Highly doubtful ed, if your gear is quality you will feel the effects without a doubt, unless your mutant ha.Originally Posted by Edwin23q
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Highly doubtful ed, if your gear is quality you will feel the effects without a doubt, unless your mutant ha.
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Fvck im sorry you got burned but thanks for posting i was just checking out that site.
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Like seriously why would they do that, something that's cheap and legal. All they have to do is sell the damn product and they'll get more customers hence make more money.
I just don't get it.
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Coming back to your write up on ADD, i suffered immensely also through primary school and high school academically. Primary i was a sports star all i wanted to do was compete, cause anything i put my mind to i was good at, i was just an all round athlete. BB has been one of the toughest sports i have done, between the dieting and the training and the sacrifices you have to put in, it truly is much deserving, thats why i believed with my sporting abilities i knew i had the body and to have a very aesthetic looking body, always when i was very young i had the abs, i was an ectomorph but i was certainly gifted physically.
Anyway coming back to the ADD i was diagnosed with it by a psychiatrist, and obviously he had asked me if i heard of psycho stimulants, i responded with no. Little did he know my intentions and my research on the internet with these stimulant was my whole reason i was there to get them prescribed i gave him the works, with all the symptoms i was suffering from and even ones i was not just to be sure i would get the script. After my addiction to recrational drugs, i had alot of time on my hands and looked for alternatives, but little did i know as i read and researched i was not really aware of ADD and i said to myself could it be possible that all these years i had it? I confronted my parents about it, and they actually told me at a young age many of the teachers would report to them saying that its possible i have it, obviously every parent is going to be in denial becaues there child is perfect and there is clearly nothing wrong with them.
I was successful of getting my script of ritalin and that year i started a course networking and telecommunications, once i started taking them i couldnt believe for the first time i was actually listening and taking everything in what the teacher had to say, i was not the teachers pet nothing like that. I had finally knew what i was to be a student, and wanting to learn. I was focused my dosages were 10mg x 3 daily, obviously more into the year of the course i upped the dosage for tolerance reasons. Here attached is my results from that year, now if i didnt have the Ritalin assistance i would got elementary results, and even fails i believe i would of not applied myself as much as i did, there were times that year it go that difficult but the stimulants kept me going always thinking positive and knowing i had this course in the bag.
As you can see there were distinctions (for me and my history academically these results were amazing) phew credits and competent NOT one fail.
Ill wrap it up, at the end of the day i believe there are certain enhancements for everyone out there, but ONLY if they need to improve there lifestyle, social skills, career what ever it may be as long as your outlook on life is alot more in a positive manner than how you did prior to any drug taking. In alot of cases just because it has worked for tom, dick and harry does not mean john is going to feel the same effects and it could actually be the complete opposite. As far as noopept is concerned i cant seem to find any bad stories as of yet, but atomini you would like to help people's lives better through human performance enhancement of ALL aspects.
Thats a great nature you have, i would just be more concerned if i did advise someone, and they went the complete opposite direction to what ever drug they were taken i think obviously u would be recommending drugs that you think are harmful and you personally have never had a bad experience. I just think my IF a bad occurrence happened my conscious would be full of guilt, not a pleasant feeling. Anyway my ritalin no longer agrees with me anymore its completely useless to me i grew out of it i believe, hence why im taking a shine to all these new aged drugs and peptides. I wish i could get my hands on adderall here in australia but as far as im aware its only prescribed overseas, and since its prob at the least 5 x stronger than ritalin, it does make me wonder what i could truly be capable of doing with my life if i had the chance to unlock my full capabilities mentally, if i had this drug at disposal for me i would like to put it to the test.
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Excellent story, boz!
