Ladies and Guns-Any Thoughts?

[Lunk1]

Oh i agree , thats why i have my own personal drone that flys abovecand watches me. Nothing stops a 2000lb grizzy high on pcp like a hellfire missle

Your so silly when it comes to gun issues lol! C'mon..if someone feels the need to carry concealed (not debating if there is a need or not), why would or should they carry a BB gun?

[gixxerboy1]

Your so silly when it comes to gun issues lol! C'mon..if someone feels the need to carry concealed (not debating if there is a need or not), why would or should they carry a BB gun?

Your honestly sayings if u shot 99% od the people with a 22 on a break in or a mugging thats not going to stop them. Isnt the issue to get them to leave, run or what ever not kill them

[Lunk1]

Your honestly sayings if u shot 99% od the people with a 22 on a break in or a mugging thats not going to stop them. Isnt the issue to get them to leave, run or what ever not kill them

Honestly NO! The idea isn't to kill someone but it is to stop the threat! The high velocity and small bullet size of a .22 has caused ppl to not evn know they have been shot for several minutes! Keep in mind the purpose for a .22 in the hunting world is for small game. Rabbits, squirrels and so on! Would you consider a Human Being to be small game?

If an attacker is intent on carrying out his mission then you need to create as much damage as neccessary to stop the threat! .22 caliber ammo simply does not create enough tissue damage to stop the threat in an expediant fashion!

[Vettester]

On the subject of ammo, I keep Critical Defense FTX for my 9mm's. I keep extra magazines just for this purpose, and then my practice magazines we just use standard 115g Federal, or whatever is on the shelf. Not sure what others prefer, but they have this ammo (critical defense) across the board for .380's, 38's, .40's, etc.

[DB1982]

Honestly NO! The idea isn't to kill someone but it is to stop the threat! The high velocity and small bullet size of a .22 has caused ppl to not evn know they have been shot for several minutes! Keep in mind the purpose for a .22 in the hunting world is for small game. Rabbits, squirrels and so on! Would you consider a Human Being to be small game?

If an attacker is intent on carrying out his mission then you need to create as much damage as neccessary to stop the threat! .22 caliber ammo simply does not create enough tissue damage to stop the threat in an expediant fashion!

In my CPL class they told (sheriff) us to you shoot to kill not wound.
Reason being a dead person can't sue you. The sheriff also stated that a typical gun injury case is around $50,000 all said and done.
As a police officer the county pick up those costs of the defense.

And the idea of wounding an intruder in your home is debatable.
Since if you wake up to an intruder in your home unannounced in the middle of the night or day they're not there to borrow sugar.

I'll tell you for myself if someone breaks in my house. I'll will shoot to mortally wound them. If they survive god was on their side. If not well them they should've picked a different house.

[ChiveOn]

Now that Illinois is joining the other 49 states with conceal and carry ill be applying on day 1! I have a right to my guns and noone will take them. I hunt, serve military, and shoot for fun. It's a way of life.
Idk about around you guys but all the shelves in all the stores are bare. No ammo. Only revolvers left for sale. Seems that Obama is this years #1 gun salesman

[warmouth]

Honestly NO! The idea isn't to kill someone but it is to stop the threat! The high velocity and small bullet size of a .22 has caused ppl to not evn know they have been shot for several minutes! Keep in mind the purpose for a .22 in the hunting world is for small game. Rabbits, squirrels and so on! Would you consider a Human Being to be small game?

If an attacker is intent on carrying out his mission then you need to create as much damage as neccessary to stop the threat! .22 caliber ammo simply does not create enough tissue damage to stop the threat in an expediant fashion!

What! The reason I carry is not to stop someone but to stop thier heart. I'm not out to slow a person fron trying to harm me. If I'm going to pull my gun, it is getting fired. I'm not like some punk teenage thug who will flash his piece around. No one knows I carry, but if they come at me, ill do my best to bury them. All I need to to injure someone who will in turn press charges and sue me. Then I'm broke and in prison for trying to defend myself. No thanks. .45 should do the job fine.

[RaginCajun]

chick i am seeing at the moment carries a 9mm but is wanting either a .40 or .45

i say go shoot a lot of guns first and then decide for yourself what is comfortable for you

good luck!

