Legalize Steroids in America?

[Vagabond101]

Why or why not legalize Steroids . I've said it before and I'll say it again Steroids saved my life. I'm not alone I've read many stories of people who have done complete 180's in their life after taking steroids. So why are steroids Illegal? I would say the biggest down side to steroids is that they work. Of course this give's huge competitive advantages to any athlete using over someone who is not. I've heard many argument's about how unhealthy Steroids are. They cause cancer, liver damage, acne, Rage, hair loss, and you balls will shrink, if you have them.

Misinformation has lead this discussion. Ever Since the passing of Lyle Alzado the argument against steroids has been that they cause Brain Cancer. He himself of course said this was how he came to have Brain Cancer. This was later debunked by his own Dr. but nobody cared to listen. I doubt Alzado was lying he probably had many people opposed of steroids telling him all sorts of B.S. using him to further their cause and making him believe that's why he had cancer. What about all the other people that have contracted Brain cancer through the years the vast majority of them do not take steroids. They say If you do take Steroids then your Brain cancer was caused by them well that doesn't make any sense.

We all know about the epidemic of Steroids in Baseball during the 1990's and into early 2000's. Why have we not seen the outbreak of retired ball players with Cancer. How about Arnold, Stalone, heck Lance Armstrong beat cancer while using steroids. If they Caused cancer how could this be?
Acne we'll who cares that should be a personal choice risk acne or not. Take some Vitamin A and a healthy diet should limit this. Roid Rage is an issue that none of us can deny. High Androgenic Steroids can cause mood swing's and occasional Rage outburst's this can be limited but not completely resolved by properly monitoring Test levels and properly taking these products. There is also speculation from Manufactures that all side effect's could be resolved with further research.
Hair loss also another personal choice in my opinion. If it is worth the risk that should be my choice. There are also research products out now that limit this side effect. So again a non issue in my opinion. On the topic of your Ball's (Huevos) shrinking most people think this last's forever. Actually your balls will shrink while on synthetic Testosterone because your body will stop producing testosterone when you come off your cycle
they grow back as they start producing test. Clomid and other natural test. boosters can help speed this process up.
Liver Damage is the Big issue most of us will agree. But this is less an issue with Steroids then it is with Alcoholism. Unlike Alcoholism proper use of steroids limits the stress on your liver. My belief is that The ONLY Reason Steroids are illegal is because of the unfair advantage in sport's. Steroids can help with Obesity, self esteem, and over all fitness. My suggestion would be that any licensed Personal Trainer should be allowed to administer the use of steroids for anyone they are training. Pro sports have banned steroids already so the Why is the Government involved?
That's my Opinion, rant, what ever you want to call it I just hope this starts a discussion. We need to work towards Legalization of Steroids in America.

[austinite]

It's like asking if baseball should be banned on a baseball forum.

[Youngsters]

It's like asking if baseball should be banned on a baseball forum.

This

[Atomini]

It's like asking if baseball should be banned on a baseball forum.

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This discussion will open up a can of worms, also, really. I could ramble on and on all day about this topic. In fact there isn't a day that doesn't go by where I get into conversations about this will colleagues and classmates, etc. and this will be tiring for me to post about here lol. However, I will say this... I have found that there are FAR more understanding people among the average population who are understanding of the unjust legislation surrounding AAS than I originally thought (this is after I thoroughly explained to them the workings regarding AAS and the truths behind its legislation in 1988 - 1990). But I am in Canada, and I think that the attitues and ignorange towards such a topic as this is perhaps FAR different the farther south we go into the USA.... the land of hysteria and sensationalism.

[Lunk1]

Unless you have some pull in Congress this thread seems useless. How many ppl would vote no on a steroid forum lol.

[Vagabond101]

I agree that people on this forum will want steroids legal. The point is to discuss the why's and how's to get this done. You see states now legalizing Pot. Who made that happen; mainly the discussion was lead by pot smokers and former smokers. This discussion needs to be started here in this forum buy those of us who won't to see it legal. It doesn't matter what thread this is a Huge forum it would be hard to believe that no one of influence is a member on this forum. If we have enough people then maybe we can get recognition from Arnold or any one of Thousands of celebs that have used test. and sill use test. If pot can be legal then so should juice. I appreciate your response keep them coming.