You may be very surprised in regards to your Ritalin issue. If you've been off of it long enough, whatever tolerance you originally developed to its effects may possibly be gone and it will work just as effectively as the very first time. In fact, the use of MAOI inhibitors prevent the nervous system from growing a tolerance to psychostimulants such as amphetamines (Adderall), methylphenidate (Ritalin), cocaine, etc. Did you know that Magnesium is a MAOI inhibitor? So is Dextromethorphan (DXM), the active ingredient in Robitussin cought syrup (which you can get a ketamine and PCP-like high from if you take enough of it, I don't ever reccomend this though). MAOI inhibitors actually increase your sensitivity to psychostimulants, and this is one of the reasons why I use 1 - 2g of Magnesium Citrate per day. I reccomend you should too if you use Ritalin. It has prevent any possible tolerance buildup to Adderall for me, and my Adderall is just as effective today as the day I started them at the same dose. I'll even take extra Magnesium on the days when I use Adderall and I really do feel its Adderall-potentiating effects!
In regards to your comment about my want to help people through ergogenics of all types, lol you make it sound like I want to force people to take them. No, it's a conscious decision that must be made by the individual (and perhaps their doctor as well) as to whether or not they really feel they need it, and it is their perogative as to whether or not they feel it is safe enough. If I were to hypothetically invent some compound that helps people in whatever area (depression, energy, or even physical performance enhancements), i'm not responsible for people's stupidity in regards to whether or not they use something they have no ide will affect any underlying medical indications. They should perform the adequate research and education in regards to better understanding and informing themselves. Dr. John Ziegler is responsible for the creation (for the most part) of the very first synthetic analogue of Testosterone: Dianabol. Depending on how you look at it, he is responsible for helping people in an incredible way (both athletes, recreational AAS users, as well as medical patients who have had their conditions vastly improved or cured because of Dianabol treatment), but he could also be considered responsible for the harm that people have brought upon themselves in using and abusing Dianabol. How do you think he feels? It's very obvious how he feels, as in his later years he grew disillusioned with everything he believed to have caused from his creation of Dianabol. And he even said himself, "I lost interest in fooling with IQ's of that caliber. Now it's about as widespread among these idiots as marijuana." and in later years Ziegler regretted introducing AAS to athletes. He recollected "but I wish to God now I’d never done it. I’d like to go back and take that whole chapter out of my life.".
But guess what? It depends on how you look at it. Context. You could say the same thing about the invention of cars - it has incredible benefits that has enhanced our performance in society in general, but it is also responsible for a whole lot of deaths and misfortunes. Does that mean the original inventors who are responsible for the invention of the automobile should hang themselves? Absolutely not. Dr. Ziegler's morals are his morals, not mine. Your morals are your morals and not mine. Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me? It is a very different case if I am doing something to intentionally harm or hurt people, but that's not the issue here. If I were to invent or discover something that provides benefits to the majority of people who use it but seems to cause detrimental problems in a small percentage of others who use it, I would not dig myself a pit of self shame and beat myself up over it. I didn't force the individual to take it, and all preliminary considerations should have been made aware of on their own accord. I want to become a doctor, and such a job involves advising people on things that might also potentially steer them into an unpredictably opposite direction than intended. It comes with the job, and these are the inherent risks and sacrifices that must be made in order to provide benefits to individuals and people as a whole.
Who designed the artificial aortic heart valve? An engineer did that.
And who designed the gas chambers at Auschwitz? An engineer did that too.
One man was responsible for helping save tens of thousands of lives, another man helped kill millions. Now, I don't know what any of you are gonna end up doing in your lives between now and many years from now, or what you may have done thus far, but I can guarantee you that there will come a day where everyone has a decision - perhaps more than just once in life - to make on a varying level (especially when it comes to fields of science and medicine), and it won't be as easy as deciding between a heart valve and a gas chamber. Everything every student of science does (who wishes to perhaps become an engineer, a scientist, a doctor, an inventor, etc.) ultimately comes back to that notion.
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Just arrived, and my god it tastes like shit. It's similar to Creatine (CEE)! It's foul! Sublingual? You're braver than I!
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Took first dose 2 hours ago.... Then I turned in to this.
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So what you're saying is my dong is gonna shrink to two feet long and turn blue?Took first dose 2 hours ago.... Then I turned in to this.