[Capebuffalo]

What! The reason I carry is not to stop someone but to stop thier heart. I'm not out to slow a person fron trying to harm me. If I'm going to pull my gun, it is getting fired. I'm not like some punk teenage thug who will flash his piece around. No one knows I carry, but if they come at me, ill do my best to bury them. All I need to to injure someone who will in turn press charges and sue me. Then I'm broke and in prison for trying to defend myself. No thanks. .45 should do the job fine.

That's why you double tap.

[Papa Smurf]

In my CPL class they told (sheriff) us to you shoot to kill not wound.
Reason being a dead person can't sue you. The sheriff also stated that a typical gun injury case is around $50,000 all said and done.
As a police officer the county pick up those costs of the defense.

And the idea of wounding an intruder in your home is debatable.
Since if you wake up to an intruder in your home unannounced in the middle of the night or day they're not there to borrow sugar.

I'll tell you for myself if someone breaks in my house. I'll will shoot to mortally wound them. If they survive god was on their side. If not well them they should've picked a different house.

Break in to my house with me or wife at home.............. wounded will never come up. Like your Sherriff friend said........make it a one sided agrument!!

[crazy mike]

Unfortunately or fortunately however you look at it, I crazy mike, cannot have a gun. Legally I cannot own one or posses one at anytime. But the real deal is I can't handle it, with my temper and mania I could hurt or kill someone and myself. I have to be honest and I don't trust myself with my bi-polar disorder. I have proven to not be trusted. My wife would leave and I mean I'm not joking she would move away the day I got it. So a woman has to be stable and must feel safe without one, so she would make a sensible decision as to when to use it or bring it out. ...crazy mike

[Lunk1]

In my CPL class they told (sheriff) us to you shoot to kill not wound.
Reason being a dead person can't sue you. The sheriff also stated that a typical gun injury case is around $50,000 all said and done.
As a police officer the county pick up those costs of the defense.

And the idea of wounding an intruder in your home is debatable.
Since if you wake up to an intruder in your home unannounced in the middle of the night or day they're not there to borrow sugar.

I'll tell you for myself if someone breaks in my house. I'll will shoot to mortally wound them. If they survive god was on their side. If not well them they should've picked a different house.

What! The reason I carry is not to stop someone but to stop thier heart. I'm not out to slow a person fron trying to harm me. If I'm going to pull my gun, it is getting fired. I'm not like some punk teenage thug who will flash his piece around. No one knows I carry, but if they come at me, ill do my best to bury them. All I need to to injure someone who will in turn press charges and sue me. Then I'm broke and in prison for trying to defend myself. No thanks. .45 should do the job fine.

Break in to my house with me or wife at home.............. wounded will never come up. Like your Sherriff friend said........make it a one sided agrument!!

I think you guys are missing the point..and that Sheriffs deputy should be slapped hard! You are not shooting anyone with the intent to kill them!!!! it's self defense! If the threat no longer exists...then niether does the need to continue to protect yourself! Yes you want to stop the threat in the most proficient manner possibel! if that means putting a bulit between his running lights...then so be it! But if you shoot and the "bad guy disengages or is incapacitated...you lose your legal right to use deadly force!

If you are shooting someone with the intent to kill them...then I will quickly side with Gixx and refer to that as a redneck un-educated mentality that gives CCW holders a bad name! Even LE doesn't shoot ppl with the intent to kill them...they shoot ppl with the intent to stop the threat towards themselves or someone else!

[DB1982]

I think you guys are missing the point..and that Sheriffs deputy should be slapped hard! You are not shooting anyone with the intent to kill them!!!! it's self defense! If the threat no longer exists...then niether does the need to continue to protect yourself! Yes you want to stop the threat in the most proficient manner possibel! if that means putting a bulit between his running lights...then so be it! But if you shoot and the "bad guy disengages or is incapacitated...you lose your legal right to use deadly force!

If you are shooting someone with the intent to kill them...then I will quickly side with Gixx and refer to that as a redneck un-educated mentality that gives CCW holders a bad name! Even LE doesn't shoot ppl with the intent to kill them...they shoot ppl with the intent to stop the threat towards themselves or someone else!

That's what I was getting at Lunk.
If I have to use my firearm to protect myself or family . I'll do so in manner to end the danger as swiftly as possible.
In doing so if the attacker lives so be it.
If not that's their fault.
I wasn't insinuating that I would continue after them if they run or shoot them again once they're down. That's murder plan and simple.

