Where to draw the line

**--->>405<<---** · 02-09-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Maybe you should take your patient bride OUT for a big meal!!!!

yeh i thought about that!

carabbas.. (she is patient.. )

**Papa Smurf** · 02-09-2013, 05:40 PM

There is a reason its called "happy fat"

Learn to like that guy in the mirror bro! He sounds like a pretty good dude!

Give the poor bastard a break and take him (and his lovely wife) out for a night on the town. I feel she has earned it!

**--->>405<<---** · 02-09-2013, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Smurf

There is a reason its called "happy fat"

Learn to like that guy in the mirror bro! He sounds like a pretty good dude!

Give the poor bastard a break and take him (and his lovely wife) out for a night on the town. I feel she has earned it!

LOL yeh ive been pretty hard on her and him for awhile! thx dude..

**kelkel** · 02-09-2013, 07:12 PM

Yeah, he can be an arse at times! I hear she's really nice though!

**austinite** · 02-09-2013, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

i guess what im wondering is do any of yall ever get sick and tired of looking at urself in the mirror and never being completely satisfied or is it just me?

every day

**ElectraMaddox** · 02-09-2013, 08:00 PM

I feel like that too!

**t-dogg** · 02-09-2013, 08:12 PM

I think everyone has to ask themselves who do you want to be? What are you willings to give up? And is it worth it?

**basketballfan22** · 02-09-2013, 11:48 PM

405,

I understand where you are coming from. It is very common for people who start seriously training to get muscle dysmorphia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia. I think it is great to always set goals in every aspect of life and not get complacent; HOWEVER you must keep your damn sanity and happiness. Look at all of your damn progress. It is ridiculous. You look great already; so if you have to ease up a bit, it won't kill you. I have never gone on a cutting cycle because I am still trying to put on lean muscle mass, so I can't imagine how hard it is for you at times. I think a lot of your emotions are coming from burn out and just plain damn hunger. When I first read that you were trying to reach 6% body fat before using AAS, I couldn't believe it. I think you are just temporarily experiencing depression (I don't think that is the most accurate term to use). Everyone is constantly wanting more and to be better, and we all either get mildly self-concious or just plain want more. Take a break, relax, and "cheat" on your diet sometimes. You of all people don't have to worry about abusing it. While I would hesitate recommending "cheating" on one's workout routine or diet if they are new, you definitely don't have to worry about that. That is just my two cents.

**basketballfan22** · 02-10-2013, 12:00 AM

One more thing. I believe this thread is great. It shows that no matter how serious one is and how far one has come, EVERYONE tires out and needs a break from time to time. I can relate to you on many fronts from what I have read. I am an extremist in every aspect of life, and I desire to be the best in everything. I HATE not knowing something, losing in anything, being weaker or smaller than someone else, being worse at basketball than another person, etc. You have a great reputation here, and I know you have made a lot of friends who are like you in many ways. Just keep talking to them, and I am sure your motivation will return in no time. Also don't let your recent BOD POD results affect you too much. Look at your pictures and gauge how you feel. You are very lean, and your desired body fat percentage is very subjective and arbitrary. Personally, I believe you can ease up on your body fat obsession and concentrate on a maintenance diet; but you are in a far better position to make that call than me.

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yeah, he can be an arse at times! I hear she's really nice though!

LOL.. ur right Kel!

Originally Posted by austinite

every day

thx austin

Originally Posted by ElectraMaddox

I feel like that too!

thx electra!

Originally Posted by t-dogg

I think everyone has to ask themselves who do you want to be? What are you willings to give up? And is it worth it?

yes we do! i appreciate all ur guys input and support!

i can tell u that extreme caloric deficit over a decent span of time is a very difficult thing to deal with psychologically! i didnt realize it until running this diet. i have had crazy thoughts at times, been depressed, all kinds of stuff! part of what has made this so tuff i think is i havent used any stims or chemicals to help me fight hunger. im not a big fan of feeling like a crack head which is what stims do to me.. so basically ive fought hunger by chugging water and just dealing with it.

my original plan for this cut was 4-6 weeks and not being able to get the AAS i had intended to have a long time ago combined with the reasons stated for this thread above has led me to the conclusion of ending the cut at 4 weeks which is today..

i am looking forward to running maintenance and taking a break from starving 2 out of every 3 days! LOL.. i will continue to fast on my maintenance diet but instead of eating only 600cals and fasting 2 days in a row i will do it EOD and eat 1500-1800cals..