[Euroholic]

Im in australia so im saying no. In aus aas is not that big of a deal ive been to court twice for selling only got fines no convections so its illegal but not that big of a deal.

[Euroholic]

Op pot is considered cool by society and ass useres are seen as child rapists.. Sad world we live in

[Times Roman]

the problem with making it "legal" is that the abuse rate would go up. It would need to be controlled with a heavy emphasis on education and training. More so than simply buying liquor or cannibus.

It took a while before I felt confident/knowledgable enough to start. Then throw in pct, the age thing, diet and exercise.....

I think it would need to be strictly controlled, like gun ownership. You take a steroid safety exam, liike a handgun safety exam. And the exam would have to be extensive. Then you go through a waiting period, and then you go to a clinic to have your prescription filled.

I understand some of it is legal now. But not for the off label purposes we use it for........

[austinite]

I agree that people on this forum will want steroids legal. The point is to discuss the why's and how's to get this done. You see states now legalizing Pot. Who made that happen; mainly the discussion was lead by pot smokers and former smokers. This discussion needs to be started here in this forum buy those of us who won't to see it legal. It doesn't matter what thread this is a Huge forum it would be hard to believe that no one of influence is a member on this forum. If we have enough people then maybe we can get recognition from Arnold or any one of Thousands of celebs that have used test. and sill use test. If pot can be legal then so should juice. I appreciate your response keep them coming.

There is no recreational drug talk. please read the rules.

[austinite]

Op pot is considered cool by society and ass useres are seen as child rapists.. Sad world we live in

There is no recreational drug talk. please read the rules.

[Hazard]

the problem with making it "legal" is that the abuse rate would go up. It would need to be controlled with a heavy emphasis on education and training. More so than simply buying liquor or cannibus.

It took a while before I felt confident/knowledgable enough to start. Then throw in pct, the age thing, diet and exercise.....

I think it would need to be strictly controlled, like gun ownership. You take a steroid safety exam, liike a handgun safety exam. And the exam would have to be extensive. Then you go through a waiting period, and then you go to a clinic to have your prescription filled.

I understand some of it is legal now. But not for the off label purposes we use it for........

If only an exam would be enough..... People I know would pas the exam and still abuse them. Unfortunately that wouldn't even do a thing.

You can't control a substance. You can try..... Like liquor but it'll never be kept under control.

The ONLY way would be to legalize it and wait for the rush of irresponsibility to pass. Once enough time has gone by - the issues would decrease I think. Who's going to sanction something like that though?

[Lunk1]

decriminalize all of it! Let natural selection run it's course and stop immiediatly any goct funded aid to drug users!!!!!!!!!!!

[frank13]

There is no recreational drug talk. please read the rules.

i like your avi i would really like to see her naked

[lovbyts]

Op pot is considered cool by society and ass useres are seen as child rapists.. Sad world we live in

I think it all depends on the age of the ass you are using doesn't it?

The topic seems a bit odd for a newbie doesnt it? Seems more like someone is phishing for personal preferences.

[ChiveOn]

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This discussion will open up a can of worms, also, really. I could ramble on and on all day about this topic. In fact there isn't a day that doesn't go by where I get into conversations about this will colleagues and classmates, etc. and this will be tiring for me to post about here lol. However, I will say this... I have found that there are FAR more understanding people among the average population who are understanding of the unjust legislation surrounding AAS than I originally thought (this is after I thoroughly explained to them the workings regarding AAS and the truths behind its legislation in 1988 - 1990). But I am in Canada, and I think that the attitues and ignorange towards such a topic as this is perhaps FAR different the farther south we go into the USA.... the land of hysteria and sensationalism.

I find it hard to believe that you could ramble about something

[lovbyts]

Well I think it's only fair the Canada should legalize AAS use since parts of the US such as Washington state has made some herbs legal and it's already clear Canadians will be crossing the border more for tourist reasons due to the new laws.

