Why hate on newbies?

[pressure]

I'm a pretty new member, considered aas a couple of months ago, but dropped it.
But recently my BJJ Trainer have been extra complainy about my weight, maybe because it's season for competitions, I don't know.

Anyways, I've set my mind to start on a cycle, I think I've read all i should know about it, and if anything goes wrong, you'll probably read about it.

I've been reading threads of members less knowledgeable than myself, and about my age too.
Alot of the older members seem to hate, or at least be annoyed of them starting so early.
Yes, I will give we have higher test level than a forty year old, but seriously, and it would suck to be 'addicted' to aas at our age.
But we don't have a higher chance to shut down our system as the rest of you, and if you just would have our test level, why not HGH?

Here's bottom question, why so closed and annoyed by 20-25 year olds who wants to start AAS?

[Knockout_Power]

I'm a pretty new member, considered aas a couple of months ago, but dropped it.
But recently my BJJ Trainer have been extra complainy about my weight, maybe because it's season for competitions, I don't know.

Anyways, I've set my mind to start on a cycle, I think I've read all i should know about it, and if anything goes wrong, you'll probably read about it.

I've been reading threads of members less knowledgeable than myself, and about my age too.
Alot of the older members seem to hate, or at least be annoyed of them starting so early.
Yes, I will give we have higher test level than a forty year old, but seriously, and it would suck to be 'addicted' to aas at our age.
But we don't have a higher chance to shut down our system as the rest of you, and if you just would have our test level, why not HGH?

Here's bottom question, why so closed and annoyed by 20-25 year olds who wants to start AAS?

google endocrine system... after about 25, its fully developed. You can seriously harm yourself by using AAS too early.

Besides, if your goal is to cut weight, you dont need gear, diet does it on its own.

I competed in the ring for several years, I didnt use gear to cut and I made weight just fine

[Knockout_Power]

Also, newbs tend to come on here and tell us how they plan on running their first cycle as though they know it all or because their dealer told them what they should run. On top of this, when they get told info that is being brought up for their safety, we get shit on a ton for trying to help.

[Knockout_Power]

But we don't have a higher chance to shut down our system as the rest of you, and if you just would have our test level, why not HGH?

also, google acromegaly

[Flagg]

I'm a pretty new member, considered aas a couple of months ago, but dropped it.
But recently my BJJ Trainer have been extra complainy about my weight, maybe because it's season for competitions, I don't know.

Anyways, I've set my mind to start on a cycle, I think I've read all i should know about it, and if anything goes wrong, you'll probably read about it.

I've been reading threads of members less knowledgeable than myself, and about my age too.
Alot of the older members seem to hate, or at least be annoyed of them starting so early.
Yes, I will give we have higher test level than a forty year old, but seriously, and it would suck to be 'addicted' to aas at our age.
But we don't have a higher chance to shut down our system as the rest of you, and if you just would have our test level, why not HGH?

Here's bottom question, why so closed and annoyed by 20-25 year olds who wants to start AAS?

Because the general consensus is at the age range you talk about, your body is in a position to change a lot all on it's own then and you can accomplish a lot with a good solid, diet and training programme. I overheard during the week a couple of guys at work, about 19 years old talking about wanting to do gear and they dont look like they've spent one whole hour in a gym. I cant think how dissasterous that would be for them if they got their hands on some stuff. One of them looks about 5'6 and all of about 120 pounds.

If you have a really good strong base before starting a cycle, the results will be oh so much better.

If anyone in particular has been flaming you, or giving you a hard time you can always let one of the staff know and we can look into it.

And welcome to the board

[Knockout_Power]

I cant think how dissasterous that would be for them if they got their hands on some stuff. One of them looks about 5'6 and all of about 120 pounds

this too... if you dont have a good enough base, you will damage your joints with the sudden increase in strength. Lots of younger guys have serious shoulder problems cause they hurt their rotator lifting too heavy too fast. Go into the Q&A section. Tons of issues with this

[Capebuffalo]

Stats?

[Times Roman]

If someone comes here asking for advice, we give it, and the reasons for our position.

We catch alot of flack from newbs in your age range when we don't give them the answer they want to hear.

Marcus300 has an excellent thread on the young and steroids
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

Marcus is also maintaining another thread of all the youngsters that acted contrary to our advice, then they come back, start another thread, and then ask for advice to get their dick working again.