[DB1982]

That's what I was getting at Lunk.
If I have to use my firearm to protect myself or family . I'll do so in manner to end the danger as swiftly as possible.
In doing so if the attacker lives so be it.
If not that's their fault.
I wasn't insinuating that I would continue after them if they run or shoot them again once they're down. That's murder plan and simple.

Another thing is the sheriff wasn't saying go out and kill. He meant you shoot to center mass of the intruders body. So in other words shoot to kill .( hit vital organs)
Not legs or limbs. You shoot to stop the attacker as fast as possible.
We were trained 3 shots center mass take cover and reassess the situation

[Lunk1]

That's what I was getting at Lunk.
If I have to use my firearm to protect myself or family . I'll do so in manner to end the danger as swiftly as possible.
In doing so if the attacker lives so be it.
If not that's their fault.
I wasn't insinuating that I would continue after them if they run or shoot them again once they're down. That's murder plan and simple.

Thae fact that a LE told someone in a class that they should shoot to kill is dumb! I would never say shoot to wound or shoot to kill. I always teach shoot to stop the threat! For this same reason I do not prefer the smaller caliber handguns for CCW!

[Lunk1]

Another thing is the sheriff wasn't saying go out and kill. He meant you shoot to center mass of the intruders body. So in other words shoot to kill .( hit vital organs)
Not legs or limbs. You shoot to stop the attacker as fast as possible.
We were trained 3 shots center mass take cover and reassess the situation

You may want to take another class taught by someone with some decent knowledge! The old close group center mass shooting is plain dumb! Think about how far a deer can run after taking a 1 oz slug to the lungs or it's heart has been torn to pieces! The idea is to stop the attacker and get to help! I teach pelvic girdle shooting! It's a large target area that will stop an attacker in his tracks! That same deer that can run for miles with vital organ dage...drops like a sack of potatoes when it's pelvis and spine are destroyed!

It's far to easy to miss vital organs and placing several rounds in the same location is just a waste of time and ammo! Quite frankly I teach to avoid contact at all costs. Grab a phone...take up a defensive position and call 911! Nobody should try to actively engage an intruder!

[songdog]

But dont you think something is wrong when citizens feel they must be arming them selfs because there afraid of all the crime? Call me a nieve country boy but i dont understand.

Now in Australia crime is going up beacuse they took your guns.Now only outlaws have guns.Your goverment is real good at cleaning up crime arent they! NRA member here! and proud of it!

[Capebuffalo]

By deciding to carry a gun for self-defense, you have taken up a great responsibility to protect yourself, your family, your friends, and other innocents around you. You must now practice and maintain self-control and restraint wherever you go. Situational awareness and staying in a sound judgment when you carry is of the utmost importance. Do not let fights or arguments escalate. You have a responsibility to stay out of a potentially lethal situation. No one wants to have to pull his or her gun unless it is absolutely necessary.
Necessity is part of every states’ laws when you must use deadly force. However, all states differ in their language, but in general, the legal use of deadly force in self-defense the following factors must be present:
Was it justified?
Was it necessary?
Was deadly force reasonable?
Was death or serious bodily injury imminent?
Therefore, you cannot shoot someone in self-defense if you provoked the attack, you are not in immediate danger, and the attacker must have the ability and chance to hurt you. Many states recognize that deadly force is necessary when someone is committing, or without a doubt about to commit a felony. All states differ on how they define a felony. Some say “forcible felony,” while others specify which felonies, but as a general rule, robbery, burglary, and any other felony that would be punishable with the death sentence is justified reason to use deadly force against another human being.
Of course, the issue is never black and white. Whether you used justifiable deadly force in a situation is up to the law enforcement officer responding to the scene, the lawyers involved, the jury, and the judge all have a say. Some states have laws to protect you against civil court cases for using deadly force. Other states, even though you have proven you were justified, do allow the criminal or the criminal’s family to sue you. Hawaii and New Jersey allow a civil suit against you, even if deadly force was justifiable.

Take a self-defense pistol class and practice as much as possible with your gun.
Most states allow you to use deadly force to protect yourself, and other innocents as well. Some states specifically define third parties. For example in Oklahoma, these other innocents are “his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, and servant.” Vermont also defines which third parties you may defend, “his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward.”
Another big factor in determining if you have the legal right to defend yourself by using deadly force is the ability to retreat. Some states require you to “escape” the situation if you can. If you knowingly had a way out of the situation, the state could possibly charge you with murder. The Castle Doctrine law that many states have adopted means that you have no duty to retreat if you are in your own home and in most cases, at work. Make My Day Law or Stand Your Ground Law is an extension of the Castle Doctrine, which means you have no duty to retreat anywhere you have a right to be.