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Exactly
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Well then I see no downside!
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lol
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You may be very surprised in regards to your Ritalin issue. If you've been off of it long enough, whatever tolerance you originally developed to its effects may possibly be gone and it will work just as effectively as the very first time. In fact, the use of MAOI inhibitors prevent the nervous system from growing a tolerance to psychostimulants such as amphetamines (Adderall), methylphenidate (Ritalin), cocaine, etc. Did you know that Magnesium is a MAOI inhibitor? So is Dextromethorphan (DXM), the active ingredient in Robitussin cought syrup (which you can get a ketamine and PCP-like high from if you take enough of it, I don't ever reccomend this though). MAOI inhibitors actually increase your sensitivity to psychostimulants, and this is one of the reasons why I use 1 - 2g of Magnesium Citrate per day. I reccomend you should too if you use Ritalin. It has prevent any possible tolerance buildup to Adderall for me, and my Adderall is just as effective today as the day I started them at the same dose. I'll even take extra Magnesium on the days when I use Adderall and I really do feel its Adderall-potentiating effects!
To be honest with you, i have had extensive amounts of time off ritalin before and prior experience has show me that, the feeling i used to feel off ritalian has completely subsided im lucky to get a little kick of euphoria out of it for a short amount of time (an hour or 2) than a crash of just feeling lost, with a pinching headache it really is a god awful feeling, in the end i refused to take it, cause it was not agreeing with me anymore, and i dredd of feeling that comedown. In regards to the magnesium it is something to consider, and i will look more into it, thanks for the advice. IMO ritalin is the worst pyshcostimulant going around, i forgot to mention to i was also prescribed dexamphetamine, this was a much productive drug, i should not of changed back to ritalian (long story and do not wish to go into it) When i get the chance i am to schedule another appointment and get my script changed back to the dexys.
In regards to your comment about my want to help people through ergogenics of all types, lol you make it sound like I want to force people to take them. No, it's a conscious decision that must be made by the individual (and perhaps their doctor as well) as to whether or not they really feel they need it, and it is their perogative as to whether or not they feel it is safe enough. If I were to hypothetically invent some compound that helps people in whatever area (depression, energy, or even physical performance enhancements), i'm not responsible for people's stupidity in regards to whether or not they use something they have no ide will affect any underlying medical indications. They should perform the adequate research and education in regards to better understanding and informing themselves. Dr. John Ziegler is responsible for the creation (for the most part) of the very first synthetic analogue of Testosterone : Dianabol . Depending on how you look at it, he is responsible for helping people in an incredible way (both athletes, recreational AAS users, as well as medical patients who have had their conditions vastly improved or cured because of Dianabol treatment), but he could also be considered responsible for the harm that people have brought upon themselves in using and abusing Dianabol. How do you think he feels? It's very obvious how he feels, as in his later years he grew disillusioned with everything he believed to have caused from his creation of Dianabol. And he even said himself, "I lost interest in fooling with IQ's of that caliber. Now it's about as widespread among these idiots as marijuana." and in later years Ziegler regretted introducing AAS to athletes. He recollected "but I wish to God now I’d never done it. I’d like to go back and take that whole chapter out of my life.".
Not at all i was not trying to imply you were going to force ppl to take them. Im sorry if you thought that, maybe i should of worded myself more carefully. I was under the impression that because you were going to help from your experiences, that hey this person should to. Yes it is a conscious decision made by the individual, but when you advise or give first hand expereinces i think all self made decisions are thrown right at the door. They get this thought "that hey look at this guy experiences and his write up on this product, hey if it works for him, has to work for me" Alot of people are lazy and will not go out of there way to research and find the facts out for themselves and not to mention gullible they will believe anything they are told.