[Honkey_Kong]

I honestly don't think AAS should be entirely legalized. It's bad enough that we have to see how many idiotic kids come on here crying about how their dicks don't work and that they grew tits. You make it legal and it'll get much worse. Even for an adult, how many of them would go get regular bloodwork done if gear all of a sudden became legal? Probably just a few of the vets will and not too many more would. How many people will instead of putting in hardwork and building a natural base will just think that they can shoot a few ML of test and be the next Hulk? I bet there would be a huge increase in muscle/tendon tears due to gym rookies shooting gear and hitting too heavy of weights for their bodies to handle.

What I think should be done is that gear should be legalized for cosmetic purposes under a doctor's supervision. That way, guys can get the medical checkups they should be getting and there would fewer instances of misuse.

[Java Man]

I honestly don't think AAS should be entirely legalized. It's bad enough that we have to see how many idiotic kids come on here crying about how their dicks don't work and that they grew tits. You make it legal and it'll get much worse. Even for an adult, how many of them would go get regular bloodwork done if gear all of a sudden became legal? Probably just a few of the vets will and not too many more would. How many people will instead of putting in hardwork and building a natural base will just think that they can shoot a few ML of test and be the next Hulk? I bet there would be a huge increase in muscle/tendon tears due to gym rookies shooting gear and hitting too heavy of weights for their bodies to handle.

What I think should be done is that gear should be legalized for cosmetic purposes under a doctor's supervision. That way, guys can get the medical checkups they should be getting and there would fewer instances of misuse.

Its already moving in this direction with recent interest in HRT for men and longevity research. Roids aren't illegal in the US - they are controlled. There's a big difference between illegal and controlled. As researchers and physicians become more educated about the positive aspects of AAS we're starting to see them prescribe AAS for that purpose.
steroids , whether anabolic /androgenic or catabolic, are very powerful and IMO should continue to be used only by those who know how to properly administer them in the context for which they are intended to be used according to every patients unique situation.

Should they be scheduled drugs? No. they are scheduled out of ignorance and as part of the political agenda of the 80's. It was popular to vilify AAS when they were added to schedule III with the hard drugs. AAS should be controlled by prescription like other non-scheduled prescription only drugs. Get them out of the controlled substances act though. They have no reason to be treated with the same penalties and controls as narcotics. That is unjustified and a relic of a time gone by.

[Java Man]

Imagine if you could pick up a pack of marlboro, a gallon of milk, and 5 redI-jects from the local mini-mart. That seems wrong on many levels. Legal as in OTC like aspirin? No. think about the above scenario and answer that poll again. if youre still saying yes I either misunderstand the word 'legal' in this context or you haven't done enough reading to responsibly answer the poll.

in my humble opinion that is

[Honkey_Kong]

Its already moving in this direction with recent interest in HRT for men and longevity research. Roids aren't illegal in the US - they are controlled. There's a big difference between illegal and controlled. As researchers and physicians become more educated about the positive aspects of AAS we're starting to see them prescribe AAS for that purpose.
steroids , whether anabolic /androgenic or catabolic, are very powerful and IMO should continue to be used only by those who know how to properly administer them in the context for which they are intended to be used according to every patients unique situation.

Should they be scheduled drugs? No. they are scheduled out of ignorance and as part of the political agenda of the 80's. It was popular to vilify AAS when they were added to schedule III with the hard drugs. AAS should be controlled by prescription like other non-scheduled prescription only drugs. Get them out of the controlled substances act though. They have no reason to be treated with the same penalties and controls as narcotics. That is unjustified and a relic of a time gone by.

Java, yes, use of AAS for medical purposes is legal (well some of them). When we say that they're illegal, we're not counting the medical purposes, we're referring to performance and cosmetic purposes. For those, it's illegal.

The main reason why steroids were scheduled in the first place wasn't because of the fear of a health danger caused by using them. They were scheduled because THEY WORK. So despite all the research scientists come up with highlighting the positive effects of gear, the fact they work will always give the media the ability to put their spin on them and thus create a negative public opinion on them. That's the obstacle.