[warmouth]

I think you guys are missing the point..and that Sheriffs deputy should be slapped hard! You are not shooting anyone with the intent to kill them!!!! it's self defense! If the threat no longer exists...then niether does the need to continue to protect yourself! Yes you want to stop the threat in the most proficient manner possibel! if that means putting a bulit between his running lights...then so be it! But if you shoot and the "bad guy disengages or is incapacitated...you lose your legal right to use deadly force!

If you are shooting someone with the intent to kill them...then I will quickly side with Gixx and refer to that as a redneck un-educated mentality that gives CCW holders a bad name! Even LE doesn't shoot ppl with the intent to kill them...they shoot ppl with the intent to stop the threat towards themselves or someone else!

I have to disagree. I hope to God that I never have to shoot anyone, but if I pull my gun because of a life or death situation, a freaking thug in the projects approaching my car with a gun while I'm stopped at a light behind other cars, that guy is dead. I don't intend on shooting a leg or wounding him to give up. Self defense is just that. It either you or him. I choose him. Nothing redneck about doing what is necessary to preserve you or your wifes life. Hes a dead man.

[Lunk1]

I have to disagree. I hope to God that I never have to shoot anyone, but if I pull my gun because of a life or death situation, a freaking thug in the projects approaching my car with a gun while I'm stopped at a light behind other cars, that guy is dead. I don't intend on shooting a leg or wounding him to give up. Self defense is just that. It either you or him. I choose him. Nothing redneck about doing what is necessary to preserve you or your wifes life. Hes a dead man.

Your missing my point still! I dont care if you target the head the heart or where! I'm not suggesting shoot to wound! I am saying you are only justified to shoot another person in order to stop the threat! Not to kill...I hate the terminology! I would never intentionally shoot someone with the intention of taking their life...only to stop the threat against mine or the life of another!

[Lunk1]

By deciding to carry a gun for self-defense, you have taken up a great responsibility to protect yourself, your family, your friends, and other innocents around you. You must now practice and maintain self-control and restraint wherever you go. Situational awareness and staying in a sound judgment when you carry is of the utmost importance. Do not let fights or arguments escalate. You have a responsibility to stay out of a potentially lethal situation. No one wants to have to pull his or her gun unless it is absolutely necessary.
Necessity is part of every states’ laws when you must use deadly force. However, all states differ in their language, but in general, the legal use of deadly force in self-defense the following factors must be present:
Was it justified?
Was it necessary?
Was deadly force reasonable?
Was death or serious bodily injury imminent?
Therefore, you cannot shoot someone in self-defense if you provoked the attack, you are not in immediate danger, and the attacker must have the ability and chance to hurt you. Many states recognize that deadly force is necessary when someone is committing, or without a doubt about to commit a felony. All states differ on how they define a felony. Some say “forcible felony,” while others specify which felonies, but as a general rule, robbery, burglary, and any other felony that would be punishable with the death sentence is justified reason to use deadly force against another human being.
Of course, the issue is never black and white. Whether you used justifiable deadly force in a situation is up to the law enforcement officer responding to the scene, the lawyers involved, the jury, and the judge all have a say. Some states have laws to protect you against civil court cases for using deadly force. Other states, even though you have proven you were justified, do allow the criminal or the criminal’s family to sue you. Hawaii and New Jersey allow a civil suit against you, even if deadly force was justifiable.

Take a self-defense pistol class and practice as much as possible with your gun.
Most states allow you to use deadly force to protect yourself, and other innocents as well. Some states specifically define third parties. For example in Oklahoma, these other innocents are “his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, and servant.” Vermont also defines which third parties you may defend, “his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward.”
Another big factor in determining if you have the legal right to defend yourself by using deadly force is the ability to retreat. Some states require you to “escape” the situation if you can. If you knowingly had a way out of the situation, the state could possibly charge you with murder. The Castle Doctrine law that many states have adopted means that you have no duty to retreat if you are in your own home and in most cases, at work. Make My Day Law or Stand Your Ground Law is an extension of the Castle Doctrine, which means you have no duty to retreat anywhere you have a right to be.