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by basketballfan22

405,

I understand where you are coming from. It is very common for people who start seriously training to get muscle dysmorphia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia. I think it is great to always set goals in every aspect of life and not get complacent; HOWEVER you must keep your damn sanity and happiness. Look at all of your damn progress. It is ridiculous. You look great already; so if you have to ease up a bit, it won't kill you. I have never gone on a cutting cycle because I am still trying to put on lean muscle mass, so I can't imagine how hard it is for you at times. I think a lot of your emotions are coming from burn out and just plain damn hunger. When I first read that you were trying to reach 6% body fat before using AAS, I couldn't believe it. I think you are just temporarily experiencing depression (I don't think that is the most accurate term to use). Everyone is constantly wanting more and to be better, and we all either get mildly self-concious or just plain want more. Take a break, relax, and "cheat" on your diet sometimes. You of all people don't have to worry about abusing it. While I would hesitate recommending "cheating" on one's workout routine or diet if they are new, you definitely don't have to worry about that. That is just my two cents.

BBall appreciate it man

some of those symptoms sounds like me for sure! if i had to speculate as to whether i was muscle dysmorphic my guess would be not. if anything i would lean more towards the side of being overly concerned with body fat over muscularity! probably cuz i was an fat guy and a fat kid. anyone who was a fat kid KNOWS what im talking about here too!

being a fat kid fvcking sucks LOL.. it seems i will always be running from that fat little fella for the rest of my life!

Originally Posted by basketballfan22

One more thing. I believe this thread is great. It shows that no matter how serious one is and how far one has come, EVERYONE tires out and needs a break from time to time. I can relate to you on many fronts from what I have read. I am an extremist in every aspect of life, and I desire to be the best in everything. I HATE not knowing something, losing in anything, being weaker or smaller than someone else, being worse at basketball than another person, etc. You have a great reputation here, and I know you have made a lot of friends who are like you in many ways. Just keep talking to them, and I am sure your motivation will return in no time. Also don't let your recent BOD POD results affect you too much. Look at your pictures and gauge how you feel. You are very lean, and your desired body fat percentage is very subjective and arbitrary. Personally, I believe you can ease up on your body fat obsession and concentrate on a maintenance diet; but you are in a far better position to make that call than me.

yeh as far as BOD POD like i said in my other thread u would think a guy getting a BOD POD reading of 9.3% would be happy as heck especially considering just a year earlier he got one of 26.6%! i think my unhappiness with the results are exactly the essence i am trying to expose in this thread here..

i think i can say with a fair degree of accuracy as it relates to me personally to achieve 6% body fat i believe i would need the assistance of additional compounds such as T3 and clenbuterol . maybe one day i will be willing to go down that road but its not today!

i would also like to note it may or may not be possible to get there with just diet and cardio for myself but the amount of suffering and deprivation that has become apparent it would require of me is too great which is why i have concluded i would need the compounds mentioned above.

**cherrydrpepper** · 02-10-2013, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

i guess what im wondering is do any of yall ever get sick and tired of looking at urself in the mirror and never being completely satisfied or is it just me?

I come really close to being satisfied when another guy gives me props, asks me about my routine or diet, etc.

I feel actually satisfied at the exact moment I catch a girl checking me out or a girl tells her friend "he's big" or something like that and I hear it. I would think even if I was married that would be the ticket.

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by cherrydrpepper

I come really close to being satisfied when another guy gives me props, asks me about my routine or diet, etc.

I feel actually satisfied at the exact moment I catch a girl checking me out or a girl tells her friend "he's big" or something like that and I hear it. I would think even if I was married that would be the ticket.

yeh believe me i get that all the time dude!

really good is when ur in the gym and its crowded and there are a couple hot chicks in there and u look over and catch them both huddled together looking at you with that look of like theyre conspiring to take u into an abandoned part of the gym and make you pay! LOL..

that is not what im talking about though. what im talking about is when u get home on a different day after u have forgotten about and/or gotten over that high and ur not feeling all that great, one of ur fat days, or small days, or whatever kinda day it is u have that makes u look at urself and think : i have to do more and look better and do this and achieve that and this isnt how i want it, and thats not good enuff.." thats what im talking about!

for the record i am over the mood i was in yesterday LOL.. i ate some ice cream and banana bread and cereal and stuff last night and ive had pancakes this am as well as more capn crunch (cinnamon roll - which is freaking good as a mofo and i highly recommend it!).. so im feeling pretty good and positive. i look full and lean in the mirror and get to do upper body at the gym today. i intend to take a few pics to finalize this cut. hopefully i can get a couple good ones and ill post em..

so like i said yesterday, extreme caloric deficits can wreak psychological havoc on a person! itll make u go thru major mood swings! i am glad its over and also fairly proud of myself for being able to make it thru 4 weeks of it..