I really don't want steroids to be in the hands of children and I think keeping them scheduled and illegal for recreational and performance uses is causing those who choose to use them to be less than safe in their using of them. Unless you got your stuff from a real pharmacy, you really don't know what you got and there is no assurance that what you have is safe to use.

In addition to that, we tell people they need to get bloodwork done, but how many people actually get that done? And what about people who have been working out for a short period of time and don't have any natural successes but want to get swole quick? They shouldn't have easy access to any gear unless they're at a point where they're physically ready.

Allowing doctors to prescribe AAS for recreational purposes will solve a lot of these problems. First, they won't be just giving them to kids. They also will be ensuring that healthy adults are in the good health for AAS and able to spot problems that can arise. They also could be the voice of reason to stop guys who have been lifting for a month but think they're ready for gear from messing themselves up.

Most importantly, they'd be eliminating the black market since there would be ways to legally obtain gear.

[boz]

I havent given much thought into it, but sure why not? Than again we are on a AAS forum kinda defeats the purpose of a vote on this topic =\?

While your at it throw a legislation pass to australia to.

[bdos]

I havent given much thought into it, but sure why not? Than again we are on a AAS forum kinda defeats the purpose of a vote on this topic =\?While your at it throw a legislation pass to australia to.

We already have free needle exchange programs why not give us what we put in them or is that to much like having your cake and eating it to

[tigerspawn]

Yes they should be legal but regulated.

I have been in nursing for 13 yrs. I have never treated anyone for a medical condition that was caused by their use of steroids . I have treated several thousand who had medical conditions that were caused by alcohol and tobacco. Even when I was learning about medical conditions steroids weren’t listed as one of the primary causes.

Tobacco products and alcohol are legal and allowed. Tobacco products in the United States kill 443,000 people yearly. Excessive use of alcohol causes 80,000 deaths each year in the United States. That’s not counting the deaths that are caused by the alcoholic killing someone else.

Most of the adverse health claims made by some organizations have absolutely no clinical evidence to back any of their claims. When made illegal in 1993, the American Medical Association, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the Food and Drug Administration ALL OPPOSED making steroids an illegal schedule 3 controlled substance.

FACT: Anabolic steroids did not even make the top 100 list of the harmful drug "classificiations". They were at 144 in the mid 1990's. So analyze that statement closely, not the 144 most dangerous drug , the most dangerous drug classification. Daily multivitamins, childrens vitamins and even aspirin were in the top 50.

FACT: to date. not 1 death has been directly caused by anabolic steroid abuse in the medical community.

FACT: Lyle Alzado DID NOT die of a steroid related death. The coroner made a very clear statement saying he seen no link between the anabolic steroid use and Mr. Alzado's brain tumor.

FACT: Marijuana, cigarettes, alcohol and even aspirin are far more toxic that anabolic steroids .

FACT: Anabolic steroids work, and they certainly serve a medical purpose.

[Times Roman]

decriminalize all of it! Let natural selection run it's course and stop immiediatly any goct funded aid to drug users!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, unless it's your dumbass 21 year old son that says "well, if it's legal, then it can't be all bad (like jack3d)"

naw.... this is a drug that has long term negative health consequences if not properly managed.

It needs to be controlled.

I do think things can be loosened up more than they are tthough.....

[losieloos]

legalizing it would be a bad idea, too many people would only screw them selves up.

[Metalject]

I've said for years if there was a group of people who could change a law that surrounds any type of regulation it would be steroid users and the steroid laws . We all know the majority views steroid users as dumb half-retarded meat heads, but most of us know that's simply an inaccurate stereotype. It's kind of like politics, when people (most people) here the term left or right they immediately think of the most insane person known to mankind associated with that label even if the majority are far from that insane label.

Unfortunately, steroid users are their own worst enemy. Here's a group of people that carry a far greater level of intelligence, ambition, and self-reliance than most people as is evident by studies. If you've never seen the 2007 study by Cohen, J.; Collins, R.; Darkes, J.; Gwartney, D take a look. Here are just a few interesting stats:

71.4% have post-secondary degrees

More have completed college and less have failed to complete high school than compared to the rest of the general population.