Very few states allow one to protect property with the use of deadly force....

[Capebuffalo]

Your missing my point still! I dont care if you target the head the heart or where! I'm not suggesting shoot to wound! I am saying you are only justified to shoot another person in order to stop the threat! Not to kill...I hate the terminology! I would never intentionally shoot someone with the intention of taking their life...only to stop the threat against mine or the life of another!

Warmouth. He is telling you when telling the cops what happened to make sure and say I was in fear of my life my wife's life child's life etc. you were in fear for your life. I had no other choice. Right Lunk .

[Lunk1]

Warmouth. He is telling you when telling the cops what happened to make sure and say I was in fear of my life my wife's life child's life etc. you were in fear for your life. I had no other choice. Right Lunk .

Well...not exactly lol! I just dont think the term shoot to kill is reletive to self defense!

[Vettester]

Very few states allow one to protect property with the use of deadly force....

California is one of those states that you will just have to take it in the arse if someone is destroying your property.

Technically, if someone was in my driveway and taking a bat to my car, I cannot draw my gun.

[DB1982]

Your missing my point still! I dont care if you target the head the heart or where! I'm not suggesting shoot to wound! I am saying you are only justified to shoot another person in order to stop the threat! Not to kill...I hate the terminology! I would never intentionally shoot someone with the intention of taking their life...only to stop the threat against mine or the life of another!

Your comparing an animal that has no clue what just happened when shot and their instincts to RUN!! To a human who has a thinking brain??
Shoot them in the pelvic all you want.
( your choice)
I will aim for the lungs and heart (center mass) ( my choice )

I hope when you deer hunt you don't aim for the pelvic / gut area. That's a slow painful death
I've never had a deer run more then 30yrds with a lung / heart shot.


Lunk I understand what your saying.
But by pulling your weapon and shooting another human . Is in fact the intent to kill.

We could debate this all day.
I'll stand by my statement I don't ever intend on ever using my firearm or taking another's life.
But if a person puts me or my families life in danger. Then I will go Rambo on them.

There is nothing in this world more important to me then my family. And I will protect them at all costs.

So while it sounds like you will give the attacker a courtesy shot to the pelvic region. ( that's your choice )
The question is would the attacker given you the same courtesy????

That's the question

[Vettester]

Yes, this is a real book, and a must for those thinking about a gun in this state ...

[Lunk1]

Your comparing an animal that has no clue what just happened when shot and their instincts to RUN!! To a human who has a thinking brain??
Shoot them in the pelvic all you want.
( your choice)
I will aim for the lungs and heart (center mass) ( my choice )

I hope when you deer hunt you don't aim for the pelvic / gut area. That's a slow painful death

Lunk I understand what your saying.
But by pulling your weapon and shooting another human . Is in fact the intent to kill.

We could debate this all day.
I'll stand by my statement I don't ever intend on ever using my firearm or taking another's life.
But if a person puts me or my families life in danger. Then I will go Rambo on them.

There is nothing in this world more important to me then my family. And I will protect them at all costs.

So while it sounds like you will give the attacker a courtesy shot to the pelvic region. ( that's your choice )
The question is would the attacker given you the same courtesy????

That's the question

I am not saying the pelvic girdle is where (I) am shooting but I put my abalities a bit above that of the normal untrained CCW holder!

No of course I dont aim there deer hunting either..i am only speaking to the effectiveness of it when putting downa would be attacker! I have no problem taracking a lung shot deer for several miles..I have done it on numerious occasions!

How many times have you been shot at? How many times have you had to draw your weapon and choose between pulling the trigger or not? How many gun shot victims have you spoke to?

I can promise you I have never pointed a gun at another human being with the "intent" intent to KILL them...only a willingness to do so if neccessary! My sole intent is to protect life...not take someone elses! I have been fortunate to have never had to YET but I know several who have. Even when completely justified...you are never the same again!

[Lunk1]

California is one of those states that you will just have to take it in the arse if someone is destroying your property.

Technically, if someone was in my driveway and taking a bat to my car, I cannot draw my gun.

Same here...except the draw your gun part. You can def. point a firearm at in individual stealing property but until they become a direct threat...deadly force is not warranted!

[DB1982]

I am not saying the pelvic girdle is where (I) am shooting but I put my abalities a bit above that of the normal untrained CCW holder!

