am pinning whatever I can get my hands on and constantly changing doses and switching chemicals like underwear, that might constitute the word abuse.

Now I don't want people to think I'm trying to justify my choices. I'm actually very proud of my life and accomplishments, and wouldnt change anything given the chance. (except more LBM) I dont care what others think or say because I am awesome and thus just the way it is (lol just kidding) What I'm trying to identify is if there is common feeling about the topic. Abuse vs use! I say if your life is manageable and your quality of life is good, if you are a contributing member of society- you're not an addict and there definitely is a difference between you and an addict.

[>Good Luck<]

Who are you to judge me for what I do to my body?

That's the way I look at it.

The fact that separates "us" from a junkie is the rest of our lives.

We do way more than just juice, we still have fully functioning lives. As do some other type of drug addicts.

I don't judge if you still function well and don't let it come in contact with the rest of your life. Our sanity is all up to us. . . . . .

Oh wait, we are all going to hell since we get juiced. . . . < LMAO

He who has not yet sinned cast the first stone! LoL

Samson, tell me this... Was there ever a time you were about to pin and stopped for that brief second and said "wow... I'm actually injecting drugs"

Forgetting about others for a second and only consider your own self. Have you experienced any remorse or personal disgust. I think it's a normal thought process to do so, but some have the ability or mindset to overcome the stigma and enjoy/embrace their choices

[Lunk1]

I understand your view and totally respect your analogy. Would you agree though, that their is a difference between using drugs and abusing drugs? For example if I cycle 2-3 times per year I would consider my self a user. If I am pinning whatever I can get my hands on and constantly changing doses and switching chemicals like underwear, that might constitute the word abuse.

Now I don't want people to think I'm trying to justify my choices. I'm actually very proud of my life and accomplishments, and wouldnt change anything given the chance. (except more LBM) I dont care what others think or say because I am awesome and thus just the way it is (lol just kidding) What I'm trying to identify is if there is common feeling about the topic. Abuse vs use! I say if your life is manageable and your quality of life is good, if you are a contributing member of society- you're not an addict and there definitely is a difference between you and an addict.

If you have a prescription for 100mg EW of test your using if you bump that up or take anything not prescribed (that's abuse).

He who has not yet sinned cast the first stone! LoL

Samson, tell me this... Was there ever a time you were about to pin and stopped for that brief second and said "wow... I'm actually injecting drugs"

Forgetting about others for a second and only consider your own self. Have you experienced any remorse or personal disgust. I think it's a normal thought process to do so, but some have the ability or mindset to overcome the stigma and enjoy/embrace their choices

I actually feel bad about it frequently. Constant struggle with the devil and angel on each shoulder!

[>Good Luck<]

If you have a prescription for 100mg EW of test your using if you bump that up or take anything not prescribed (that's abuse).

I actually feel bad about it frequently. Constant struggle with the devil and angel on each shoulder!

I partially agree with what you said about the abuse. I have a pretty thorough understanding of addiction and consequences of such- which makes me believe abuse is a term loosely used. Someone very close to me who has the necessary credentials and life experience to make such a statement said to me that there are many fortunate people who are privileged enough to enjoy drugs and never really abuse them and become addicts. Addiction is a disease and the characteristics of an addict include substance abuse. The person who told me this suffers addiction and has been clean for many many years. That person has to constantly maintain the relationship of fellow addicts as a form of support, because without that, life is unmanageable. Even after use of drugs have stopped, an addict is still an addict - therefore making them different from me IMO

On my shoulder, I have the angel and devil. They often have intelligent conversations about choices I am about to make. When they are done talking, I make and educated decision. Get juiced

[< <Samson> >]

Samson, tell me this... Was there ever a time you were about to pin and stopped for that brief second and said "wow... I'm actually injecting drugs"

NO, I think of this as self medication. I have done some horrid shit and this is not the worst. This is a part of my mental self sanity program now. For some reason I feel way better being bigger. Straight, up I think of someone shredded or swoled up as a role model. Always have when I was kid too. I never knew what made the Stallones in the world. He's just one of the many. Then I sunk in the thought behind bigger, stronger faster. It was like a BS behind the scenes of pumping iron.


I quit smoking, cut my drinking by 90% stopped doing the "other substances" I have been(there was a solid handful).

So what is worse? Also, I did function on everything. I never bottomed out, on any of the shit I have done.

[>Good Luck<]

NO, I think of this as self medication. I have done some horrid shit and this is not the worst. This is a part of my mental self sanity program now. For some reason I feel way better being bigger. Straight, up I think of someone shredded or swoled up as a role model. Always have when I was kid too. I never knew what made the Stallones in the world. He's just one of the many. Then I sunk in the thought behind bigger, stronger faster. It was like a BS behind the scenes of pumping iron.

I quit smoking, cut my drinking by 90% stopped doing the "other substances" I have been(there was a solid handful).

So what is worse? Also, I did function on everything. I never bottomed out, on any of the shit I have done.

That's good man I like your positive outlook! Also, kudos for giving up the party toys. I think many of us have similar skeletons in our closet, and maybe that is what shifts us to something we feel is more acceptable or has a greater positive feel to it. But never the less- the words you chose were "so what is worse" meaning u understand what you're doing is illegal and wrong to some degree, but for us like minded individuals- it is an acceptable choice.



I have to say I'm completely beside my self with some of these responses. Also, I'm very grateful for this community that allows us to sort out any thoughts, feeling or questions we may have.


THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE, especially the ones who make it all possible.