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So, interesting thought here. I've looked into it and everyone seems to say something along the lines of "not that I'm AWARE of" but that's not good enough for me. Lets say I was active duty in the US military right now. Are racetams legal? I don't see why not because its all legal. But the military outlawed things like K2 and spice much before it was everywhere else. I mean, AAS usage isn't exactly kosher either lol. But that's not something that shows in your standard piss test
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I know clen will but that's another story, and not something I would have to worry about. Especially with such a short half life
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Additionally, I see a lot about lucid dreaming while taking nootropics. Is this something you have seen Atomini?
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Better than nightmares lol
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lol
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All day today i have been studying up on nearly all nootropics made to man, and let me tell you its has been a very productive day, at the same time daunting. I needed it though, cause my knowledge on the substances were minimal to none.
Im just going to copy paste a post i read on a forum, in no way is this to say noopept will not work for you, or to say atomini is full of it, cause obviously his experiences is evidential in this log.
The member who typed this up CLAIMS to be very knowledgeable in this area since he is schooling in neuroscience.
I'll start with your question on Noopept: I myself have taken it and found that at low doses (10-20mg) it really doesn't affect my cognitive ability (either pos or neg). At higher doses (30-50mg per day) I found it to actually decrease my ability to work with and process information, mainly due to a decrease in working memory capacity. Its mechanism of action may speak to these results: It acts as an allosteric AMPA receptor agonist, but also acts to inhibit Ca2+ gated K+ channels as well as voltage gated Ca2+ and K+ channels. This means that Ca2+ that would enter through NMDA channels would potentially sit around longer, and act as a stronger intracellular signal. This may lead to Noopept having memory boosting properties. The problem is that K+ channel activation is needed to truncate the action potential duration down to a reasonable length of time such that signals can be repeated in quick succession and be processed as independent (I.e. If a pre-synaptic neuron activates the post-synaptic neuron, and the post-synaptic neuron then has an internal signal lasting for 100ms, then if the pre-synaptic neuron tries to send a second signal to the post-synaptic neuron within that time period the intracellular cascade within the post-synaptic neuron will be boosted, instead of just taken as a second signal). Within the nervous system there is a fine balance of the amount of neural activation that you want for each pre-synaptic signal and how long you want the post-synaptic signal to last. Modification of these properties with Noopept may lead to increased memory formation and potentially better sensory processing in those who have a particular brain physiology that it works well with (everybody has slight differences in the inner-workings of their brain), but for others it may have either no effect, or negative effects on their ability to process information in a well rounded way.
O, and that 1000X stronger bit is a load of crap. The two compounds have completely different modes of action, so they really can't be compared. It would be like comparing deprenyl to cocaine and saying that cocaine is X times stronger at boosting dopamine levels than deprenyl, when in reality those two compounds are worlds apart in how they exert their effects. Noopept is not even a racetam, as it does not contain the pyrrolidone ring structure characteristic of the racetams.
If you find a good supplier, I would say give it a try if you want, but don't go over 30-50mg per day, and don't expect a large change in cognitive ability.
Pyrinitol has been linked to liver cholestatic hepatitis and some other side effects such as allergic reactions and photosensitivity. It is essentially a molecule composed of vitamin B6 molecules, so I thought why bother. It may have some cognition boosting effects, but I don't think I'll risk it.
I haven't done enough research on sulbutiamine to speculate at this point. It is a thiamine (vit B1) derivative tho, so I am wondering how much of its effect is mediated via breakdown into thiamine...not sure.
In any case, I get more than enough vit B6 and B1 in my diet and with my multivitamins, so I'm not too pushed to purchase the above two.
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Anyone found a reliable source for the UK? It seems both mine are bunk
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Hey everyone, was away over this weekend and just got back to the forum now.
Boz, thanks for that post. Interesting stuff. Funny thing is, my buddy who IS a Neurology graduate has told me the same thing EXCEPT that he also told me some extra information that this particular fellow doesn't seem to know (or perhaps has not yet learned). I can't possibly repeat everything by friend has told me since his knowledge of neuroscience far exceeds mine (but its funny because he is as dumbfounded as me when he listens to me talk about the endocrine system, hormones, AAS, and exercise science - him and I truly have a solid exchange of knowledge). In any case, I can definitely say that may experience with Noopept thus far has actually increased my cognitive ability far beyond what this person who you've quoted has originally claimed.