No of course I dont aim there deer hunting either..i am only speaking to the effectiveness of it when putting downa would be attacker! I have no problem taracking a lung shot deer for several miles..I have done it on numerious occasions!

How many times have you been shot at? How many times have you had to draw your weapon and choose between pulling the trigger or not? How many gun shot victims have you spoke to?

I can promise you I have never pointed a gun at another human being with the "intent" intent to KILL them...only a willingness to do so if neccessary! My sole intent is to protect life...not take someone elses! I have been fortunate to have never had to YET but I know several who have. Even when completely justified...you are never the same again!

I have never been in a situation like mentioned above . And prey to God to never be.
And I would agree on never being the same after a traumatic event as such.

[Papa Smurf]

Are all you guys in Cali...................... Rules of engagement must be a little different out there than NC.......

In NC, you have "a duty to retreat" (that means RUN !) from a threat, UNLESS, you are: A: In your Home B: In you vehicle

The home part I get............... The vehicle, I think you should retreat. You have a 5 ta 6000 lb piece of steel to get you outta harms way pretty quick......but thats how the law reads here.

Here's a strange example that was used in our CCW class:

You are awake to hear someone beating down your front door.
You have no way to determine the threat. (Lost drunk looking for a friend, or crackhead wanting to kill whole family)
If you are in "Fear for your Life" you can shoot through the door at the threat ( I know, I couldnt believe it either)

Now, you hear someone beating down your front door........by the time you get to the living room, the guy has broken down the door, and is now inside your home, and is more than 21 feet from you.........You now have to determine if he is a true threat (does he have gun, knife, club, RPG) before you can defend yourself..........Crazy Huh?

The law is written to be a very gray thing.............Justice my peeps is what you can make 12 people believe!!!

Now lets be careful out there!!!!!

[warmouth]

Your missing my point still! I dont care if you target the head the heart or where! I'm not suggesting shoot to wound! I am saying you are only justified to shoot another person in order to stop the threat! Not to kill...I hate the terminology! I would never intentionally shoot someone with the intention of taking their life...only to stop the threat against mine or the life of another!

Ah. I see what you're saying. Don't know if were on the same page or not, I'm just saying that if I'm ever in the situation (hopefully never) I'm not asking questions or making statements. If my gun raises, its firing. I don't take this lightly, as I would hate to be responsible for taking the life of another. But I would do it without hestiation if I had to choose between the chance of me getting fatally wounded or the assailant. In close quarters, and this is instinct in any animal, if confronted or cornered, game over. No questions, statements, or threats.

[BengalWoman]

This is a nice custom 1911




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Yes, the 1911's are attractive. I'm not sure if it's KImber or which one has some really nice 9mm's in the 1911? Might be their solos that I looked at. All things considered, that would be one I would like to consider for carry if I get a CCW.

[BengalWoman]

Unfortunately or fortunately however you look at it, I crazy mike, cannot have a gun. Legally I cannot own one or posses one at anytime. But the real deal is I can't handle it, with my temper and mania I could hurt or kill someone and myself. I have to be honest and I don't trust myself with my bi-polar disorder. I have proven to not be trusted. My wife would leave and I mean I'm not joking she would move away the day I got it. So a woman has to be stable and must feel safe without one, so she would make a sensible decision as to when to use it or bring it out. ...crazy mike

To me that shows you are being pretty honest with yourself. Most guys would just let their egos make that call. Good for you to know where to draw the line. We don't want anything bad to happen, so stay safe

I just would want to know that I will make sound decisions if really put on the spot. It's one of those things a person needs to figure out (male or female), and not just anticipate it will be a natural thing.

[Euroholic]

Now in Australia crime is going up beacuse they took your guns Now only outlaws have guns.Your goverment is real good at cleaning up crime arent they! NRA member here! and proud of it!

Dont poke the bear buddy. The only gun crime in australia is criminals killing other criminals. Joe citizen is in very very rare chance of getting shot for no reason. And crime is not going up were do you get these figures? I think that there is that much crime in your country that you consider it normal. Gixer was right you have it in your head that a 110kilio meth head is lerking around every corner. Just see things from my perspective living in a country with nearly 0 gun crime.