It's not that we don't like newbs in your age range. Not at all. But it seems that when we give solid advice, quite often, there is a total lack of respect for our years of experience on the subject matter and time invested here, when our advice to them is to hold off until their mid twenties before taking steroids.

Respect is a two way street.

...Ya gotta give if ya wanna get!

Kapeesh?
---Roman

[pressure]

I know your rotator cuff can take injuries when bench pressing the wrong way, one would know that when spending time in the gym.
Actually, my uncle have given me advise about training and diet about 3-4 years ago, I've seen large fingers and some ampules of what I guess is medicine, huge guy.
Although I don't think anyone would advice me taking steroids, even my dad thinks it's a bad idea.
But I've seen 15-17 year olds taking aas, even I think that's stupid, I just hope my endocrine system will be fine.

[Soar]

Why hope for it to be fine? It's just a dumb gamble if you ask me. Be smart about your body, it's the only one you get!

[Lunk1]

I know your rotator cuff can take injuries when bench pressing the wrong way, one would know that when spending time in the gym.
Actually, my uncle have given me advise about training and diet about 3-4 years ago, I've seen large fingers and some ampules of what I guess is medicine, huge guy.
Although I don't think anyone would advice me taking steroids, even my dad thinks it's a bad idea.
But I've seen 15-17 year olds taking aas, even I think that's stupid, I just hope my endocrine system will be fine.

This statement answers your question!

[A_Grant]

Maybe the reason some knowledgeable members are annoyed by newbies is that no matter how they tell them that running a badly planned cycle with a endoc. system in developpement, the newbs just think that it will still be ok, because bad shit only happens to others, right?

With the tremendous quantity of infos available, the fact that people are still not bright enough to make a good choice regarding AAS might cause severe annoyment.

[pressure]

Of course I care about the body, but right know, I'd rather live my life to the fullest.
But someone could probably put my attention elsewhere than physiques.
what would you do in my place?

[Times Roman]

Of course I care about the body, but right know, I'd rather live my life to the fullest.But someone could probably put my attention elsewhere than physiques.
what would you do in my place?

Let me put it this way.

You are so young, and have so much life ahead of you, that it just blows my mind to think you are willing to toss the dice and gamble on your long term health just so you can jump the gun abit.

And the other thing about your age group? Your brain is not fully developed! This means you are lacking some of the higher level cognitive abilities when it comes to judgement and decision making. And this statement you've made illustrates my point. People in your age group quite often have not yet developed the ability to be patient and wait.

We are here to advocate the safe and intelligent use of steroids.

And that means, sometimes our advice is to not take steroids!

Peace
---Roman

[pressure]

I didn't see that one coming, the thing I'm most concerned about is gyno, but with AI in place there's no worries.
But what would worry me, if I had children and they would lose their dad due to heavy aas use, like the one in TV I saw yesterday.

[Flagg]

Of course I care about the body, but right know, I'd rather live my life to the fullest.
But someone could probably put my attention elsewhere than physiques.
what would you do in my place?

Why don't you create a progress log here. A lot of people do it.

Give yourself a window. How good can I look within 6 months. Figure out what you want, more muscle mass, more strength, to cut up, etc. Get a good diet locked in (cause THIS is the hardest part), and get a good training log going.

Take a picture once a month or once a fortnight for your log. You'll surprise yourself how much you'll change within 6 months, just on a decent diet and lifting like a maniac

[Soar]

Of course I care about the body, but right now, I'd rather live my life to the fullest.
But someone could probably put my attention elsewhere than physiques.
what would you do in my place?

Fixed.

You're 19.. Hit the gym and quit thinking its a race. You have plenty of time to grow.

[Times Roman]

Why don't you create a progress log here. A lot of people do it.

Give yourself a window. How good can I look within 6 months. Figure out what you want, more muscle mass, more strength, to cut up, etc. Get a good diet locked in (cause THIS is the hardest part), and get a good training log going.

Take a picture once a month or once a fortnight for your log. You'll surprise yourself how much you'll change within 6 months, just on a decent diet and lifting like a maniac

Flag's right.

...and not only that, as you begin to see your progress, you WILL become motivated, just so you make sure that this month's pic is going to be better than last months' pic.