I can't deny any of the science he has spoken about since I have not looked much further into these claims. But, I think that he is perhaps going too much 'by the book' here, and I can explain this much better if I were to compare it to AAS, and i'll use the issue of Trenbolone being a Progestin to illustrate a similar idea here.
Okay, Trenbolone and Nandrolone, as you may already know, has been implicated in increasing Prolactin levels in varying degrees of users. It is also a known fact that these two anabolic steroids are also Progestins. Prolactin levels above normal in men often results in side effects such as lactating nipples, erectile dysfunction, anorgasmia (inability to achieve orgasm) and endogenous Testosterone production suppression/shutdown. An interesting point to learn is the fact that Progesterone itself is known to inhibit Prolactin production, and that 19-nors such as Nandrolone and Trenbolone being classified as Progestins should serve to actually suppress Prolactin levels. The interesting thing is, that high Progestersone levels in theory and in vitro have been demonstrated to actually INHIBIT Prolactin production. With this being said, note once again that 19-nors such as Nandrolone and Trenbolone are classified as progestins. One would now think that Trenbolone should actually suppress Prolactin secretion, correct? It makes logical sense considering the evidence. However, this is not the case as evidenced by a lot of anecdotal evidence in users whereby 19-nors DO increase Prolactin secretion (also evidenced by bloodwork). The other VERY IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS: Nandrolone and Trenbolone are not Progesterone themselves – they are anabolic steroids that exhibit Progestogenic activity due to their chemical modifications and it is therefore very possible for these hormones to exhibit activity that is contrary to the activity of a similar hormone or parent hormone. It has been found that Nandrolone and Trenbolone can and do in fact increase Prolactin levels in the body.
Another example of such a case is Anadrol. Anadrol is a DHT-derivative, right? But does that make it DHT? NO. Its modifications make it a totally different hormone. Anadrol, Anavar, Winstrol, Masteron, and every single other DHT-derivative ARE NOT DIHYDROTESTOSTERONE. They may be derived from DHT, but they ARE NOT DHT - their chemical modifications totally change their classification. The fact is that because they are derivatives, they will commonly possess similar properties to their parent/progenitor hormone (in this case, DHT, and in Trenbolone's case, Progesterone/Nandrolone). The fact of the matter is that although Anadrol is a DHT derived anabolic steroid, it exhibits properties and effects that do not fall in line with the theoretical properties of Dihydrotestosterone: Anadrol exhibits extremely high Estrogenic activity in the body, and although it does not convert into Estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, it acts as an Estrogen itself! This is very different from the nature of DHT.
So, what I am saying here is this: while the theoretical knowledge of something may be sound, the reality is that they may not always affect people in such a way (especially when you now also include the issue of varying users individual responses).
My experience with Noopept has been very different from what this fellow you quoted described. Friends of mine who have tried it (my Marine buddy whom I mentioned that had depression, for example) have had incredibly profound experiences from Noopept. So while I am not disagreeing with the person you quoted, I am certainly going to outline the fact that he is perhaps afflicted with tunnel vision in this case here. Also remember that Noopept is a fairly new compound, and that holds a big factor in terms of its known effects and benefits (and how strong each may be).
I will decide to follow the clinical data associated with Noopept over the opinion of one individual who may or may not be a Neurology student. Once again, not saying he is wrong but there are far better sources from which to derive rational and logical information from than one person's forum post. It is interesting and valuable information nevertheless.
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Coming back to your write up on ADD, i suffered immensely also through primary school and high school academically. Primary i was a sports star all i wanted to do was compete, cause anything i put my mind to i was good at, i was just an all round athlete. BB has been one of the toughest sports i have done, between the dieting and the training and the sacrifices you have to put in, it truly is much deserving, thats why i believed with my sporting abilities i knew i had the body and to have a very aesthetic looking body, always when i was very young i had the abs, i was an ectomorph but i was certainly gifted physically.