The overall employment rate is 98.5%, compared to 77.7% of males 20 and older from the total population.
The majority are white collar employees

The average household income is $60,000-$79,999 compared to the total population average being $44,684.

Not that these few stats are the end all be all to what makes a good man, but they go against common perception. Further, it's been found most steroid users in the U.S. (I don't know about outside the U.S.) do not have criminal records.

But again, most steroid users are the own worst enemy, some say it's out of fear, but in this case it's largely a normally unlazy portion of the population being just that, lazy. That and in part because of the ridicule, which does go back to fear, they would receive early on for their stance. But if we wanted it changed we could change it.

And I do not believe it would have to be over the top regulated. This would go against the basis of liberty, which the laws already do. It's not up to any government to legislate anything like this beyond a point of reason. Want to put an age limit on it? Fine but beyond that it should be a grown adult's decision. Would their be rampant abuse if this happened? Early on there might be, but if we know anything about regulation and deregulation, if we know our history then we know it always evens out, always.

[Java Man]

Java, yes, use of AAS for medical purposes is legal (well some of them). When we say that they're illegal, we're not counting the medical purposes, we're referring to performance and cosmetic purposes. For those, it's illegal.

The main reason why steroids were scheduled in the first place wasn't because of the fear of a health danger caused by using them. They were scheduled because THEY WORK. So despite all the research scientists come up with highlighting the positive effects of gear, the fact they work will always give the media the ability to put their spin on them and thus create a negative public opinion on them. That's the obstacle.

I really don't want steroids to be in the hands of children and I think keeping them scheduled and illegal for recreational and performance uses is causing those who choose to use them to be less than safe in their using of them. Unless you got your stuff from a real pharmacy, you really don't know what you got and there is no assurance that what you have is safe to use.

In addition to that, we tell people they need to get bloodwork done, but how many people actually get that done? And what about people who have been working out for a short period of time and don't have any natural successes but want to get swole quick? They shouldn't have easy access to any gear unless they're at a point where they're physically ready.

Allowing doctors to prescribe AAS for recreational purposes will solve a lot of these problems. First, they won't be just giving them to kids. They also will be ensuring that healthy adults are in the good health for AAS and able to spot problems that can arise. They also could be the voice of reason to stop guys who have been lifting for a month but think they're ready for gear from messing themselves up.

Most importantly, they'd be eliminating the black market since there would be ways to legally obtain gear.

Ah ok. Yes. I agree with that completely. Let doctors prescribe them for cosmetic purposes under close supervision and all that that entails. In all honesty though in my personal situation where I do get regular blood tests, control my BP and cholesterol with diet and other meds, and having a 20 year background of how my body respond to training, what foods and on what schedule works for me, etc. at this point I would have to educate the doctor. Its also alot less money for me to handle it safely, off the grid. So I would probably get on hrt and add my own to that. So there would always be some of that, but I think many responsible people would benefit from legalization for performance and/or cosmetic purposes under a doctors care. I voted no. I would vote for 'legal only by prescription under dr supervision' but that isn't one of the choices. Legalized is just way too broad in scope for me to agree or disagree without qualifying the term as used in this poll.

Interesting discussion.

[Rwy]

There is no recreational drug talk. please read the rules.

Take it easy Kim Jong lol

[Rwy]

I am against it. Too many people would **** themselves up. Most people are stupid.

[Metalject]

I am against it. Too many people would **** themselves up. Most people are stupid.

Good call, we should make all things that could be bad for someone if used irresponsibly illegal. I for one applaud those who tell me they are only looking out for my wellbeing because as we all know it's impossible for anyone to actually take responsibility for what they do or to even remotely make a good choice.

[m_donnelly]

Go read most of the threads in the AAS section and then talk about regulation..

I'm all about consumer responsibility but we have all read example upon example of people phucking up their endocrine system because they think AAS are supplements like creatine. How many times have the knowledgable members had to remind guys to get their hCG and PCT in a row?

You will see even stricter regulations eventually if you make AAS legal. A few ignorant chimps will wreck themselves, blame the "evil drugs" it will hit the media, and the legal penalties will get steeper.