**basketballfan22** · 02-10-2013, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

BBall appreciate it man

some of those symptoms sounds like me for sure! if i had to speculate as to whether i was muscle dysmorphic my guess would be not. if anything i would lean more towards the side of being overly concerned with body fat over muscularity! probably cuz i was an fat guy and a fat kid. anyone who was a fat kid KNOWS what im talking about here too!

being a fat kid fvcking sucks LOL.. it seems i will always be running from that fat little fella for the rest of my life!

yeh as far as BOD POD like i said in my other thread u would think a guy getting a BOD POD reading of 9.3% would be happy as heck especially considering just a year earlier he got one of 26.6%! i think my unhappiness with the results are exactly the essence i am trying to expose in this thread here..

i think i can say with a fair degree of accuracy as it relates to me personally to achieve 6% body fat i believe i would need the assistance of additional compounds such as T3 and clenbuterol . maybe one day i will be willing to go down that road but its not today!

i would also like to note it may or may not be possible to get there with just diet and cardio for myself but the amount of suffering and deprivation that has become apparent it would require of me is too great which is why i have concluded i would need the compounds mentioned above.

I apologize. I think I was just directing muscle dysmorphia on to you because that is what I believe I have. I am a pretty major ectomorph, so I can't relate to being a "fat kid" (I am not bragging). Yeah, that sounds like what you are doing; but I think you have been good at converting that paranoia to motivation to work so hard in and out of the gym.

Yes, pretty much everyone would be stoked if they received a 9.3% body fat result. I am pretty lean, and even I would love to be sub 10%. I think you may be onto something about reaching 6% body fat naturally. Unless you want to take on bulimia or anorexia, I believe a body fat percentage that low would be extremely difficult without AAS.

It sounds like you are already in a good peace of mind. You are lucky those feelings only lasted one day!

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 01:14 PM

LOL.. yeh like i said the effects of low low cal eating over time is cumulative. it seems my mood deteriorates further and further each 3 day cycle..

funny today in the gym i actually considered continuing on but i dont think so. i took a couple pics and dont see enuff difference for the work i had to do to continue.

**likelifting** · 02-10-2013, 01:45 PM

This thread is surprising to me. I was high 20s bf and now was calipered at 16% and while I'm happier, I'm not content either. But I assumed if I ever did hit single digit bf I would be ecstatice and my quest would be over. After reading this thread, I'm not sure. I wonder if I would want more too.

With all that said, congrats on your achievement 405. From an outsiders perspective, you have achieved something a lot of us want. Good luck!

**canesfan804** · 02-10-2013, 01:54 PM

405 I think you have doen a great job. You have transformed your body but we all get burned out over time. Start getting ready for the bulk now. Why wait till June? Good luck either way man.

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by likelifting

This thread is surprising to me. I was high 20s bf and now was calipered at 16% and while I'm happier, I'm not content either. But I assumed if I ever did hit single digit bf I would be ecstatice and my quest would be over. After reading this thread, I'm not sure. I wonder if I would want more too.

With all that said, congrats on your achievement 405. From an outsiders perspective, you have achieved something a lot of us want. Good luck!

yeh like i appreciate it man and can recall being just like u! i remember looking at GBrices avi and thinking "if i could just look like that everything would be great!"

Originally Posted by canesfan804

405 I think you have doen a great job. You have transformed your body but we all get burned out over time. Start getting ready for the bulk now. Why wait till June? Good luck either way man.

2 reasons:
1. need body to get out of hromonal responses to extreme deficit

2. 10 week cycle, cruise at end of april = have to wait til i get back.. of course i know a week on a cruise will mean 10lbs fat (or so) to lose.. hence june..

**canesfan804** · 02-10-2013, 02:22 PM

You still gonna car cycle while doing the maintenance and bulk??

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by canesfan804

You still gonna car cycle while doing the maintenance and bulk??

u mean Var??? yes probably..

**canesfan804** · 02-10-2013, 03:38 PM

Sorry I meant carb cycle. Would you be wasting $ on var for a bulk tho?

**cherrydrpepper** · 02-10-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

I think everyone has to ask themselves who do you want to be? What are you willings to give up? And is it worth it?

This is gold and very similar to some things Schwarzenegger has said

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by canesfan804

You still gonna car cycle while doing the maintenance and bulk??

Originally Posted by canesfan804

Sorry I meant carb cycle. Would you be wasting $ on var for a bulk tho?

bulk yes.. maintenance maybe not.. i will prob be at a deficit of sorts on the run up to my cruise. want to see how well it hardens.. prob go 4-5 weeks leading up to the cruise..

**--->>405<<---** · 02-10-2013, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by cherrydrpepper

This is gold and very similar to some things Schwarzenegger has said

well im realizing im just a regular 38yr old married dude and NOT arnold schwarzeneggar i have proven to myself i can cut to 9%bf so.. we'll see what the future holds with T3 and steroids .. i see my thinking beginning to transition.

**Lunk1** · 02-10-2013, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

well im realizing im just a regular 38yr old married dude and NOT arnold schwarzeneggar i have proven to myself i can cut to 9%bf so.. we'll see what the future holds with T3 and steroids .. i see my thinking beginning to transition.

Damn juice head!