...and don't underestimate the diet! This is clearly the most overlooked aspect of bodybuilding. If you diet isn't right, you will not be able, or it will be very difficult, to realize your goals.

---Roman

[Flagg]

Flag's right.

...and not only that, as you begin to see your progress, you WILL become motivated, just so you make sure that this month's pic is going to be better than last months' pic.

...and don't underestimate the diet! This is clearly the most overlooked aspect of bodybuilding. If you diet isn't right, you will not be able, or it will be very difficult, to realize your goals.

---Roman

Yep this exactly. It will be a good motivator if you really want to take lifting seriously and a couple years down the line, if you still want to take some gear, you'll have this awesome base to take yourself to the next level.

[pressure]

I've been training for 9-10 months now, although only with dumbbells and door bar.
I've regained most of the strength I had when I was training as 16 year old, god I ate like a pig!

Anyway, I haven't had a log with pictures etc., I keep up the routine, and have a goal, but with the fact that I can only gain 1kg per year, my goal is first going to be fulfilled in 5 years.
I guess I'm taking the fast route, but BMR is just too slow!

[Flagg]

I've been training for 9-10 months now, although only with dumbbells and door bar.
I've regained most of the strength I had when I was training as 16 year old, god I ate like a pig!

Anyway, I haven't had a log with pictures etc., I keep up the routine, and have a goal, but with the fact that I can only gain 1kg per year, my goal is first going to be fulfilled in 5 years.
I guess I'm taking the fast route, but BMR is just too slow!

You can gain more than 1kg per year going natural. I take it you train at home and dont have access to a gym? What kind of food are you eating? Better to eat like a horse than a pig my friend!

[Capebuffalo]

Please list everything you ate yesterda

[Flagg]

Pressure, follow this link...

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...UVYWAxc71Bkand

...create a new thread. Outline what you want to achieve and post the kind of diet you currently have. It will be a good idea to get outline your stats, height, weight and bodyfat. If you're not sure what your bodyfat percentage is, this is quite handy: http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculat...=Body-Fat-Navy these things are not 100% accurate, but it will give you a pretty good rough idea of what you're currently carrying. The people that frequent the nutrition section KNOW what they are talking about. After they have set you up with a decent diet, or moderated yours, we can then look at the kind of lifting you would need to do.

[Times Roman]

I've been training for 9-10 months now, although only with dumbbells and door bar.
I've regained most of the strength I had when I was training as 16 year old, god I ate like a pig!

Anyway, I haven't had a log with pictures etc., I keep up the routine, and have a goal, but with the fact that I can only gain 1kg per year, my goal is first going to be fulfilled in 5 years.
I guess I'm taking the fast route, but BMR is just too slow!

Have you thought about joining a gym so you can exercise your ENTIRE body?

i think 24 hour is only $30/mo

[pressure]

I've only been just above my bmr the last week.
Due to weight gain the last 3-4 months I want to lose some weight before a cycle.

breakfast:
150g bread
40-60g eggs
20g cheese
125g fish

35g whey

lunch:
120g oat

35g whey

dinner:
120g oat

35g casein

and in 30 minutes, 200g chicken with 100g rice and brown sauce

[pressure]

Yeah I am going to start in the local gym as soon as I get the gear, and going to start HST training program with the 1 day training, 1 day off.
Of course a 20min warm up to get the body going.

[pressure]

As far as I know, the macros can be different out of the whole diet, but I'm getting following:
30% proteins, whey in between meals and casein before sleep
50% carbs, mainly slow carbs, but maltodextrin after workout
20% fat, where I get it from almonds with whey in between meals.

I'm getting 50g fat a day, and 160g proteins, give or take a few.

since I'm going to a weight on 80kg, I'm going to eat 2500 calories a day to cover bmr.

How much are you eating?

[pressure]

I'm heading to nutrition forum.
Thanks for answers

[evander87]

Yeah I am going to start in the local gym as soon as I get the gear, and going to start HST training program with the 1 day training, 1 day off.
Of course a 20min warm up to get the body going.

So who wants to starts pool on which joint he injures first?

[Tron3219]

So who wants to starts pool on which joint he injures first?

Shoulder on heavy bench

That heavy bench gets all the new aas newcomers...damn ego

-TroN-

[Times Roman]

So who wants to starts pool on which joint he injures first?

it's like throwing a turbo charger on a schwinn........