In my opinion, AAS need to be descheduled and decriminalized but still regulated. People that get caught with them need to go through some sort education program on the "dangers of AAS" (educate them in how badly they can phuck themselves up). De-scheduling them would allow doctors to prescribe them for cosmetic purposes.

[Rwy]

Good call, we should make all things that could be bad for someone if used irresponsibly illegal. I for one applaud those who tell me they are only looking out for my wellbeing because as we all know it's impossible for anyone to actually take responsibility for what they do or to even remotely make a good choice.

No need for sarcasm. Listen I get what you are saying and I used to think the same way. I deal with the people everyday and it amazes me how pathetic and stupid most people are. The choices they make effect my life. Unfortunately people never take responsibility and they always look to point the finger. A lot of people in this country abuse their freedoms and it effects all of us.


Most of us have no problems getting it so I dont know what the huge issue is. Would you rather 16 year old kids getting juiced up and hurting themselves?

[Metalject]

I simply feel every man is responsible for his own actions and should be free to live as he sees fit so as long as it harms no one else. I believe it's not up to any man or group of men to decide what's responsible for others on the basis that they believe they know what's best for man as such thinking is nothing more than a giant middle finger to freedom and liberty. As for kids, that's a different argument, I'm talking about adults.

When it comes to steroids and just about any topic you could surround with the issue of personal responsibility, I've always believed Jefferson said it best, if it neither breaks my legs or picks my pocket what business is it of mine?

[Rwy]

I simply feel every man is responsible for his own actions and should be free to live as he sees fit so as long as it harms no one else. I believe it's not up to any man or group of men to decide what's responsible for others on the basis that they believe they know what's best for man as such thinking is nothing more than a giant middle finger to freedom and liberty. As for kids, that's a different argument, I'm talking about adults.

When it comes to steroids and just about any topic you could surround with the issue of personal responsibility, I've always believed Jefferson said it best, if it neither breaks my legs or picks my pocket what business is it of mine?

But peoples irresponsibility of their freedoms constantly do effect others. Obesity higher insurance for everyone else. Talking on cell phone or texting when driving and getting into accident causing everyones insurance to go up. Lets not even get into how bad all of these parents are nowadays. I am not saying curb it with government control by any means but the point is people for the most part are pathetic and cannot do anyting

[Lunk1]

Take a look at other Countries who have decriminalized drugs...it works! The $ spent on drug control is the equivelent of a puppy chasing it's tail.

I keep saying...legalize it all and then regulate and profit. Stop all aid to those who choose to use!

[Tron3219]

Take a look at other Countries who have decriminalized drugs...it works! The $ spent on drug control is the equivelent of a puppy chasing it's tail.

I keep saying...legalize it all and then regulate and profit. Stop all aid to those who choose to use!

Yup! Especially marijuana. I think alcohol is worse then marijuana. Legalize it, regulate it and tax the hell out if it! National deficit...GONE! Lol

-Chomp Chomp Chomp-Clink Clink Clink-

[EKFitness]

There is no recreational drug talk. please read the rules.

lol the whole forum is about steroids you load.

[Euroholic]

lol the whole forum is about steroids you load.

Dont disrespect a mod you pedophile

[Metalject]

But peoples irresponsibility of their freedoms constantly do effect others. Obesity higher insurance for everyone else. Talking on cell phone or texting when driving and getting into accident causing everyones insurance to go up. Lets not even get into how bad all of these parents are nowadays. I am not saying curb it with government control by any means but the point is people for the most part are pathetic and cannot do anyting

I guess I don't understand your point. You're against legalizing them but you're also against government control over them.

As for the rest of what you said, I understand our actions can affect others such as the insurance example you used but that kind of thing really goes back full circle to regulation. It's government regulation that causes the messes with insurance. Often we look at specific items or events rather than the full picture and when it comes to insurance type things that's exactly what we do. Anyway, if the insurance argument is valid, then NYC attempted soda ban would be just, which in my opinion no one who holds to the idea of liberty can deem just.