Anyway coming back to the ADD i was diagnosed with it by a psychiatrist, and obviously he had asked me if i heard of psycho stimulants, i responded with no. Little did he know my intentions and my research on the internet with these stimulant was my whole reason i was there to get them prescribed i gave him the works, with all the symptoms i was suffering from and even ones i was not just to be sure i would get the script. After my addiction to recrational drugs, i had alot of time on my hands and looked for alternatives, but little did i know as i read and researched i was not really aware of ADD and i said to myself could it be possible that all these years i had it? I confronted my parents about it, and they actually told me at a young age many of the teachers would report to them saying that its possible i have it, obviously every parent is going to be in denial becaues there child is perfect and there is clearly nothing wrong with them.
I was successful of getting my script of ritalin and that year i started a course networking and telecommunications, once i started taking them i couldnt believe for the first time i was actually listening and taking everything in what the teacher had to say, i was not the teachers pet nothing like that. I had finally knew what i was to be a student, and wanting to learn. I was focused my dosages were 10mg x 3 daily, obviously more into the year of the course i upped the dosage for tolerance reasons. Here attached is my results from that year, now if i didnt have the Ritalin assistance i would got elementary results, and even fails i believe i would of not applied myself as much as i did, there were times that year it go that difficult but the stimulants kept me going always thinking positive and knowing i had this course in the bag.
As you can see there were distinctions (for me and my history academically these results were amazing) phew credits and competent NOT one fail.
Ill wrap it up, at the end of the day i believe there are certain enhancements for everyone out there, but ONLY if they need to improve there lifestyle, social skills, career what ever it may be as long as your outlook on life is alot more in a positive manner than how you did prior to any drug taking. In alot of cases just because it has worked for tom, dick and harry does not mean john is going to feel the same effects and it could actually be the complete opposite. As far as noopept is concerned i cant seem to find any bad stories as of yet, but atomini you would like to help people's lives better through human performance enhancement of ALL aspects.
Thats a great nature you have, i would just be more concerned if i did advise someone, and they went the complete opposite direction to what ever drug they were taken i think obviously u would be recommending drugs that you think are harmful and you personally have never had a bad experience. I just think my IF a bad occurrence happened my conscious would be full of guilt, not a pleasant feeling. Anyway my ritalin no longer agrees with me anymore its completely useless to me i grew out of it i believe, hence why im taking a shine to all these new aged drugs and peptides. I wish i could get my hands on adderall here in australia but as far as im aware its only prescribed overseas, and since its prob at the least 5 x stronger than ritalin, it does make me wonder what i could truly be capable of doing with my life if i had the chance to unlock my full capabilities mentally, if i had this drug at disposal for me i would like to put it to the test.
what exactly is the difference between xanax, ritalin and valium?
****in hard to get a script for those over here in aus i tell ya!
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Pretty easy to obtain if you know the right people. I use it as my pct after a wild Saturday night if you know what I mean, lol
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haha, well yeh i can obtain them but at 5x the price!
with a script there like 25 bucks
without its like 5x more lol
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i would try it! as i do suffer abit of anxiety aswell as ****in brainfog lol. but dont wanna become dependant on it and have to take it for the rest of my life!
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It is quite simple: Xanax (Alprazolam) and Valium (Diazepam) are completely different classes of drugs than Ritalin (Methylphenidate) and belong to a totally different class of drugs known as benzodiazepines. Benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax are depressants/tranquilizers that slow the body's nervous system down and put them to sleep (hence why they are prescribed primarily as sleep aids). They are also prescribed for a few other conditions but they are almost exclusively sleep aids. Ritalin is a stimulant, but it is not an amphetamine like Adderall is. Ritalin, however, does the same thing amphetamines do. Amphetamines, Methylphenidate (Ritalin) and Cocaine are all psychostimulants, and they all have the same effects on the brain and nervous system. HOWEVER, Ritalin is much less powerful than Adderall, and Cocaine does the same thing the former two do, but it has a much shorter half-life and it also increases a couple other neurotransmitters in the brain than they do as well.