[warmouth]

Dont poke the bear buddy. The only gun crime in australia is criminals killing other criminals. Joe citizen is in very very rare chance of getting shot for no reason. And crime is not going up were do you get these figures? I think that there is that much crime in your country that you consider it normal. Gixer was right you have it in your head that a 110kilio meth head is lerking around every corner. Just see things from my perspective living in a country with nearly 0 gun crime.

Why are you so concerned anyway? You have no desire for life of yourself or anyone else. So what does it matter to you?

[Lunk1]

Dont poke the bear buddy. The only gun crime in australia is criminals killing other criminals. Joe citizen is in very very rare chance of getting shot for no reason. And crime is not going up were do you get these figures? I think that there is that much crime in your country that you consider it normal. Gixer was right you have it in your head that a 110kilio meth head is lerking around every corner. Just see things from my perspective living in a country with nearly 0 gun crime.

Read your own countries statistics before commenting again! While crime on a whole has dropped in Oz since the gun ban...gun related crimes has increased lol! More violent crimes involving firearms have been conducted statisticly since the Oz gun ban than before!

[spywizard]

I'm considering going through the application process to get a conceal carry license here in CA. It's getting scarier by the minute knowing that our state and counties are letting convicts out early to meet their budget requirements.

There are a variety of reasons that I'm seriously looking at this. It is quite a process that I watched Vette go thorough. There doesn't seem to be a lot of ladies talking guns, so I wanted to bring it up and get some thoughts. I am curious how the members (both ladies and the guys) here feel about women and guns? It won't offend me if someone thinks differently about women and guns.. I know a few ladies that I don't think I would want to put a gun in their hands

And then there's the guns.. We have all sorts of them, but I'd probably get something special if I were to qualify and get licensed. Any suggestions? Ladies, do you have a special gun that fits you? I would love a .380 but the dealer said something about the acceptable listing does not have any .380's. California requires that all gun manufactures submit plans and fees for all guns to be on their acceptable listing. Even if there is just a minor change done - they want their money and control. Anyway, I would find a small 9mm. Vette has several 9mm but they are double action and I would prefer a single action.

my wife carries a taurus pt740 that's a 40 cal.. very small .91" thick... it comes in a 9mm the 709 exact same size...

in a 380 cal.... sig sauer 238 comes in a ladies model as well as many different color combos... 15.2 oz..

good times..

[spywizard]

Are all you guys in Cali...................... Rules of engagement must be a little different out there than NC.......

In NC, you have "a duty to retreat" (that means RUN !) from a threat, UNLESS, you are: A: In your Home B: In you vehicle

The home part I get............... The vehicle, I think you should retreat. You have a 5 ta 6000 lb piece of steel to get you outta harms way pretty quick......but thats how the law reads here.

Here's a strange example that was used in our CCW class:

You are awake to hear someone beating down your front door.
You have no way to determine the threat. (Lost drunk looking for a friend, or crackhead wanting to kill whole family)
If you are in "Fear for your Life" you can shoot through the door at the threat ( I know, I couldnt believe it either)

Now, you hear someone beating down your front door........by the time you get to the living room, the guy has broken down the door, and is now inside your home, and is more than 21 feet from you.........You now have to determine if he is a true threat (does he have gun, knife, club, RPG) before you can defend yourself..........Crazy Huh?

The law is written to be a very gray thing.............Justice my peeps is what you can make 12 people believe!!!

Now lets be careful out there!!!!!

the castle doctrine will take care of that..

[Lunk1]

my wife carries a taurus pt740 that's a 40 cal.. very small .91" thick... it comes in a 9mm the 709 exact same size...

in a 380 cal.... sig sauer 238 comes in a ladies model as well as many different color combos... 15.2 oz..

good times..

As much as I love Sigs for their accuracy...I would not rec. them for CCW! They really are finicky and have more of a tendency to (fail to function) more than some other combat pistols!

[spywizard]

On the subject of ammo, I keep Critical Defense FTX for my 9mm's. I keep extra magazines just for this purpose, and then my practice magazines we just use standard 115g Federal, or whatever is on the shelf. Not sure what others prefer, but they have this ammo (critical defense) across the board for .380's, 38's, .40's, etc.

I like those, and i like the balistics of them... but all my guns have the exact same ammo that the local police carry, after all, i don't want to be asked "so you were using special ammo that would cause more damage than even the local police carry?? so you wanted to kill the person"..

you know, when the trial happens..

but that kind of goes out the window since all my glocks take a 22 rd magazine...

judged by 12 rather than carried by 6...