OP. All the best to you.

It is my sincere hope that we don't see you in six months complaining cause you don't want to have sex with your girlfriend anymore.

[MuscleInk]

it's like throwing a turbo charger on a schwinn........

OP. All the best to you.

It is my sincere hope that we don't see you in six months complaining cause you don't want to have sex with your girlfriend anymore.

...and they wonder why we get frustrated with the newbies. No matter what you tell them, how many times, or in how many ways, some of them are just to naive, ignorant, or impetuous to listen.

MuscleInk

[diesel101]

X2!!!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Ur stubbornness is annoying......

[Capebuffalo]

Ur stubbornness is annoying......

I think it shows dedication in the face of adversity. He will be just fine.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

I think it shows dedication in the face of adversity. He will be just fine.

Lmao I guess that's one way to look at it

[LGM]

I've been here off and on for a few years, and when I first started, I read (and reread, and then reread again) everything listed in the Q and A forums, including all the descriptions for each steriod, etc.

I still had a shit ton of questions that folks like KP, Swifto, Marcus, Times, Stack and others were able to answer.

Even then, gbrice gave me advice on my macros and diet to help with making sure I was utilizing everything effectively in the nutrition area.

Now, think about how many (and I'm not kidding) THOUSANDS of posts/threads that want to know about doing aas when 17, where to get them, their Var only cycle, their oral only cycle, what's PCT, what can I do about my acne, I've been on test for a year now, what do you mean I have to lose another 33% bodyweight, is this good gear... day after day, year after year...

And they ALL do it for YOUR benefit. They get NOTHING for helping YOU.

So while yeah, sometimes the vets are a little harder on noobs for some of this stuff, it's not because they don't care or don't like you. It's probably because you're the 17th person that day to ask about their Dbol only cycle. (not that that's what you did.)

And even in calling them out (sorta) in this thread, they showed restraint and tried to educate and help.

Just my 2 cents.

[Capebuffalo]

I've only been just above my bmr the last week.
Due to weight gain the last 3-4 months I want to lose some weight before a cycle.

Your 6-2 162 lbs and want to lose weight. But your trainer is complainy about your weight. What are you trying to accomplish at 19 yrs old. Did I miss something ?

[Hazard]

I'm a pretty new member, considered aas a couple of months ago, but dropped it.
But recently my BJJ Trainer have been extra complainy about my weight, maybe because it's season for competitions, I don't know.

Anyways, I've set my mind to start on a cycle, I think I've read all i should know about it, and if anything goes wrong, you'll probably read about it.

I've been reading threads of members less knowledgeable than myself, and about my age too.
Alot of the older members seem to hate, or at least be annoyed of them starting so early.
Yes, I will give we have higher test level than a forty year old, but seriously, and it would suck to be 'addicted' to aas at our age.
But we don't have a higher chance to shut down our system as the rest of you, and if you just would have our test level, why not HGH?

Here's bottom question, why so closed and annoyed by 20-25 year olds who wants to start AAS?

I havnt read the whole thread but here's what I have to say.

I've said this a million times...... I have morals. I CHOOSE not to give advice to those who shouldn't be using aas. If they choose to doit on their own then that's their choice. I will offer my best advice and I won't differ from what I believe is the right advice.

Now...... Maybe members should keep in mind that they too once were newbies..... We all were. We all started not knowing a damn thing. You should keep in mind tho...... This site is Here to give the safest advice possible from other members who have years of experience. The members and staff of this site ARE NOT paid for the time they spend to explain to every single newbie the rights and wrongs of aas. It gets extremely frustrating when we spend our personal time trying to do good and a kid comes and shits on the advice we give because they didn't get the answer they wanted.

If ANYONE has a problem with the way the board is run - they can go someplace else to get their wreck less answers. It's really THAT simple

Hope that helps some..... Have a nice day.

~Haz~

[MickeyKnox]

I've only been just above my bmr the last week.
Due to weight gain the last 3-4 months I want to lose some weight before a cycle.

breakfast:
150g bread
40-60g eggs
20g cheese
125g fish

35g whey

lunch:
120g oat

35g whey

dinner:
120g oat

35g casein

and in 30 minutes, 200g chicken with 100g rice and brown sauce

Is this diet for you or a goat?