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Once again interesting read, i know its not easy topic to explain, you did well though with trying to illustrate it, i picked up on most of it.
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got my noopept from a recommended site, also got my choline B, 1 hour ago i had 30mg of noopept and 10mg of choline, no amount of explanation could describe the taste to me as it was the most horrid thing I've ever tasted.
Not sure if I'm feeling anything as yet but I know this stuff is real.
Just also to let you know I'm extremely tired today, slept for 4 hours last night, worked for 16 which included 1.5 hours of heavy workout.
I'll report back tomorrow when I'm feeling half human, lol
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Try not to push it mate, always be sure to be monitoring yourself with sleep deprivation. You would be surprised how it can take its toll on the body and not to mention the mind.
I had 4 hours last night also, ironically, i only worked 8 hours though, nfi how you managed to do 16, thats some solid hours, and to top it off a 1.5 heavy workout. After work today i did my workout also, but when im fatigued i never try to do my normal workouts that leave me drenched in sweat, i just pace myself and listen to my body, and never try to over do it.
Anyway i guess if there is no complaints with injuries or falling asleep at the wheel lol, you seem to be coping.
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Thanks mate for the heads up. I'm off to sleep now, hope all goes well with this experiment.
Just had my deca and test shot and I Fuked it up and gave myself pip, that's gonna hurt tomorrow.
I'm almost out of HGH as well, time for another order from my supplier, lol
So many compounds inside me and I'm going for a blood test this Saturday to see how the hormones are doing.
Good luck champ and keep updating the log if you see any changes.
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Yeah I was trying to illustrate the difference between what we know different compounds are supposed to do in THEORY (and in vitro in a perfect enviroment in a lab in a petri dish), but that what many things do in theory become different once applied/administered to people. Dynamics change. Most of the time they don't change so much that the practical makes the theory 100% wrong, but there are always deviations. As long as you understood that point, you're good to go!
Also, guys, watch it with the sleep deprivation. This stuff will not cure any severe lack of sleep. Everyone should understand that a lack of rest and sleep is not good for you whether or not you are consuming something like Noopept. This weekend I was sleep deprived, I got maybe 8 hours of sleep total in a 48 hour period (all the while still dosing my Noopept) and the fatigue and effects of a lack of sleep still got the better of me.
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LOL, to me that would be considered good. Well actually it has been better the last few weeks, I'm probably getting 6+ a night. Still broken but not as bad has it has been the last 6 months or more.
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Took first dose on Friday, 20mg. I am taking 20mg 3x per day right now. I am extremely tired today, did not sleep but 2 hours over the weekend. Only got 3 hours sleep yesterday. My mind feels like jello this morning and I am still sore from Sundays workout. I hope to have some better experiences with noopept once I get a full nights sleep!
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Last night day(3) had a great sleep with vivid dreams. Due to apnea sleep was interrupted but went back with ease.
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Just received mine today! Ill report back after a few days. Certainly smells weird and tastes awful. Choline b smells worse but tastes surprisingly good. One dose of 30mg and I can say not a whole lot of a change but I also didn't sleep at all last night so it's hard to tell if its the Noopept or the 100mcg of clen making me feel alive lol. Certainly interested to see tomorrow after I get some much needed rest
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ALRIGHT, I REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR HERE:
Ever since my Noopept log and the other informational Noopept threads have been created, i've been receiving many PMs from all kinds of people, and I love it. I love the discussions and such, but there's something really bothering me:
There are a handful of individuals here that have been PMing me asking me if Noopept and a list of a bunch of other drugs, supplements, psychotropics, and nutrients are adequate for what looks like to me, major psychological and nervous system problems.
This is a message for everyone in general who may be experiencing long-term of the following: severe brain fog, severe depression, severe anxiety, severe psychological issues, and much more.
I am being constantly asked by a few members here whether or not this or that will help them and i'm also being asked to diagnose what is wrong with them or what may possibly be causing their brain fog and nervous system issues.
Listen, I can't tell you or any here what these could be at all without knowing what's going on through tests. You need to not only have bloodwork done, but it sounds like if you have severe nervous system and brain problems that are so bad that you're hunting around looking for giant lists of supplements, drugs, and psychotropics: you also need an MRI and brain scan (which is probably more important than bloodwork at this point). Most things that have to do with the nervous system and the brain cannot be determined through bloodwork. You need a brain and head MRI scan, and you need an in-depth analysis (i.e. determining blood flow to certain areas of the brain following different stimuli). You also possibly require an assessment from a proffessional psychiatrist/psychologist.
You also need to get off any and all anabolic steroids and stay off until this stuff is figured out. Noopept may help (it certainly helped my good friend who had bad depression and PTSD), but it may not help if your problem is caused by a major disturbance in your nervous system and the brain. You could possibly have a brain tumor for all you and I know. You NEED to get those aforementioned testing procedures done.
Think about it: you're asking me, a person whom you've never met, over the internet via PMs on a message board questions concerning the diagnosis of a potentially very serious medical condition. I don't have any bloodwork to go by, no MRI scans to examine, and no psychological assessments to review. FURTHERMORE: I am not a doctor (yet)!! I honestly am in the dark here (and so are you), and if you keep trying to guess and pinpoint this stuff without the proper testing procedures, it is the EXACT EQUIVALENT to me giving you a gun, throwing you in a pitch black room with no lights, and telling you to "hit the target", yet I have not told you in which general direction in the room the target even is (there may not even be a target existing in the room). You might even shoot yourself! Get what I mean? I am very surprised you have had these major brain fog, fatigue, and psychological issues for as long as you have and you have not gone for the appropriate medical consultation.
Furthermore, by throwing all of these different things into your body (whether they are over the counter, prescription, or not), you are increasing the chances of these things messing yourself up even more. The nervous system and the brain is something you do not want to screw around with at all. And when I start getting PMs asking me about using Noopept with SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors), I start to become very concerned for your well being. I know i've never met you, I know this is the internet, I know this is a forum - but I do what I do because I want to help people live better lives. That's why I take the time out of my busy schedule to type up things like these. I hate seeing people suffer and become mere shadows of their former selves, but what I hate even more is to see people engage in self-destruction when the original goal is to actually improve whatever condition is being fought.
My final advice to anyone here experiencing severe brain and/or nervous system problems is: see a doctor, tell him/her your problems, and then request the testing and examination procedures I have listed above. Playing the guessing game and going around buying countless lists of different psychotropics, supplements, drugs, and nutrients will eventually end up in your demise because i've seen it in other people. If things are as bad as they've been made out to be, your nervous system is possibly so wrecked and broken down from god knows what that any additional strain you might be putting on it with all of these drugs and supplements WILL eventually cause your nervous system to totally collapse and break down. Some of these conditions sound so severe to me that I would say that the individual(s) in question are on the borderline of entering: mania, hypomania, psychosis, and suicidal tendencies. Seek need proffessional help.
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Atomini may be one smart madafuka but take any serious issues as just that. Serious. Go see a doctor. Some dude you don't know giving advice on a non FDA approved substance from Russia on a steroid website... That sounds about the most credible source I've ever seen lol
Not to insult bro. Making a point
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Atomini. I hate to ask for medical advise but I think I have contracted smallpox. What should I do? Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Time is of the essence.
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Very interesting. Looking into this now. doses from 10-30mgs 3times a day. How long are you guys staying on this? Once I find a great source Ill try this out asap. I personally feel I have "brain fog" alot.
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Does it increase penis size?
Lol nah just kidding, I'm on day 2, 3 times a day 30mg each dose.
One thing very noticeable is that it has made me calmer, I can concentrate more and sound and vision, wow. First came clear vision then the sound. So much more enhanced.
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